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Sarah "Look at me!" attends State Fair
Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: On Friday afternoon, the day after a nationally-televised Republican presidential debate, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty went largely unnoticed as he strolled around the Iowa state fairgrounds with a couple of aides. It was an entirely different scene just minutes later, when Sarah Palin - former Alaska governor, worldwide celebrity and potential White House hopeful - appeared in the “Hall of Champions” livestock barn on a different side of the park. Palin had been expected to attend the state fair, which is ground zero for presidential politics ahead of the Ames Straw Poll on Saturday, but her aides remained tight-lipped all week and revealed nothing about her whereabouts. Her Iowa visit marked the opening of the Midwestern leg of her “One Nation” bus tour, which launched this spring with a tour of historical sites along the East Coast. When she did show up at the fair, dressed in a white t-shirt and a pair of black jeans from her favorite Alaska designer, Palin was immediately swarmed by dozens of reporters and television cameras as news of her sudden appearance ricocheted around the fairground. The press pack tiptoed around prize-winning cattle and errant pitchforks while thrusting microphones toward her face and bombarding her with questions about her national ambitions, the emergence of Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Thursday’s GOP debate. She welcomed Perry, a friend and political ally, to the presidential field but said she still sees “room in the field” and said it would not impact her decision-making process about the race. “He is a great guy, I look forward to seeing him in the debates,” she said. “He was adamant that he wasn’t gone to run, so it’s surprising. I am surprised that he changed his position on that. But I am glad that he is going to be in there.” Palin was escorted through the fairgrounds by a team of advance staffers and an Iowa GOP operative, Becky Beach, who has assisted Palin during past visits to the Hawkeye State. She had more staff on hand Friday than she did during the first leg of her bus tour. Her husband Todd, who expressed enthusiasm about a potential campaign, was also at her side. He seemed to be enjoying the spotlight. “After she resigned they said that she was washed up and done right?,” he said with a grin. “And you guys are still here.” As for her own thinking about the race, both she and Todd said there is plenty of time to make a decision. Palin said she would not be a candidate by the time she returns to the state over Labor Day weekend, when she is slated to address a tea party rally in Waukee. “There is a still a lot of contemplation that needs to go into such an Earth shattering, life-changing decision,” Palin said. She engaged with the media for more than an hour, all while signing autographs and posing for pictures with star struck fair-goers. Palin had nothing but kind words for the candidates who could become her rivals for the GOP nomination. She praised former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s combative performance in Thursday’s debate, said she would happily support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney if he becomes the nominee and dismissed any idea of a rivalry between herself and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann. “Just because there may happen to be two women in the race, that they would, you know, as Michele had put it once, get in the mud and be cat-fighting,” she said. “It’s ridiculous. It’s kind of even a sexist notion to consider that two women would be kind of be duking it out. If I’m going to duke it out, I’m going to duke it out with a guy or a girl, whoever the opponent is.” Palin also defended Romney after the GOP frontrunner told an Iowa crowd a day earlier that “corporations are people.” He was accusing President Barack Obama of creating a greater tax burden on businesses. "The people pay the taxes. It’s not an entity, the corporation itself, that pays the taxes. It’s the people who pay the taxes. So Mitt Romney was right,” Palin said. After her lengthy walk and talk with the press and supporters, she walked into a private, roped-off function to meet with local Republican activists and munch on corn dogs. Palin's bus tour is expected to take her into Illinois and Missouri in the coming days. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/palin-swarmed-at-iowa-state-fair/?hpt=hp_bn4
Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:39 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:35 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, August 13, 2011 3:25 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:15 PM
Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:39 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Ol' Crazy-Eyes looks a bit cock-eyed in this pic:
Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:43 PM
Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:11 PM
Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:14 PM
Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Against the GOP that is all we will need.
Saturday, August 13, 2011 7:01 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:18 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:51 PM
Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I mean, I haven't heard any Democratic congressperson call Herman Cain a "tar baby" yet. Have you?
Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I mean, I haven't heard any Democratic congressperson call Herman Cain a "tar baby" yet. Have you? Nope, they're just caling their opposition "Terrorists".
Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: In fairness, though, they actually were acting like terrorists.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:14 AM
Quote:A historical review of the filibuster's use is helpful in at least one regard: it shows just how abused the procedural tactic has recently become. Many, such as myself, have argued that the filibuster can serve a valuable purpose. That said, the evidence suggests the filibuster is being used with a profligacy never before seen at a time when the Senate's action on key legislation is perhaps needed the most. ..... There isn't a perfect correlation between the use of the filibuster and the number of motions filed for cloture. Often, a majority leader may be aware that he does not have sufficient votes to invoke cloture, and a motion may never be filed. Other times, a majority leader may suspect a minority party Senator will filibuster a bill, motion or amendment and preemptively make a motion for cloture. ..... On average, Congresses with a Republican minority (i.e., the filibustering party) have seen an average increase of 25.2 cloture motions filed by the Democratic majority over the number of cloture motions filed by the immediately preceding majority party. Congresses with a Democratic minority (i.e., the filibustering party) have seen an average decrease of 2.6 cloture motions filed by the Republican majority over the number of cloture motions filed by the immediately preceding majority party. If we assume the 111th Congress will not file another cloture motion in 2010 (which would be inconceivable), those Congresses with a Republican minority (i.e., the filibustering minority) would still see an average increase of 10 cloture motions filed by the Democratic majority over the number of cloture motions filed by the immediately preceding majority party. This suggests the Republican party has tended to increase the use of the filibuster over prior minority party uses while the Democratic party has tended to decrease its use over prior minority party uses (at least since 1991). http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/02/18/838260/-Political-party-(ab)use-of-the-filibuster-in-the-US-Senate
Sunday, August 14, 2011 5:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: In fairness, though, they actually were acting like terrorists. By holding up legislation they oppose? Oh, the horror. Never go into politics, Mike. It'd be too rough for you.
Quote: They didn't do anything that both parties haven't done when they were in a position to block legislation or change it to something they could accept, as happened with the debt ceiling.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done. Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:15 AM
Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:42 AM
Quote:ETA: I expect that before its over the Democrats will end up with stuff on the level or 'Birthers' and PN's articles about Bohemian Grove.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: " We " , being the Workers World Party, of course.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: " We " , being the Workers World Party, of course. If they are on board, sure! I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And I'd be interested in cites of me claiming they did.
Quote:And I'd like reputable, verifiable cites of Democratic members of Congress doing so to Republicans. There are hints and allegations, but no verifiable proof, no solid evidence of it. As Rappy insists, without video or audio, there's no evidence that it ever happened.
Quote:Meanwhile, Representatives like Michele Bachmann have indeed called several Democrats, including the President of the United States, "anti-American" on more than one occasion.
Quote:In fact, you enjoy throwing around insults and accusations yourself, don't you? You've been known to do so on more than a few occasions.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a time there, weren't the "birthers" the majority of the Republican party?
Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And I'd be interested in cites of me claiming they did. No. you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.
Quote: Quote:And I'd like reputable, verifiable cites of Democratic members of Congress doing so to Republicans. There are hints and allegations, but no verifiable proof, no solid evidence of it. As Rappy insists, without video or audio, there's no evidence that it ever happened. Sort'a like the stuff you and Niki post from Huffington and other liberal feel-good sites?
Quote: I'd tend to believe sources like Politico.
Quote: Quote:Meanwhile, Representatives like Michele Bachmann have indeed called several Democrats, including the President of the United States, "anti-American" on more than one occasion. But that wasn't the issue, was it?
Quote: Quote:In fact, you enjoy throwing around insults and accusations yourself, don't you? You've been known to do so on more than a few occasions. Admittedly, sometimes I do toss the feces you fling back at you. Guess I'm flawed that way.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a time there, weren't the "birthers" the majority of the Republican party? Could be, but that wouldn't make the Democrats any less pathetic if they sink to that level. Your recent favorite picture of Ms. Bachman, for examole, is right up there with the Obama Waffles of 2008. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:07 PM
Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I've noticed an interesting pattern - in Rap, Wulfie, Geezer and a few others - they come and make all sorts of claims, yet when challenged with facts or to back up their claims, they disappear - only to reappear later in another thread with the same spew. Liberals OTOH seem happy to discuss facts all day long. I think this goes beyond 'How Facts Backfire' and political partisanship to a basic relationship with the world. I'm not sure what it means, but it seems extremely consistent. I've also noticed that the people with the most tenuous relationship with facts are the ones most likely to call themselves 'realists'.
Quote:Jackals: "Finally, we have a strong leader ready to put those malcontents in their places! Where do I sign up?" Jackals are like Lemmings and Snakes: they eagerly collaborate with the villain because they think his campaign of terror and genocide are just causes. Whether it's out of hate, fanaticism, or ignorance, they prefer the villain's despotism to a more benevolent regime. Usually, they're harmless once the villain is dethroned: their prejudice comes out only when the bad guys are in power.
Monday, August 15, 2011 1:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Here's the really weird thing - the teabaggers here don't support Ron Paul. Iowans do, but not the teabaggers here. They'd rather support Bachmann, or Palin, or ... anybody else. 1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%) 2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)
Monday, August 15, 2011 3:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Hey, you tea-bagging fuckwits on the right seem to lap that shit right up. Y'all are sucking up to the tea parties like Ms. Bachmann going for a corndog.
Monday, August 15, 2011 4:37 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki:
Monday, August 15, 2011 7:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Gettin' mad yet, Mike?
Monday, August 15, 2011 12:37 PM
Quote:throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do
Quote:McColl also criticized the White House's anti-drug advertising campaign, which was broadcast first during the Super Bowl. The campaign's message is that money used to buy drugs may benefit terrorists. ``He's barely gotten going, and he's already blaming America's teen-agers for terrorism,'' he said. ``He's barely gotten going, and he's already blaming America's teen-agers for terrorism,'' he said.
Quote: President Bush ratcheted up his campaign offensive against Democrats on Tuesday with perhaps his bluntest rhetoric yet as he accused them of being "softer" on terrorists and willing to allow attacks on Americans rather than interrogate or spy on the nation's enemies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301391.html along the line of "terrorist sympathizers", if you will. No date on this one:Quote: President George W. Bush wasted no time in reacting to pop star George Michael's arrest on drug charges this weekend. Mr. Bush called Mr. Michael a terrorist for "aiding and abetting groups like al Queda by purchasing and consuming illegal drugs." http://www.pugbus.net/artman/publish/printer_02272006_georgemichael.shtml] 2004:Quote: Members of the Hillsborough County Republican Party on Wednesday denounced a labor union protest that erupted in their Tampa office the day before and labeled protesters' tactics as "brownshirt" and "terrorist." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/07/Hillsborough/Republicans_criticize.shtml 2004: Quote: Education Secretary Rod Paige called the nation's largest teachers union a "terrorist organization" during a private White House meeting with governors on Monday. "These were the words, 'The NEA is a terrorist organization,'" said Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle of Wisconsin http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-08.htm 2008:Quote: Senator Gordon Smith, Republican from Oregon, joins Senators Olympia Snowe, Norm Coleman and Susan Collins, in distancing themselves from the automated calls being used by the McCain-Palin campaign, meant to link Senator Obama to the activities of Professor William Ayers and the Weather Underground. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/four-gop-senators-disavow-ayers-terrorist-robocalls 2008:Quote: The Pennsylvania Republican Party has released a press release criticizing Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) ties to former 1970s radical Bill Ayers and calling the Democrat a "terrorist's best friend." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2099675/posts 2008:Quote: Prosecutors in Ramsey County, Minn., have formally charged eight alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee -- one of the groups organizing protests at the GOP convention in St. Paul -- with terrorism-related charges, The Times' P.J. Huffstutter reports. Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge, which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty they could face. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protesters.html 2009:Quote: A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists." A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists."2010:Quote: Appearing on MSNBC's Meet the Press Sunday, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "high-tech terrorist" and should be prosecuted http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/06/gop-leader-mitch-mcconnell-calls-wikileaks-founder-a-hightech-terrorist/ 2010:Quote: A Republican Senator in South Carolina is making headlines after he was quoted making a racial slur about The President, calling him and a candidate for governor a “Raghead.”2011:Quote: Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill compared lawmakers trying to block raising the debt ceiling to "al Qaeda terrorists." "The people who are threatening not to pass the debt ceiling are our version of al Qaeda terrorists. Really," O’Neill, Treasury secretary in the Republican administration of George W. Bush, said Wednesday in an interview with Bloomberg Television's InBusiness with Margaret Brennan. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/157999-former-bush-official-gop-like-al-qaeda-on-debt-ceiling If we wanted to get real, we'd recognize it's a visceral term many who want to rile people up use conveniently. If we got less riled up, we'd have better perspective and be able to discuss ACTUAL issues. Name calling is nothing new. How about this one, while we're at it, here's a cutie from a Republican Senator:Quote:“We've already got a raghead in the White House, we don't need another raghead in the governor's mansion.” http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/04/republican-senator-calls-president-obama-a-%e2%80%9craghead%e2%80%9d/ Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Quote: President George W. Bush wasted no time in reacting to pop star George Michael's arrest on drug charges this weekend. Mr. Bush called Mr. Michael a terrorist for "aiding and abetting groups like al Queda by purchasing and consuming illegal drugs." http://www.pugbus.net/artman/publish/printer_02272006_georgemichael.shtml] 2004:Quote: Members of the Hillsborough County Republican Party on Wednesday denounced a labor union protest that erupted in their Tampa office the day before and labeled protesters' tactics as "brownshirt" and "terrorist." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/07/Hillsborough/Republicans_criticize.shtml 2004: Quote: Education Secretary Rod Paige called the nation's largest teachers union a "terrorist organization" during a private White House meeting with governors on Monday. "These were the words, 'The NEA is a terrorist organization,'" said Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle of Wisconsin http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-08.htm 2008:Quote: Senator Gordon Smith, Republican from Oregon, joins Senators Olympia Snowe, Norm Coleman and Susan Collins, in distancing themselves from the automated calls being used by the McCain-Palin campaign, meant to link Senator Obama to the activities of Professor William Ayers and the Weather Underground. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/four-gop-senators-disavow-ayers-terrorist-robocalls 2008:Quote: The Pennsylvania Republican Party has released a press release criticizing Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) ties to former 1970s radical Bill Ayers and calling the Democrat a "terrorist's best friend." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2099675/posts 2008:Quote: Prosecutors in Ramsey County, Minn., have formally charged eight alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee -- one of the groups organizing protests at the GOP convention in St. Paul -- with terrorism-related charges, The Times' P.J. Huffstutter reports. Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge, which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty they could face. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protesters.html 2009:Quote: A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists." A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists."2010:Quote: Appearing on MSNBC's Meet the Press Sunday, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "high-tech terrorist" and should be prosecuted http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/06/gop-leader-mitch-mcconnell-calls-wikileaks-founder-a-hightech-terrorist/ 2010:Quote: A Republican Senator in South Carolina is making headlines after he was quoted making a racial slur about The President, calling him and a candidate for governor a “Raghead.”2011:Quote: Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill compared lawmakers trying to block raising the debt ceiling to "al Qaeda terrorists." "The people who are threatening not to pass the debt ceiling are our version of al Qaeda terrorists. Really," O’Neill, Treasury secretary in the Republican administration of George W. Bush, said Wednesday in an interview with Bloomberg Television's InBusiness with Margaret Brennan. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/157999-former-bush-official-gop-like-al-qaeda-on-debt-ceiling If we wanted to get real, we'd recognize it's a visceral term many who want to rile people up use conveniently. If we got less riled up, we'd have better perspective and be able to discuss ACTUAL issues. Name calling is nothing new. How about this one, while we're at it, here's a cutie from a Republican Senator:Quote:“We've already got a raghead in the White House, we don't need another raghead in the governor's mansion.” http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/04/republican-senator-calls-president-obama-a-%e2%80%9craghead%e2%80%9d/
Quote: Members of the Hillsborough County Republican Party on Wednesday denounced a labor union protest that erupted in their Tampa office the day before and labeled protesters' tactics as "brownshirt" and "terrorist." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/07/Hillsborough/Republicans_criticize.shtml
Quote: Education Secretary Rod Paige called the nation's largest teachers union a "terrorist organization" during a private White House meeting with governors on Monday. "These were the words, 'The NEA is a terrorist organization,'" said Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle of Wisconsin http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-08.htm
Quote: Senator Gordon Smith, Republican from Oregon, joins Senators Olympia Snowe, Norm Coleman and Susan Collins, in distancing themselves from the automated calls being used by the McCain-Palin campaign, meant to link Senator Obama to the activities of Professor William Ayers and the Weather Underground. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/four-gop-senators-disavow-ayers-terrorist-robocalls
Quote: The Pennsylvania Republican Party has released a press release criticizing Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) ties to former 1970s radical Bill Ayers and calling the Democrat a "terrorist's best friend." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2099675/posts
Quote: Prosecutors in Ramsey County, Minn., have formally charged eight alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee -- one of the groups organizing protests at the GOP convention in St. Paul -- with terrorism-related charges, The Times' P.J. Huffstutter reports. Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge, which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty they could face. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protesters.html
Quote: A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists." A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists."
Quote: Appearing on MSNBC's Meet the Press Sunday, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "high-tech terrorist" and should be prosecuted http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/06/gop-leader-mitch-mcconnell-calls-wikileaks-founder-a-hightech-terrorist/
Quote: A Republican Senator in South Carolina is making headlines after he was quoted making a racial slur about The President, calling him and a candidate for governor a “Raghead.”
Quote: Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill compared lawmakers trying to block raising the debt ceiling to "al Qaeda terrorists." "The people who are threatening not to pass the debt ceiling are our version of al Qaeda terrorists. Really," O’Neill, Treasury secretary in the Republican administration of George W. Bush, said Wednesday in an interview with Bloomberg Television's InBusiness with Margaret Brennan. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/157999-former-bush-official-gop-like-al-qaeda-on-debt-ceiling
Quote:“We've already got a raghead in the White House, we don't need another raghead in the governor's mansion.” http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/04/republican-senator-calls-president-obama-a-%e2%80%9craghead%e2%80%9d/
Monday, August 15, 2011 12:40 PM
Quote:I've noticed an interesting pattern - in Rap, Wulfie, Geezer and a few others - they come and make all sorts of claims, yet when challenged with facts or to back up their claims, they disappear - only to reappear later in another thread with the same spew. Liberals OTOH seem happy to discuss facts all day long. I think this goes beyond 'How Facts Backfire' and political partisanship to a basic relationship with the world.
Monday, August 15, 2011 1:35 PM
Quote: Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done
Quote: Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'.
Quote: you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.
Monday, August 15, 2011 4:55 PM
Quote:"We need to stabilize the situation but I hope what it does for kids that aren't involved in this sort of thing is that they apply peer pressure to those that are," said Ramsey. "The reason they're impacted is because of the few that are out there causing problems."
Quote:Many residents agree with the city's actions however, saying a drastic move was necessary to calm fears and stop the violence.
Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Jehosiphat, Geezer! Mike saidQuote: Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have doneTo which you respondedQuote: Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'.Then went on to claimQuote: you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.He DIDN'T, and you twisting it around doesn't make it so. Talk about twisting things, that's absurd!
Monday, August 15, 2011 5:26 PM
Monday, August 15, 2011 5:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Speakin of teens-as-terrorists... http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/50-Kids-Rounded-Up-in-Curfew-Crackdown-.html Yeah, cause no one over eighteen ever rioted and no one under eighteen ever worked nights, riiight ? Stupid fuckers, collective punishment is always, ALWAYS, an act of tyranny. They even admit this, that it's being enforced against the innocent as a weapon. Quote:"We need to stabilize the situation but I hope what it does for kids that aren't involved in this sort of thing is that they apply peer pressure to those that are," said Ramsey. "The reason they're impacted is because of the few that are out there causing problems." And of course, THIS, which makes me wanna puke. Quote:Many residents agree with the city's actions however, saying a drastic move was necessary to calm fears and stop the violence. Just like damn fools supported Zero-Tolerance against kids, and when it came around to THEM at the airport, scream a hissy, to which I have Zero-Sympathy, cause if you let em do it to their less-than-human "test market", and get away with it, they WILL wind up doing it to YOU. This particular issue holds a special bit of hatred from me, as ever since I bagged up a GED at sixteen I hadda dodge the fuckin truant cops to get to my day job, and the curfew cops to get to my night shift, and how bullshit is that ? -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Monday, August 15, 2011 5:33 PM
STORYMARK
Monday, August 15, 2011 5:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Oh, gosh, Kiki, you're just noticing that NOW?" Well, ahhh ... it was pretty obvious with Rappy and Wulfie, but what I just realized is how GENERAL it is. Every single one of them I can think of routinely bails in the face of facts. It's a very strange and consistent mental tic. So I've been thinking about it and I think it traces to deeply rooted beliefs that don't square with reality - flawed beliefs that, despite their obvious falseness, can never be given up. Now, people come to their beliefs in different ways. I suspect that Geezer and Jong just grew up with them.* Wulfie needs his beliefs to satisfy his emotional trauma. Rappy likes his beliefs b/c they justify what he wants to do anyway, which is to be the greediest, most selfish person he can possibly be. Why that clinging to belief in the face of reality should happen to sort itself into a group of conservatives where the beliefs are unrelated but seem to travel together is something to think about. *BTW - a recent study has shown that if you want to lie to a kid don't pretend something, just tell them the story - there is an invisible old white man with a white beard who lives up in the sky and watches everything you do - they'll believe the words. This is consistent with the 'covered box' experiment SignyM posted in the past - children will hew to the procedure you've told them even after the box has been uncovered and they can see that certain knobs and levers are unattached and don't work - but they will continue to use them. B/c that is what you told them. Obviously they will not believe their own lying eyes.
Monday, August 15, 2011 7:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Had a bit of a row with my wife about this on Sunday when we were hearing about it. She took the point of "Well, if that's what it takes to get things under control", and I took the decidedly less artful and ill-advised tack of "Are you out of your fucking mind?! *I* was out after midnight at 16, because I had a fucking JOB to work! You're just punishing people who are working their asses off to try to make their way in life, and all for the actions of a few assholes and the INACTIONS of an entire police force that is clearly unable to do the fucking job their being paid for!" Sorry, but that news item raised my hackles. And when she was actually on speaking terms with me again, she agreed I might have a point. A point which was rendered all but moot by my ham-handed assholishness in making it in the first place, unfortunately...
Monday, August 15, 2011 7:52 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Had a bit of a row with my wife about this on Sunday when we were hearing about it. She took the point of "Well, if that's what it takes to get things under control", and I took the decidedly less artful and ill-advised tack of "Are you out of your fucking mind?! *I* was out after midnight at 16, because I had a fucking JOB to work! You're just punishing people who are working their asses off to try to make their way in life, and all for the actions of a few assholes and the INACTIONS of an entire police force that is clearly unable to do the fucking job their being paid for!" Sorry, but that news item raised my hackles. And when she was actually on speaking terms with me again, she agreed I might have a point. A point which was rendered all but moot by my ham-handed assholishness in making it in the first place, unfortunately... Forgive me for laughing (cause I did, you know I did!) but I've been in that particular doghouse so often I oughta pay rent - part of why the law-n-order conservative ex is an "ex", cause while she acknowledes I usually got a damn good point, my refusal to soft-shoe about any of it got on her nerves something awful, unless, of course it was over an injustice done to HER.. pffth, we're all human, right ? Been there, done that, got a coupla t-shirts. We'll make an Anarchist of ya yet, Mikey. -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:08 AM
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:50 AM
Quote:So I've been thinking about it and I think it traces to deeply rooted beliefs that don't square with reality - flawed beliefs that, despite their obvious falseness, can never be given up.
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:32 PM
Quote:Plus while for legal reasons I cannot say so openly, everybody here damn well knows if you wanna have a brewski or smoke a phattie, long as you ain't making a ruckus or bothering nobody, I don't give a shit - just try to be relatively discrete, and bag up the bottle so I can say I didn't see nothin and not have to lie about it.
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:04 PM
OPPYH
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Heheheh... I just "busted" a couple of the guys down the way from my work today smoking one out back. I was walking the dogs, and just ran into 'em down by the creek bed toking away. They looked a little panicked until I told 'em I didn't care and to carry on - I might not smoke myself, but I don't care if anyone else does, and one of the guys owns his own business there and does a damned good job, so what do I care if he smokes a bit? He's got some hard and fast rules about what his employees CAN'T do on his property, which is why they were well away from the building in the first place, and because I just talked to them like they were normal human beings (because they are, of course) while they smoked out and passed it around, my reputation with them is... how you say?... "Solid" [/Niska voice]
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