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How Perry would change the Constitution
Friday, August 19, 2011 5:14 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Friday, August 19, 2011 7:36 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, August 19, 2011 8:19 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Friday, August 19, 2011 11:33 PM
DREAMTROVE
Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:02 AM
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Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:47 AM
Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:21 AM
Quote:Rick Perry has many ideas about how to change the American government's founding document. From ending lifetime tenure for federal judges to completely scrapping two whole amendments, the Constitution would see a major overhaul if the Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate had his druthers. Perry laid out these proposed innovations to the founding document in his book, Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America from Washington. He has occasionally mentioned them on the campaign trail. Several of his ideas fall within the realm of mainstream conservative thinking today, but, as you will see, there are also a few surprises. 1. Abolish lifetime tenure for federal judges by amending Article III, Section I of the Constitution. The nation's framers established a federal court system whereby judges with "good behavior" would be secure in their job for life. Perry believes that provision is ready for an overhaul. "The Judges," reads Article III, "both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office." Perry makes it no secret that he believes the judges on the bench over the past century have acted beyond their constitutional bounds. The problem, Perry reasons, is that members of the judiciary are "unaccountable" to the people, and their lifetime tenure gives them free license to act however they want. In his book, the governor speaks highly of plans to limit their tenure and offers proposals about how to accomplish it. "'[W]e should take steps to restrict the unlimited power of the courts to rule over us with no accountability," he writes in Fed Up! "There are a number of ideas about how to do this . . . . One such reform would be to institute term limits on what are now lifetime appointments for federal judges, particularly those on the Supreme Court or the circuit courts, which have so much power. One proposal, for example, would have judges roll off every two years based on seniority."
Quote: 2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote. Ending lifetime tenure for federal justices isn't the only way Perry has proposed suppressing the power of the courts. His book excoriates at length what he sees as overreach from the judicial branch. (The title of Chapter Six is "Nine Unelected Judges Tell Us How to Live.") Giving Congress the ability to veto their decisions would be another way to take the Court down a notch, Perry says. "[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy," he writes.
Quote: 3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment. The Sixteenth Amendment gives Congress the "power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." It should be abolished immediately, Perry says. Calling the Sixteenth Amendment "the great milestone on the road to serfdom," Perry's writes that it provides a virtually blank check to the federal government to use for projects with little or no consultation from the states.
Quote: 4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment. Overturning this amendment would restore the original language of the Constitution, which gave state legislators the power to appoint the members of the Senate. Ratified during the Progressive Era in 1913 , the same year as the Sixteenth Amendment, the Seventeenth Amendment gives citizens the ability to elect senators on their own. Perry writes that supporters of the amendment at the time were "mistakenly" propelled by "a fit of populist rage." "The American people mistakenly empowered the federal government during a fit of populist rage in the early twentieth century by giving it an unlimited source of income (the Sixteenth Amendment) and by changing the way senators are elected (the Seventeenth Amendment)," he writes.
Quote: 5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year. Of all his proposed ideas, Perry calls this one "the most important," and of all the plans, a balanced budget amendment likely has the best chance of passage. "The most important thing we could do is amend the Constitution--now--to restrict federal spending," Perry writes in his book. "There are generally thought to be two options: the traditional 'balanced budget amendment' or a straightforward 'spending limit amendment,' either of which would be a significant improvement. I prefer the latter . . . . Let's use the people's document--the Constitution--to put an actual spending limit in place to control the beast in Washington." A campaign to pass a balanced budget amendment through Congress fell short by just one vote in the Senate in the 1990s. Last year, House Republicans proposed a spending-limit amendment that would limit federal spending to 20 percent of the economy. According to the amendment's language, the restriction could be overridden by a two-thirds vote in both Houses of Congress or by a declaration of war.
Quote: 6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states. Despite saying last month that he was "fine with" states like New York allowing gay marriage, Perry has now said he supports a constitutional amendment that would permanently ban gay marriage throughout the country and overturn any state laws that define marriage beyond a relationship between one man and one woman. "I do respect a state's right to have a different opinion and take a different tack if you will, California did that," Perry told the Christian Broadcasting Network in August. "I respect that right, but our founding fathers also said, 'Listen, if you all in the future think things are so important that you need to change the Constitution here's the way you do it'. In an interview with The Ticket earlier this month, Perry spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said that even though it would overturn laws in several states, the amendment still fits into Perry's broader philosophy because amendments require the ratification of three-fourths of the states to be added to the Constitution. 7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country. Like the gay marriage issue, Perry at one time believed that abortion policy should be left to the states, as was the case before the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. But in the same Christian Broadcasting Network interview, Perry said that he would support a federal amendment outlawing abortion because it was "so important...to the soul of this country and to the traditional values [of] our founding fathers."
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:12 AM
DMAANLILEILTT
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:33 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.
Quote: End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment
Quote: The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.
Quote: Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.
Quote: Perry at one time believed that abortion policy should be left to the states.... But in the same Christian Broadcasting Network interview, Perry said that he would support a federal amendment outlawing abortion because it was "so important...to the soul of this country and to the traditional values [of] our founding fathers."
Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:46 AM
Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:59 AM
Quote:Quote: Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote. If this were so, it would destroy the concept of checks and balances, in my opinion
Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:14 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by dmaanlileiltt: I hate to admit it but Perry's right one thing: people should not be judges for life. Just make the retirement age 75 or something like that.
Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:11 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Overturning Supreme Court decisions should be done by Constitutional Amendment. Checks and Balances works pretty good to keep things moving slow, which I like. ... Doing away with Income Tax, while it might seem like a good idea, is just cutting the country's throat.
Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:44 PM
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Either make them elected officials or abolish the court.
Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Either make them elected officials or abolish the court. Making them elected officials would just means they would be more apt to make decisions based on getting re-elected and not on law. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Either make them elected officials or abolish the court. Making them elected officials would just means they would be more apt to make decisions based on getting re-elected and not on law. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man. The Supreme Court Justices of most of the 50 states are elected officials. That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
Monday, August 22, 2011 8:14 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:40 AM
Quote: If the supreme court makes a decision which is just, or even one which is controversial, then it won't be shot down by 2/3 of the electorate. But if it makes one that is universally unpopular, why should it be protected?
Quote:Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote
Quote: Overturning Supreme Court decisions should be done by Constitutional Amendment
Quote: If there was a way to seperate the appointment of judges from the political process
Quote: The Supreme Court Justices of most of the 50 states are elected officials.
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:06 AM
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:50 AM
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Mike, Hmm. The current anointed theocracy method of the federal supreme court is a disaster though.
Quote: Riona, No complaints? Um, I'm not sure which supreme court you were watching, but I watched one that appointed Bush president twice, and that okay'ed torture, indefinite detention and corporate seizure of private property. As for the senate, it needs some sort of reform. The house is supposed to represent the people (1 for every 30,000, but now we're at 1 per half a million or so.) but the senate is supposed to represent the states. In reality, it almost never does. We had a senator recently who never lived here: Hillary Clinton. She never sided with the state and always sided with friends, usually with her party, but generally with globalists. Democracy has been corrupted by partisanship, and the states don't really get represented in government, the national parties do.
Quote: That aside, Perry is a dick. But he brings up some interesting things that he himself probably hasn't thought about, he probably borrowed them from some tea party person when he decided to reinvent himself as tea party.
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:22 PM
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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:57 PM
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:21 PM
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: He is imploding rather rapidly, it seems. Down here, we're getting more reminders every single day of how big a disaster he's been for Texas, and how much bigger a disaster he wants to be for America. His porn links, his fund-raising high-jinks, the Gardasil debacle, his public gaffes and misstatements, his alleged marital improprieties... he's looking more and more like a flash in the pan.
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:55 AM
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