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Forget Irene: The drought in Texas is the catastrophe that could REALLY hurt!

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not as photogenic, certainly, but even more awful in its way.
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As Hurricane Irene swept up the East Coast of the U.S., there was a surge of envy rising deep in the heart of Texas. No one wished ill on a neighbor on the Eastern seaboard, of course, but for some Texans, watching intrepid, slicker-clad reporters standing in water up to their knees was like watching a moon landing. Temperatures in Austin were soaring to 112°F and the drought-stricken Lone Star State was dry as a bone.

There was nary a cloud in the sky Sunday afternoon as Austin marked the all-time highest temperature on record since Texans began making note of such things over 150 years ago. By late afternoon, the sinking sun was a huge searing orange disk in a cloudless sky, seeming to draw burnt orange haze out of the earth on the horizon. Orange was also the color of the ozone forecast, a warning to anyone engaged in outdoor activities, particularly children and individuals with breathing problems, to avoid lengthy, strenuous outdoor activities.

Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana and New Mexico have been caught in a heat wave that feeds on the drought, according to Texas State Climatologist John Nielsen-Gammon. As sunlight hits the ground, Nielsen-Gammon says, it evaporates any moisture in the soil and raises the temperature of the soil. With no moisture, the ground is a virtual hot plate, adding to the misery. That misery is bound to end and the last of the year's 100-plus temperatures may be recorded this week, but this drought will have a ripple effect that will spread beyond the region in the months ahead, having an impact on the one place Americans do not need to feel the hurt: their pocketbooks.

From beef prices to the cost of a pair of socks, the Texas drought of 2011 will leave its mark on family budgets. "This drought is just strangling our agricultural economy," says professor Travis Miller, of Texas A&M University's Department of Soil and Crop Sciences. Losses, so far, are estimated at $5 billion. Texas has lost a little over half of its cotton crop as parched fields brought back memories and statistics not seen since the great dust bowl of 1933. Texas produces 55% of the U.S. crop and two-thirds of America's yield is exported to mills in China, Mexico, Vietnam and Thailand, where textile manufacturers drove prices down by reducing their stockpiles hoping to see a glut on the market and hence lower cotton prices, Miller says. However, their effort did not anticipate the drought and now with shrinking supplies, cotton prices are surging.

The effects go beyond this year's cotton harvest. Ranchers are selling off cattle in historic numbers, Miller says, many of them getting rid of breeding stock that ranchers can no longer feed and water. The state has also lost an entire hay crop, making winter feeding an expensive proposition. While that may mean lower beef prices in the short run as plenty of newly slaughtered cattle hit the marketplace, it likely will mean higher prices down the road since valuable breeding stock is being sold off. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2091192,00.html

Jezus! Mike, you still surviving three-digit temps? I thought by now it would have dropped SOME anyway!

I'm sure Cantor will send you emergency funds...just as soon as they cut FEMA and a few other "nonessential discretionary spending" programs. I wonder if Gov. Perry thinks God is out to get you guys or something? Can't be anything HE's done, naturally...maybe it's you few remainders of the endangered species of liberals in Texas who are to blame...

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:50 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Perhaps it would be worthwhile for Texas to invest in desalination plants to prevent future occurrences of this disastrous drought? Water could be pumped through vast pipelines that crisscross the nation, bringing it to wherever it is needed.

They have the pumping technology, and they have the pipeline technology. All they need is the desalination technology, and they need never go dry again.

On the other hand, such a vast infrastructure investment would require Federal assistance.

--Anthony



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“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anthony, not FEDERAL money!

No! No! No! That won't DO!

Never! Never! Never! Everything federal: Bad!

Oh, wait, unless they really NEED the money...

Oh, my, I'm having fun but I'm getting rummy...I've reeeely


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:02 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Maybe it's time for those Republic of Texas guys to secede, before they want Federal tax dollars spent there to relieve their problem, which ISN'T caused by GLOBAL WARMING, just it's because it's the hottest it's been in 150 YEARS. After all those years of good sound Republican small government conservative capitalist budget management, and all that Texas "awl bidness" wealth, they're in GREAT shape to take care of themselves, aren't they?

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:09 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I think Texas might be able to afford the cost of seceding if they either nationalize some of their production or increase taxes on businesses operating there.

They actually have a lot of valuable resources.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Still here, still sweltering. We already shattered the record for most consecutive days over 100º *and* most days in a year over 100º, and we're setting new records for that mark every day, although we did have one cloudy day last week (but no rain, alas), where the high only got up to 96º.

Rumor had it that we might see a cold front this weekend, with highs getting *only* up to 98º or so, but they've rescinded that in the latest forecasts, and we're expected to be over 100º every day for a while now.

We watched a tropical storm make a direct hit just south of Brownsville, and it didn't make a dent. It didn't even stand a chance - you could literally see it come apart and disappear as soon as it made landfall, and they said even the places in the direct path of it got less than half an inch of rain.

It's not even a joke anymore - people are openly saying that we NEED a hurricane to hit here, NOW. It's the only system strong enough to blast this high-pressure area apart and give us some relief. Cattle and livestock are dying, pets are dying, KIDS are dying - people are being arrested for leaving kids and pets inside their cars, even for just a few minutes.

It's as bad as I've ever seen it. No, scratch that. It's worse than that. This is going to have a nationwide impact, if not a global one, because of the production that's being lost in this area of the country. Wool, cotton, beef - all are going to be seeing price increases and production shortages. Look a bit further north - Oklahoma and Kansas, among others - and you'll see lower production of wheat, soy, corn, pork, poultry, you name it. It's going to be a real motherfucker for the next year or so.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I think Texas might be able to afford the cost of seceding if they either nationalize some of their production or increase taxes on businesses operating there.




That sounds a bit... socialist, if you don't mind my saying so. If Texas were willing to do that, why would we need to secede? Hell, that's a more progressive plan of action than anything proposed by the President!

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:33 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


No sign of it breaking, :( I'm sorry that this keeps going on Quicko, I think you guys would love a break, we all may encounter reprecussions from this with higher prices, but its nothing like the hardship you guys are handling down there right now. My dad didn't believe me when I said house foundations were cracking from the dryness down there, didn't you say something like that? That idea is utterly unheard of in the NW rain where I live.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:29 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I think Texas might be able to afford the cost of seceding if they either nationalize some of their production or increase taxes on businesses operating there.




That sounds a bit... socialist, if you don't mind my saying so. If Texas were willing to do that, why would we need to secede? Hell, that's a more progressive plan of action than anything proposed by the President!



Hello,

I don't mind at all. :-) For sure Texas couldn't secede without adjusting their revenue stream. How else could they afford the necessary military to keep out the Mexican invasion forces?

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'd say that this is the "new normal" except that I think in about 15 years THIS will look pretty damn tame. Maybe this is the start of a 20-year drought!

Anyway, seeing as Perry thinks that scientists are fudging climate data in order to get more money (I laughed my ass off over that one!) I challenge Perry to another "prayerpalooza" to break the drought. Really. I think he should keep working on that. I think people should be REMINDING him to work on that! After all, he thinks it's going to work, right? So why is he leaving Texas in the lurch like that? Why is he not exercising his faith?

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I think Texas might be able to afford the cost of seceding if they either nationalize some of their production or increase taxes on businesses operating there.




That sounds a bit... socialist, if you don't mind my saying so. If Texas were willing to do that, why would we need to secede? Hell, that's a more progressive plan of action than anything proposed by the President!



Hello,

I don't mind at all. :-) For sure Texas couldn't secede without adjusting their revenue stream. How else could they afford the necessary military to keep out the Mexican invasion forces?

--Anthony





I'm guessing Texas would probably start selling some of that sweet Mexican cartel pot and meth to fun their military to beat back the invading Mexican drug cartels, who will be using their profits from selling us all that pot and meth to buy weapons with which to invade us!

In other words, things will stay about the same.

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I'd send ya a case of freezy-pops Mikey, but why not cut out the middle man, ehe ?

Seriously, them things are manna from the gods when it's hot!

Annnd not much to commisserate, but it just cleared 72F here at freakin midnight, and I have rounds, so gahhhh...
Of course, if it WERE 100F+ I think for once I'd throw in the towel and call rounds, I just couldn't DO em, or I'd boot Wendy out there, whom imma have to have a discussion regarding uniform policy with anyway cause she tied her shirt tails of her uniform shirt around to make it a middie-shirt, with shorts, which doesn't look exactly appropriate you ask me...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Only one thing to do.

Saturday, Sept. 3, everyone in Texas wash (with as litle water as possible) and wax your cars and leave them out of the garage overnight. It might also help if folks with convertibles leave the tops down.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Only one thing to do.

Saturday, Sept. 3, everyone in Texas wash (with as litle water as possible) and wax your cars and leave them out of the garage overnight. It might also help if folks with convertibles leave the tops down.

"Keep the Shiny side up"




I'm about ready to give it a try, Geez. I haven't washed the Durango... ever, that I can remember, because I'm not a fan of polishing a turd, but if it might bring rain, I'll do it!

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I'd send ya a case of freezy-pops Mikey, but why not cut out the middle man, ehe ?

Seriously, them things are manna from the gods when it's hot!




Oh, I keep 'em stocked at all times.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There you go; Geezer's got it. The one true rain-maker, washing the car. Only where are they going to get the water with which to do so?? Eep.

I see where the next forecast "tropical storm" (not the K one yet) MIGHT be headed your way. Of course, that's terribly premature. Weather has truly been fucked up for a number of years now. We STILL haven't gotten our Indian Summer and rarely get out of the 70s...the fog just refuses to leave. I'm happy as a clam, but I imagine the vineyards up in Napa are cursing. They need that hot spell.

If only we could divert all that floodwater in the Northeast, what, about 2,000 miles Southwest...

Hang in there guys, sooner or later this, too, shall piss...er, PASS!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Thursday, September 1, 2011 7:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I haven't washed the Durango... ever, that I can remember, because I'm not a fan of polishing a turd...


*hysterics*
OoooKAY then, yeah, my ex has a Dakota, so I concur with that assessment, although MY major problem with it is that it's apparently designed for people YOUR size, Mikey, my puny ass needs a telephone book to see over the damn dash!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 7:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I haven't washed the Durango... ever, that I can remember, because I'm not a fan of polishing a turd...


*hysterics*
OoooKAY then, yeah, my ex has a Dakota, so I concur with that assessment, although MY major problem with it is that it's apparently designed for people YOUR size, Mikey, my puny ass needs a telephone book to see over the damn dash!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.




Nope, not made for my size, either - the roof is too low, and it's bisected by a big cross-brace right at the B-pillar, which is where my head WOULD go if I had my druthers. So I have to sit bolt-upright with the steering wheel in my chest, or go full-on gangsta lean with my head looking out the rear windows.

The Durango has exactly two things going for it, and they're enough to make me keep it, for now at least: (1) A big honking V8 that makes merging a snap - push the skinny pedal and find a hole to merge into; and (2) great A/C. Dual-zone A/C - front and rear A/C. Not only can I cool down, but so can the dog! :)

There really isn't any other redeeming quality to that truck. I had a passenger get in the back yesterday and close the door, only to have the entire rear door panel come off in her hand. I shrugged and told her just to toss it in the back with the rest of the bits that have fallen off this year.

Oh, and the paint and clear-coat have been peeling off it for a few years, which is one big reason not to wash it, lest I actually scrub off MORE of the paint!

Did I mention it's got less than 30k miles on it?

It's not that Americans *can't* build a quality car; it's that we simply choose not to. ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:09 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
It's not that Americans *can't* build a quality car; it's that we simply choose not to.



Or you might have the wrong one. My '99 Tahoe has close to 180,000 miles on it, including maybe 10,000 towing a 5000lb trailer, and it's never needed anything other than normal wear items (Water pumps for a GM 350 are a wear item. Right?). I'd jump in it tomorrow and head for anywhere. My cousin Bill has driven Suburbans since forever, and feels they aren't even broken in until 150,000.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
It's not that Americans *can't* build a quality car; it's that we simply choose not to.



Or you might have the wrong one. My '99 Tahoe has close to 180,000 miles on it, including maybe 10,000 towing a 5000lb trailer, and it's never needed anything other than normal wear items (Water pumps for a GM 350 are a wear item. Right?). I'd jump in it tomorrow and head for anywhere. My cousin Bill has driven Suburbans since forever, and feels they aren't even broken in until 150,000.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Yeah, full-size trucks are where American carmakers really shine. I had a '95 Dodge Ram pickup that seemingly couldn't be killed. Unfortunately, I replaced it with the Durango. Bad move on my part.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The Durango has exactly two things going for it, and they're enough to make me keep it, for now at least: (1) A big honking V8 that makes merging a snap - push the skinny pedal and find a hole to merge into; and (2) great A/C. Dual-zone A/C - front and rear A/C. Not only can I cool down, but so can the dog! :)


*snort*
Might I add to that her A/C is broke, and hers has this pathetic V6 O/D which struggles to accellerate on a DOWNHILL onramp...

What was that about redeeming qualities again ?

-F

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Friday, September 2, 2011 7:06 AM

ARTCAT81


Shake your rainsticks for us! Temps are finally under 3 digits, yes 95 feels cool now.

Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse
www.texasartcat.com/bluesun.html <--my bluesunshop

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