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Idaho, Montana wolf hunts back on
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:04 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: A federal appeals court on Thursday denied a request by environmental groups to halt wolf hunts that are scheduled to begin next week in Idaho and Montana. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals denied the request by the Alliance for the Wild Rockies and other groups. The groups were seeking to cancel the hunts while the court considers a challenge to congressional action in April that stripped wolves of federal protections in Montana and Idaho, and in parts of Washington, Oregon and Utah. Earlier this month, U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula reluctantly upheld a budget rider that was inserted by Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, and Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont. It marked the first time since the passage of the Endangered Species Act in 1973 that Congress forcibly removed protections from a plant or animal. Molloy ruled that the way Congress went about removing endangered species protections from the Northern Rockies gray wolf undermined the rule of law but did not violate the Constitution. Meanwhile, the environmental groups argued Congress' actions were unconstitutional because they violated the principle of separation of powers. “We lost the injunction, we have not lost the case,” Mike Garrity, executive director of the Alliance for the Wild Rockies, said of Thursday's court ruling. “We will continue to fight to protect the wolves and enforce the separation of powers doctrine in the U.S. Constitution.” Meanwhile, John Horning, executive director for WildEarth Guardians, one of the groups involved in the case, said, “We are discouraged we didn't win a stay of execution for wolves, but we are cautiously optimistic that we will win our lawsuit to protect wolves from future persecution.” Wolf hunts are scheduled to begin Aug. 30 in Idaho and Sept. 3 in Montana. Hunters in Montana will be allowed to shoot as many as 220 gray wolves, reducing the predators' Montana population by about 25 percent to a minimum of 425 wolves. In Idaho, where an estimated 1,000 wolves roam, state wildlife managers have declined to name a target for kills for the seven-month hunting season. They say the state will manage wolves so their population remains above 150 animals and 15 breeding pairs, the point where Idaho could attract federal scrutiny for a possible re-listing under the Endangered Species Act. http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2011/aug/25/bid-block-idaho-montana-wolf-hunts-rejected/ damn them to hell. I wish this sort of thing could be taken to the Supreme Court...but then we know what the result would be. Any court that thinks corporations are people obviously has no concept of what "people" are, much less "endangered species"! I wish, I wish, I wish I could be there and take some pot shots at them...not to kill, mind, just to wing 'em...
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:48 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:52 AM
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 11:21 AM
PERFESSERGEE
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Ranchers. They want NO wolves, because of course wolves kill "so many" of their sheep and cattle. It's always a battle to reintroduce wolves back to their natural habitat because of political pressure from ranchers. They got money for lobbyists; wolves don't. Best I not get started on the patent falsity of their claims, it wouldn't be a G-rated discussion.... Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 11:41 AM
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:43 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:46 PM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 2:15 PM
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:33 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:00 AM
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Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:12 AM
Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:25 AM
Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:11 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Do they just want to hunt the wolves for their pelts?
Thursday, September 8, 2011 4:21 AM
Quote:dunno if she does it from airplaes, but others do
Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:50 AM
Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:52 AM
Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:53 AM
Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Of course, my current "hunting" task is much more benevolent - one of the residents indoor cats slipped out while they were bringing in groceries, and now they're quite distraught and have appealed to the site management since there's only one chance of tracking a frightened housecat down in the dark and lousy weather we've been having - this isn't the first time I've done it, you see... While not exactly technically any part of my job responsibilities, having recently lost a dear kitty myself I know all too well what a crushing blow that can be, and I mean to rescue the poor critter if it can be at all done - not to mention it's good practice, and really, there's not much else to do since the folks I am paid to scare off ALREADY avoid this place like it's cursed. Wish me luck, ehe ? -Frem
Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:03 AM
Quote:Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska and John McCain's vice presidential pick, is an enthusiastic hunter who has proposed legislation and cash incentives to encourage aerial wolf gunning, the controversial practice of shooting wolves from an aircraft. Do people in Alaska really shoot wolves from planes? Yes, but only with the government's permission. Aerial shooting yields better results than traditional hunting, since it allows the hunter to cover a lot of ground quickly and track target animals from a clear vantage point. But many hunters found the practice unsportsmanlike, since it violates the "fair chase" ethic, and animal rights activists call it inhumane, since airborne gunmen rarely get a clean (i.e., relatively painless) kill. In response to concerns like these, Congress passed the Federal Airborne Hunting Act of 1972, which made it illegal for hunters to shoot animals from a plane or helicopter. (HAH!) The federal legislation (PDF) does have a loophole for predator control, permitting state employees or licensed individuals to shoot from an aircraft for the sake of protecting "land, water, wildlife, livestock, domesticated animals, human life, or crops." (This doesn't just apply to wolves; coyotes and foxes are sometimes gunned down from aircraft, especially in Western states.) Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered. The idea is that by killing the predators, the airborne gunmen can ramp up the number of moose and caribou that human hunters can take home for supper. Airborne hunters tend to fly single-engine Super Cub planes at very low speeds and at altitudes of less than 100 feet—sometimes swooping down to 10 to 15 feet above the ground. But flying so slow and low can be dangerous, and there have been a number of reported deaths in recent years as a result. Helicopters have the benefit of being able to hover very close to the ground, but they're prohibitively expensive for private pilots. (A small helicopter might cost as much as four times more than a Super Cub.) This past spring, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game lent its helicopters and employees to the predator-control effort. There are two methods for making a kill during an aerial hunting expedition: Either you shoot the wolf while airborne or you track the animal from above, then land and shoot it from the ground. Legal limits on "land and shoot" hunting have been far less stringent: For many years after shooting from the air was outlawed, anyone with a hunting or trapping license could practice "land and shoot," provided he or she walked a certain distance from his plane before opening fire. Current rules in Alaska require a delay between landing an aircraft and killing an animal: In most cases, hunters must wait until 3 the following morning before they can get started. Back in the 1950s, Alaska paid government employees and bounty hunters to take out thousands of wolves, but today's aerial wolf killers are unpaid. (They can make some money by selling the wolf pelts.) Palin tried last year to have the state pay $150 for every wolf killed, but the state superior court shot that down as an illegal use of bounty payments, which were outlawed in that state in 1984. http://www.slate.com/id/2199140/ I really, really despise my own species...
Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:17 AM
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Thursday, September 8, 2011 4:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Now I'm imagining Frem creeping through the housing development late at night, in his tactical gear with artificial bits oiled into silence, bowl of milk in hand, whispering "Here, kitty, kitty, kitty, damn it."
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