Fire the First Shot... We Have Most of the Guns... by Kwicko

Maybe it's time for us liberals to put aside our non-violence, pacifism, and general dislike and fear of firearms, and arm ourselves in self defense.

In fact, maybe it's time to get back to '60's militancy, take to the streets in large numbers, and DEMAND the changes that will bring about our vision

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Monday, September 19, 2011 3:45 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Maybe it's time for us liberals to put aside our non-violence, pacifism, and general dislike and fear of firearms, and arm ourselves in self defense.

In fact, maybe it's time to get back to '60's militancy, take to the streets in large numbers, and DEMAND the changes that will bring about our vision"

Good luck with that.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 3:56 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

This man is unbalanced, and representative of the very worst impulses of mankind.

Please don't emulate his lead.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Monday, September 19, 2011 4:03 AM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This man is unbalanced, and representative of the very worst impulses of mankind.

Please don't emulate his lead.

--Anthony

I have to agree with Anthony on this one. I don't know who this person is but we all say things we later regret and I'd imagine this dude is feeling pretty stupid right know.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 4:12 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This man is unbalanced, and representative of the very worst impulses of mankind.

Please don't emulate his lead.

--Anthony

I have to agree with Anthony on this one. I don't know who this person is but we all say things we later regret and I'd imagine this dude is felling pretty stupid right know.

I'm thinking this dude is loving the attention. When the Internet gave everyone a VOICE it made some people feel the need to yell even harder.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:03 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Calling them "unblanced" does a disservice to the unbalanced.

The guy is a fascist, as is Wulf, and rappy. They don't believe in freedom for everyone, just freedom for themselves and their beloved corporations. Quite frankly, Breitbartz deserves to be jailed for a terrorist statement, and if not jailed, set upon by the 80% of the population that is NOT them.

Left-wing and liberal toleration should only go so far. People really do need to fight for freedom.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:04 AM

STORYMARK

Breitbart is a douche-bag, plain and simple.

I like his rationale - If they beat us with words and ideas - shoot 'em!

Shows the strength of the ideas he supports.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This man is unbalanced, and representative of the very worst impulses of mankind.

Please don't emulate his lead.

--Anthony

I have to agree with Anthony on this one. I don't know who this person is but we all say things we later regret and I'd imagine this dude is feeling pretty stupid right know.

But there are PLENTY of Wulfs and Raps who would listen to him and DO it.

*M*A*Y*B*E* we should take the threat at its literal word; *M*A*Y*B*E* we should get over our fear of somebody, anybody voicing an unkind word against us; *M*A*Y*B*E* we should arm in self- defense, before it's too late. *M*A*Y*B*E* ... or, *M*A*Y*B*E* not...

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:18 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

MAYBE, hell.

There is nothing wrong with I call a "muscular defense". The Tea Party is a wildly disliked splinter of the GOP which has.. thanks to Rupert Murdoch, the Koch Bros, and Obama's limp agenda ... gained unwarranted political influence relative to their numbers and popularity.

They don't respond to reason, logic, or facts. You are not about to talk sense into most of them. They are bullies, proto-fascists and fascists and the only thing they respond to is FEAR. So, let them fear liberals in the arena they believe is theirs. BTW- I personally know a lot of liberals who own guns and know how to use them.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:21 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

I don't know who this person is .

I just looked him up on Wikipedia. He has a weekly column with the New York Times, several internet sites, an occasional commentator spot on Fox News, writes for the Weekly Standard, and is listed as a favorite at Tea Party gatherings. So he has plenty of audience.

He seems to have broken the Weiner sexting scandal, and caused the Shirley Sherrod firing at the USDA.

There's more...

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:22 AM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This man is unbalanced, and representative of the very worst impulses of mankind.

Please don't emulate his lead.

--Anthony

I have to agree with Anthony on this one. I don't know who this person is but we all say things we later regret and I'd imagine this dude is feeling pretty stupid right know.

But there are PLENTY of Wulfs and Raps who would listen to him and DO it.

*M*A*Y*B*E* we should take the threat at its literal word; *M*A*Y*B*E* we should get over our fear of somebody, anybody voicing an unkind word against us; *M*A*Y*B*E* we should arm in self- defense, before it's too late. *M*A*Y*B*E* ... or, *M*A*Y*B*E* not...

The rhetoric on the left is often just as harsh but examples of those influenced to action by these nuts are just those mentally ill in the first place. I personally find Sygnym's proposal to jail 20% of the US population more disturbing than anything this idiot says. We definitely don't have enough prison space maybe you should consider a more final solution.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:26 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

So let me get this straight..

Union thugs beat and terrorize people...

Your president vows to steal from me and mine in order to "redistribute the wealth"...

Your side wants to force people into bondage from the day they are born, to put everyone into a government system (i.e. ObamaCare)...

Your side wants to end my right and access to the means of self-defense thru "gun control"...

Your side wants to tax me and mine to death to fund idiotic projects...

Your side wants to curb my freedom of speech and thought with political correctness...

Your side wants to force religion to bow to whatever whims the government imposes...

(I can go on and on..)

Yet, somehow... I am the bad "facist" and should be "taken out" by the "80%" (lol omg, thats a good one)?

Really?

Good to know.

Oh and by the by, I never said this guy was right. I just laughed when someone said it was time for the lib/progs to get "militant".

That, right there, might actually start a war. We have had enough of your "beliefs". They don't work. They never worked. In fact, they've helped spiral us into a nose dive.

But hey, stupidity like yours rarely cures itself.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:

I personally find Sygnym's proposal to jail 20% of the US population more disturbing than anything this idiot says. We definitely don't have enough prison space maybe you should consider a more final solution.

I don't see anywhere where Signy suggests that.
And ya oughtta watch that " final solution " talk. You know, and I know, who and what you're implying.
And, remember it was YOUR idea, not ours; and as a reason for it: " not enough prison space" is a pretty slim rationale for genocide.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 5:31 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh what crybabies.

I pushed your buttons* and viola!. I got the expected response.

You can dish it out, but you can't take it. What sensitive little pricks you are. Stupid, too. Good to know.

*I reflected Breitbartz right back.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So let me get this straight..

Yet, somehow... I am the bad "facist" and should be "taken out" by the "80%"

( SNIP SOME...)

I just laughed when someone said it was time for the lib/progs to get "militant".

That, right there, might actually start a war. We have had enough of your "beliefs". They don't work. They never worked. In fact, they've helped spiral us into a nose dive.

But hey, stupidity like yours rarely cures itself.

Yeah, let's get some of this stuff straight.

How much of this are you imagining or just plain making up?
Don't seem to recall Signy suggesting taking anyone out. Or putting anyone except Breibart in jail.
How might liberals being militant and marching in protest start a war? Maybe because YOU'RE scared of US, and as suggested above, you KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN with ideas and words, so you'll start killing?
You've had enough of our ideas? OK, then argue them down in CIVIL debate and discourse. Defeat them at the ballot box. Or if you lose at the ballot box, remain loyal to the institution and the country, as we have. 'Cuz we've had PLENTY of your ideas.
And don't start with " stupid." We've whupped your ass plenty of times on THAT ONE.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 6:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Good luck with that.

Well, first I'd have to get my own gun...

I think the idea is to show the absurdity of things degrading to such a level that there'd be any actual shooting, so it'd be best if we knock off the silly rhetoric and figure this stuff out, like adults.

That's how I see it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 19, 2011 7:11 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

My goodness. Rather than see universal condemnation of some pretty deplorable positions and statements, this has oddly metamorphed into a phallus-measuring competition.

Escalation is not the answer to this kind of behavior, nor is mirroring the bad behavior of the other.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Monday, September 19, 2011 7:48 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

This thread depresses me (apart from Kirkules' dry humour).

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 7:55 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So let me get this straight..

Union thugs beat and terrorize people...

Your president vows to steal from me and mine in order to "redistribute the wealth"...

Your side wants to force people into bondage from the day they are born, to put everyone into a government system (i.e. ObamaCare)...

Your side wants to end my right and access to the means of self-defense thru "gun control"...

Your side wants to tax me and mine to death to fund idiotic projects...

Your side wants to curb my freedom of speech and thought with political correctness...

Your side wants to force religion to bow to whatever whims the government imposes...

(I can go on and on..)

Yet, somehow... I am the bad "facist" and should be "taken out" by the "80%" (lol omg, thats a good one)?

Really?

Good to know.

Oh and by the by, I never said this guy was right. I just laughed when someone said it was time for the lib/progs to get "militant".

That, right there, might actually start a war. We have had enough of your "beliefs". They don't work. They never worked. In fact, they've helped spiral us into a nose dive.

But hey, stupidity like yours rarely cures itself.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Pure, teabaggin' stupidity, distilled folks.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 8:11 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Pure, teabaggin' stupidity, distilled folks."

"Heres a glass of water, (pours ink into it) dirty... the water.. foul... the people, if they have no choice... they'll drink from it. If they are thirsty.

Yet, if you offer them this glass (pours clear, clean, water into it) and allow them to make their OWN decision...

they will choose the pure vessel."

The lib/progs have for years pushed the foulness of their beliefs on the people. Yet now, in this time, the "tea-party" has offered a new way. A clean, clear, honest, fair way.

Let the people decide.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 8:36 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Let the people decide."

It's called the vote. You have a problem with that?

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Monday, September 19, 2011 8:47 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Yep. We need a return to the peaceful Democratic retoric, like, "...let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 9:29 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Yep. We need a return to the peaceful Democratic retoric, like, "...let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Hello,

No, that's what's wrong with politics. Well, it's at least one thing that's wrong with politics. Bad behavior is excused because the other guy is doing it. Aggressive language begets aggressive language, in a continuing escalation of wrongness until it sounds like two nations planning thermonuclear war rather than two parties discussing the best future for their country.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Monday, September 19, 2011 9:51 AM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Yep. We need a return to the peaceful Democratic retoric, like, "...let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Hello,

No, that's what's wrong with politics. Well, it's at least one thing that's wrong with politics. Bad behavior is excused because the other guy is doing it. Aggressive language begets aggressive language, in a continuing escalation of wrongness until it sounds like two nations planning thermonuclear war rather than two parties discussing the best future for their country.

--Anthony

The current political rhetoric is no worse than at other times in American history. Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and Samuel Adams would have no problem taking part in the current fray. Harsh rhetoric is preferable to bullets flying and probably shocks people into realizing the depth of feeling on the other side about certain subjects resulting in compromise by the side with less conviction on the matter at hand.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 10:10 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Actually, back in the day the opposing sides would have a duel.

Obama vs. Rick Perry.

Glenn Beck vs Bill Mahr.

That would be AWESOME!

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 10:45 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So let me get this straight..

I doubt it, but go on.

Quote:
Union thugs beat and terrorize people...

You mean like corporate thugs use to?

Quote:
Your president vows to steal from me and mine in order to "redistribute the wealth"...

Taxes are not stealing, all government redistribute wealth.

Quote:
Your side wants to force people into bondage from the day they are born, to put everyone into a government system (i.e. ObamaCare)...

A government system like having a social security number?

Quote:
Your side wants to end my right and access to the means of self-defense thru "gun control"...

Gun registration, required safety classes and limits on certain weapons does not end your ability to defend yourself.

Quote:
Your side wants to tax me and mine to death to fund idiotic projects...

That might be possible if we had much, much higher tax rates.

Quote:
Your side wants to curb my freedom of speech and thought with political correctness...

Really, what bill is that?

Quote:
Your side wants to force religion to bow to whatever whims the government imposes...

Really, how so?

Quote:
(I can go on and on..)

Yet, somehow... I am the bad "facist" and should be "taken out" by the "80%" (lol omg, thats a good one)?

Really?

Good to know.

Oh and by the by, I never said this guy was right. I just laughed when someone said it was time for the lib/progs to get "militant".

That, right there, might actually start a war. We have had enough of your "beliefs". They don't work. They never worked. In fact, they've helped spiral us into a nose dive.

But hey, stupidity like yours rarely cures itself.

The US has been operating under pretty much right side ideologies since Reagan. Liberals really don't have to get militant, we just have to keep educating people by showing them the facts.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 11:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Yeah, let's get some of this stuff straight.

How much of this are you imagining or just plain making up?
Don't seem to recall Signy suggesting taking anyone out. Or putting anyone except Breibart in jail.
How might liberals being militant and marching in protest start a war? Maybe because YOU'RE scared of US, and as suggested above, you KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN with ideas and words, so you'll start killing?
You've had enough of our ideas? OK, then argue them down in CIVIL debate and discourse. Defeat them at the ballot box. Or if you lose at the ballot box, remain loyal to the institution and the country, as we have. 'Cuz we've had PLENTY of your ideas.
And don't start with " stupid." We've whupped your ass plenty of times on THAT ONE.

I notice that Wulf stepped back into the thread without bothering to answer any of these questions, whereas Nick went after many of the more stupid of Wulfie's.

Nice, heroic, honest rational response on your part, Wulf. We know you're tooo stupid to respond with arguments. Maybe you should try threats of mob violence-- like, " My Second Amendment buddies have got most of the guns and they're (Jeez, I almost wrote 'we're', but Wulf ain't got the balls for doing it, only the temperament.) gonna come around and kill you liberals. Just like Fuhrer Breibart ordered."

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Monday, September 19, 2011 11:57 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Aww, did I win the argument? Is that why you are so mad?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 12:00 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

No son, you lost....and badly.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 12:06 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"No son, you lost....and badly. "

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 12:58 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oh Geezer

You failed to post the entire quote. It starts "We are ready to march."

Anything about guns? Nope. Shooting? Nope. Killing? Nope. Revolution? Nope. ANYTHING indicating he is inciting people to do anything other than - well - march? Nope.

Now, why would you leave out those damning words "We are ready to march"?

Just wondering. It's a mystery to me why you would not include those few words. Perhaps you can solve it for us.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Monday, September 19, 2011 1:07 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Your side wants to tax me and mine to death to fund idiotic projects..."

Well Wulf, you're the expert. The ORIGINAL objections went kind of like this ... "no taxation WITHOUT ..." ... ... now how does that go? It's a word begins with a 'r' I think - REPR ... something. How about you fill in the blank, Wulf. If you need a hint, I'm pretty sure their beef had something to do with not having a VOTE.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Monday, September 19, 2011 1:19 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Idiots.

I'll say it again - were I to give you a factory custom 9mm with 18 match grade bullets, and then put you up against 18 randomly selected people...
You would die.

A gun is NOT a magic wand, watching too much bad TV is no substitute for training, nor is rightwing agitprop any substitute for rational thought.

Besides, it ain't the would-be tyrants who are the problem, it's all the stupid little drones willing to take their orders even though once the bastards get in power they'll be the first disposed of cause they're so stupid and gullible they dare not leave them laying around for someone else to exploit in the same fashion - as anyone with less than a wholesale ignorance of history could tell you.

Quote:
Waaah, I never wanted this!
Oh yes you did, you just wanted it to happen to someone ELSE!

Cause you see, my tactical doctrine in such a case is to poison them from within, so the guy marching you tyranny enabling pricks to your final destination ?
Prolly one of mine - clean you off our boots like the fecal matter you are as a warmup to the real work of hoisting them on their own petard.

Anytime you give someone else the power to do TO someone else, on your behalf, is gonna come back cause you also just gave em the power to do so TO YOU - and none of ya listened when we pointed out handing that shit over to Bush would someday soon mean a Democrat with the same ability to fuck you just as hard, and now you wanna friggin whine about it ?
Please.
I got just one question for ya, really...

HOW DOES IT TASTE ?!

I told you to your faces when you were so hell bent on serving the rest of the world a shit sandwich, that someday soon you'd have it served to you, ain't my fault you didn't listen, it's yours....
So chow down, you enabling pricks.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 1:49 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Words are very powerful things, clearly Signe is so affected she is quite riled. What this charactor said is over the top and potentially problematic, but he said it and will reap the consequences for saying it, people will view him as too extreme, will stop being interested in what he's saying etc. He's probably kicking himself now for lettin his mouth talk and not seeing to it proper. I would never talk like that, and neither would anyone else who wants to gain power in a country where most people don't roll that way, don't want to kill and get into a civil war, because who would want that really?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, September 19, 2011 2:40 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Aww, did I win the argument? Is that why you are so mad?

I'll accept this as your roundabout way of admitting that the right wing lost the debate of ideas, and that is the reason why you and Breitbart are so mad you're getting jumpy to start shooting.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 3:10 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
watching too much bad TV is no substitute for training, nor is rightwing agitprop any substitute for rational thought.

*Lo Pan voice*
But we keep trying... like fools...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, September 19, 2011 4:13 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Yep. We need a return to the peaceful Democratic retoric, like, "...let's take these son-of-a-bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Hello,

No, that's what's wrong with politics. Well, it's at least one thing that's wrong with politics. Bad behavior is excused because the other guy is doing it.

Not my point.

Folks on both sides say stupid things.

What's wrong with politics is that if one Republican or one Democrat says something stupid, the other side tars every Democrat or Republican with the same brush.

You know, and I know, that the Breitbart quote and the "sons-of-bitches" quote are from folks who are really out on the fringes of political thought in the U.S., but the folks who are fanaticaly invested in one ideology or another are so hot to lambaste the other side that they'll leap to the conclusion that all of the opposition feel that way.

I mean, you only have to look at the few folks who hang out in RWED to see this happening. They see the other side, Democrat or Republican, as irredeemably evil, and therefore can find no ground at all to compromise or agree.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, September 19, 2011 4:28 PM

FREMDFIRMA

*snicker*

That whole scene is just epic - whole movie is, really...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, September 19, 2011 4:36 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I feel that this is why when somebody on 'your side' does something wrong, it is important to say so. This demonstrates good judgment, and also indicates to the world that any 'side' in politics is not a vast monolith. That there are intelligent, human people and not just the braying donkeys.

But when we defend 'our side' by saying 'you do it too, and worse' or when we enter a contest of escalation in bad behavior, we contribute to the very polarization you indicate.

I do indeed see the Us/Them being created, with each side regarding the other as an icon of evil. This happens not only in terms of Republican/Democrat, but also in discussions about the economy that are divorced from party positions.

--Anthony

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Monday, September 19, 2011 6:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yeah, right Geezer. Which is why you deliberately misquoted Hoffa. We AAAALLlllll believe you.

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Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Monday, September 19, 2011 6:16 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"What this charactor said is over the top and potentially problematic ... He's probably kicking himself now for lettin his mouth talk and not seeing to it proper."

Don't you for a second think he doesn't mean it. Don't you think for a second he and his ilk can be shamed or reasoned with. Even if they don't get out their guns except in masturbatory fantasy, they can and will do everything in their power to make their side win, including vote tampering and voter suppression.

The only thing he regrets is being exposed.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:06 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I do indeed see the Us/Them being created, with each side regarding the other as an icon of evil. This happens not only in terms of Republican/Democrat, but also in discussions about the economy that are divorced from party positions.

The "us" and "them" already exists, Tony. When CEOs and inter/national bankers and militaries and jihadists look on the rest of humanity as so much fodder for their engines, they already created the "us" and "them". The fodder is finally noticing ... and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

And, oh yeah.... thanks for misquoting Hoffa. Geezer. Nice to know you can always be counted on for slimy dishonesty and comic relief!

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:09 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Yeah, right Geezer. Which is why you deliberately misquoted Hoffa.

Strange that when I google that quote, it comes up as a prefect match on many media sites. How do you consider it was mis-quoted?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:20 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I feel that this is why when somebody on 'your side' does something wrong, it is important to say so. This demonstrates good judgment, and also indicates to the world that any 'side' in politics is not a vast monolith. That there are intelligent, human people and not just the braying donkeys.

I agree. That's why I posted the Hoffa quote, because when it was discussed in an earlier thread, the folks who want to jail Brietbart for his 'incitement to violence' generally fell all over themselves to excuse Hoffa's retoric as just 'retoric'.

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But when we defend 'our side' by saying 'you do it too, and worse' or when we enter a contest of escalation in bad behavior, we contribute to the very polarization you indicate.

And again, I don't defend Brietbart. He's just another blowhard. But if the folks here want to take his ravings as inciting violence, they should also want to check on the ravings from their side for the same thing.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Except that Hoffa was talking VOTES (that is the part YOU left out) and Breibart was talking guns.

Bit of a difference there, geezer, which I know you will do your best to obfuscate and convince everyone that it's the same thing. But it's not. Just think of how you would feel if I were to threaten to jaw you into submission, as opposed to shooting you. Feels a bit different, one from the other, doesn't it?

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:06 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Except that Hoffa was talking VOTES (that is the part YOU left out) and Breibart was talking guns.

So? Calling your political opponents 'sons of bitches' is inflamatory enough.

Both statements were stupid and inflamatory, and both reflect the position of only a small portion of either side's total following.

You want to tar all the Republicans with Breitbart's brush, and the Tea Party wants to tar the Democrats with Hoffa's. You and they are both spewing hate and trying to make sure there's no common ground for folks to talk on.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:53 AM