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"OccupyMarines" starting up; "OccupyPolice" website, hacked after day one, back on line, Anonymous vows to shut down FauxNews

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Monday, October 24, 2011 9:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


From their website:
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OccupyMARINES

Marines support the movement. We will support demonstrators with organization, direction, supply and logistics, and leadership.

OccupyMARINES Update 10.23.2011

Velvet Revolution, a non-profit focused on government and corporate accountability, has agreed to serve as fiscal sponsor for OccupyMarines.

Donations of $500 or less should be routed through the Velvet Revolution landing page. Donors MUST specify the funds are for us by putting “OccupyMarines” in the earmark box.

http://velvetrevolution.us/donate.php

If you are going to donate $500 or more we would like to get a one line quote as to why you are doing so, and we will publish it with or without your name.

We do need a variety of goods and services, both for OccupyMarines activities and for the occupations themselves. Bear with us for the next few days while we get a process in place to verify donations and get your a receipt for your contribution.

If you are a veteran supporting an occupation we would love to hear from you, but give us until Tuesday to get coordination set up – we will publicly announce via the site and Twitter when we’re ready to start supporting occupations beyond the one on Wall Street.

Velvet Revolution is a seven year old operation and they are in good standing with non-profit rating agency Guidestar and donation processor Network For Good. OccupyMarines will exceed industry standards for transparency, publishing our financials and making the process we use to allocate our resources visible to donors and the general public.

Keep Pushing Forward America We Support You

OccupyMARINES

__________

OccupyMARINES Call Out American Celebrities At #OccupyCelebrity
OccupyMARINES Looks To The Celebrity Class Of America To Support OWS And OccupyMARINES In Waking America Up.

Celebrities Such As Justin Timberlake, Will Smith, Jennifer Lopez And The Rest At #OccupyCelebrities Take A Stand With Us At 1 Liberty Street In Manhattan.

Zuccotti Park Is Waiting For Your Help.

Keep Pushing Forward America We Support You

OccupyMARINES

http://occupymarines.org/

And on their Twitter page:
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OccupyMARINES
@OccupyMARINES America
OccupyMARINES Marines support the movement. We will support demonstrators with organization, direction, supply and logistics, and leadership.

https://twitter.com/#%21/OccupyMARINES guess what? There's a new group too:
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OccupyPolice

This website is for police in support of the 99% - Police in America are part of the 99 too #OccupyPolice

Day One: It's official, the Occupy Police movement is live! We are in open Solidarity with Occupy Wall Street and all Occupy movements across the nation. We're starting off Day 1 with a mass e-mail to all police departments throughout the US. We want them to know that they ARE part of the 99% and to get involved with the movement. We openly support positive communication between Police/People and we encourage you to do the same. Take a stand with us on Day 1 and go to THIS PAGE then copy the Letter to Police and e-mail it directly to your local police department, it's time to spread the love and let our police know that THEY ARE part of the 99%
-Occupy Police Team


Day Two: It's been 24 hours since the launch of the Occupy Police Movement and we're off to a good start! We have some announcements regarding the upcoming week. The first is that we're going to hold a live online General Assembly on Monday from 8pm-9pm est. We'll be fielding questions and taking in, all of your input as to the direction of Occupy Police. This is the peoples movement and the course it runs is in your hands. We encourage officers from around the US to get involved.

Also we launched a poll on Facebook, asking if you feel the Police should march alongside the 99%. We need your input as a nation. Vote HERE Staying true to the Occupation movement, and respecting your privacy, your vote will be submitted as Anonymous, unless you choose to publish it differently.

Finally, we wish to thank everyone on Twitter for retweeting this morning, as it's your efforts that will spread the word, esentially bringing more officers to us from America and around the world. What we are doing has the power to tip the balance of the Occupy movement, and you hold that power at your fingertips every time you retweet, again, we want to extent our gratitude, for today and going forward.


Day Three: It is Day 3 of the #OccupyPolice movement and we want to start off by saying Thank You. We are overwhelmed by your support today. We have alot on the agenda, so lets get down to business.

Last night we began curating a list of Police Departments and Attorney Generals using twitter. The list will be published at 6am in our News section. We are going to use this list tomorrow at 5pm for a mass tweet @ Police. We will be requesting that officers from around the nation join us in Solidarity with Occupy Wall St. so be ready and follow our lead! Then at 8pm we will be holding our first official GA online through Twitter @Occupy_Police. We'll be fielding questions and taking in all of your input as to the direction of the #OccupyPolice movement. As we said yesterday, this is the Peoples movement, and we encourage as many officers as possible to join in the fun! Lastly, we'll be offering up a second post here in the blog section at 6am detailing all of our plans for tomorrow. Remember, this is YOUR movement, and again, Thank You ALL for the unwavering support you have provided today -

-Occupy Police Team


OccupyPolice
Today's agenda
10/24/11

Last night while curating and uploading the list of departments and attorney generals using twitter, we were hacked and brought down. It seems like some people don't want #OccupyPolice to happen ....but I don't think they were informed about The Peoples Movement yet. So we will go ahead now and inform them thoroughly, and in 6 words. The Peoples Movement Won't Be Stopped ! Hackers won't win

in the blink of an eye (with help) we brought our network and site back up, and like that old Aerosmith song goes, we're back in the saddle again

Now on to today's agenda. Tonight at 5pm we will be mass tweeting (as a group) messages to police departments around the country. We are requesting that they join the 99% openly and publicly. We're doing this because for all the officers that are anonymously joining us, we need more to rep the 99 publicly, and twitter is the best place to do that. Lets give them a chance and see what they do with it.

Secondly, and immediatly after the mass tweet, we will be holding our first GA here online. We will host it on Twitter at 8pm @Occupy_Police Please tell friends and officers to join in. We'll start be fielding your questions about the #OccupyPolice movement, and then we will take in all of your input as to the direction of #OccupyPolice. We encourage you to join in, and we hope to see you there.

That about does it for today, after the GA, you can follow up with us as we post a late recap of day 4 and our thoughts going forward -

-Occupy Police Team http://www.occupypolice.org/?page_id=13 to find out who is behind this effort, but it's getting a lot of positive feedback; if it's for real, great. SOME police anyway are balking at arresting people:
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Occupy Albany protesters in New York’s capital city received an unexpected ally over the week: The state and local authorities.

According to the Albany Times Union, New York state troopers and Albany police did not adhere to a curfew crackdown on protesters urged by Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) and Albany mayor Gerald Jennings.

Mass arrests seemed to be in the cards once Jennings directed officers to enforce the curfew on roughly 700 protesters occupying the city owned park. But as state police joined the local cops, moved past the property line dividing city and state land.

With protesters acting peacefully, local and state police agreed that low level arrests could cause a riot, so they decided instead to defy Cuomo and Jennings.

“We don’t have those resources, and these people were not causing trouble,” a state official said. “The bottom line is the police know policing, not the governor and not the mayor.”

Occupy Albany, an offspring of Occupy Wall Street, has seen its protesters remain as committed as those located at its parent site. At least 30 tents have remained in the park over the weekend. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/new-york-cops-defy-order-to-arre
st-hundreds-of-occupy-protesters/#.TqW4dxzEJpE.twitter

Then there's Anonymous:
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The collective activist group Anonymous has made a clear and concise statement after citing Fox News’ propaganda efforts against the Occupy Wall Street movement, to shut the station down. Anonymous, in a YouTube video specifically points out the talking points Fox repeatedly uses to denounce the movement in sweeping stereotypical generalizations such as, “filthy, disgusting and dirty” to describe the protesters.
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We are Anonymous. Fox News is now the target of Anonymous because of their continued propaganda against the Occupations. Those such as Sean Hannity are attacking the credentials as well as the character of the Occupiers at Wall Street, and this can no longer be allowed. Anonymous introduces Operation Fox Hunt. Anonymous intends on destroying the Fox News website because their continued right-wing conservative propaganda can no longer be tolerated. They use words such as filthy, disgusting and dirty to describe the protesters. Since they will not stop belittling the Occupiers, we will shut them down. On November 5th, we ask those who are able to commence attacks on Fox News. Anonymous will not only shut down Fox News, we will also engage in a propaganda campaign of our own to show them how it feels to be chastized. Fox News, your time has come. Operation Fox Hunt: November 5th, may the hunt begin.

Anonymous.

We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.”

If taking Fox News down isn’t enough, note where transcript states they “engage in a propaganda campaign of our own to show them how it feels to be chastised.” It’s mystifying that this knockdown effort hasn’t occurred previously given the disinformation which has spewed into homes across America since Fox News began as they forged their tirade against any politician not of the GOP party line.

Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Greta Van Sustern, Glenn Beck et al have fabricated ‘evidence’ to support their narrative. The distortions they present as ‘fair and balanced’ boggles the mind, yet propagandized Republicans consistently believe their ‘facts’ as gospel. In early 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States. Fox News has since taken every advantage of that ruling.

Just to help out, I thought we should give them a few suggestions:

Mitt Romney has a deep seated hatred toward black people.

Herman Cain is from Nigeria.

Rick Santorum, the transexual is trying to indoctrinate our children.

I’ll leave this for you to fill in for ‘fairness and balance’:

Michele Bachmann is_______.

Remember, remember the 5th of November. http://www.politicususa.com/en/anonymous-fox-news it possible the sleeping giant actually IS awakening? Remains to be seen if these are authentic organizations and how many will join, but won't it be funny if our righties are forced to call police and marines "druggies", "bums", "dangerous activists", etc.? Should be interesting to watch.

Oh, and one more little, albeit unrelated, one:
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DirecTV may pull plug on Fox shows

A dispute has broken out between News Corp owned Fox Networks and DirecTV Group, the largest U.S. satellite TV provider, over carriage fees that could potentially lead to DirecTV pulling the plug on Fox channels from Nov 1.

“(Fox) are currently asking our customers to pay 40 percent more for the exact same Fox channels that they already receive and that is simply unfair and unwarranted,” DirecTV said in a statement. More at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/22/directv-may-pull-plug-on-fox-sho
ws/

It's getting interesting out there, to say the least!

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Monday, October 24, 2011 10:00 AM

BYTEMITE


Yep, definitely paranoia I'm feeling.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 10:26 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Hooray for the Albany cops and the NY State Police.

What a change from the cops in the 60's, and what a change that'll bring in the attitude of the protesters.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 10:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Byte, dare I ask why you're feeling paranoid?

I don't know if it will change anything, NewOld (or was that a snark?), because in many other cities, the police are still behaving like they did in the 60s. We'll have to see.


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Monday, October 24, 2011 10:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Heaven forbid that the police actually police , or anything.

Rapes, shootings, vandalism, muggings...all are up in the areas around the Occupy zones. Maybe the cops should just up and leave completely, and let nature take its course.

And good to see that FOX news is being attacked. Nothing like trying to shut down the Free Press, huh ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, October 24, 2011 11:16 AM

BYTEMITE


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Byte, dare I ask why you're feeling paranoid?


Well, it's going to sound crazy (because it's paranoid), but even though I'd like to think that the marines and the police here really are genuine in their support, part of me is uneasy that they might be another front attempting to subvert the Occupy movement... Or the next stage in the movement, which was already planned.

And, I don't like Fox News myself, but if you take out Fox News, is that a precursor for a one-party system?

But this morning I was having some stress reactions, I don't know if this paranoia is just some remnant from that or part of those reactions.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 11:18 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rapes, shootings, vandalism, muggings...all are up in the areas around the Occupy zones. Maybe the cops should just up and leave completely, and let nature take its course.



Citation Needed!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 11:36 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rapes, shootings, vandalism, muggings...all are up in the areas around the Occupy zones. Maybe the cops should just up and leave completely, and let nature take its course.



Citation Needed!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.


I was going to comment the same thing, Nick. Any real stats anywhere?

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Monday, October 24, 2011 11:43 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Byte, dare I ask why you're feeling paranoid?

I don't know if it will change anything, NewOld (or was that a snark?), because in many other cities, the police are still behaving like they did in the 60s. We'll have to see.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






No snark at all, Niki. I've already expressed my pride in the Vets who are helping out, and I'm WAY glad to see local cops not gassing folks and not beating folks with clubs. I remember the 60's all too well, when mayors and police chiefs with political agendas turned the cops loose.

Good on the boys in blue, this time.
And if the protesters can just continue to not bad mouth the G I Joes, and not insult the cops, those guys will be on the right side this time.

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Monday, October 24, 2011 11:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I doubt it, just sounds like more RaptorSpeak to me. I haven't heard anything, but any major city has stuff happening, so he's got a safe bet saying that.

Of course, cops, Marines, etc., they're all druggies and felons too, if they support the Occupy movement...and cutting off funding for fire and police has nothing to do with it, naturally.

Byte, like I said I'm trying to find out who put up the OccupyPolice website, but have you checked the Bethlehem Police site? It's valid, been up for a long time, and IS run by the police. That one is for sure, and I really think it is being paranoid to think something shady is behind ALL this stuff. Why is that more sensible than that people everywhere are feeling the same things about what's going on, and more and more are finding their voices? That Marine in the video is certainly real, so why not others?


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Monday, October 24, 2011 11:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


NewOld, I believe the "official" OccupyWallStreet website is very clear about avoiding violence and speaking out against anyone who acts like an asshole. I'll have to find it again. I, too, SINCERELY hope they keep a lid on any trouble; if they let trouble happen, it only diminishes everything.


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Monday, October 24, 2011 12:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Update from the OccupyMarines website:
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This Came From A Marine Supporter:

We were asked today by a Naysayer to explain what OccupyMARINES are doing for OWS. We replied with a more accurate question to ask is what OccupyMARINES are not doing. OccupyMARINES are not sitting on our asses watching the 1% rip out the heart of America.

America Dialed 911 and We Stood Up, We Answered America’s Call.

We Have watched since September 17th this wondrous event unfold. We watched as this small demonstration took hold of the world and we quickly understood that they are not going away. So we listened more.

We listened to the demonstrators, we listened to the public respond and observed how quickly divided Americans’ were becoming. How these knucklehead Naysayers, day after day discredit what OWS is doing.

Well Nay-Sayers OccupyMARINES have a message for you. Continue sitting on your asses while the 1% laugh at you, lie to you, tell you to shut your soup coolers and mind your own business. Go ahead and quibble Naysayers while MARINES once again stand up for the future of America.

And when the day comes, when OWS hits history books across the world, and we alongside them; that day when someone asks you if you were there Nay-Sayers you are going to say: “No, I was to scared, I did not have the balls to fight for my country. I did not have the courage to confront the problems eroding America.”

“But I did feel confident enough to attack those brave souls that did stand up for America. I did fight to disregard their message.” Tell Them that when asked Naysayers, afterwards, return to your life remembering that you are insignificant to history. Do not worry Naysayers, the MARINES have your back….AGAIN.

We Support You America Keep Pushing Forward

A bit strong for my taste, but I understand the sentiment.

Also on their website, uner "OccupyMARINES Non-Active Military Supporters Disclaimer":
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OccupyMARINES Are Marines Not Currently Serving Actively And Ask That Military Supporters Participate Only If They Are Not Currently On Active Duty; Including Service Members Within The Individual Ready Reserves (IRR). OccupyMARINES Will Not, Have Not, Requested Our Brothers And Sisters Who Are Actively Serving Within The United States Armed Services To Dishonor Themselves By Participating With Us Or OWS. We Want Your Eyes Forward So That You All Return To Us Safely.
Their "Dress Code Disclaimer":
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Should Non-Active Military Supporters Present Themselves At Demonstrator Groups In Military Dress Uniform We Ask They Do Not Actively Participate With Group Activities; We Will Honor Our Military Uniforms And The Sacrifices Of Our Brothers And Sisters. Only Non-Dress Uniform Supporters Should Actively Participate.


And finally, their "Non-Violent Demonstration Disclaimer":
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OccupyMARINES Support In Its Entirety The OWS 8 Guidelines For Peaceful Demonstrations And Will Not Condone Any Violation Of The 8 Guidelines Present Within Our Website. OccupyMARINES Asks All Who Are In Support Of OWS, Our Mission, Our Message; Read, Understand, And Act Accordingly By The OWS 8.
By the way, Willie Nelson just spoke out (this was a link I found on the OccupyMARINES website: http://tasteofcountry.com/willie-nelson-occupy-wall-street/




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, October 24, 2011 12:22 PM

BYTEMITE


I don't know. I believe the Marine in the video was genuine, but I don't know if people are now taking advantage of that, and, well, sometimes things can be staged to provide an in. My paranoid side tells me "this is TOO convenient" while my regular side really wants to believe the best.

The Marine message to naysayers particularly raises my alarm. It's pure rhetoric and emotional manipulation. It tells me "something is going on, someone is trying to use exclusionary tactics and logical fallacies to persuade me, more must be going on with this than I can see at the moment."

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Monday, October 24, 2011 1:32 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Byte, its okay to not be sure of something and wait until you know more before you support it. I just hope that those paranoid feelings aren't interfereing too much with all the stuff you do every day. But its okay to want more info before saying whether you like something or not.

I like the idea of the approach that Occupy Marines is taking.

The Occupy Police one is something I'm not as sure about because if protestors do disobey the laws then the police do need to act accordingly and arrest, warn, etc. If the police are demonstrating with them then does that mean they won't arrest someone who's being violent? Or maybe the police are only joining in when they're off duty? I think that would be more apropriate. In that case I'm okay with it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, I have my own doubts about OccupyPolice. That one police department is more how I think it SHOULD go; "we'll show you respect as long as you don't break the law". I would love it if they all felt that way, and if they made it CLEAR like that, I think it would have an effect on the protesters to plice themselves, too. I know the comments on that website--and it shows up elsewhere--are highly respectful and grateful.

As to the website, we'll have to wait and see, but yes, I question it too. The Marines, however, I'm buying until I find out otherwise.


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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Quote:


Raymond Flynn to Occupy Boston: ‘Time to pack up... and leave'

Calls for end to tent city as crime spikes



A confrontation with a knife-wielding junkie at Occupy Boston and rampant thefts have tensions simmering between the protesters and the homeless, prompting Mayor Thomas M. Menino’s predecessor to say it’s high time for police to clear the tent city.

“It’s causing disruptions to public order,” former Mayor Raymond L. Flynn told the Herald. “They should have been given one day — 24 hours and that’s it. They have to be removed.”

Asked how he’d handle the encampment — which Menino has been willing to tolerate so far — Flynn said: “I’d walk down there with the police commissioner and I’d say, ‘Look, you’ve done your thing, but please respect the laws of this city. It’s time to pack up, clean up and leave.’”



http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_1020time
_to_pack_up__and_leave_flynn_calls_for_end_to_tent_city_as_
crime_spikes/srvc=home&position=0



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:48 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

This certainly represents a statistical trend and overall increase in crime. One violent maniac always represents the majority. This is why guns need to be banned to protect the citizenry.

RaptorLogic (tm)

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yeah, I'd expect the standard head in the ground response from the occupy whiners on here.

Lots of stories of violence, vandalism,( rampant thefts ) etc.. are popping up, despite the media's reluctance to report the truth.

A man wields a knife, and you say guns should be banned.

AnthonyLogic, right there.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:18 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I think the ability to hold multiple contradictory ideas simultaneously is related not to the individual's incapacity of connecting the dots, but rather to the bizarre belief that there is no reason related dots should be connected at all.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I like cake too, but not every day.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:34 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

A man wields a knife, and you say guns should be banned.


That's... not what he was saying. Like at all.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:

A man wields a knife, and you say guns should be banned.


That's... not what he was saying. Like at all.



Yeah, it is.

Because, he, like you , choose to ignore the point being made, and shown, that with these 'protests', comes increased acts of violence, vandalism, robbery, as well as sanitary problems.


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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:46 AM

BYTEMITE


On the specific point I addressed, that was not what he said. I said nothing about the conditions of the Occupy Party or their behaviour.

Quote:

like you


Don't pull me into misunderstandings, and don't feed me red herring.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


red herring order cancelled.

My only point was that, if you'd followed the thread, the specific point Anthony brought up was, itself a red herring to the bigger point I was talking about, that of the general chaos and stress being caused ( intentionally, is my guess ) by the OWS / Obamaville camps, where ever they pop up.


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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:15 AM

BYTEMITE


Yeah, okay, fair.

But I was just saying, I think he was comparing your thoughts on booting out protesters for the bad behaviour of a few to someone wanting to ban guns for the bad behaviour of a few. I don't think he was ACTUALLY supporting a gun ban.

Maybe everyone knows that and I'm just being captain obvious or something. ._.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:41 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because, he, like you , choose to ignore the point being made, and shown, that with these 'protests', comes increased acts of violence, vandalism, robbery, as well as sanitary problems.




Do you even read the link you provide? Yes there has been some crime in those areas. You failed to see the part where it states that a number of them have been homeless people not affiliated with the protests. It is the protesters themselves that are the victim of these crimes.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yeah, okay, fair.

But I was just saying, I think he was comparing your thoughts on booting out protesters for the bad behaviour of a few to someone wanting to ban guns for the bad behaviour of a few. I don't think he was ACTUALLY supporting a gun ban.

Maybe everyone knows that and I'm just being captain obvious or something. ._.



Aye aye, Cap'n.

Many are watching at how the OWS crowds are being treated by the local govts. Many of these parks which are being occupied are suppose to close at sunset, and yet these folks are breaking the law by taking over property which isn't theirs. Also, what permits are being filed ? What fines have been collected ? The TEA party rallies filed and paid for all the proper paperwork, and now they're seeing how similar laws are NOT being enforced for the OWS gang. Looks to me that precedent is being set for all sorts of folks to rally and not have to pay for a damn thing. With so many local govts low on $, how will they be able to turn a blind eye at one group, but not another ? Oh, and if they continue this selective enforcement, do they have the $ needed for when law suits start getting filed ?

By allowing this nonsense to continue, there's only bad which will follow. Which is exactly what these radicals behind all this want. They WANT '68 Chicago riots, all over again. This is purely astro turfed, by design, with so many useful idiots being played for the fools they are.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:52 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Aye aye, Cap'n.

Many are watching at how the OWS crowds are being treated by the local govts. Many of these parks which are being occupied are suppose to close at sunset, and yet these folks are breaking the law by taking over property which isn't theirs. Also, what permits are being filed ? What fines have been collected ? The TEA party rallies filed and paid for all the proper paperwork, and now they're seeing how similar laws are NOT being enforced for the OWS gang. Looks to me that precedent is being set for all sorts of folks to rally and not have to pay for a damn thing. With so many local govts low on $, how will they be able to turn a blind eye at one group, but not another ? Oh, and if they continue this selective enforcement, do they have the $ needed for when law suits start getting filed ?

By allowing this nonsense to continue, there's only bad which will follow. Which is exactly what these radicals behind all this want. They WANT '68 Chicago riots, all over again. This is purely astro turfed, by design, with so many useful idiots being played for the fools they are.



It is called civil disobedience, and it has a long history in the US.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:53 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup Nick. Me, I'd like to see some facts on the "escalating" "acts of violence, vandalism, robbery". I don't think they can be provided, so I'm not going to pay further attention to the attempt to demonize, which is all Raptor has done from Day One here, I suspect.

Let's see. First off, the NYPD police force has been drastically cut because of budget restraints:
Quote:

Hammered by budget cuts, the NYPD will field its smallest force by the middle of next year than at any time since 1992 -- raising fears that, with fewer cops on the beat, a resurgence of crime could return to the city.

The city's Independent Budget Office projected yesterday that by June 30, 2012, the Police Department will have shrunk to 34,413 uniformed personnel, a record low since the 34,825 that were on the force on that same date 20 years ago when crime rates in the city were near epic highs. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_cop_count_sinking_to_FePPPuqEO
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, because there are fewer police, and so MANY are being wasted at Wall Street, yes, crime is up:
Quote:

On Tuesday, The New York Post reported that violent crime in New York City is increasing dramatically in the last month since the Occupy Wall Street protests have drained NYPD resources and forced officers to monitor the protesters rather than notorious "hot spots" around the city.

As many as 3,000 police are on call at Occupy Wall Street to keep the peace at any given time; about 10 percent of the entire police force. http://www.ology.com/politics/occupy-wall-street-contributing-increase
-violent-crime
other words, the bureaucrats are pulling 3,000 of their DIMINISHED police force to WATCH a group of protesters who haven't been violent...yet. Good logic.

And how much actual violence have the PROTESTERS committed, as opposed to the police themselves?
Quote:

Wednesday's Occupy Wall Street march through Lower Manhattan, which gathered protesters, community groups, unions and students, ended with violence as police say about 28 people were arrested and officers had to use nightsticks.

Some protesters said they were beaten and even pepper sprayed by police.
.....
On Saturday, more than 700 protesters were arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge roadway, after NYPD officers claimed the demonstrators were illegally blocking traffic.

Many protesters countered with the claim that they were misled onto the roadway by officers.

On September 24, about a week after the start of the protest, video was released online that showed NYPD officers using pepper spray on protesters near Union Square who had marched from Zuccotti Park.

Police officials claim those marchers were blocking traffic and did not have a permit to march. http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/148372/violence-follows-occupy-
wall-street-march
]

Here's a bit of the violence on Wall Street



Man with camera slammed to the ground; woman on ground pulled by her hair.



How about a guy, doing nothing but shouting, wrestled to the ground with a KNEE ON HIS NECK?



We know about the pepper-spraying (which has been proven and the cop who did it lost ten whole days of vacation time, poor baby.)

I could post a hundred of 'em, and you know it. I saw quite a few, and most were comprised of police acting out and demonstrators standing peacefully around changing "shame! shame!", you know, like that Marine? In NONE did I see any protesters making any violent advances on police. Every ONE has multiple instances of police hitting, punching, ramming to the ground, pepper spraying (yes, it happened more than once) and otherwise assaulting protesters.

ABC News:
Quote:

Among the video clips on the Occupy Wall Street website is one that shows a police officer macing a group of young women penned in by orange netting.
.....
Another video has circulated of a police officer throwing a protester to the ground, though it is not clear why. The video shows the man standing in what seems to be a non-threatening manner before the incident.
.....
The website reported at least one protestor was arrested for taking photographs. An NYPD spokesman told ABC News Saturday that police were not targeting those with cameras. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/09/occupy-wall-street-prote
sts-turn-violent-video-shows-police-macing-women/
to that last, there are myriad shots and videos of police doing precisely that...throwing people to the ground who have cameras, so that's an out-and-out lie.

Tho' I know you won't, you should cut the bullshit and get real; the violence being done has been by the POLICE, not the protesters.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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