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Why ron paul has ZERO chance to win the republican presidential primary
Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:30 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:1. His foreign policy ideas are simply the same recycled bad ideas that Jimmy Carter had. A foreign policy of ”let’s hide our head in the sand like an ostrich and blame big bad America and hope that everyone leaves us alone” is not only ignorant, but also dangerous for our country. And the big winners in last November’s elections were the ones who espoused ”american exceptionalism”, not the ones who espoused ”anti-american apologism”. Now I will admit Ron Paul’s foreign policy message would go over well with the Code Pink/Dennis Kucinich voters, but those type of people tend to be Democrats, not Republicans. One of my facebook friends put it best when he said ”if Ron Paul had been president during World War 2, we would all be speaking German now”. 2. He has no real political power. And this was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in 2008. Yes, he can win any ONLINE presidential poll. So what. In 2007 the paulbots hijacked the same online polls and Ron Paul won them all. His followers then posed articles all over the internet touting his candidacy. He then suckered his gullible followers telling them that the ”polls showed he could win” and send to him money. Then came the 2008 primaries. Out of the 50 states that were availible for Ron Paul to win, guess how many he won? ZERO. And that is spelled Z-E-R-O. Now let’s go to the present day. His internet saavy paulbots are again winning all the online and straw polls for their idol. His followers are again posting articles about him like he actually has a legitimate chance to win. Next is going to come the annual ”moneybomb” when Ron Paul once again fleeces his followers by pointing out that he is ahead in the polls and has a chance to win this time. But their delusional fantasy is going to run into a buzzsaw called Republican primary voters. Paul got absolutely destroyed when he ran in 1988, got whipped by John McCain in 2008, and he will be a three time loser in 2012. 3. There are plenty of people who are ”one issue voters” in politics. And in the Republican party there are plenty of people that ”opposition to islam” is the one issue they feel strongly about. You can go to any anti islam or conservative jewish site and see that the two politicians that are diliked the most are Obama and Ron Paul. Ron Paul has said ”I don’t believe for one minute the religion of islam is our enemy”. And Paul also attacked the Sunshine Patriots for their oppostion to the ground zero mosque. Now i am not going to debate the muslim issue here, but the fact that a decent sized voting group in your own party considers you one of their main foes is certainly not good news for your campaign. Now to be fair, you will get the people who think Israel is oppressing Palestine and the pro muslim agenda voters will be on Paul’s side. The only problem with that is almost all of that crowd are Democrats who support Obama. 4. Let’s look at Ron Paul’s position on crack cocaine and heroin. Now I am totally fine with legalizing pot and prostitution in any state if the voters want it. If somebody wants to get laid or smoke a joint it sure isn’t any of my business. But we are talking about legalizing hard drugs because Ron Paul says that the government is unconstitutionally sticking its nose in peoples business by not allowing it. I say once it becomes legal, who is going to cover the costs of the people that get addicted to it to go to rehab or treatment centers. And please don’t say the addict. Probably the government will have to. Great, now here comes a great big expansion of government to fight the drug war that was ”caused by the tea party candidate”. Which by the way, I as a taxpayer will have to cover. Increased police and court costs etc, etc. But the issue isn’t what I think or Ron Paul thinks, the issue is what does the Republican primary voter think of this policy. The ”religious right” will certainly oppose it full force. And I would think that anyone that has had a family member suffer through the addiction process will be opposed to it. That’s two groups opposed. Of course, Paul will pick up the ”left wing hippie” vote and the anarchists vote. Except the left wing hippies are already card carrying members of the Democratic party. And all the anarchists who want to overthrow big bad America are already his supporters. 5. If he were alive today, Ronald Reagan would strongly oppose him. Reagan believed in spending generously on our national defense and certainly had an interventionist foreign policy. And according to the Ron Paul playbook, that would make the greatest president of my era ”a neocon”. Their policies and beliefs are totally and completely different. Naturally Ron Paul’s followers will attempt to hide that fact by showing you an old video of Ronald Reagan praising Ron Paul as a candidate and using that as proof that Ronald Reagan would support Ron Paul in 2012. Now watch me dismantle that silly argument!!! Does anyone remember Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania? Arlen was the senator that everyone on tea party and conservative sites called a liberal RINO. He was challenged by a tea party backed conservative in the primary named Pat Toomey and when Specter saw how opposed conservatives were to his candidacy he changed parties to Democrat. He voted for TARP, Obama’s socialized health care plan, and was pro affirmative action and amnesty. Yet, Reagan praised him as a true conservative back in the 1980's and even cut a campaign ad for him. But go ask a Pennsylvania tea partier what they think of Specter today. LOL. If you were a House or Senate member, and of course running as a Republican, Ronald Reagan would praise you as a candidate for office. That’s part of what a sitting president does for members of his party. But rather than look at a 30 year old video let’s look at Ron Paul has to say about Ronald Reagan. In 1987, Ron Paul wrote a letter to Frank Fahrenkopf, chairman of the Republican National Committee, starting that he wanted to totally publically disassociate himself with the policies of Ronald Reagan(funny but he yet to publically disassociate with the 9-11 truther movement or Code Pink). He later told the Dallas Morning News that the presidency of Ronald Reagan was a ”dramatic failure”. OK, let’s take a look at the political success of both politicians and decide if that is true. In 2008 Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary for president. He got 5% of the vote. In other words, 19 OUT OF 20 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY VOTERS DID NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE LAST ELECTION. In 1984, Ronald Reagan was reelected as the president of the United States in a landslide, winning 49 out of 50 states, and his 525 electoral votes were the the most of any candidate in American history. Hmmm, I think we have to score this one for the Gipper. 6. Illegal Immigration. According to the highly respected anti immigation group NUMBERS USA, Ron Paul has the lowest grade of any Republican presidential candidate out there, coming in with an F. Naturally, his paulbots try to put a spin on this by saying ”welfare and benefit programs should be unconsititutional so illegal immigrants wont come here”. If Ron Paul threw puppies off a tall building his hynoptized followers would be applauding and yelling it was ”constitutional”. That argument wont cut it with the voters. Polls overwhelmingly show that Americans are in favor of closing our borders and against all forms of amnesty. And that really holds true with Republican voters. April has posted articles by former Ron Paul allies like Tom Tancrdeo that blast Paul on the immigration issue. Yet again, Ron Paul thinks like a liberal Democrat, and in fact even has the same ”F” grade that NUMBERS USA gave Obama. 7. Paul’s pork problem. One thing career politicians learn to do is talk conservative while picking the taxpayers pocket for money. And ”Porkulus Paul” has this shady routine down pat. First of all, let’s go back to last November’s elections to get the proper perspective on this issue. The Republicans destroyed the Democrats on November 3 due to the energy and votes of the tea party!!!!! Now the tea party came in and deservedly wanted to flex it muscles. And decided to take a principled stand against the unethical practice of pork(earmarks). The fight against earmarks was led by the Tea Party Patriots(TPP) and other tea party and conservative groups against the pork loving Democrats. In fact, TPP leader Mark Meckler considered this such an important issue that he promised to run a tea party challenger against any Republican that accepted them. “We’ll do what we always do,” said Meckler. “Our members will put immense pressure on every senator to vote against earmarks. This is a fundamental issue — it’s both substantive and symbolic. Will they vote against the politics of the past or are they still stuck in it? This is a vote that will never go away, like TARP. Tea Partiers have long memories. Politicians have always taken advantage of the fact that voters have short memories, but we’ll know, we’ll remember, and in 2012 when they have aggressive, well-funded primary challengers, they’ll know why.” Then it came out that a Republican asked for 150 MILLION DOLLARS IN PORK FOR HIS DISTRICT!!! Surely this was a RINO. Maybe Olympia Snowe or Scott Brown? No, it was actually Ron Paul. U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium. Paul sent 41 earmark requests totaling $157,093,544 for the 2011 Fiscal Year. http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2011/06/21/why-ron-paul-has-zero-chance-to-win-the-republican-presidential-primary/
Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:01 AM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: As I've said before, for me, he has some good ideas...he just takes them right over a cliff.
Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:39 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:52 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:27 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: Funny how The Operative and her Masters at the Kosher Federal Reserve Bank are terrified of Dr Paul US Citizen....
Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:56 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Monday, October 31, 2011 5:47 AM
Quote:Authoritarian followers score highly on the Dangerous World scale, and it’s not just because some of the items have a religious context. High RWAs are, in general, more afraid than most people are. They got a “2 for 1 Special Deal” on fear somehow. Maybe they’ve inherited genes that incline them to fret and tremble. Maybe not. But we do know that they were raised by their parents to be afraid of others, because both the parents and their children tell us so. http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf]
Monday, October 31, 2011 6:19 AM
Quote:Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul said Sunday his proposed plan to phase out federal student loans would lower the costs of a college education, making it more affordable for those wanting to attend. “Anybody who’s ambitious enough will get to go to college,” Paul said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
Quote:“The responsibility is on the individual and the family to take care of their needs, not the federal bureaucracy. It just doesn’t work,” Paul said. When asked if he would agree that some people in the United States “need federal help,” Paul told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley that there are “always some needs, the market isn’t perfect.” http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/30/ron-paul-defends-eventual-end-to-federal-student-loans/...
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Monday, October 31, 2011 2:59 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, October 31, 2011 3:03 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The reason why RP has zero chanced to win the REPUBLICAN primary is bc he would so threaten TPTB that he would be discredited or killed before he even came close. That is the same reason that he would never get anywhere as an Independent either. As for the teabaggers..... they are so in line with TPTB that no one would ever think to even react to them.
Monday, October 31, 2011 3:29 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, October 31, 2011 3:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Votes are meaningless, Nick. Look up the sad, sordid tale of Victor L Berger for a good example of what HAPPENS when the will of the people via the ballot box gets in the way of the plans of the existing establishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_L._Berger If they can IGNORE our vote, what's the point of us having one ? It's a goddamn puppet show, is what it is. -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Monday, October 31, 2011 4:20 PM
Monday, October 31, 2011 5:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: There is a rich history of voter fraud and the stealing of elections. That however is not the norm. Unless you can show how every election is fixed.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 2:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: They don't NEED to fix every election. They just need to fix the few elections that are not going the way they want. The fact that they can and DO fix elections, and the possibility that they CAN fix any election they wish to, makes the whole exercise politically meaningless.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 2:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Becuase people have been able to steal a few does not mean they can fix any election they wish. There are far to many people that work at these elections and far to many election offices for that to work.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 3:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: There weren't a lot of people that worked at the elections they DID fix? Please explain what special conditions existed in the elections that were fixed that aren't present in normal elections.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 4:15 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:One of my facebook friends put it best when he said ”if Ron Paul had been president during World War 2, we would all be speaking German now”.
Quote:He then suckered his gullible followers telling them that the ”polls showed he could win” and send to him money. Then came the 2008 primaries. Out of the 50 states that were availible for Ron Paul to win, guess how many he won? ZERO. And that is spelled Z-E-R-O.
Quote:but the fact that a decent sized voting group in your own party considers you one of their main foes is certainly not good news for your campaign.
Quote:But we are talking about legalizing hard drugs because Ron Paul says that the government is unconstitutionally sticking its nose in peoples business by not allowing it. I say once it becomes legal, who is going to cover the costs of the people that get addicted to it to go to rehab or treatment centers.
Quote:If he were alive today, Ronald Reagan would strongly oppose him. Reagan believed in spending generously on our national defense and certainly had an interventionist foreign policy. And according to the Ron Paul playbook, that would make the greatest president of my era ”a neocon”.
Quote:In 2008 Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary for president. He got 5% of the vote.
Quote:According to the highly respected anti immigation (sic) group NUMBERS USA
Quote:The Republicans destroyed the Democrats on November 3 due to the energy and votes of the tea party!!!!
Quote:U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 4:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: They don't NEED to fix every election. They just need to fix the few elections that are not going the way they want. The fact that they can and DO fix elections, and the possibility that they CAN fix any election they wish to, makes the whole exercise politically meaningless. Becuase people have been able to steal a few does not mean they can fix any election they wish. There are far to many people that work at these elections and far to many election offices for that to work. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 5:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here's the thing, though - you don't have to rig ALL the election offices, or ALL the voting machines; you only need to rig a few, in just the right key areas. A few votes in Florida that swing the wrong way, or a few machines unavailable in urban areas of Ohio, and you've managed to swing an entire national election.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 5:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: The ones that have been thought to be "stolen" such as the presidential election of 1876 and the 2000 where close elections.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:29 AM
Quote:That is also a good argument in doing away with the electoral system and going to a popular vote.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here's the thing, though - you don't have to rig ALL the election offices, or ALL the voting machines; you only need to rig a few, in just the right key areas. A few votes in Florida that swing the wrong way, or a few machines unavailable in urban areas of Ohio, and you've managed to swing an entire national election. Sure, but again only if the election in those states is going to be close.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:51 AM
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 7:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: Congressman Dr Ron Paul MD, father of US Senator Dr Rand Paul MD, wins 82% landslide at GOP straw poll in Iowa http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=50083
Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:45 AM
Quote:Becuase people have been able to steal a few does not mean they can fix any election they wish. There are far to many people that work at these elections and far to many election offices for that to work.
Wednesday, November 2, 2011 4:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The results were that the hanging chad issue wouldn't have made any difference at all. HOWEVER, of the counties which had electronic voting... the wealthy counties, in which there was no question of the vote.... some would have swung to Gore, definitively, and would have changed the results of the vote.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: In 2004, six states showed significant pro-Bush discrepancies between the polling done after voting, and the results of the votes themselves. The six states had several things in common: They were battleground states, they all had electronic voting, and they all swung for Bush, Independent university statisticians looked at this discrepancy, taking a number of historical factors into account: the accuracy of exit polls, the margin of error in voting, the fact that the "error" showed a universal bias (towards Bush) and so forth, and the result they came out with was the the results could ONLY be explained by FRAUD. There are a whole number of technical ways this can be done, explained by Black Box Voting. In sum the vote machine and the vote counting machines are incredibly porous.
Wednesday, November 2, 2011 5:09 AM
Wednesday, November 2, 2011 4:47 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: In the end, an election was decided in the courthouse instead of the polling place. The moment the courts ruled on the issue, the actual ballots themselves became pointless. I hated that election cycle because the moment the courts made a decision on the issue, nobody's votes mattered. --Anthony
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