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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:20 PM

The Verse In Numbers 2.0 is complete and available for download at:

http://pics.fireflyprops.net/TVIN-2.0.pdf

TVIN2.0 has been expanded to include additional astronomical data and fan-created content. A new page layout by William Pace (Yellowjacket) means it's pretty as well.

J. Chris Bourdier

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:30 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Awsome, thanks!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:40 AM

BYTEMITE

Ooh. The first one was really cool. I wonder if they've made updates and corrections based on the Blue Ray extras, like I remember in the white pages they said that Persephone was an Alliance planet, but in the Blue Ray extras it was one of the three main Independent Border planets.

(Which makes sense, if you think about it, because Persephone probably had some entrenched underworld and maybe mafia interests with a sense of humour right from the terraforming, otherwise it's difficult to explain the name, and those underworld interests would NOT want the Alliance stepping all over their toes... Though they'd also be a planet to play both sides and quickly fold under as well, which is why there's little observable damage)

And Yellowjacket contributed, very cool!

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:50 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Astro-freaking-gorgeous. Do you guys sleep? Ever? Thank you!

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:41 AM

YELLOWJACKET

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
And Yellowjacket contributed, very cool!

Thank you.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Astro-freaking-gorgeous. Do you guys sleep? Ever? Thank you!

In four hour shifts. We were so close to completion last night that Chris stayed up until almost 4 his time and 2 my time.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:15 PM

ELECTRICLION

My info from QMx had it that Persephone was an Alliance world, so that's how I've presented her in The Verse In Numbers.

I haven't picked up the Firefly blu-ray yet, but I will soon. So that's why anything blu-ray specific is absent.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:46 PM

BYTEMITE

No problem. I'm just reporting what I've seen and speculating on whys. It could very well be a ret-con, or a mistake on the part of the people compiling the blue ray extras, or even a mistake on my part.

But that Blue ray is really neat. Lots of tasty information, like Kaylee's hometown (or maybe her homeworld, but I like it being her hometown), and birthday information, and a few relevant dates.

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Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:52 AM

YELLOWJACKET

And introducing the updated companion piece to The Verse in Numbers...

The ARC of the Verse.

http://pics.fireflyprops.net/PACE-ARC-2.0.pdf

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Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:07 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Very nice! Thank you.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, November 7, 2011 11:45 PM

SUASOR

Fascinating stuff, and so much of it. However, I was unable to find anything on how all those close-together stars (the "verse" appears to be less than 100 billion kilometers in diameter) appear from the various planets. The closest stars to earth (other than the sun) are over 40,000 billion light years away, and do not stand out in the night sky. Has anyone done anything on this aspect of the verse?

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by Suasor:
Fascinating stuff, and so much of it. However, I was unable to find anything on how all those close-together stars (the "verse" appears to be less than 100 billion kilometers in diameter) appear from the various planets. The closest stars to earth (other than the sun) are over 40,000 billion light years away, and do not stand out in the night sky. Has anyone done anything on this aspect of the verse?

Alpha Centauri is only about 4.4 light years away from us. It is a triple star system made up of Alpha Centauri A and B and Proxima Centauri.

So while the Verse may not be possible, it is not that far from reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_star

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:51 AM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by Suasor:
Fascinating stuff, and so much of it. However, I was unable to find anything on how all those close-together stars (the "verse" appears to be less than 100 billion kilometers in diameter) appear from the various planets. The closest stars to earth (other than the sun) are over 40,000 billion light years away, and do not stand out in the night sky. Has anyone done anything on this aspect of the verse?

Actually, I've done luminosity calculations based on the distances of the planets to their respective suns.

The far suns from the planets around the helioformed gas giants will look like tiny points of light, barely brighter than stars. Similarly, helioformed gas giants will look like stars or very bright planets as well, even from the edge planets on the main solar disks. However, planets close to their respective sun or helioformed gas giant get QUITE a bit of light.

For example, either the planet "Shadow" was meant as a nominal joke, or the proximity to Murphy makes for a very stormy weather pattern. I calculated midday brightness on Shadow to be about 6 times the amount we get from the sun. Make sure you wear UV protection if you ever visit! Not that you would, because it's blackrock now.

I'm guessing that in order for the very far planets to be habitable, gravity technology similar to helioforming has been used to compress them from their original size and that most of the surface heat is coming from the geothermal gradient.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:36 AM

SUASOR

The current thinking is that multi-star systems are very common, much more so than was previously thought. Joss appears to have been ahead of the curve on that one, by at least a few years.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:38 AM

SUASOR

The other important element is the gravitational effects. The stable orbits could take some strange shapes.

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Quote:
Originally posted by Suasor:
Fascinating stuff, and so much of it. However, I was unable to find anything on how all those close-together stars (the "verse" appears to be less than 100 billion kilometers in diameter) appear from the various planets. The closest stars to earth (other than the sun) are over 40,000 billion light years away, and do not stand out in the night sky. Has anyone done anything on this aspect of the verse?

Actually, I've done luminosity calculations based on the distances of the planets to their respective suns.

The far suns from the planets around the helioformed gas giants will look like tiny points of light, barely brighter than stars. Similarly, helioformed gas giants will look like stars or very bright planets as well, even from the edge planets on the main solar disks. However, planets close to their respective sun or helioformed gas giant get QUITE a bit of light.

For example, either the planet "Shadow" was meant as a nominal joke, or the proximity to Murphy makes for a very stormy weather pattern. I calculated midday brightness on Shadow to be about 6 times the amount we get from the sun. Make sure you wear UV protection if you ever visit! Not that you would, because it's blackrock now.

I'm guessing that in order for the very far planets to be habitable, gravity technology similar to helioforming has been used to compress them from their original size and that most of the surface heat is coming from the geothermal gradient.

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Monday, November 21, 2011 2:07 PM

FORRESTWOLF

Both TVN and the ARC are absolutely amazing. Thank you so much from yet another fan obsessed with the astronomy of Firefly. I still remember watching Train Job when it first aired and being overjoyed to see a science fiction show where the entire "verse" took place in one solar system (okay, a 5-star system, but still).

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Monday, November 28, 2011 5:51 PM

YELLOWJACKET

Thank you for the compliments.

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Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:24 PM

YELLOWJACKET

Out of curiosity, how many people here use the Verse in Numbers as a regular reference material for gaming, story writing, etc?

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Friday, January 20, 2012 6:22 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Out of curiosity, how many people here use the Verse in Numbers as a regular reference material for gaming, story writing, etc?

I use it fairly frequently.

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Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:57 AM

SHADOWTEK

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowjacket:
And introducing the updated companion piece to The Verse in Numbers...

The ARC of the Verse.

http://pics.fireflyprops.net/PACE-ARC-2.0.pdf

Now This is very cool!! Thanks for both of the guides!!

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Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:04 AM

YELLOWJACKET

You're welcome. It's a labor of love.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 2:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I have not yet seen V2.0
Need to check if Ito Moon, Kowlon Fed Base, Kowlonski, Beaumonde, or any of the other anomolies have changed.

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:44 AM

YELLOWJACKET

The Verse In Numbers has been updated to version 2.01. There were some small additions and corrections from the last version.

http://pics.fireflyprops.net/TVIN-2.01.pdf

We're already working on another update, so we're naming asteroids in the HALO belt around WHITE SUN. Anyone wishing to name an asteroid should drop the names here. Please see the VIN for examples and the region names in HALO where you'd like the asteroids placed.

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:40 PM

EBFIDDLER

This is absolutely wonderful work. Thanks for all your work on this project, and thanks for posting the links. I hadn't been using this before for story writing, but I certainly shall!

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Friday, March 23, 2012 2:38 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowjacket:
The Verse In Numbers has been updated to version 2.01. We're already working on another update, so . . .

Mr Universe's moon needs a nickname. I like Sygnus.

Yellowjacket also liked Sygnus, when he wrote:

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I'll put that in the hopper for the next update of the ARC as well. I like the name. www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=50808#879695

After Reavers crash-landed there because of the big space battle with the Alliance, the moon became known as Sickness, the alternative pronunciation of Sygnus. It is the most dangerous place in the Universe. The population is no longer zero; it has an unknown number of Reavers hidden in its abandoned mines and uranium ore processing buildings.

TVIN-2.01.pdf has two names for Mr Universe's moon :
Cortex Relay Station Ring 2 - Station 2E
A/2260(White Sun)r25m9

Those are not so easy to remember as the nicknames Sygnus / Sickness.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 4:23 AM

YELLOWJACKET

That's one I thought I'd already changed. I'll get it into the next version.

The two names that exist now are the official Alliance Designation and the scientific catalog number, but I'll add in Sygnus.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 5:27 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowjacket:
I'll add in Sygnus.

For inspiring stories, the population of Sygnus is no longer zero with “Mr. Universe (deceased).” There is an unknown but very large number of Reavers marooned on Mr Universe's moon.

Think of the possible stories that could be told. It is the one place in the 'Verse where you are guaranteed to see Reavers. It is a wildlife preserve where the tigers eat the tourists.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, March 23, 2012 11:00 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

I would like to name one in Hippolyta's Belt after may mom. Judith N., she passed away earlier this year. The numbering does not matter.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:18 PM

YELLOWJACKET

I'll be sure to add it in. Thank you.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:24 PM

YELLOWJACKET

If you would like to name an asteroid, please include the name you'd like to be credited under.

So far we have Archangel Station, Tora 371 and Judith N. for new asteroids in Halo.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:58 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

For mine you can credit using my real name, Matthew A. Nickerson.

Thank you, Yellowjacket.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 5:04 PM

YELLOWJACKET

The first few by region, name and scientific designation:
Goblin Valley - Tora 371 - A/2260(White Sun)0010b
Hippolyta's Belt - Judith-N - A/2260(White Sun)00500
Santiam - Archangel Station - A/2260(White Sun)009a1

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Monday, April 30, 2012 9:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowjacket:
Out of curiosity, how many people here use the Verse in Numbers as a regular reference material for gaming, story writing, etc?

Sorry I did not respond to this earlier. I use it all the time for my story writing.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, April 30, 2012 8:07 PM

YELLOWJACKET

Quote:
Originally posted by NINURTA:

I've been using it to create an add-on for Celestia. Here are a couple of examples of what I've got so far-

an overview of the entire system:

http://www.mediafire.com/i/?8v8nxhu6v1hh6ac

Miranda in the background, Caliban in the foreground:

http://www.mediafire.com/i/?ctd46jwy6cc38h0

That's awesome.

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Sorry I did not respond to this earlier. I use it all the time for my story writing.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

I'm glad to see that it's being used for many different purposes.

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Monday, July 30, 2012 2:43 PM

YELLOWJACKET

This is another call for asteroid names. We're naming the asteroids of the Halo Asteroid Belt around White Sun in the Core. Please feel free to send names our way and stake a little claim in the Verse.

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