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Hope none of y'all are Penn State football fans... this'll just make ya sick.
Monday, November 7, 2011 9:44 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Two top Penn State officials charged with covering up allegations of an explosive child-sex abuse scandal related to former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky vacated their positions Sunday after an emergency meeting of the university's Board of Trustees. Penn State athletic director Tim Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges, university president Graham Spanier said. Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, will step down and go back into retirement, Spanier said. He declined to comment to reporters after the meeting. Resignations of famed football coach Joe Paterno and Spanier were not discussed at the meeting, which was arranged Sunday and lasted two hours, university spokesman Bill Mahon said. Curley and Schultz were charged Saturday after a grand jury investigation of Sandusky, who has charged with sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years. Lawyers for all three men have said their clients are innocent. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7201952/penn-state-nittany-lions-tim-curley-takes-leave-gary-schultz-steps-amid-scandal?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Monday, November 7, 2011 10:14 AM
BYTEMITE
Monday, November 7, 2011 10:28 AM
STORYMARK
Monday, November 7, 2011 1:43 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Heard about that over the weekend. It's pretty sick. They're charging the administrators, and I think they probably were covering it up. Harassment of some kind or another is probably pretty widespread even among college teams though. Whether it's pedophiles or someone buying female "entertainment" for the team. I hope that my team doesn't engage in it, but, and this is me speaking as a Ute fan, if it can happen at BYU with their honor code, it can happen anywhere. The only difference is other places won't punish their players for bad behaviour.
Monday, November 7, 2011 1:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: His autobiography just took on a new meaning.... "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Monday, November 7, 2011 2:39 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Monday, November 7, 2011 2:44 PM
Monday, November 7, 2011 3:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: I thought homosexual pedophila was a Constitutional right?
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:48 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:41 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:36 AM
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:50 AM
HERO
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 12:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Its important when we hear stories like this that we all take a moment, sit back and consider and then rush to judgement and presume guilt. H
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:14 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:30 AM
CUDA77
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: Head coach Joe Paterno to step down...at the end of the season of course.
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:21 PM
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:10 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:41 PM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:37 AM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:12 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:44 AM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: And students rioting because they love JP as much as they love their football program? Jimminy, where are their priorities? I've heard that there could be upwards of 20 kids molested over 15 years... these were young at-risk boys kids brought into Sandusky's "care" for a stardust trip though the campus, the football games, the football program, and the football showers and Sandusky's home for a nice sleepover. Talk about a conveyor of boys ripe for the picking! The rioting students should be ashamed of themselves. The abuse makes me sick, but the student reaction makes me sicker.
Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:28 AM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:36 AM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:26 AM
Quote:By Teresa Masterson NBCPhiladelphia.com It is strange that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar never prosecuted Jerry Sandusky on child-rape charges 13 years ago, some speculate, because Gricar was known for being fiercely independent and hard on crime. But it is even stranger that we cannot ask Gricar why Sandusky was not put behind bars, because the tough-as-nails district attorney disappeared in 2005. And though he was declared dead July of this year, his body has never been found. "People ask why Ray did not prosecute, and I have no problem saying, because he clearly felt he didn't have a case for a 'successful' prosecution," Tony Gricar, Ray Gricar’s nephew , told The Patriot-News. "... One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden to no one, was not a politician." This district attorney had “a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach,” according to his nephew, and never prosecuted Sandusky. He disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive. Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News. Ray Gricar’s friend, Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., told the New York Times that if the ardent district attorney had committed suicide, he would have wanted his body found. But in the case of possible foul play, no suspects have emerged from investigations.
Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:09 PM
Quote:On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be. What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far. "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak." After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors. "I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?" Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon. "The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it? "My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:06 PM
Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:21 PM
Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:49 AM
Quote: Joe Paterno will retire at season's end. Is that enough? Should he quit right now? I doubt Paterno will go to Madison and Columbus. I bet Saturday is his last game. He'll be on the sidelines, get his applause, and that's it. Know what? I can't begrudge Paterno that. But it's still minimizing the situation to a frightening degree. When 100,000 cheer, WHAT ARE THEY CHEERING FOR? This will be sports' most BIZARRE FAREWELL EVER. Last night didn't help. When the students protested, Penn State became a cult. A cult that worships a feeble, old enabler and puts football above all, even dignity and decency. Penn State alumni should feel ASHAMED. Paterno said, "With the benefit of hindsight, I should have done more." Thanks, Coach Obvious. Is that an apology, or merely a statement? When Joe takes off in the helicopter, is he going to make the double "V for Victory" sign? I believe Penn State should cancel the rest of the season. The biggest absurdity going is the premise that this scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL. It's become a battle cry for Paterno apologists, and is sickening in its lack of logic. *The predator in question is a former Penn State assistant coach. *He had free use of Penn State's football facilities after retiring in 1999. *He ran overnight football camps for kids using Penn State facilities. *At least some of his assaults occurred at Penn State's football facilities. *The head coach knew. *An assistant coach WITNESSED. *The athletic director knew. *The predator used Penn State's football facilities LAST WEEK. *The predator attended a Penn State football function LAST WEEK. So...tell me again HOW THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL. A ninth Jerry Sandusky victim has come forward to the police. The New York Times reports that Penn State adminstration is mapping out Joe Paterno's exit. This will be his last season. The end might come soon. Penn State cancelled today's Paterno press conference after initially asking media to not discuss the Sandusky situation. That's like Rudy Giuliani not talking about 9/11 on 9/12. Doesn't exactly promote the idea of accountability. Penn State has taken a terrible situation and somehow made it EVEN WORSE. It's the fall of the empire. Here's what's got to happen at Penn State. NOW. *Paterno must be dismissed IMMEDIATELY. If Paterno won't resign, fire him. If Paterno won't leave, have security physically remove him. Paterno's dignity is gone. His aura has vanished. Paterno didn't do enough. HE KNEW. *Penn State's season must stop IMMEDIATELY. This is the filthiest scandal in NCAA history. This isn't free tattoos, or Reggie Bush's family getting paid. This is an assembly line of child rape that Penn State's administration - football and otherwise - knew about for OVER A DECADE. How on earth do you keep playing? *Penn State football should shut down for at least a year, then start over with a 100% different infrastructure. This is a classic example of losing institutional control. Innocent people catch some shrapnel, sure. Not everyone was guilty at SMU. That's what SHOULD happen. But it won't. Follow the money. Remember when PETA protesters picketed Philadelphia Eagles games when Mike Vick came back? Who's going to picket Beaver Stadium when Nebraska visits Saturday? The Sandusky scandal isn't just a test for Penn State and Paterno. It's a test for Penn State alumni and the entire State College area. What's more important: What's right, or what's traditional? What's right, or what's beloved? What's right, or what's profitable? http://www.1059thex.com/pages/markmadden.html Jerry Sandusky Investigation: Joe Paterno Hires Criminal Defense Lawyer, J. Sedgwick Sollers, who represented pedophile serial killer Franklin Coverup President George H.W. Bush in the Iran-Contra affair http://philly.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/10/2553202/jerry-sandusky-investigation-joe-paterno-hires-criminal-defense-lawyer/in/2306806
Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Which is why I sent in the twins. There's something rotten here, and I think it important to find out exactly what. -F
Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Hate asking this already, but wth is " I sent in the twins " even suppose to mean?
Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews:
Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The students supporting a long history of cover-ups... It may be the court of public opinion and not the justice department, but people supporting someone if the allegations like this are even possibly true, just because they're a football coach? And old friends of the main coach are coming out of the woodworks... Certain people I REALLY don't like myself, and considering the HYPOCRISY I've seen from them, well, I have to wonder. I think we're about to see just how BIG this whole awful thing REALLY was, and I am starting to think it was NOT just Penn State who was in on it.
Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:04 PM
Monday, November 14, 2011 1:03 AM
Quote:Look at the reaction of them students over the firing of their precious little pervert
Quote: The twins are a pair of my so-called "bullygirls" who are exactly that, and damn useful for it - and they have a lot of contacts personal and otherwise in PA as well as a more complete knowledge of local politics than most... And for reasons of personal annoyance, them being damn near a thousand miles away for the immediate future is a nice bonus.
Monday, November 14, 2011 3:14 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Monday, November 14, 2011 5:12 AM
Monday, November 14, 2011 5:25 AM
Monday, November 14, 2011 5:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The students supporting a long history of cover-ups... It may be the court of public opinion and not the justice department, but people supporting someone if the allegations like this are even possibly true, just because they're a football coach? And old friends of the main coach are coming out of the woodworks... Certain people I REALLY don't like myself, and considering the HYPOCRISY I've seen from them, well, I have to wonder. I think we're about to see just how BIG this whole awful thing REALLY was, and I am starting to think it was NOT just Penn State who was in on it. A certain few judges-for-profit come to mind, them being in that same general neck of the woods. I can't help the sinking feeling that this isn't just a one-off or a fluke, but rather part of a very large, very entrenched long-term system of abuse of the type and level to bring up 'Girl With the Dragon Tattoo' comparisons. But that's only because of the things we've seen with the Catholic Church...
Monday, November 14, 2011 5:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Life may go on, and plenty of people may not have been involved, but I still find it a bit disturbing that some people think football is more important than allegations like this. I think it shows a kind of apathy to the victims. Perhaps not intentional disrespect, but disrespect all the same though insensitivity.
Monday, November 14, 2011 5:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Jong, no one died. Bad? Hell yes, but not enough to cancel a game over.
Quote:Sandusky has been off the PSU staff for 10+ years... Life goes on.
Monday, November 14, 2011 6:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Jong, no one died. Bad? Hell yes, but not enough to cancel a game over. Right, only eight or more young boys had to endure forcible rape and sodomy, and the emotional scars that go with it all for life. But as you said, no one died, so.....let's play some football!
Monday, November 14, 2011 8:59 AM
Monday, November 14, 2011 9:03 AM
Quote:A certain few judges-for-profit come to mind, them being in that same general neck of the woods. I can't help the sinking feeling that this isn't just a one-off or a fluke, but rather part of a very large, very entrenched long-term system of abuse of the type and level to bring up 'Girl With the Dragon Tattoo' comparisons.
Monday, November 14, 2011 9:08 AM
Monday, November 14, 2011 9:37 AM
Quote:And the people who think this goes deeper... is this the pattern? That pedophiles know each other so-to-speak, or work in groups?
Monday, November 14, 2011 3:12 PM
Monday, November 14, 2011 3:59 PM
Monday, November 14, 2011 4:29 PM
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