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2012 candidates slip on Econ 101

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Every 2012 contender attended college. They all graduated. They went to schools like the University of Pennsylvania, Columbia, Texas A&M, Morehouse, Penn State and Emory.

But decades have passed since these Presidential candidates first stepped onto campus as freshmen. Is it time for an Econ 101 refresher course?

America's Econ 101 professors say yes. In their view, the candidates continue to offer ideas and policies that wouldn't pass muster in their classes -- populated by 18 year-old college students.

"There are so many economic 'misstatements' being made," said Jonathan Lanning, a professor at Bryn Mawr who is teaching two introductory economics classes this semester. "And it isn't confined to any one candidate."

Michele Bachmann promised to bring back $2 gas. Tim Pawlenty suggested sustained 5% GDP growth was a realistic target. Rick Perry would balance the budget with lower tax revenues.

No dice, say the professors.

Stephen Golub, who is teaching Econ 101 at Swarthmore College this semester, said some of the ideas floated by Presidential candidates would earn a failing grade in his class.

"I think it's grossly irresponsible what they are saying," Golub said. "It's not about economics. It's about getting elected. They are promising things that are impossible to deliver or make little sense."

The rhetoric sounds good on the campaign trail. Not in the classroom.

The simple laws of supply and demand render Bachmann's $2 gas promise void, said Erik Nelson, an Econ 101 professor at Bowdoin College.

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Rick Perry labeling Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke as treasonous? "Really over the top," said Golub.

Another professor who teaches at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Michael Salemi, was able to identify statements from six candidates that "would earn failing grades in my Econ 101 class."

Salemi called Ron Paul's rationale for returning to the gold standard "one of the most dangerous ideas put forward by a politician in recent years."

And the idea of waging a trade war with China that was bandied about by Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney at a recent debate?

"If we learned anything from the Great Depression it was that starting a trade war by passing new tariffs leads to reprisals," Salemi said. "In the end there are no winners, only losers."

Nelson said the tax plans floated by Cain and Perry are prime examples of policy proposals that are designed to appeal to primary voters.

"If either of these men are the Republican nominee for president, I suspect their flat tax proposals will go the way of all other short-lived flat tax proposals," Nelson said.

Bernard Salanie, an economics professor at Columbia University, said Perry's simplified tax form just won't cut it.

"It is a bit depressing to again hear the argument that we will be well on the road to recovery once our tax returns fit on a postcard," Salanie said. http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/09/news/economy/presidential_candidates_e
conomics/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3
then, these professors are obviously "elites", so no doubt the ignorant will dismiss anything they say. I know it's the time of celebrating ignorance, but it always amazes me just how MUCH ignorance the voting public celebrates!

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:26 AM

BYTEMITE


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Salemi called Ron Paul's rationale for returning to the gold standard "one of the most dangerous ideas put forward by a politician in recent years."


I can see how this could be a problem, mostly because there's not enough gold to account for the electronic money out there. This would probably cause a crash like at the end of the 1800s, when people were switching between gold and silver standards to play off the market bubble and then crashing it.

But, I *DO* think it might be worth considering tying electronic money to real world assets in some way.

Back before the concept of capital and wealth was invented, people tied their currency to crops. The upside was that no wealth was permanent (food rots), but of course the downside was that no wealth was permanent (can't save up for the kids without some really clever land and economic management).

Maybe eventually we'll tie currency to water somehow. Everyone needs water. It's plentiful, and it doesn't degrade.

Also, when it rains, it'd be raining CASH.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:36 AM

BYTEMITE


Alternatively, all compounds and elements might have some intrinsic value. The unit of conversion between currencies could be based on the mole.

!

Why doesn't this system exist yet?

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:55 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Why doesn't this system exist yet?


Because it makes sense and happens to be inherently fair.

See, despite the voluminous illusions offered by Randroid shitheels, the truth is that the actual PRODUCERS of wealth are us - the little people, but in order to subvert that and funnel the wealth WE produce into THEIR pockets, the high and mighty came up with the so-called "science" of economics, which is IMHO about as valid in any sense as a religion, certainly it's treated like one and relies on just as much magical thinking in order to be any kind of coherent....

Cause what it really boils down to is "keep giving us your money and when we have enough a miracle will happen!", well, yeah, right.

WHERE'S MY FUCKIN MIRACLE ?

I want my goddamn money back.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:01 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, it's fair in that all costs would be figured by the mass of things rather than what they actually are. But there's flaws in it I can think of, such as obviously some elements and compounds are more useful to humans than others. Also, edible organic compounds tend to have a lot of constituent atoms involved, which means food could potentially come out more expensive than pure gold or copper (and less useful stuff like boron), but as expensive as some kinds of rocks and minerals. And of course it doesn't account for intangible trades, like services or virtual and electronic transactions.

You'd have to have adjusting factors for it to really make sense, though it might still work for specific situations, like if someone wanted to trade some amount of copper for an equal value of iron. But I was mostly making a joke.

The water thing I'm actually more serious about.

Agreed, though, economics as it is makes absolutely no sense.

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