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Fucking banksters: trillions of Fed dollars to banks.

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Monday, November 28, 2011 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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In a story that sheds new light on the extent of the country’s financial crisis, Bloomberg Markets magazine reported today that the Federal Reserve lent trillions of dollars to beleaguered financial institutions, with $1.2 trillion going out on just one day in 2008.

“The Fed didn’t tell anyone which banks were in trouble so deep they required a combined $1.2 trillion on Dec. 5, 2008, their single neediest day. Bankers didn’t mention that they took tens of billions of dollars in emergency loans at the same time they were assuring investors their firms were healthy,” Bloomberg reported today. ”And no one calculated until now that banks reaped an estimated $13 billion of income by taking advantage of the Fed’s below-market rates.”

Bloomberg Markets said it went over 29,000 pages of Fed documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and central bank records of more than 21,000 transactions.

“Saved by the bailout, bankers lobbied against government regulations, a job made easier by the Fed, which never disclosed the details of the rescue to lawmakers even as Congress doled out more money and debated new rules aimed at preventing the next collapse,” Bloomberg reported.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke had argued back in 2008 when the crisis hit that revealing borrower details would create a stigma that would have led to more banks collapsing. And the Fed fought to keep the details of the loans, which totaled $7.77 trillion, secret long after.

So much for capitalists being risk-takers! Where's the risk, if the govt swoops in to bail your ass out when you overreach? Meanwhile, the bonuses and money just keep barreling upwards.

Let them eat shit, I say.


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Monday, November 28, 2011 12:53 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

One of the costs of capitalism, and its sole built-in protection mechanism, is that when businesses fail, they leave a ravaged, bloody carcass that demonstrates to the world what not to do. Bad risks must result in pain and destruction for the system to work as intended.

Instead, businesses were rewarded for their short-sightedness and greed. The sole corrective mechanism to capitalism- the cost of failure- was removed to avert the terrible pain that a depression would bring.

Meanwhile, in order to protect the banks further they were all pressured to take the money, even if they didn't want to so that none could be said to be healthier than the rest.

Then, to add insult to injury, the government began to arrange matchmaking sessions between weak and strong banks, encouraging mergers. This took banks that were too big to fail and made them even bigger.

I fear that by sparing ourselves the pain of a depression and worldwide market crash, we have merely delayed the inevitable. Sooner or later, this is going to happen again. Next time, I predict we won't have anything to throw at the problem. It will consume us all.

Sorry if that seems a bit doom and gloom.

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, November 28, 2011 1:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


We the people really need to take back control of our democracy.

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Monday, November 28, 2011 3:56 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I'm so sick of the government bailing out the banks.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gee, Kiki, y'think so? We bitch and moan here, but who's actually trying to do something? OWS may not work, but given we've already gotten the attention of TPTB, at least it's SOMETHING.

One of our signs: "How does a bankrupt country bail out bankrupt banks?" or somesuch. People have to stand up and be heard for anything to change, and yes, I know all the negative comments that will follow that, but I believe it's true, and this is the only thing going at this time. Whether OWS succeeds or fails, it's changed the discussion. That's a first step.



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Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Indeed, but again my concern is whether they're willing to go far enough to take the next, and the next... down the road where that's gonna LEAD once TPTB start playing ugly.

I doubt it.

-F

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Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


My concern as well. Also that they don't get beyond occupying, which there were hints they WERE going to do, and which IS only Step One. Our numbers haven't grown enough in Marin, although to my shock Pt. Reyes is up to 30-40 people (which is weird in some ways, as they're pretty isolated on the Coast, but understandable in another, as they're an eclectic bunch who have long since gone their own way.

I was talking to a couple of others during Saturday's demonstration, and we came to the conclusion that, despite all the honks, thumbs up, waves, etc., we get, people in Marin are still not uncomfortable enough to take action. Sad statement, but it IS a rich county...

Most of our activists go to Oakland, Berserkeley and SF to demonstrate with big crowds, which I understand, but it's disheartening to see so few in Marin itself get active. Maybe in time...



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Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


heavily edited for brevity

This is a copy of a lobbying firm's proposal to the American Bankers Association for a slightly less than $1M counter-ad campaign and political campaign against OWS. The full PDF calls for

targeting specific democratic senators who might try to regulate banks

targeting 'leaders and backers' with 'dirt-finding' missions
"• Records search ... of leaders' histories including civil and criminal information, litigation history, tax liens, bankruptcies, judgments, and other associations
• Associated business and record search including Internal Revenue Service and Federal Election Commission filings, sanctions, regulatory actions, and litigation

identifying allies of potentially regulated firms who will attack those who seek regulation
"A big challenge is to demonstrate that these companies still have political strength and that >> making them a political target will carry a severe political cost<<"

and to have an ad campaign that will 'spin' the narrative against OWS.
"The key is to ... develop hard-hitting, compelling creative that can move numbers, combat OWS messages and >> provide cover for political figures who defend the industry <<.



http://publicintelligence.net/clark-lytle-geduldig-cranford-occupy-wal
l-street-lobbyist-response-proposal
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Clark Lytle Geduldig Cranford Occupy Wall Street Lobbyist Response Proposal

Leading Democratic party strategists have begun to openly discuss the benefits of embracing the growing and increasingly organized Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement to prevent Republican gains in Congress and the White House next year.
... This would mean more than just short-term political discomfort for Wall Street firms. ... it has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye. ...the bigger concern should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies - and might start running against them too. ...

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Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey, I already posted about that! Which is okay; the more it comes to light and the more who become aware of it, the better.

We've got a big machine we're going up against, and the same machine has managed to convince people that climate change doesn't exist (in that fewer people believe in it than used to), so we know it'll be a battle.

While I LOATHE the idea of the left doing to us what the right did to the Tea Party, if it means negative things for Wall Street, good!! But we'll certainly TRY not to have that happen!



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Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:50 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"if it means negative things for Wall Street, good!!"

Hello,

The first paving stone on the road.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:43 AM

FREMDFIRMA



One takes what one can get, Anthony.

Could be worse, really - would you prefer Mario Buda's method of retaliating ?

Cause I wouldn't, well mostly wouldn't, anyhows.

-F

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