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Psych bible turns sorrow into sickness
Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:34 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote: Psychiatry bible 'turns sorrow into sickness' Jill Stark December 4, 2011 IT'S been branded a ''dangerous public experiment'' that could turn normal human experiences into an epidemic of mental illness with healthy people being drugged unnecessarily. In radical changes to the way mental health conditions are diagnosed, what was once considered a child's temper tantrum could be labelled ''disruptive mood dysregulation disorder''. If a widow grieves for more than a fortnight she might be diagnosed with ''major depressive disorder''. If a mother in a custody battle tries to turn a child against the father, it might create ''parental alienation disorder''. These are among new conditions proposed for the fifth edition of the psychiatrist's bible, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), due to be finalised next year. Some doctors in Australia are arguing the revised manual - used globally to diagnose mental disorders - is pathologising unhappiness. The changes have also caused an international outcry, with the American Counselling Association, American Psychological Association, the British Psychological Society and others calling for the draft of the new edition to be independently reviewed. They fear it is so inclusive, it risks labelling millions of healthy people as mentally ill. ''It's such a narrow and limited view of human experience, to want to reduce every bit of suffering to medical diagnosis,'' said Jon Jureidini, professor of psychiatry at the University of Adelaide. He said the changes would lead to increased prescribing. The authors say ''misinformation'' about the manual, produced by the American Psychiatric Association since 1952, is creating unnecessary fear and any inclusions will be based on robust scientific evidence. Psychiatrist Ian Hickie, director of Sydney University's Brain and Mind Research Institute, rejects claims that the new manual would medicalise unhappiness. ''When people are in pain and suffering elsewhere we don't say people are pathologising that. We say, let's try and do the best we can to relieve that and get them back to function in the appropriate way,'' Professor Hickie said. The rift reflects division within the mental health community over a global rise in the use of antidepressants, stimulants and antipsychotics, with many clinicians critical of drugs with potentially serious side effects being favoured over more costly talk-based therapies. Others argue that medication can be life-saving where other therapies have failed. The inclusion of conditions such as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and autism in previous DSM editions is believed to have contributed to increased prescribing. In the new edition, the diagnosis threshold for some existing disorders is also being lowered so that grief over the death of a loved one can qualify as a major depressive illness. The authors of DSM-5, however, argue that a bereaved person who is suffering from major depression is currently ineligible for that diagnosis, preventing them from getting help if they need it. ''A broad range of evidence … shows that there are little to no systematic differences between individuals who develop a major depression in response to bereavement and in response to other severe stressors - such as being … raped … or the loss of your treasured job,'' Dr Kenneth Kendler, a member of the DSM-5 mood disorders group, said. The changes also mean children only have to display six of 13 possible symptoms for a diagnosis of ADHD, compared with six of nine in the previous manual. ''Under the new criteria it's almost harder not to get diagnosed with ADHD than it is to get diagnosed with it,'' Martin Whitely, a West Australian Labor MP and anti-ADHD medication campaigner, said. ''There were about 60,000 Australian children on ADHD medications in 2010 - a lot of money has gone into marketing and selling the disease.'' One of the manual's biggest critics is the man who developed the last edition, American psychiatrist Allen Frances. He told The Sunday Age the fact that the authors of the new edition have described it as a ''living document'' makes it a ''dangerous public health experiment''. ''The DSM-5 is used in real life-and-death decisions - it shouldn't be a set of hypotheses to be tested,'' he said. ''The worst outcome of this would be all these suggestions get included and a lot of people get medicine they don't need. But an almost equally bad outcome would be that psychiatry gets so tarred by this aberration that people who really need psychiatry and need the medicine stop taking it.'' Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/psychiatry-bible-turns-sorrow-into-sickness-20111203-1ocmm.html#ixzz1fW9D8Lq5
Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:40 PM
DREAMTROVE
Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:00 PM
Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:27 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:40 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:''The DSM-5 is used in real life-and-death decisions - it shouldn't be a set of hypotheses to be tested,'' he said. ''The worst outcome of this would be all these suggestions get included and a lot of people get medicine they don't need. But an almost equally bad outcome would be that psychiatry gets so tarred by this aberration that people who really need psychiatry and need the medicine stop taking it.''
Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:38 PM
Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:57 PM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:07 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Which is why lay people shouldn't diagnose.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:59 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:18 AM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:28 AM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:30 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: If we took the DSM-5 and applied it to a random sampling of the population, could we diagnose everyone in our sample with some form of mental illness?
Quote: Overdiagnosis is as bad as underdiagnosis, and getting a proper, vetted, unbiased diagnosis in this day and age is a real problem with a broken medical care system which has incestous links with Big Pharma right down to the displays and posters in your local doctors office.
Quote: Not likely to go to a shrink for any reason at all, simply because doing so is more and more likely to result in you getting some sort of scarlet letter on your permanent record. ;)
Quote: I think some diagnosis are useful. If it means you get a treatment plan, or some way of relieving your suffering, or some insight into your/your loved ones behaviour/condition then that is great. If it leaves a person, especially a child feeling stigmatised and or pathologised, and no good comes of it, then it is not good.
Quote: what we know about cancer is a vague idea, still being built on, and not a complete understanding
Quote:Essentially, if you're literate and discerning, there's not really anything a doctor can tell you that you can't find out on your own.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:37 AM
Quote:Byte, Quote: what we know about cancer is a vague idea, still being built on, and not a complete understanding Substitute the word "mental illness" for cancer, and the statement is equally valid.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:48 AM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:27 AM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:41 AM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Essentially, if you're literate and discerning, there's not really anything a doctor can tell you that you can't find out on your own.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:04 PM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:08 PM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:10 PM
Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:49 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: [Essentially, if you're literate and discerning, there's not really anything a doctor can tell you that you can't find out on your own.
Quote:That's why it is important to subvert the process [getting unwanted procedures while in labor at the hospital] and get the jump on the doctor as much as possible before the situation gets critical. After you've asked your question, don't take it for granted that you can trust the doctor's answers. Check out whatever he says. Again, read all the sources you can find. You have to know more about it than he does. Doctors in general should be treated with about the same degree of trust as used car salesmen. Whatever your doctor says or recommends, you have to first consider how it will benefit him.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: You might have been talking to CTS? She has some similar viewpoints about self-research and distrust of doctors/big pharm but she's the one who likes naturopathy.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Diagnosing everyone as sick makes everyone part of the system, so everyone gets the currency, and in so doing they set up the international exchange rate, between the global parasitic nation of Pharma, and their host nation. Pharma can set this rate of exchange through manipulation of governments, medical providers and insurance companies.
Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:51 PM
Monday, December 5, 2011 3:30 AM
Monday, December 5, 2011 2:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Niki, this is neither here nor there, but since I adopted your color coded text idea (good idea, btw. It's cut in half the time I spend hunting through threads) I've started trying my best to quote colored text as colored, to make your text purple when I quote it. You have to set the font inside the quote and then again outside of it. While I'm at it, I recommend to everyone to chose a color. I recall Rap being orange briefly. It's a good idea, you know whose words are which much more easily. It's like miniature golf, for words. That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
Monday, December 5, 2011 2:16 PM
Monday, December 5, 2011 6:40 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, December 5, 2011 8:06 PM
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 1:59 AM
SIGMANUNKI
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 4:45 AM
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 8:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Huh. Wikipedia told me that homeopathy was a subcategory of naturopathy. She done me wrong, that wikipedia.
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 8:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki: So, given the above, the grieving widow cannot be diagnosed with major depressive disorder because her grief has an obvious cause. Similarly, with the child.
Quote:E. The symptoms are not better accounted for by Bereavement, i.e., after the loss of a loved one, the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor retardation.
Quote:SigmaNunki: If you don't eventually end up at pubmed, you're either not done, or doing it wrong.
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 9:05 AM
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 11:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki: Basically, if you don't want to get screwed, do your research. But, don't use wikipedia as a primary source. Use it as a starting point. If you don't eventually end up at pubmed, you're either not done, or doing it wrong.
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 11:46 AM
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