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Occupy K Street
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:04 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Thousands of protesters have gathered on Washington's K Street, known as the home of lobbying in the nation's capital. The demonstration includes participants in the Occupy D.C. encampment and other groups sympathetic to their message about income inequality. They're asking lawmakers to represent the 99 percent of ordinary Americans, rather than the wealthy. Crowds began gathering on K Street shortly before noon Wednesday. They chanted, "Banks got bailed out. We got sold out," and "Whose street? Our street." The protesters included people from unions, as well as residents from other cities, including Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. District of Columbia transportation officials have said the demonstration may impact the evening rush hour and are urging drivers to avoid the area. Occupiers are also expected to make their way to the White House and the Supreme Court on Wednesday evening. ..... Take Back The Capitol protesters, meanwhile, set up shop on the National Mall earlier this week. While not officially affiliated with the Occupy movement, protesters have traveled to Washington to demonstrate against many of the same issues. http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/12/k-street-protests-occupy-take-back-the-capitol-set-to-protest-lobbyists-70033.html
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:29 AM
HERO
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:39 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 10:25 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: The world wide attention would say different! I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Don't mind Hero. He must speak up for his maters.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: The world wide attention would say different!
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:28 AM
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:30 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Have you said anything worthwhile in the last 5 years? Or have you just settled fully into your Neo-Con clown role?
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:21 PM
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:24 PM
Quote:This is also a fundamental difference in the nature of the Tea Part Movement and the Occupy Wall Street Protests. One seeks to enage in a debate and then win that debate at the ballot box. The other seeks to eliminate the debate and force conformity their agenda. This is why we see many Tea Party candidates running for everything from President to Dog Catcher but the OWS will not have candidates of their own. They want to dictate the results, not engage in the process.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:32 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: They want to dictate the results, not engage in the process.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:42 PM
Quote:Almost half of Republicans polled said they aren’t happy with their party leaders’ job performances, with approval dropping 23 points since January to just 46 percent. And voters who associate with the tea party hold an even more dismal view of their House and Senate leaders — only 37 percent of tea partiers approve of the way GOP honchos on the Hill are doing their jobs. … And as the Tea Party has become more well known, voters have begun viewing the movement much more negatively, the study also showed. Slightly less than half of those surveyed — 43 percent — have an unfavorable of the Tea Party. Back in Feb. 2010, just 25 percent saw the movement negatively. ..... As Republican leadership has increasingly incorporated Tea Partiers in Congress, that emphasis on conviction has been painted as arbitrary stubbornness and that outsider status has been portrayed as dangerous ignorance. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/25/poll-tea-partiers-disappointed-in-hill-leaders/ Tea Party lost its way: Quote:Hate is a mental disorder. Hate is a form of insanity. The problem is that the Tea Party followers were so riled up by hate fomented by Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Right Wing Talk Radio, FoxNews, and others in the Right Wing Echo chamber, they were unable to see that they were voting not only against their own economic interest but their families' interest, and the country's interest. http://ezinearticles.com/?Disappointed-Tea-Party-Followers-Likely-Help-Democrats-In-2012&id=5385229 what those leading the Tea Party did; they played on frustration, anger and hate, and their followers are paying the price. Certainly not all of them, and maybe not even the majority, but the extremes brought into politics by the Tea Party, as it was directed the past few years, has alienated moderates and even many who have voted Republican for ages. The same may be true of Occupy, time will tell, it's still in its infancy and will be for a long time to come. So to laud the results of the Tea Pary's rise to power and denigrate Occupy, which hasn't even BEGUN to gain power (if it ever will), is deliberately blind partisanship, nothing else, in my opinion.Quote:The old process doesn't work. They are trying to fix the process. Bingo CTS. Because Occupy doesn't play by the existing rules, we're condemned. Rarely is it noticed that the existing rules DON'T WORK; the Tea Pary played by them and suffered the results. TPTB on all sides have learned how to manipulate the "rules" to their own advantage, so how does playing by their rules accomplish anything? The process doesn't just not work, it's bought and paid for, totally broken and won't work to make any major changes which will improve the situation. If we're ever to make headway, we need to evolve in how we confront the wrongs in our society.
Quote:Hate is a mental disorder. Hate is a form of insanity. The problem is that the Tea Party followers were so riled up by hate fomented by Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Right Wing Talk Radio, FoxNews, and others in the Right Wing Echo chamber, they were unable to see that they were voting not only against their own economic interest but their families' interest, and the country's interest. http://ezinearticles.com/?Disappointed-Tea-Party-Followers-Likely-Help-Democrats-In-2012&id=5385229 what those leading the Tea Party did; they played on frustration, anger and hate, and their followers are paying the price. Certainly not all of them, and maybe not even the majority, but the extremes brought into politics by the Tea Party, as it was directed the past few years, has alienated moderates and even many who have voted Republican for ages. The same may be true of Occupy, time will tell, it's still in its infancy and will be for a long time to come. So to laud the results of the Tea Pary's rise to power and denigrate Occupy, which hasn't even BEGUN to gain power (if it ever will), is deliberately blind partisanship, nothing else, in my opinion.Quote:The old process doesn't work. They are trying to fix the process. Bingo CTS. Because Occupy doesn't play by the existing rules, we're condemned. Rarely is it noticed that the existing rules DON'T WORK; the Tea Pary played by them and suffered the results. TPTB on all sides have learned how to manipulate the "rules" to their own advantage, so how does playing by their rules accomplish anything? The process doesn't just not work, it's bought and paid for, totally broken and won't work to make any major changes which will improve the situation. If we're ever to make headway, we need to evolve in how we confront the wrongs in our society.
Quote:The old process doesn't work. They are trying to fix the process.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:06 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Wow. Such a reasoned, well thought out, and smartly presented reply, Hero.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Have you said anything worthwhile in the last 5 years? Or have you just settled fully into your Neo-Con clown role? Two choices that both allow you to dismiss rather then debate. Your first option supposes that I have said nothing worthwhile. This is clearly not the case, yet you make the assetion because you are unable or unwilling to tolerate speech you don't agree with or ideas that are not shared by you. It is the absolute height of intolerance and contrary to the very foundations of our Democracy. Debate with those who disagree serve a vital function, if for no other reason then it allows you to flesh out and provide substantive reinforcement of your own position. Your second option allows you to dismiss ideas you don't agree with by the application of labels. These labels are constructs of your own ideology to group together a class of persons you don't agree with and collectively dismiss their contributions.
Quote: Taken together your mindset is a part of the dangerous pattern of the modern left to eliminate political opposition rather then seeking to win the debate. It comes from the simple fact that after the collapse of socialism, your ideas simply do not work. You can argue this or that specific policy, but you know that ultimately your stance on nearly every issue will either fail to achieve political success because you cannot rally the support you need to enact it or...should you enact such policies they will fail because of the systemic flaws in the liberal approach to nearly every issue. This is also a fundamental difference in the nature of the Tea Part Movement and the Occupy Wall Street Protests. One seeks to enage in a debate and then win that debate at the ballot box. The other seeks to eliminate the debate and force conformity their agenda. This is why we see many Tea Party candidates running for everything from President to Dog Catcher but the OWS will not have candidates of their own. They want to dictate the results, not engage in the process.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:17 PM
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 3:40 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: The old process doesn't work. They are trying to fix the process.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:28 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:33 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Thursday, December 8, 2011 6:31 AM
Quote:Protesters from around the country occupied K Street this afternoon, including dozens of Minnesotans. The demonstration was the combined effort of numerous groups joining up with OccupyDC to send a message against corporate money in politics. K Street is home to America's most powerful lobbying firms. http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/12/occupy_protesters_k_street.php Occupy movement is both bringing media attention to things other groups have had little or no success with and increasing the numbers of those groups' protests. It's not about OccupyWallStreet, if you note, it's OccupyDC, a local group just like us, and each local group decides on "actions" they wish to take. That's a large part of the reason other groups have joined them in actions such as this, and I think it's great that Occupy is being effective in bringing the issue of other groups to the nation's attention.Quote: More than five dozen protesters upset about what they call corporate greed and the excessive influence of money in politics were arrested Wednesday after shutting down K Street, home to many of Washington's lobbying firms, in a mass demonstration that snarled midday traffic in the nation's capital. ..... Demonstrators from across the U.S. converged for the Washington march that included participants from Occupy Wall Street encampments as well as other groups, including unions, sympathetic to their message of income inequality. Organizers said they expected several thousand people in Washington this week for days of activism ..... Earlier, 11 protesters affiliated with the American Dream Movement, which advocates for the working class, were arrested and charged with obstructing a public highway. Later Wednesday, about a dozen more were arrested at the Supreme Court. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57339058/occupy-d.c-targets-lobbyists-offices/ Quote: Borrowing language from the Occupy movement and drawing demonstrators "from Occupy sites from coast to coast," the movement says its goal is to affect congressional legislation.Ergo, apparently it is not just the Occupy people who are practicing civil disobedience, and being arrested. I think it's great they're finally getting around to DC, which is where they should be, and I think it's great they're getting press for other groups--AND that the other groups are being reported, the MSM isn't just claiming it's all Occupy protesters.Quote: Scores of activists converged on the office of Senator Scott Brown today to protest his inability, they said, to deliver jobs to Massachusetts as promised. The demonstrators crammed into Brown’s office in the late morning, some plunking themselves into chairs and couches, to ask for a meeting with the Republican Senator. The Bay State group of about 250 people, many of them unemployed, arrived in Washington Monday night aboard five buses, according to Jason Stephany, the spokesman for MassUniting, which bills itself as “a coalition of neighbors, community groups, faith organizations and labor united in the fight for good jobs, corporate accountability, and stronger communities.” “We asked for a meeting with the Senator Brown,” said Jay Chambers, 38, an unemployed iron worker from Charlestown. “I had a question for him: Where are the jobs he campaigned for?” “Among the senator’s top priorities is job creation,” and he will continue to “work with good will” to pass job-creating legislation, Kinzel said in the hallway outside Brown’s office. The visit to Washington by the Massachusetts activists is part of a nationwide effort this week to bring attention to the unemployed, said Stephany, noting that groups from 46 states fanned out across Capitol offices. http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/12/activists-occupy-senator-brown-office/QtsJth48lSlpwr5xEumfTO/index.html again, it's not just Occupy, and the other groups are engaging in civil disobedience as well. It's a coordinated effort which hit numerous legislators' offices. Some legislators are "getting it", that all they want is to talk to them. Others, not so much. Quote: From all accounts, only four of about forty targeted Republicans bothered to show their faces to their constituents. For example, a couple of floors down, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin pinned a note out front declaring appointments only, and then locked his door. Quote: The Occupy Wall Street movement took its rage from the grounds of city parks to Capitol Hill Tuesday, sitting in outs multiple legislators’ offices including the office of Missouri U.S. Rep. Vicky Hartzler, R.Harrisonville Quote: Groups from different states went to lawmakers' offices Tuesday. About a dozen people were conducting what they called a sit-in outside the office of House Speaker John Boehner. One of them, John Reat from Ohio -- the state Boehner represents -- told CNN, "I've been unemployed for 24 months, and that's why I'm here. And we're not leaving until we talk to the speaker, or they close the building, whichever comes first." One group of protesters said they planned to conduct a sit-in at the office of Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip. About 20 people went to Kyl's office saying they wanted a forum to be heard. "All of Arizona is in the dark. We don't know what he's thinking," one said. "We'll stay until he hears us." That group also went to a conference room outside the office of another Maryland Democrat, Rep. Steny Hoyer, and spoke to his aides. http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/440-occupy/8771-protesters-wage-sit-ins-at-congressional-offices-in-dc] Quote: Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., met with a group of about two dozen Occupy protesters at his office in the nation’s capital Tuesday, the day after 14 demonstrators were arrested at his Bend and Medford offices for refusing to leave as they demanded a series of town halls in the 2nd Congressional District.Quote: About 25 people visited the office of Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland. He spoke to the group outside his office and told them he sympathizes with the unemployed. Quote:When we arrived at Reichert's office things didn't look very hopeful. Reichert was out, and not expected back, his receptionist told us, and besides, he had a very, very busy schedule. We were welcome to make an appointment with his scheduler if we wanted. To be clear: to make an appointment to make an appointment. Or, if we really wanted to wait around in hope of catching the congressmen, we were welcome to wait outside in the hall. No thank you, we replied. We'd wait right here inside his office. And so folks crowded in and found a spot to sit or stand where they could. And then, after about half an hour of folks telling their stories of economic displacement to each other, Reichert actually shows up and talks. And talks. And talks, and talks, and talks. For a guy who was sooooo busy, you sure wouldn't know it. I've got about an hour of video of Reichert talking, with a little bit of him listening thrown in. The guy's got stamina. He lasted longer than my camcorder battery. It's not like Reichert said anything much of, but, well, at least he showed up. Which is a helluva lot more than can be said of most of his colleagues.Sorry, but your attempt to say these are different from the Occupy movement and their "civil dosobedience is much more orderly". Occupy is a large part of it, in coordination with other groups, and other groups' civil disobedience has been the same, with people being arrested, etc. And Occupy is using the same tactics as these other groups:Quote:On Tuesday, Occupy DC protesters sat outside the offices of House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.I recognize your need to paint Occupy as violent and undisciplined, as compared to more "orderly" groups, but I'm afraid you're wrong; they're all working together and all using some of the same tactics.
Quote: More than five dozen protesters upset about what they call corporate greed and the excessive influence of money in politics were arrested Wednesday after shutting down K Street, home to many of Washington's lobbying firms, in a mass demonstration that snarled midday traffic in the nation's capital. ..... Demonstrators from across the U.S. converged for the Washington march that included participants from Occupy Wall Street encampments as well as other groups, including unions, sympathetic to their message of income inequality. Organizers said they expected several thousand people in Washington this week for days of activism ..... Earlier, 11 protesters affiliated with the American Dream Movement, which advocates for the working class, were arrested and charged with obstructing a public highway. Later Wednesday, about a dozen more were arrested at the Supreme Court. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57339058/occupy-d.c-targets-lobbyists-offices/
Quote: Borrowing language from the Occupy movement and drawing demonstrators "from Occupy sites from coast to coast," the movement says its goal is to affect congressional legislation.
Quote: Scores of activists converged on the office of Senator Scott Brown today to protest his inability, they said, to deliver jobs to Massachusetts as promised. The demonstrators crammed into Brown’s office in the late morning, some plunking themselves into chairs and couches, to ask for a meeting with the Republican Senator. The Bay State group of about 250 people, many of them unemployed, arrived in Washington Monday night aboard five buses, according to Jason Stephany, the spokesman for MassUniting, which bills itself as “a coalition of neighbors, community groups, faith organizations and labor united in the fight for good jobs, corporate accountability, and stronger communities.” “We asked for a meeting with the Senator Brown,” said Jay Chambers, 38, an unemployed iron worker from Charlestown. “I had a question for him: Where are the jobs he campaigned for?” “Among the senator’s top priorities is job creation,” and he will continue to “work with good will” to pass job-creating legislation, Kinzel said in the hallway outside Brown’s office. The visit to Washington by the Massachusetts activists is part of a nationwide effort this week to bring attention to the unemployed, said Stephany, noting that groups from 46 states fanned out across Capitol offices. http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/12/activists-occupy-senator-brown-office/QtsJth48lSlpwr5xEumfTO/index.html again, it's not just Occupy, and the other groups are engaging in civil disobedience as well. It's a coordinated effort which hit numerous legislators' offices. Some legislators are "getting it", that all they want is to talk to them. Others, not so much. Quote: From all accounts, only four of about forty targeted Republicans bothered to show their faces to their constituents. For example, a couple of floors down, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin pinned a note out front declaring appointments only, and then locked his door. Quote: The Occupy Wall Street movement took its rage from the grounds of city parks to Capitol Hill Tuesday, sitting in outs multiple legislators’ offices including the office of Missouri U.S. Rep. Vicky Hartzler, R.Harrisonville Quote: Groups from different states went to lawmakers' offices Tuesday. About a dozen people were conducting what they called a sit-in outside the office of House Speaker John Boehner. One of them, John Reat from Ohio -- the state Boehner represents -- told CNN, "I've been unemployed for 24 months, and that's why I'm here. And we're not leaving until we talk to the speaker, or they close the building, whichever comes first." One group of protesters said they planned to conduct a sit-in at the office of Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip. About 20 people went to Kyl's office saying they wanted a forum to be heard. "All of Arizona is in the dark. We don't know what he's thinking," one said. "We'll stay until he hears us." That group also went to a conference room outside the office of another Maryland Democrat, Rep. Steny Hoyer, and spoke to his aides. http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/440-occupy/8771-protesters-wage-sit-ins-at-congressional-offices-in-dc] Quote: Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., met with a group of about two dozen Occupy protesters at his office in the nation’s capital Tuesday, the day after 14 demonstrators were arrested at his Bend and Medford offices for refusing to leave as they demanded a series of town halls in the 2nd Congressional District.Quote: About 25 people visited the office of Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland. He spoke to the group outside his office and told them he sympathizes with the unemployed. Quote:When we arrived at Reichert's office things didn't look very hopeful. Reichert was out, and not expected back, his receptionist told us, and besides, he had a very, very busy schedule. We were welcome to make an appointment with his scheduler if we wanted. To be clear: to make an appointment to make an appointment. Or, if we really wanted to wait around in hope of catching the congressmen, we were welcome to wait outside in the hall. No thank you, we replied. We'd wait right here inside his office. And so folks crowded in and found a spot to sit or stand where they could. And then, after about half an hour of folks telling their stories of economic displacement to each other, Reichert actually shows up and talks. And talks. And talks, and talks, and talks. For a guy who was sooooo busy, you sure wouldn't know it. I've got about an hour of video of Reichert talking, with a little bit of him listening thrown in. The guy's got stamina. He lasted longer than my camcorder battery. It's not like Reichert said anything much of, but, well, at least he showed up. Which is a helluva lot more than can be said of most of his colleagues.Sorry, but your attempt to say these are different from the Occupy movement and their "civil dosobedience is much more orderly". Occupy is a large part of it, in coordination with other groups, and other groups' civil disobedience has been the same, with people being arrested, etc. And Occupy is using the same tactics as these other groups:Quote:On Tuesday, Occupy DC protesters sat outside the offices of House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.I recognize your need to paint Occupy as violent and undisciplined, as compared to more "orderly" groups, but I'm afraid you're wrong; they're all working together and all using some of the same tactics.
Quote: From all accounts, only four of about forty targeted Republicans bothered to show their faces to their constituents. For example, a couple of floors down, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin pinned a note out front declaring appointments only, and then locked his door.
Quote: The Occupy Wall Street movement took its rage from the grounds of city parks to Capitol Hill Tuesday, sitting in outs multiple legislators’ offices including the office of Missouri U.S. Rep. Vicky Hartzler, R.Harrisonville
Quote: Groups from different states went to lawmakers' offices Tuesday. About a dozen people were conducting what they called a sit-in outside the office of House Speaker John Boehner. One of them, John Reat from Ohio -- the state Boehner represents -- told CNN, "I've been unemployed for 24 months, and that's why I'm here. And we're not leaving until we talk to the speaker, or they close the building, whichever comes first." One group of protesters said they planned to conduct a sit-in at the office of Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip. About 20 people went to Kyl's office saying they wanted a forum to be heard. "All of Arizona is in the dark. We don't know what he's thinking," one said. "We'll stay until he hears us." That group also went to a conference room outside the office of another Maryland Democrat, Rep. Steny Hoyer, and spoke to his aides. http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/440-occupy/8771-protesters-wage-sit-ins-at-congressional-offices-in-dc] Quote: Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., met with a group of about two dozen Occupy protesters at his office in the nation’s capital Tuesday, the day after 14 demonstrators were arrested at his Bend and Medford offices for refusing to leave as they demanded a series of town halls in the 2nd Congressional District.Quote: About 25 people visited the office of Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland. He spoke to the group outside his office and told them he sympathizes with the unemployed. Quote:When we arrived at Reichert's office things didn't look very hopeful. Reichert was out, and not expected back, his receptionist told us, and besides, he had a very, very busy schedule. We were welcome to make an appointment with his scheduler if we wanted. To be clear: to make an appointment to make an appointment. Or, if we really wanted to wait around in hope of catching the congressmen, we were welcome to wait outside in the hall. No thank you, we replied. We'd wait right here inside his office. And so folks crowded in and found a spot to sit or stand where they could. And then, after about half an hour of folks telling their stories of economic displacement to each other, Reichert actually shows up and talks. And talks. And talks, and talks, and talks. For a guy who was sooooo busy, you sure wouldn't know it. I've got about an hour of video of Reichert talking, with a little bit of him listening thrown in. The guy's got stamina. He lasted longer than my camcorder battery. It's not like Reichert said anything much of, but, well, at least he showed up. Which is a helluva lot more than can be said of most of his colleagues.Sorry, but your attempt to say these are different from the Occupy movement and their "civil dosobedience is much more orderly". Occupy is a large part of it, in coordination with other groups, and other groups' civil disobedience has been the same, with people being arrested, etc. And Occupy is using the same tactics as these other groups:Quote:On Tuesday, Occupy DC protesters sat outside the offices of House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.I recognize your need to paint Occupy as violent and undisciplined, as compared to more "orderly" groups, but I'm afraid you're wrong; they're all working together and all using some of the same tactics.
Quote: Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., met with a group of about two dozen Occupy protesters at his office in the nation’s capital Tuesday, the day after 14 demonstrators were arrested at his Bend and Medford offices for refusing to leave as they demanded a series of town halls in the 2nd Congressional District.
Quote: About 25 people visited the office of Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland. He spoke to the group outside his office and told them he sympathizes with the unemployed.
Quote:When we arrived at Reichert's office things didn't look very hopeful. Reichert was out, and not expected back, his receptionist told us, and besides, he had a very, very busy schedule. We were welcome to make an appointment with his scheduler if we wanted. To be clear: to make an appointment to make an appointment. Or, if we really wanted to wait around in hope of catching the congressmen, we were welcome to wait outside in the hall. No thank you, we replied. We'd wait right here inside his office. And so folks crowded in and found a spot to sit or stand where they could. And then, after about half an hour of folks telling their stories of economic displacement to each other, Reichert actually shows up and talks. And talks. And talks, and talks, and talks. For a guy who was sooooo busy, you sure wouldn't know it. I've got about an hour of video of Reichert talking, with a little bit of him listening thrown in. The guy's got stamina. He lasted longer than my camcorder battery. It's not like Reichert said anything much of, but, well, at least he showed up. Which is a helluva lot more than can be said of most of his colleagues.
Quote:On Tuesday, Occupy DC protesters sat outside the offices of House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Thursday, December 8, 2011 7:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: The Occupy movement is both bringing media attention to things other groups have had little or no success with and increasing the numbers of those groups' protests. It's not about OccupyWallStreet, if you note, it's OccupyDC, a local group just like us, and each local group decides on "actions" they wish to take. That's a large part of the reason other groups have joined them in actions such as this, and I think it's great that Occupy is being effective in bringing the issue of other groups to the nation's attention.
Quote:Ergo, apparently it is not just the Occupy people who are practicing civil disobedience, and being arrested.
Quote:...the MSM isn't just claiming it's all Occupy protesters.
Quote:I recognize your need to paint Occupy as violent and undisciplined, as compared to more "orderly" groups, but I'm afraid you're wrong; they're all working together and all using some of the same tactics.
Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: to the point where them fascist fucks would destroy all rather than see it in any hands but their own... I am Done. Talking. They've made it absolutely, abundantly clear that their ideology cannot survive in the presence of any other alternative whatsoever...which prettymuch leaves only one real choice... Us or Them.
Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:24 AM
Quote:“K Street is the place to be if you’re going to stop the moneybags who are corrupting our government,” said Jim Sessions, 75, a Methodist minister from Tennessee who was arrested Wednesday.
Quote:“Getting arrested will make people think: ‘These people care enough to be arrested? This must matter,’ ” said Natalie Atwater, 20, of Austin.
Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: OWS is mad that they can't win
Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:08 PM
Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: OWS is mad that they can't win Your right they can't win...that the whole point. No matter how hard they work, or for how many hours they can't win because the rules. If it is damn easy why is it that families that once could survive on a single income and get ahead, now require two just to stay afloat?
Friday, December 9, 2011 3:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Would be appreciated if you could list some of the "stuff" these other groups have accomplished.
Quote:How much national publicity have these groups obtained by their efforts? How much are they getting NOW?
Quote:The Occupy movement has united people all across the nation, of every race, creed, age and station in life.
Quote:To call us all by derrogatory terms which may only apply to a few, or to NONE, is telling.
Friday, December 9, 2011 7:05 AM
Quote:Aside from the Common Dreams article above, they're getting very little
Quote:for much longer and with more result
Friday, December 9, 2011 8:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: And yet every article I called up to respond to your post listed other groups--I posted a couple of them, the rest were duplicative. So they're getting press, and while I believe they would have gotten attention whether Occupy was there or not, will you concede that they got MORE because of their presence? All the article I found listed other groups.
Quote:As to Quote:for much longer and with more result...
Quote:for much longer and with more result...
Quote:Yes, perhaps your terms haven't been derogatory; I sometimes confuse people and your negative feelings about Occupy might be what I'm talking about, I'm not going to search back to find out. If I'm wrong, I apologize. But it's quite obvious you have nothing but negative things to say about them and their efforts. It is that which I was addressing.
Quote:I also never said Occupy was a sponsor, merely that other groups joined with them...
Quote:I think they also brought some attention by going to legislators' offices. Again, it obviously accomplished nothing but to show that the vast majority of legislators wouldn't even talk to them, but it did that much, and they DID talk to a few. I believe that was Occupy's action alone.
Quote: The Bay State group of about 250 people, many of them unemployed, arrived in Washington Monday night aboard five buses, according to Jason Stephany, the spokesman for MassUniting, which bills itself as “a coalition of neighbors, community groups, faith organizations and labor united in the fight for good jobs, corporate accountability, and stronger communities.” “We asked for a meeting with the Senator Brown,” said Jay Chambers, 38, an unemployed iron worker from Charlestown. “I had a question for him: Where are the jobs he campaigned for?”
Friday, December 9, 2011 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Good thing you didn't say "properly spelled" or "grammatically correct" in your brown-nosed response, because that would have made it truly hilarious.
Friday, December 9, 2011 10:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: They don't want to work. They want things GIVEN to them, and that's the problem. They've bought into the lies that their union bosses and govt employers told them. And now they're seeing how out of sync their bogus life styles are w/ the REAL world, it infuriates them that they aren't living in a world they were told existed.
Friday, December 9, 2011 11:20 AM
Quote:Progressive Maryland, a nonprofit organization that says it works to improve conditions for working families. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-06/us/us_occupy-congress_1_protests-mcpherson-square-movement-and-other-groups?_s=PM:US Tuesday, with about 15 other activists from the Los Angeles nonprofit Good Jobs LA and an allied group from New York, she showed up around 12:30 p.m. at the Washington office of Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., who represents Ventura County, where Miller lives ..... “We’re standing in solidarity because … this is something that crosses state lines, something that affects all of us,” said Cara Noel, an activist who joined from United New York, a nonprofit that aids working-class people. . http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9255645-activists-show-up-to-retake-congress
Friday, December 9, 2011 1:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: You've made my argument for me. "Us or Them". I note for the record that is in fact two choices. You have made one for yourself and now would deny that right to everyone else.
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