Kim Jong Il Dead! by Kwicko

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Kim Jong Il Dead!

POSTED BY: KWICKO
UPDATED: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:58
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:23 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

So says Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-19/kim-jong-il-north-korea-s-dea
r-leader-dictator-dead-at-70-yonhap-says.html

Quote:
Kim Jong Il, the second-generation North Korean dictator who defied global condemnation to build nuclear weapons while his people starved, has died, Yonhap News reported. He was 70.
The news came in a radio broadcast at noon local time, Yonhap reported, citing North Korea’s official media. Kim probably had a stroke in August 2008 and may have also contracted pancreatic cancer, according to South Korean news reports.
The son of Kim Il Sung, North Korea’s founder, Kim was a chain-smoking recluse who ruled for 17 years after coming to power in July 1994 and resisted opening up to the outside world in order to protect his regime. The potential succession of his little-known third son, Kim Jong Un, threatens to trigger a dangerous period for the Korean peninsula, where 1.7 million troops from the two Koreas and the U.S. square off every day.

He will absolutely not be missed.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:59 PM

DREAMTROVE

People with whom we disagree are never the true enemy, the true enemy is death, and I will celebrate its victory over no one. I am saddened by the loss of the beloved leader, even if I commented on his fruitcakery earlier today. Actually, he came up several times over the course of the day.

As for how this effect things, we can always hope that he was the lone wild card pushing towards war, and not the lone restraining force keeping it back.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:15 PM

WISHIMAY

You "disagree" he starved the people of his country?

Ya know they ran adverts urging people to forage grasses and tree bark and roots to survive while he was sippin the finest spirits WE make and entire generations had stunted growth due to STARVATION, right??

The guy was an EVIL fuck...
Ding dong, the evil fuck is dead...

I'm thrilled. Even if his son does start a war, the karma of this planet is better off without him....

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:22 PM

CHRISISALL

He's not dead; it's a tarp.

Trap.

Whatever.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:24 PM

DREAMTROVE

Wiki reveals you are correct. I didn't know anything about a north korean famine, but here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

Early on in the days of KJI. That was a bad time for politically caused famines, ethopia, somalia, zimbabwe, iraq as well. Why didn't I hear about this one? Just ignorant I guess. Did everyone else know?

All I knew about KJI was his plan to bomb America, Japan and Korea, and that he executed people who disagreed with him, and called western and south korean women whores, etc. the usual madness, but he wasn't on my genocide list. Shame on me, I guess. Anyway, thanks for pointing it out.

ETA: Reading on, this is very convenient: The famine, supposedly caused by the floods of mid-95 actually started in '94 directly after KJI came to power. His "Military First" policy gave food to the military first, so that was a recruitment technique. I kill those who don't serve. Okay, I'm pretty evil. That does go right up with "I kill those who don't vote for me" Mugabe. Also like the "I kill those who don't support me" Hussein. Socialists. Did I mention how much I hate these guys?

So, yeah, genocider definitely far worse than nutjob.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:37 PM

WISHIMAY

Thank you, PBS...
They did a documentary I caught a couple years ago with Laura? Ling. It was startling. The amount of brainwash-i-tide over there made me not sleep for a week. Many homes only had a picture of him on their walls. They loved him with a sickening level of devotion, god-like. I can only hope his son has a tenth of a clue, though I have massive doubts about what's to come.

This year has been an epic one. In some ways the very worst, and in some ways the best... Next year should be interesting to say the least.

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:49 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

The amount of brainwash-i-tide over there made me not sleep for a week. Many homes only had a picture of him on their walls. They loved him with a sickening level of devotion, god-like.

This part I knew about. Sadly, it's more common in the world than we might think. Part of the reason "Obama worship" gets the flack that it does is that the whole "beloved leader" phenomenon appears far too often, and, like so many things, hyperinflationary currencies, torture, death squads, we think of these as things that can only happen in the third world, but they can happen here too.

Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire

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From wikipedia:

The evening news on television was preceded by an image of him descending through clouds from the heavens, portraits of him adorned many public places, government officials wore lapels bearing his portrait, and he held such titles as "Father of the Nation," "Savior of the People," and "Supreme Combatant."

There was around the same time a leader in, I think it was CAR, who ate the children of the poor for dinner because he thought that it gave him supernatural power over them.

Worth bearing in mind when we ally ourselves to revolutionaries like the one in Libya whose name was arabic for "get the black race out of Libya" that we can create this.

KJI, of course, was the creation of China. When you set up a puppet leader, you're setting up a traitor as president, because if they agree to be your puppet, they're automatically a traitor to their own people, so things are bound to not go well.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:50 PM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Many homes only had a picture of him on their walls. They loved him with a sickening level of devotion, god-like.

Not really.

People don't love evil dictators. They PRETEND to love evil dictators. Cause if they don't, evil dictators torture their families to death.

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:52 PM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire

Trust me on this. People in the DRC did NOT love Mobutu. See previous post to Wish.

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Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:16 PM

WISHIMAY

I dunno... They were talking in the documentary about the "doublethink" of it all, that the people knew what was going on and who probably should have been blamed, but in being so isolated and having no other option they literally force themselves to "love" him in a way. Not a normal deffinition of love, fer sure....

That's the true art of brainwashing, right there

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Monday, December 19, 2011 5:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

The world has lost the greatest golfer never seen.

Pity.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, December 19, 2011 5:34 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by canttakesky:

People don't love evil dictators. They PRETEND to love evil dictators. Cause if they don't, evil dictators torture their families to death.

Very true. Sorry, I didn't catch the "They loved him" part of Wish's post.

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They were talking in the documentary about the "doublethink" of it all

Which is sort of third hand information froma media source, whereas right now you're talking to people who personally know many people from totalitarian regimes.

Me thinks you're coming close to living in one, which is why the Obama-beloved leader thing bugs me. However, it's just democrats at the moment, republicans worship a different god.

Generally the info I get from people who live in such states is "you learn to say it, or at least shut up about not saying it" but yes, there are a small minority who worship their dictator, I know of two, offhand, but that puts them low in the single digit percentiles. I don't know why they do it, but I suspect they end up in govt., which may be why they do it.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, December 19, 2011 5:56 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Thank you, PBS...
They did a documentary I caught a couple years ago with Laura? Ling. It was startling. The amount of brainwash-i-tide over there made me not sleep for a week. Many homes only had a picture of him on their walls. They loved him with a sickening level of devotion, god-like. I can only hope his son has a tenth of a clue, though I have massive doubts about what's to come.

This year has been an epic one. In some ways the very worst, and in some ways the best... Next year should be interesting to say the least.

I saw that same documentary and got the same sense from it you did. Middle ages. Sure, some of it may be "I'll pretend to love him," but I'll wager a lot of it was real, and with more passion than you get toward any human. This was brainwashing - when you know nothing else and can't know anything else, not surprising.

His successor - why do I get this image of a 20 lb butterball turkey sitting in the middle of a table with representatives from about a dozen countries sitting there all licking their chops?

"A plump young man now in his late 20s, Kim Jong Eun studied for a time in Switzerland at a German-speaking high school in Liebefeld, a suburb of the Swiss capital Bern. Former classmates remember a shy but determined boy obsessed with American basketball and expensive sports shoes. "

Lebron, some lady named Hillary on line 1.

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Monday, December 19, 2011 6:21 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Kim Jong Il: Now you see, the changing of the worrd is inevitabre!
Lisa: I'm sorry, it's what?
Kim Jong Il: Inevit, inevitabre.
Lisa: One more time.
Kim Jong Il: [shouts] Inevitabre! Things are inevitabrey going to change! Goddamnit, open your fucking ears!

Looks like he was right. Change is inevitabre.

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Monday, December 19, 2011 6:29 AM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I dunno... They were talking in the documentary about the "doublethink" of it all, that the people knew what was going on and who probably should have been blamed, but in being so isolated and having no other option they literally force themselves to "love" him in a way. Not a normal deffinition of love, fer sure....

That's the true art of brainwashing, right there

I didn't see the documentary. But those claims are completely inconsistent with my experience and the experience of everyone I know who has ever lived in a dictatorship.

So, I say the documentary was wrong, if it claimed that. Just my opinion.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Monday, December 19, 2011 6:51 AM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
His successor - why do I get this image of a 20 lb butterball turkey sitting in the middle of a table with representatives from about a dozen countries sitting there all licking their chops?

Oh, TOTALLY! Plump!! hehehe.

I does seem bizarre that they have fetishes for American crap, and yet run the country the way he did. I guess it's kinda like my liking of asian decor because it's exotic compared to what else is available, but I have a total lack of a desire to really go there. I kinda wanted to go ta Japan, but...

I really wish mankind would stop wrecking all the good vacation spots

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Monday, December 19, 2011 7:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It's probably 99% propaganda, but as people here swallow idiocy and evil whole, I have no doubt there are those in North Korea who have too:

Quote:
People wept openly on the streets of the capital, Pyongyang

I don't believe in "evil" people. People DO evil things; that's as far as I'll go. Nonetheless, I'm glad he's gone.

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Monday, December 19, 2011 11:58 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I'm glad he's gone too Niki. I did hear about that famine in N Korea back in the 90s when it was happening, I was a kid but I remember it for some reason, there were lots of famines around that time.

I saw that documentary too, was that the one with group gymnastics as the focus and as a sagway to go and visit the homes of the girls in the gymnastics team? It was a creepy movie, but no doubt accurate.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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