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More trickle down tyranny: pepper sprayed to death.
Friday, December 23, 2011 6:37 AM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:From Fox 13 in Tampa comes the horrifying story of Nick Christie, a 62-year-old Ohio man who was detained by the Lee County Sheriff's Office for being publicly intoxicated. While Christie's wife asked that he be taken to the hospital, Lee County cops decided instead to strip Christie naked, tie him to a chair, cover his face, and then pepper spray him repeatedly, until he died....
Friday, December 23, 2011 7:19 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, December 23, 2011 12:11 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Friday, December 23, 2011 6:35 PM
WISHIMAY
Friday, December 23, 2011 7:57 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, December 23, 2011 8:32 PM
HERO
Friday, December 23, 2011 8:45 PM
Quote:Do prosecutors have total immunity from lawsuits for anything they do, including framing someone for murder? That is the question the justices of the Supreme Court face Wednesday. On one side of the case being argued are Iowa prosecutors who contend "there is no freestanding right not to be framed." They are backed by the Obama administration, 28 states and every major prosecutors organization in the country.
Quote:"If a prosecutor knowingly introduces false evidence at trial, that prosecutor is absolutely immune from lawsuit," explains Stephen Sanders, an attorney representing Richter and Hrvol. The rationale is that if prosecutors could be blamed for errors in a trial, they would become vulnerable targets for any litigious convict with an ax to grind.
Quote:Advocates for the wrongly convicted denounced the decision. Prosecutors have "enormous power over all of our lives," said Keith Findley, president of the Innocence Network, yet "no other profession is shielded from this complete lack of accountability." In Thompson's case, at least four prosecutors knew of the blood test, eyewitness reports and other evidence that, once revealed, showed they had charged the wrong man. "When this kind of conduct happens and it goes unpunished, it sends a devastating message throughout the system," said Sherrilyn Ifill, a University of Maryland law professor. "It means more of these incidents will happen."
Friday, December 23, 2011 8:46 PM
Quote:Finch: I had to see it. There wasn't much left. But when I was there it was strange – I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It was like I could see the whole thing; one long chain of events that stretched back to before Larkhill. I felt like I could see everything that had happened, and everything that was going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern laid out in front of me and I realized that we were all part of it, and all trapped by it.
Friday, December 23, 2011 11:58 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:59 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I'm sure it'll be okay, as long as they didn't call it "torture".
Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:46 AM
DREAMTROVE
Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Anyone die from waterboarding, or come close ( because clearly , this is what you're trying to compare it to ). The answer to that, is no.
Quote:2. Waterboarding is not a simulation. Unless you have been strapped down to the board, have endured the agonizing feeling of the water overpowering your gag reflex, and then feel your throat open and allow pint after pint of water to involuntarily fill your lungs, you will not know the meaning of the word. Waterboarding is a controlled drowning that, in the American model, occurs under the watch of a doctor, a psychologist, an interrogator and a trained strap-in/strap-out team. It does not simulate drowning, as the lungs are actually filling with water. There is no way to simulate that. The victim is drowning. How much the victim is to drown depends on the desired result (in the form of answers to questions shouted into the victim's face) and the obstinacy of the subject. A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience, to horrific suffocating punishment to the final death spiral. Waterboarding is slow motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of black out and expiration --usually the person goes into hysterics on the board. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch and if it goes wrong, it can lead straight to terminal hypoxia. When done right it is controlled death. Its lack of physical scarring allows the victim to recover and be threaten with its use again and again. Call it "Chinese Water Torture," "the Barrel," or "the Waterfall," it is all the same. Whether the victim is allowed to comply or not is usually left up to the interrogator. Many waterboard team members, even in training, enjoy the sadistic power of making the victim suffer and often ask questions as an after thought. These people are dangerous and predictable and when left unshackled, unsupervised or undetected they bring us the murderous abuses seen at Abu Ghraieb, Baghram and Guantanamo.
Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Anderson_death_controversy
Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:41 AM
Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:54 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/23/lee-county-deputies-tied-suspect-to-a-ch Quote:From Fox 13 in Tampa comes the horrifying story of Nick Christie, a 62-year-old Ohio man who was detained by the Lee County Sheriff's Office for being publicly intoxicated. While Christie's wife asked that he be taken to the hospital, Lee County cops decided instead to strip Christie naked, tie him to a chair, cover his face, and then pepper spray him repeatedly, until he died....
Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: They must be running it now because the phrase "pepper spray " is in it. Seems like more attempted Manipulation with Fear and also trying to ring up the adwords cash register - clever if kinda shady.
Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:45 AM
Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: I thought the pepper story was an update, like they had just ruled it a homicide, or something, but I didn't look it up.
Monday, December 26, 2011 1:41 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
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