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Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:10 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


The futility of nation building gets worse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/world/asia/afghan-soldiers-step-up-k
illings-of-allied-forces.html?_r=1&hp


If they would just tell us we're there for the minerals, or something, but they can't even be a little honest. Why is honesty the last choice??

Some highlights from the section on when you should know it's never going to work:

"American and other coalition forces here are being killed in increasing numbers by the very Afghan soldiers they fight alongside and train, in attacks motivated by deep-seated animosity between the supposedly allied forces, according to American and Afghan officers and a classified coalition report.

Who's the enemy again?

"A decade into the war in Afghanistan, the report makes clear that these killings have become the most visible symptom of a far deeper ailment plaguing the war effort: the contempt each side holds for the other, never mind the Taliban."

"“Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between ‘allies’ in modern military history),” it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary “seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest,” said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings."

“The sense of hatred is growing rapidly,” said an Afghan Army colonel. He described his troops as “thieves, liars and drug addicts,” but also said that the Americans were “rude, arrogant bullies who use foul language.”

Such a deal - we bought all that Hate for only 1,500,000,000,000 dollars.

"The United States soldier was killed this month when an Afghan soldier opened fire on Americans playing volleyball at a base in the southern province of Zabul. The assailant was quickly gunned down. The deadliest single incident came last April when an Afghan Air Force colonel, Ahmed Gul, killed eight unsuspecting American officers and a contractor with shots to the head inside their headquarters.

He then killed himself after writing “God in your name” and “God is one” in blood on the walls of the base, according to an Air Force investigation of the incident released this week."



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Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:55 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


What a mess.

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Monday, January 23, 2012 7:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, we need to bring them home.



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Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:51 PM

OONJERAH



Afghan war whistleblower Daniel Davis: “I had to speak out – lives are at stake” =>
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2012/04/14/afghan-war-whistleblower-da
niel-davis-i-had-to-speak-out-lives-are-at-stake.html


Soldier wrote detailed report claiming US generals 'have so distorted the truth …
the truth has become unrecognisable'

The career soldier is now a black sheep at the giant defence department building
where he still works. The reason was his extraordinarily brave decision to accuse
America's military top brass of lying about the war in Afghanistan. When he went
public in the New York Times, he was acclaimed as a hero for speaking out about
a war that many Americans feel has gone horribly awry. Later this month he will
receive a Ridenhour prize, an award given to whistleblowers that is named after
the Vietnam war soldier who exposed the My Lai massacre.

Davis believes people are not being told the truth and said so in a detailed report
that he wrote after returning from his second tour of duty in the country. He had
been rocketed, mortared and had stepped on an improvised explosive device that
failed to explode. Soldiers he had met were killed and he was certain that a bloody
disaster was unfolding. So he spoke out. "It's like I see in slow motion men dying
for nothing and I can't stop it," he said. "It is consuming me from the inside. It
is eating me alive."



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:28 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Afghan war whistleblower Daniel Davis: “I had to speak out – lives are at stake” =>
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2012/04/14/afghan-war-whistleblower-da
niel-davis-i-had-to-speak-out-lives-are-at-stake.html


Soldier wrote detailed report claiming US generals 'have so distorted the truth …
the truth has become unrecognisable'



The 84 page report:

http://militaryreporter.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Davis-report1.p
df


Page 26:
"One of the key questions most readers must be asking about this point in the report, is how could such an extensive, pervasive, and long-running series of deceptive statements have gone unnoticed by virtually the entire country? There are a number of reasons, but perhaps none bigger than the role played by the major media in this country. This is not an issue where “the liberal media” of the major networks failed, or “the right-wing conservatives” of FOX News, nor any other specific network. Rather, it was a cumulative failure of our nation’s major media in every category: network news, cable news, magazines and major newspapers.
The first point is also probably the most obvious: in today’s world of major journalism, it’s all about viewership ratings which directly drive the bottom line: advertising revenue.
"Clicky Clicky Journalism"

This on top of finding out that it's costing us 2 BILLION A WEEK....

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Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:38 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Heroin production is up 15,000% since the US/UK invasion. That's all you need to know. Or you'll get Pat Tillmanned.





Quote:

"I'm Barack Obama, the Marxist professor. I spent the last two years of high school in a daze. I inhaled
frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead, that
where I was headed. Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant
mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. You ain't my bitch
nigger, buy your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father MP3
(written by Communist terrorist bomber Bill Ayres)
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/
http://piratenews.org/obamacrimes.html




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Sunday, April 22, 2012 3:58 PM

OONJERAH



Afghanistan, U.S. reach pact on post-2014 American support =>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/afghanistan-us-reach-p
act-on-post-2014-american-support/2012/04/22/gIQAtnVNaT_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop


KABUL — After more than a year of negotiations, U.S. & Afghan officials reached
an agreement Sunday affirming the United States’ commitment to Afghanistan for
a decade after its formal troop withdrawal in 2014.

The document, which must be reviewed by the Afghan parliament and U.S. security
agencies and signed by both nations’ presidents, does not specify troop numbers
or funding levels, but it offers a broad guarantee that the U.S. role here will
not end as abruptly as some feared it might.

For months, Afghan President Hamid Karzai refused to consider the agreement until
American-led night raids were halted and the United States handed over its main
military prison to Afghan officials. Those roadblocks were removed with the sign-
ing of recent deals, which cleared the way for the partnership agreement before a
key NATO summit next month. . . .


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Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:16 PM

CATPIRATE


Pizmo, Have you been there. Sounds like you have. Let me ramble since I just got back from the Stan. I lost a very good job after 9/11. Very angry for a long time. My coworkers over the last 10 years at companies who hated GW all went over there to fill their pockets. So I went for money. Not that good for the hours and comforts. But I had paid a huge tax bill a few years ago so not paying taxes was a good thing. First the web site Danger Zone will give you better numbers on contractor deaths. It is more than troop deaths. I am very right wing. I was in the service under Reagan. I see alot of slackers in the military, from openly queer, to women who are not fit, old guys out of shape, and everbody wanting to go to college for a worthless degree. Your there to work and get the job done. Now I heard it's all about the mission. Ask any of them what the mission is. They give you a blank stare.

The military in general looked like they wanted to merge all the services. Which is a mistake. Everyone is equal crap. Thank God for the paratroopers. They just looked alot more bigger than your average grunt. The Marines looked very fit. Not as big as the paratroopers but gritty. The airforce is not to impressive. A big social experiment. But the C130 crews work their butts off. I'll give them that. The Navy still has the brain power in it. Their is an overweight problem. Alot of fat boys.

The news today just came out that the US will support militarily and finacially another 10 years there after the so called pull out in 2014. The "O" stands for OT. The US and Nato have quite a few bases there. Also quite a few secret bases in the middle east. Some are just desert air strips for landings. Now that we have pulled out of Iraq we have increased are build up in the Gulf countries. They are not equipped right now to handle so many troops. So more contractors. Also with grumblings in Bahrain the 5th fleet will be out of there and move to Doha in 5 years. The Straits of Hormuz is to critical for oil shipments. The oil fleets are so many in the Gulf from the air you can literally step on them from Iran to Saudi. It is amazing to see. The world needs oil. Afghanastan is to strategic for many reasons geopolitcally. It has the highest opium production, oil, and minerals untapped. A jumping point into the Gulf from Russia, China, and India. Also with Iran and Pakistan on each side a great place for covert base operations. Eye in the sky to boots on the ground. Afghanastan is ancient and a world governed by force. That is just the way it is. So nation building is a waste of time.

The muslim world hates us but loves are money. We pay for everything from flying in their airspace to training them to do our job. Our troops do their time but complain about why. The thing that bugs me is when you hear troops killed by our allies. The military is to politically correct which gets them killed. I think the military has had their balls cut off. That is why you hear contractors , black ops, waxing nationals. They get it and are still alive. Also it is very dangerous from shelling. A fellow coworker lost an eye from getting hit. That was on a secure base. But that is the job.

The Rig Zone web site shows how much oil is booming. Plenty of jobs, no not clerks with degree jobs but real jobs. Azerbaijan is the booming country of the world. They are rebuilding from the ground up their capitol. Kyrgyzstan has alot of investment from Turkey, S Korea, and Canada. Gold mining is big there. American fast food is another boom industry. KFC is huge in China. And Popeyes is growing like crazy in Turkey. You have to think globally just to get a good job. I believe you limit yourself if you don't. I know I appreciate the good ole USA alot better.

And one more thing we are quitely moving into Africa. Djibouti is our spring board. Why? Well in 2050 a huge population explosion is expected. Water, farming, ranching, oil, and minerals are untapped in the head waters of the nile. Lake Victoria looks like the next hot spot. China, India, and Brazil our investing heavily in these areas. With education, language schools, and jobs for the locals. It's amazing. Hiliary Clinton warned not to long ago about the growing new colonization of Africa. African airlines biggest customer is China. I know I travel to much but I am glad I can always get a Coke and Cheesburger from Mickey Dees. The best Coke is in Qatar.

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Monday, April 23, 2012 3:44 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by CATPIRATE:
Pizmo, Have you been there. Sounds like you have. Let me ramble since I just got back from the Stan. I lost a very good job after 9/11. Very angry for a long time. My coworkers over the last 10 years at companies who hated GW all went over there to fill their pockets. So I went for money. Not that good for the hours and comforts. But I had paid a huge tax bill a few years ago so not paying taxes was a good thing. First the web site Danger Zone will give you better numbers on contractor deaths. It is more than troop deaths. I am very right wing. I was in the service under Reagan. I see alot of slackers in the military, from openly queer, to women who are not fit, old guys out of shape, and everbody wanting to go to college for a worthless degree. Your there to work and get the job done. Now I heard it's all about the mission. Ask any of them what the mission is. They give you a blank stare.

The military in general looked like they wanted to merge all the services. Which is a mistake. Everyone is equal crap. Thank God for the paratroopers. They just looked alot more bigger than your average grunt. The Marines looked very fit. Not as big as the paratroopers but gritty. The airforce is not to impressive. A big social experiment. But the C130 crews work their butts off. I'll give them that. The Navy still has the brain power in it. Their is an overweight problem. Alot of fat boys.

The news today just came out that the US will support militarily and finacially another 10 years there after the so called pull out in 2014. The "O" stands for OT. The US and Nato have quite a few bases there. Also quite a few secret bases in the middle east. Some are just desert air strips for landings. Now that we have pulled out of Iraq we have increased are build up in the Gulf countries. They are not equipped right now to handle so many troops. So more contractors. Also with grumblings in Bahrain the 5th fleet will be out of there and move to Doha in 5 years. The Straits of Hormuz is to critical for oil shipments. The oil fleets are so many in the Gulf from the air you can literally step on them from Iran to Saudi. It is amazing to see. The world needs oil. Afghanastan is to strategic for many reasons geopolitcally. It has the highest opium production, oil, and minerals untapped. A jumping point into the Gulf from Russia, China, and India. Also with Iran and Pakistan on each side a great place for covert base operations. Eye in the sky to boots on the ground. Afghanastan is ancient and a world governed by force. That is just the way it is. So nation building is a waste of time.

The muslim world hates us but loves are money. We pay for everything from flying in their airspace to training them to do our job. Our troops do their time but complain about why. The thing that bugs me is when you hear troops killed by our allies. The military is to politically correct which gets them killed. I think the military has had their balls cut off. That is why you hear contractors , black ops, waxing nationals. They get it and are still alive. Also it is very dangerous from shelling. A fellow coworker lost an eye from getting hit. That was on a secure base. But that is the job.

The Rig Zone web site shows how much oil is booming. Plenty of jobs, no not clerks with degree jobs but real jobs. Azerbaijan is the booming country of the world. They are rebuilding from the ground up their capitol. Kyrgyzstan has alot of investment from Turkey, S Korea, and Canada. Gold mining is big there. American fast food is another boom industry. KFC is huge in China. And Popeyes is growing like crazy in Turkey. You have to think globally just to get a good job. I believe you limit yourself if you don't. I know I appreciate the good ole USA alot better.

And one more thing we are quitely moving into Africa. Djibouti is our spring board. Why? Well in 2050 a huge population explosion is expected. Water, farming, ranching, oil, and minerals are untapped in the head waters of the nile. Lake Victoria looks like the next hot spot. China, India, and Brazil our investing heavily in these areas. With education, language schools, and jobs for the locals. It's amazing. Hiliary Clinton warned not to long ago about the growing new colonization of Africa. African airlines biggest customer is China. I know I travel to much but I am glad I can always get a Coke and Cheesburger from Mickey Dees. The best Coke is in Qatar.



Thanks for the perspective CP, I find it very interesting.
No, never been, never military, but I think after a while even from this far away you can see patterns of behavior that are similar no matter if people are making mud pies or nation building. Greed, sloth, pretty basic human traits, "The muslim world hates us but loves are money," yep.
I am encouraged to hear that we'll be trying to subdue the Taliban with a new proven attack plan: High Fructose Corn Syrup in the form of a chicken nuggets - those damn secret herbs and spices! The thought of Colonel Saunders killing radicals from his grave makes me smile. It's worked here, why not there?

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Monday, April 23, 2012 10:40 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Cat, what capacity were you there in? Were you in the military or contracting? Mercinary? You're pretty new to posting and its fun to get to know new people.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:40 AM

CATPIRATE


Rionaeire, Howdy. I've been on FFRWD for awhile from 2005 I think. My email changed so did my name. But PirateCat has been busy. I only post on this one and use to on my Tucson sport's radio. Well I moved and bam been busy. FF I come back to once in awhile. The last 3 years I have worked and lived around Mexicans in Tucson, Mormon's in Salt Lake City, Drunks and Coke heads in Las Vegas, Muslims in the Gulf, and Russian Mafia in the Stan. It's been bizarre. My life speeded up after 9/11. I had a nice cool life. Now it has turned into bizarro world.

I contract in the civilian and military worlds. The civilian companies takes a long time to build up vacation and pay then they lay you off. I am to old to stay with one company for a long time to get back to where I was in 1999. One company I worked for made a 100 million dollar profit and still cut people. The military industrial complex makes that look like chump change. Left or Right it doesn't matter the MIC puts out a machine. Politically, economically, and globally is what drives it. I will be going back in July.

What I do is contract work but I do a military job as a civilian technician. Now each country is different. Some contracts hire for locals, foreign workers, and US or Nato civilians for certain clearances. Laborer and unskilled work will go to hese people. On military bases you might have Americans supervising janitors due to the clearance aspect of where your at. Where I worked my company was mainly civilians and we got to meet people as high up as it goes. You see them on TV all the time. I enjoyed my work and gave a 100 percent. Now as far as merks goes. Alot of Special Forces units everywhere, civilian soldiers undercover maybe as body guards, private bodyguards, CIA types, and then merks. There is a vibe of the wild west. Alot of guns. Of course I didn't even carry a bullit, kinda of felt necked.

It is a very dangerous place in Iraq and Afghanastan with land mines, shelling, and suicide bombers. Now just driving off the road could wax you. I was around alot of caskets being sent home. So that can be a bummer. But you do your job. And try to help the young people who are there risking their lives. There was more than one soldier running around with one leg. I thought can't we get him a desk job. He has done enough. Your front line military units are the military. Alot of support to keep them fighting makes up most of the military. I don't believe women should be there. Some can cut it but most are like little girls to me.

When contracting overseas for the military. First it really helps if you have been in the military. Second hopefullly you have done some camping. Very harsh conditions. A tent and a portapotty for a year is ruff. Contracts range from year to year. Soup kitchen in a tent for eating. Barracks are beat up and share with someone smelly. So alot of young people quit within a month. Some last up to 6 months. But the ones who last are the old dudes. Young women who do this don't last because their to soft and immature. Now civilian contractors for Oil and Gold mines are making the real bucks. But you are on your own. So you can be a target easily. Right now there is no money in the till so contracts have been slashed, even with the tax free which is 11 months out of country is not that good for long hours 7 days a week living under stress. But there is jobs if interested. The corporations will make the cash and still put out poor quality in roads and buildings.

One thing people who get greedy never take time off which seems to me to lead to depression. I seen quite a bit of that. On the civilian world the last 10 years it seems they fire bosses to much. To the point that it is not professional. Your lucky to have the same people around you after 5 years.


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Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:35 AM

OONJERAH



Thanks, CP. Makes a clearer picture for us homebodies.
Money, danger, and a sort of chaos.



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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