EGGS! by SignyM

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EGGS!

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:18
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

In the national hysteria against eggs and red meat which has been going on for decades by now, our vaunted nutritionists have excluded one critical nutrient: choline.

A nutritionist recently looked at our latest food guidance -half your plate with fruits and veggies, a quarter plate of lean protein preferably poultry, a quarter of whole grains with a glass of milk on the side- and asked "Where's the choline"?

OOPS!

Choline is an important nutrient for neurotransmitter synthesis, and like fish oil (omega-3s) is important for brain development. It is well-known that women who have more choline in their diets have smarter babies. This could be one reason for the development of autism. (Other modern-life possibilities include in utero chemical exposure, lack of sunshine, lack of zinc and lack of fish oil).

Good sources of choline:

The two best sources of choline are liver and eggs, followed more distantly by beef and cauliflower (hmmm... I LIKE eggs and cauliflower! I can see them together, curried. Yum!)

So much for the national experiment on nutrition. Cause when they fuck up, they fuck up a lot of people.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

One minute eggs are the devil incarnate, the next they're absolutely vital to your health...

I don't completely rule out any food, I just try to eat the foods I like in moderation. I'll have an egg now and again, as well as bacon or red meat. I just don't make a 16oz. T-bone topped with three eggs over easy a part of my regular diet. :)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:15 AM

BYTEMITE

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I don't pay attention to nutritionists because I figure they'll change their minds in a few years.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think it goes back to the idea of whole foods in moderation, along with exercise and plenty of sleep.

The one modern combination which is entirely unnatural and prolly really IS the devil incarnate is the combination of carbohydrates and fat. In our evolutionary past, carbohydrates were hard to come by... we were not roaming the seashore OR the savannah grabbing handfuls of grain. When we ate carbs, it was in the form of roots, shoots and the occasional fruit. None of which came with fat. When we ate fat, it was eggs, fish, shellfish, brains; livers, eyes, bugs and bone marrow- not at all combined with carbs. And we hardly ever sat down to a "balanced meal"

But now that corn, wheat and palm oil or palm-kernel oil are commodity foods, people the world over are getting obese while still being malnourished.

Unfortunately, the combination of carbs and fat (potato chips, whipped cream etc) are like opium to the brain. Gosh, if I could just stay away from potato chips and corn chips I'd be a whole lot healthier!

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:31 AM

PENGUIN

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Those eggs, they are calling to us! I can see it! They're saying "Me! Me! Me!"

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"a 16oz. T-bone topped with three eggs over easy"

Where's the bacon and potatoes?

Salt, grease, carbs ... mmmmmmm ... my dopamine, serotonin and opioid receptors are making my brain crazy in anticipation.

There is an interesting theory that an animal that needs a nutrient which is rare in the environment develops a high appetite for it with no appetite shut-off switch, which explains the carb and fat appetites. I think having evolved in an environment where most foods automatically came with sea salt, if we ever had a shut-off switch it got broken. It doesn't do a starving hominid any good to look at the raw mussels and think - if I eat one more bit of salt I'll puke.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I think it goes back to the idea of whole foods in moderation, along with exercise and plenty of sleep.

The one modern combination which is entirely unnatural and prolly really IS the devil incarnate is the combination of carbohydrates and fat. In our evolutionary past, carbohydrates were hard to come by... we were not roaming the seashore OR the savannah grabbing handfuls of grain. When we ate carbs, it was in the form of roots, shoots and the occasional fruit. None of which came with fat. When we ate fat, it was eggs, fish, shellfish, brains; livers, eyes, bugs and bone marrow- not at all combined with carbs. And we hardly ever sat down to a "balanced meal"

But now that corn, wheat and palm oil or palm-kernel oil are commodity foods, people the world over are getting obese while still being malnourished.

Unfortunately, the combination of carbs and fat (potato chips, whipped cream etc) are like opium to the brain. Gosh, if I could just stay away from potato chips and corn chips I'd be a whole lot healthier!

Potato chips are the food of satan. Very alluring, but totally evil.

I agree with your post. I think that we've also evolved to live fairly close to starvation, and so to crave fats and high calorie foods which ensured our survival. Problem is, we still have those cravings without the near starvation - in first world countries at least.

Carbs were a way of bulking out our diets and making us feel full when there was a scarcity of protein. Obtaining protein would have used up a hell of a lot of energy as well. It would have been a constant battle to get enough to feed ourselves to have the energy to continue to look for food. And I guess that is how the transition to agriculture was made, the move from being nomadic, to having seasonal homes, to changing the landscape to ensure a regular crops, animals, water supply, to being parked somewhere permanently to look after it all.

I love eggs. I eat them all the time, so this is good news for me. I have really only one rule when it comes to food. How many people have touched it, added to it, packaged it, transported it, etc. I try to limit foods where there has been too much processing. And i watch my carb intake, especially for processed carbs, as I am trying to lose weight.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:45 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Eggs are a great way to use left-over fries from 5 Guys.

Saute a little onion, green pepper, or whatever veggies you got in butter, add the fries, and pour in four or five eggs well beaten with salt an pepper. Stick it in a 400 degree oven for around 10-15 minutes until the eggs set. Yum.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 2:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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I don't pay attention to nutritionists because I figure they'll change their minds in a few years.

Yep - the so-called experts told us transfats were healther than butter, aspartame was safer than sugar, and a whole host of other crap, so we should believe em why ?

A person in tune with their own biosystems is gonna know what they need - the body has ways of tellin ya, if you only learn to listen.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:38 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
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I don't pay attention to nutritionists because I figure they'll change their minds in a few years.

Yep - the so-called experts told us transfats were healther than butter, aspartame was safer than sugar, and a whole host of other crap, so we should believe em why ?

A person in tune with their own biosystems is gonna know what they need - the body has ways of tellin ya, if you only learn to listen.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

Your body needs training, though. For people who have been brought up on a diet of highly processed junk food, introducing fresh is a shock that not all of them can manage. A shock to their systems as well as taste buds. So it takes a bit of pushing through, pardon my terrible pun, and perserverence before grapes and carrots will taste better than burgers and fries. Or KFC *shudder*

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:23 PM

OONJERAH

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Yep - the so-called experts told us transfats were healther than butter, aspartame was safer than sugar, and a whole host of other crap, so we should believe em why ?

A person in tune with their own biosystems is gonna know what they need - the body has ways of tellin ya, if you only learn to listen.

-Frem

I completely agree with Frem. Learn to listen; become quiet enough to listen.

Quote MAGONSDAUGHTER: "For people who have been brought up on a diet of highly processed junk food, introducing fresh is a shock that not all of them can manage."

I think most people do Not want to change the foods they have always eaten and still prefer. I believe this malnutrition is the primary cause of obesity. People who live on processed foods, denatured & slightly poisoned, will get sick while fairly young. Even then, only about 20% of the deathly ill will be open to a change in diet.

"We are stupid and we will die!"

I will calmly refrain from mentioning what the Medical Industry has to do with any of this.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Addendum: There's also, yanno, the money.
If the processed crap is cheaper, and you are dirt freakin poor and do NOT like within spitting range of a buncha farmers, well then that's what it's gonna be...

That said, I consider Momofuku Ando part of the pantheon now, right up there with any other diety of the harvest - man earned it, you ask me.

-Frem

Quote:
"Peace will come to the world when the people have enough to eat."
-Ando

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Eggs are yummy. I love love love love eating and eat basically whatever I want. It may not be good, but eating is something I really enjoy and it always makes me feel better to eat something I like. I don't really care what people think of that.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:06 AM

CAVETROLL

Red meat is expensive to produce. Not as expensive to slaughter and transport, plus throw in a few percentage points to supply executives with a minimum subsistence level of perks. I like to buy my red meat direct from a beef farm. I buy a side at a time, and it lasts me most of a year.

Eat what you want, when you want, and to heck with the nutritionists. Remember the USDA food pyramid? And when they discovered that USDA execs were getting kickbacks from the dairy industry?

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:18 AM

BYTEMITE

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So it takes a bit of pushing through, pardon my terrible pun, and perserverence before grapes and carrots will taste better than burgers and fries. Or KFC *shudder*

Depends on the person. I'm a carb addict, but I never had much taste for fats or salts.

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