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Santorum feeds more red meat insanity
Monday, February 20, 2012 8:15 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The government shouldn't make health care providers fully cover prenatal tests like amniocentesis, which can determine the possibility of Down syndrome or other fetal problems, Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday. Santorum, an outspoken opponent of abortion rights, told the CBS News program "Face the Nation" on Sunday that amniocentesis "more often than not" results in abortion. "People have the right to do it, but to have the government force people to provide it free, to me, is a bit loaded," he said. He said Saturday at an appearance in Ohio that the law was intended to increase abortions and reduce overall health care costs. "One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum, a conservative Roman Catholic, told a Christian Alliance luncheon in Columbus. "Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society." He added that the requirement was "another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able." (what an INCREDIBLE reach!) The White House referred CNN to Obama's re-election campaign for comment, and campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith called Santorum's remarks "the latest in a long string of unfortunate comments in the race to the bottom that the Republican presidential primary has become." "Prenatal screenings are essential to promote the health of both the mother and baby and to ensure safe deliveries," Smith said. "These misinformed and dangerous comments reinforce why women cannot trust any of the Republican candidates for president." On Sunday, Santorum mentioned his own experience with this 3-year-old daughter Isabella, who has Trisomy 18, a chromosome disorder that often results in stillbirths or early childhood death. He said prenatal testing showed the problem, and doctors recommend abortion in virtually all cases. Such a recommendation is common when any problem is detected through amniocentesis, said Santorum, who added that in such cases "we know that 90% of Down syndrome children are aborted." Some studies since the late 1990s do suggest a high percentage of women terminate their pregnancies after receiving a Down syndrome diagnosis, with one British study putting the figure as high as 92 percent. A 2005 study of nearly 1,100 pregnant women found 76% would consider an abortion if tests indicated their child would be born with Down syndrome. Now considered the main conservative challenger to the more moderate Mitt Romney, Santorum has shed a more understated demeanor to challenge both Romney and Obama as the Republican campaign heads toward a series of key primaries in coming weeks, including Super Tuesday on March 6. He continued throwing out the cultural red meat for primary voters Sunday night, telling a rally at a Georgia church that Obama was intent on starting a cultural war. As the audience roared with applause, he called on the country to build a foundation that will "defend the church, defend the family, defend the nonprofit community, defend them from a government that wants to weaken them." His attack on insurance coverage for prenatal testing was the latest in a series of controversial comments he has made since surging to the top tier of polls in the Republican presidential race. He also found himself defending other Saturday comments regarding Obama's religion, appearing to question the president's adherence to Bible-based Christian theology. Santorum said Saturday the president was not motivated by concerns for ordinary Americans but by "some phony ideal, some phony theology. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology," he said. Asked about those remarks on CBS, Santorum said he was referring to Obama's energy policies, which he said favored what he called radical environmentalism. Asked specifically if he was questioning Obama's Christian beliefs, Santorum said: "I wasn't suggesting the president is not a Christian. I accept the fact the president is a Christian." Santorum's comments may appeal to some Republican voters who have questioned Obama's faith before, or others who saw the administration's recent contraception mandate as an overreach. Last month, Santorum was criticized by some for not correcting a voter who called the president a Muslim when she stood up to ask a question at one of his campaign town halls. "These are the questions that I think Republicans can unite on," (Republican Gov. Mitch)Daniels said. "They do have to be framed, as they really are, as the defense of individual freedom against the right now limitless power of the state." http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/19/politics/santorum-prenatal-testing/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3
Quote:"It doesn't fit his pattern of trying to drive down consumption, trying to drive up your cost of transportation to accomplish his political science goal of reducing carbon dioxide," he said. .... Santorum told reporters that the message he was trying to convey was that the president merely holds “different moral values.” “You may want to call it a theology, you may want to call it secular values,” he said. “Whatever you want to call it. . . it is a different set of moral values that they are imposing on people who have a constitutional right to have their own values within the church.” He said Obama has reached a “low in this country’s history of oppressing religious freedom that we have never seen before.” (which is absolutely astonishing "red-meat" language!) ..... “You can call it a theology, you can call it a moral code, you can call it a world view,” he said. “They want to impose [that] on everybody else while they insist and complain that somehow or another people of Judeo Christian faith are intolerant of their new moral code.”
Quote:Santorum's comments may strike certain chords with some Republican voters who have questioned Obama's faith before
Monday, February 20, 2012 12:20 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, February 20, 2012 12:37 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, February 20, 2012 12:48 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Nothing except personal snark to contribute? As usual.
Monday, February 20, 2012 12:52 PM
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:29 AM
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:45 AM
BLUEHANDEDMENACE
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: what he's saying is a flat-out lie
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:08 AM
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:10 AM
STORYMARK
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace: Now really, what are the odds that Niki will STFU?? And why should she? She has every right to call Bullshit on your false equivalancies. I mean, she hardly needs to, they are obvious to anyone who pays attention over time, but especially when u bleat your nonsense in response to her posts, you have to expect a response, if we are living in the real world here (which with you certainly is debatable)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: what he's saying is a flat-out lie
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: She has the option of proving me a liar,
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: The RapTard is obviously showing us the civility he constantly whines about not recieving. He's clearly sympathetic to the group who booed the Golden Rule. "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:27 AM
Quote: The rich should pay more not only because “I actually think that is going to make economic sense, but for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’s teaching that ‘for unto whom much is given, much shall be required,’” Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72363.html#ixzz1n2uZJtW0
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:49 AM
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Pretty sure you've eliminated yourself from ANY civil discussion, ever.
Quote:And as for Niki, I don't know what burr has lodged itself under her saddle, but she's been increasingly irrational and fussy as of late.( More so than usual) Up until now, I've let most of her spewing of venom slide, but even I have limits. She's made bizarre claims and baseless accusations, and not once been honest enough to put up or shut up. I'm calling her out on it, is all.
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Its funny, watching Rappy try try try to falsly paint the left as those with religious feelings towards the Prez...
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:09 AM
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Right. One person. And you act like that is the entire left.
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:15 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace: Santorum was without a doubt speaking in code for his zealots/base. That much is clear as day.
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:06 PM
CAVETROLL
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:12 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: One can be wrong and not be a liar. Weird how some on the Left just can't / won't make that distinction.
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:30 PM
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:33 PM
OONJERAH
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: kwickie. I asked YOU the question. Why are you asking it back to me ? Why aren't you answering it ?
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:49 PM
Quote:This from the person who threw a hissy over how the media treated her messiah, just a couple of days ago ?
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:56 PM
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:34 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:30 AM
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Story, doll...Alt.Univ. has a leeeetle drawer, you see. In that drawer are all the juicy (he thinks) tidbits he's picked up from FauxNews along the line. When he has nothing to say, he rustles around in that little drawer, and his fat, grubby fingers always find SOMETHING he can pull out to wave in the air and shout about. The "he's a god" remark was in 2009; he's pulled it out so many times it must be downright ragged, but he'll keep pulling it out until it disintegrates. Next up: Reverend Wright! (Hey, the Repub. candidates must have their own little drawer, they're pulling it out too!) p.s. Know why Rap thinks I've been getting fussy (or whatever) lately? 'Cuz I've been making the mistake of RESPONDING to him some. Like I said, I gotta look to that...mockable, he is eminently, but to attempt actual communication...gawd, what was I thinking?
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:17 AM
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:44 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:She has the option of proving me a liar, which we all know she won't do either.
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:07 AM
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Santorum and the rest are taking politically suicidal positions on a number of issues. Being a Conservative doesn't mean one supports any of these trogladytic evangelical stances against women's freedom that are being tossed around lately. Obama must be laughing his ass off.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:51 AM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:49 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The stands they're taking on social issues seem a surefire way to turn solid control of both houses back to the Dems, without any clear mandate given them other than "DON'T BE LIKE THESE ASSHOLES!"
Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:42 AM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Sonogram bills are nothing more than "rape panels", intended to shame women, use coerced "consent" to perform (and charge them for) medically needless procedures by state mandate. I'm curious - if the church can refuse to offer contraception citing "moral grounds", can a doctor refuse to read the state-written script and perform the state-mandated rape based on those same moral convictions?
Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Sonogram bills are nothing more than "rape panels", intended to shame women, use coerced "consent" to perform (and charge them for) medically needless procedures by state mandate. I'm curious - if the church can refuse to offer contraception citing "moral grounds", can a doctor refuse to read the state-written script and perform the state-mandated rape based on those same moral convictions? The governor here in Virginia has asked that the sonogram bill be amended to remove the 'transvaginal' mandate and require only external sonograms, apparently in response to the national ridicule of the original bill. Looking at the original legislation, it looked pretty much like the description of the "penetration with an object" statute in Va's criminal code. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:15 AM
Quote:He says he's against government mandates forcing healthcare on our citizens, but oddly he's shown himself to be quite in favor of those same mandates when it comes to children and women.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:17 AM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:55 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:19 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:10 PM
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