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Leadership Battle Erupts at Bottom of World

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Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:34 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


yep, I'm talking my home turf here. Thought some of you might like reassuring that politics is toxic and compromised in other places of the world as well.

Monday is the ballot - not for the electorate, mind you, but the Labor Party caucus who gets to determine who will be Prime Minister. Strange days.


Labor pains: Australia looks on aghast as vicious leadership struggle erupts

Party rivals Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd plot, sulk and tear each other apart in public as they fight in secret ballot to become PM


It is one of the most vicious battles in world politics. In one corner stands a woman prime minister, well liked by her colleagues but unpopular with the public at large. Squaring up to her from across the ring is her predecessor, a man popular with voters but loathed by the majority of his fellow MPs.

On Monday, we will see who comes out on top when Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd take part in a ballot for the leadership of the Labor party, and thereby of Australia.

Gillard, the country's first woman prime minister, Welsh-born but more Aussie than her Mandarin-speaking arch-rival, ought to be coasting comfortably to win a second term in government.

Instead, the Australian electorate is watching aghast as Labor's two major political stars plot and sulk and tear each other apart in public – and fight to the death in a secret party ballot.

"Rightly or wrongly Julia has lost the trust of the Australian people," Rudd said on Friday. "On Monday I want to start restoring that trust and that's why I have decided to contest the leadership of the Australian Labor party."

"This is not an episode of Celebrity Big Brother," retorted Gillard. "This is about who can lead the nation, who can get things done."

Tony Wright, the national affairs editor of the Age newspaper in Melbourne, said: "If you'd hauled a semi-trailer load of fighting rum, a caravan of harlots and a boxing tent into a mining camp on payday, you'd hardly predict the level of crazed viciousness that has busted out in what's left of the heart of the Labor party."

Rudd was the first Labor leader to be popularly elected to office since Paul Keating – himself the architect of a brutal leadership coup – won a surprise second term 17 years ago, in March 1993.

Rudd launched his prime ministership in 2007 in a climate of political euphoria: his first act, a moving public apology on behalf of the nation to its indigenous peoples, seemed to herald a new era of social reform and environmental action after close to 12 years of conservative rule.

But the momentum did not last. His abrasive and apparently autocratic leadership style sparked a campaign of whispers describing foul temper tantrums, incivility to staff and intemperate demands.

When Gillard, then deputy prime minister, moved against him in 2010, she did so against a backdrop of internal disquiet and profound electoral disappointment.

Rudd had back-flipped spectacularly on an important pre-election pledge to introduce a carbon tax and his sky-high popularity with voters had slumped. (One of the major figures who urged him to listen to the mining and business lobby and jettison that promise was the deputy who would later depose him.)

Australia's three-year electoral term meant Gillard was forced to take Labor to the polls just two months later. She failed to win an outright majority and has since governed with a hung parliament and the support of a motley crew of independents and greens.

Rudd's replacement, according to the veteran Labor campaign strategist Bruce Hawker, saw Labor's vote collapse: "Now, if an election was held tomorrow, Labor would lose 30 seats," he said.

According to David Marr, author of Power Trip: the Political Journey of Kevin Rudd – a devastating critique of Rudd's character and leadership style – Monday's leadership battle is best described as a contest between a man who was unsuccessful as a prime minister and a woman who has been effective as a politician, but is unpopular as a prime minister.

"The carnage for Labor is unbelievable. And Rudd's personal ambition is driving it all."

For Gillard, questions of authority and legitimacy – historically the achilles heel of many women in politics – have been at the heart of her political difficulty. As deputy prime minister, she was engaged with voters, plain-speaking and yet passionate about policy minutiae; she was seen as a powerful and honest advocate of social reform.

Then, Labor seemed to have it all: it was widely assumed Rudd would win at least two terms and his deputy would naturally step into Australia's top job, in time and in an orderly way.

But once in power, everything changed.

Julia Baird, author of Media Tarts: How the Australian Press Frames Female Politicians, said Gillard had been plagued by the question that has haunted women leaders throughout modern times: "Are they interlopers in a man's world?"

"Her errors have been perceived as more grave, her missteps as potentially fatal, struggles sometimes as catastrophic crises.

"Her takeover was not perceived as a sign of strength, or even brutishness, but as being the puppet of 'faceless men' behind her," she said.

Whoever the winner is in this acrimonious brawl for the Australian leadership, a more serious – potentially disastrous – disconnect between Labor and its electorate seems hard to imagine.
War of words

Kevin Rudd

"It's always tough when you're up against the combined factional forces of all the factions. But that's never stood in my way before." (24 February 2012)

"The simple truth is that I cannot continue to serve as foreign minister if I do not have prime minister Gillard's support. I therefore believe the only honourable thing and the only honourable course of action is for me to resign." (23 February 2012 )

"Now, those thugs are wrecking a great party, and they're putting the knife into me again. Australia must be governed by the people, not the factions … We all know what happened then was wrong and it must never happen again." (23 February 2012)

"I'm a very happy little Vegemite being prime minister … being foreign minister of Australia." (27 September 2011, attributed to jet lag)

"I'm fully engaged with being foreign minister and there are many things on the agenda at present. We have a prime minister, I support the prime minister and I intend to remain as foreign minister." (21 February 2012)

Julia Gillard

"Kevin Rudd spoke about trust today but did not deny when challenged he has spent time whilst I have been prime minister and he has been foreign minister behind closed doors, in secret conversations with people, undermining this government … There's questions of trust there." (24 February 2012 )

"This isn't Celebrity Big Brother … It is about who can lead the nation … who as prime minister has the personal attributes and the personal strength to get things done." (24 February 2012)

"I worked damn hard as Kevin Rudd's deputy. I worked very, very hard, in days of chaos and paralysis to keep his government running. That's the truth, that's the history." (23 February 2012)

"I've got it done, didn't talk about it, got it done. Kevin Rudd, when the going got tough, he couldn't get carbon pricing done." (23 February)

"Government requires consistency, purpose, method, discipline, inclusion, consultation; it requires you to lead a big team and to lead it well. Kevin Rudd, as prime minister, struggled to do that and by the days of 2010, that struggle had resulted in paralysis in the government." (23 February)


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/24/labor-australia-leadership
-julia-gillard-kevin-rudd


Women in this country get handed poison chalices in our political system, that is all I can say.


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Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Magons, I've been following this; haven't posted it because I don't completely understand it and--not knowing your politics--wasn't sure I could impart it properly. Each subsequent article only served to confuse me further, so I left it alone. I'm sorry your country is going through this, I always think of Australia as somewhat more sensible than us. It's Tuesday here, can't remember if that makes it Monday or Wednesday there (!), so let us know how it turns out/turned out, please?

On the other hand, love, nothing you put up comes even CLOSE to the kind of ugliness happening here. That kind of stuff we're used to, but what we hear NOW is astonishing. Your guys don't hold a CANDLE to ours:
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"> Rick Perry about Fed Chairman Bernanke: "If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I don't know what y'all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas. Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treasonous in my opinion."
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"The question is, and this is what Barack Obama didn't want to answer—is that human life a person under the Constitution and Barack Obama says no," Santorum said on a conservative talk show. "Well if that human life is not a person then I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say 'now we are going to decide who are people and who are not people.'"
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Santorum cited the Bible as evidence that "the science-accepting crowd has it all wrong," according to Talking Points Memo.

“We were put on this Earth as creatures of God to have dominion over the Earth, to use it wisely and steward it wisely, but for our benefit not for the Earth’s benefit,” Santorum told a Colorado crowd.

He went on to call climate change “an absolute travesty of scientific research that was motivated by those who, in my opinion, saw this as an opportunity to create a panic and a crisis for government to be able to step in and even more greatly control your life.”

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“I think the Democrats are actually worried he [Obama] may go to Indonesia and bow to more Muslims.”
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The president was ready to jump in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya and Egypt .... And of course during the elections in 2009 when the green revolution was sparked in Iran, he sided with Ahmadinejad of the Mullahs.

Again, if you are an enemy of the United States, you probably -- you are going to get very nice treatment from Obama. But if you are a friend you will get thrown under the bus.

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What’s left are no unalienable rights, what’s left is a government that will tell you who you are, what you’ll do and when you’ll do it. What’s left in France became the guillotine. Ladies and gentlemen, we’re a long way from that, but if we do follow the path of President Obama and his overt hostility to faith in America, then we are headed down that road.”
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The president has reached a new low in this country’s history of oppressing religious freedom that we have never seen before.
Mitt Romney:
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“You expect the president of the United States to be sensitive to that freedom and protect it and, unfortunately, perhaps because of the people the president hangs around with, and their agenda, their secular agenda, they have fought against religion,” Romney said, responding to a question about religious freedoms.
Gingrich:
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“What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich asks. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”
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“Obama has been the most effective food stamp president in American history.”
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"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide," Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
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"The President would like to force all of us into small vehicles," Gingrich alleged. "The President would like to force all of to do what he wants. He's president of the wrong country. ... He needs to move to Europe."
Yes, religiosity in the extreme is an American obsession, but these guys have taken it to new heights. And I didn't spend very long looking for quotes; I've heard wore in just the seconds it takes me to change channels past any one of the GOP debates. They are saying things about Obama that are so far out it's incredible.

So you're not quite there...yet! Let's hope it doesn't get that bad. Your guys are talking about the handling of government, about things politicians always talk about. Our guys are into personal attacks of the most egregious kind, out-and-out lies and fabrications with regard to our sitting President, and religiosity that goes far, far beyond sanity!



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Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:23 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yes, your right wingers are uber right as far as I am concerned.

I'm pleased you have been trying to follow what is going on. Most of the Australia electorate are pretty confused themselves.

In a Westminster system of government, you do not elect a leader, since officially good Queen Bess is the head of state.

In general elections, you usually vote for your candidate(s) of choice who, if elected will make up the lower and upper houses of Parliament (the House of Representatives and the Senate). Each candidate will have a political alignment (Labor, Liberal, National, Green, Raving Looney party) or declare themselves independant. Government is won by the party that gains the most seats in the lower house, usually either Labor or the Coalition (Libs and National party). The Leader of the Party is Prime Minister. The Party chooses the PM, not the electorate, although the expectation is there that the Party leader at the time of the election will be PM for the term of government. The electorate often mistakenly believe they have voted for a PM, when really they have just voted for their local candidate.

When Labor formed government in 2007, Kevin Rudd was the leader. Towards the end of his term, with opinion polls looking dire and his Cabinet (the MP's and Senators who hold portfolios) apparently despised his leadership style. There was a leadership spill and Julia Gillard became PM. She then called a general election - we have a little more leeway here than you guys to do this. The election produced a hung parliament, both major parties had the same number of seats, but eventually Gillard formed a government with some deal making with a couple of Independants, and the Greens.

kevin Rudd remained a Cabinet Minister, holding the portfolio of Foreign Affairs, but it seems to have become clear that he has continued to undermine the Gillard government - his own government by leaking (allegedly) cabinet documents to the press and some other stuff.

Gillard is extremely unpopular with the electorate, for a variety of reasons - the way she came to power, she's a woman, and despite being a minority government, she has managed to introduce a number of seeminly controversial reforms including the carbon emissions scheme and the super mining tax. She's born the brunt of a lot of aggressive, right winged, franky quite sexist vitriol.

Aftr increasing speculation about another leadership spill, she has forced the issue by calling a leadership vote. Which will be today. Kevin is contesting. Doesn't look like he has the numbers.

All of this is hammering more nails ion the coffin of the Labor Government, and an election in the next 12 months would see the party annihalated and Tony Abbot and the Coalition take government. The Coalition are to the right, and Tony is a social conservative holding strong catholic views on matter such as abortion etc

Hope this helps. I'll keep you posted.

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Still pretty confusing, but I think I understand most of it. Where do YOU stand?

I could only WISH ours was a civilized as yours...or at least that they'd stick to arguing about things of actual significance. This religion thing is so insane it makes me want to scream, especially when I hear some of the shit coming out of their mouths... I haven't yet hurled anything at the TV, but have kept myself to merely changing channels (QUICKLY!), but it gets harder and harder to listen to the news and be able to grab the remote FAST enough not to have smoke coming out my ears! Thank gawd for SciFi channel and NatGeoWild, where I spend the vast majority of my time. Watching a lion take down a zebra is downright calming in comparison (tho', yeah, okay, so I look away at the specific moment!).

I think it would be neat if we could have a discussion of the various pros and cons of your and England's form of government compared to ours--just in specific areas, like the idea of putting a government together out of several coalitions, and the no-confidence vote. I don't think I know enough about yours to compare the two, and I'm kinda guessing there are pros and cons to both. Given we have (had?) at least one Brit here and we have you, I think it would be an interesting discussion.



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Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:27 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm pretty fed up with what is happening within the Labor Party. It's a nasty, backstabbing mess. But I think the government under both Rudd and Gillard has performed pretty well. I think Gillard has had a terrible time, but she's managed to at least do a few good things, given that she is leading a minority government and is dependant on some pretty whacky independants to vote her legislation in.

Governments are just not capable of being all things to all people. There is a lot of stuff I would like changed, but it will be difficult because it means pissing off wealthy, powerful people.

Some of the things - more humanitarian behaviour towards asylum seekers who arrive by boat. Process them here, let them stay until it is determined whether they fit the criteria or not. If people worry about the cost involved, offer them guest labour work in the mining areas. They are talking about importing guest workers from the pacific islands to work there, why not offer it to boat people who arrive here.

Get rid of middle class welfare. Boy do the well off do well out of the government here, and with their overdeveloped sense of entitlement, they cry hot crocodile tears at the first sign of it being pulled. Funding for private schools should be pulled, family tax benefits, child care rebates, baby bonuses should ALL be means tested. Actually, reduce the baby bonus, its far too large. (Was an incentive to breed - despite what DT claims, we are trying to grow our population)

Prioritise money into a good public school system and health system and care of the elderly. There is heaps of fat that can be trimmed elsewhere.

I could go on an on, about limiting foreign investment in the ownership of land, water and mineral wealth. But that gives you an idea.

Obviously, in terms of change, I'd like to say bye bye to the monarchy, as would most Australians, but the issue is, what sort of head of state do we want. I think the American system, or fear of something similar has kept us where we are. Not broke, don't fix.

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:28 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
"This isn't Celebrity Big Brother … It is about who can lead the nation … who as prime minister has the personal attributes and the personal strength to get things done." (24 February 2012)



Wrong.

That's all politics is anymore, a popularity contest based on sound-bites and gotchas. Everyone's too busy with "important" stuff to study platforms or voting records.

If the electorate doesn't perform due diligence, you get the winner of the reality show.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:57 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Well I believe she meant that it should not be like that. It was in response to Rudd saying that he was the more popular with the electorate.

In any event, he lost the caucus vote, 71 to 31. Gillard still leads the nation.

http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/rudd-vanquished-now-t
he-hard-work-starts-20120227-1txy8.html


It's not easy being a female politican in Australia

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ARE women leaders treated differently from men? And are such differences a disadvantage or, worse, outright discrimination? And how do women themselves feel about the ongoing vilification of the Prime Minister? These are very hot questions at present, especially after the near hysterical reaction from politicians and much of the media to Senator Bob Brown's recent comment that ''quite a bit of the criticism [of Gillard] is sexist and unfair and unrelenting''.

To explore this, I speak to a number of past and present women political leaders, seeking to draw on their experiences as well as their opinions. The Prime Minister declines to be interviewed and others prefer not to go on the record; some are happy to go public with their thoughts.

The conversations are a somewhat sobering reminder that, despite the quite respectable number of women political leaders Australia has now produced, our comfort level has not undergone a commensurate improvement. There is disagreement about the basic proposition: ''I achieved the confidence of my electorate, the leadership of my party and the premiership of my state,'' says former New South Wales premier Kristina Keneally. ''I can't ever consider that I experienced some kind of disadvantage because I am a woman. I won't lend support to such a thesis.''

Most of the others have stories to tell of differences and disadvantages.

Gillard has been criticised for not having children (''deliberately barren'', in the infamous phrase of Senator Bill Heffernan) but so has Julie Bishop: ''Sometimes it's used as a slur,'' she says. ''As public figures we are subject to very harsh judgments by people.''

For the increasing number of women politicians who do want to combine their career with having children, there are issues men never have to deal with. ''It might mean you have to travel with the Esky and the breast pump and the baby if you want to make it work,'' says Sophie Mirabella, shadow minister for industry, whose second baby was born in June 2010, a few weeks before the federal election was called.

Nicola Roxon, the Attorney-General, gets irritated that ''the media is more interested in me as someone with a young child than anything to do with policy. My male colleagues who have young children don't get asked these questions.''

''You literally cannot win,'' says a cabinet minister. ''You are criticised if you dedicate yourself to your career and don't have children. Or if you do have them, you're told you are neglecting your family. Or, when you spend time with them, that you are not doing your job properly.''

Often women politicians overcompensate, feeling they need to prove they are totally up to the job. ''The successful women I see are tremendously good at their jobs, and are phenomenally well prepared, '' says a Labor frontbencher. ''They turn up at local events with a written speech, while the men just turn up.''

Clare Martin, who was chief minister of the Northern Territory for 6½ years until 2007, agrees that women often overachieve in the diligence stakes. ''I can see with Julia, she's like me. I read all my briefs, I knew what I was doing when I went to a meeting.'' Martin now says, in retrospect: ''I worked too hard. I got very tired. You are not flexible enough when you are tired.''

Yet these issues pale before the avalanche of hatred that has at times almost crushed Gillard. At an anti-carbon tax rally in Canberra in March last year, angry protesters held up signs that said ''JuLIAR'' and ''Bob Brown's Bitch'' and ''Ditch the Witch''. It was a long way from the mockery that Australia's first two women premiers, Carmen Lawrence and Joan Kirner, had to put up with. ''Lawrence of Suburbia'' and ''Spot on Joan'' (a reference to her clothes) seem pretty tame by comparison.

It was nasty and it was personal but it was also sexist for using that word. A ''bitch'' is ''a malicious or disagreeable woman'', says Macquarie Dictionary. It is one of Kevin Rudd's preferred descriptions of the Prime Minister, according to Andrew Probyn, federal political editor of the West Australian newspaper.

''Women are expected to be tougher than tough, but there is a fine line between that and being a bitch,'' says Chikarovski, acknowledging the negative power of the 'b' word.

And although Liberal women recall that John Howard was mocked for his eyebrows, his glasses, his voice and his tracksuits, no one can point to an example of a gender-specific term being used to attack Howard, or any male politician for that matter. ''Is there a comparable male term to 'bitch'?'' asks Judi Moylan, the Liberal member for Pearce and a former minister for women. She could not think of one.

On July 6 last year, Sydney broadcaster Alan Jones said on air, referring to Gillard: ''The woman is off her tree and quite frankly they should shove her and Bob Brown in a chaff bag and take them as far out to sea as they can and tell them to swim home.'' The comments caused outrage. Tony Abbott joined in the denunciation and Jones later said he regretted the remarks but by then they had become part of the firepower that was being aimed at Australia's first female prime minister.

These inflammatory (and verging on violent) sentiments have now become commonplace in Parliament. During the last sitting, Christopher Pyne compared Gillard's leadership to ''a person with a gangrenous wound [and] the body is now seeking to excise the sick limb''. Nicola Roxon considers the Abbott/Gillard contest to have gone ''beyond the normal push and shove of Parliament''. She says the level of personal abuse and vitriol in the current parliamentary debates are of a substantially different nature from anything we have seen in the past.

SO IN Parliament and in the community, it is now apparently deemed OK to subject the Prime Minister to cruel, violent and often gender-specific commentary and insults. And many in the media join in. The Herald Sun described her as ''coquettish'' and ''giggling'' with President Obama. Andrew Bolt described her as ''weak, even girlish'' with the US President.

But it is on talkback radio where the hatred really gets out of hand. She has been labelled, by hosts Alan Jones or Ray Hadley or by callers to these programs: ''a menopausal monster'', ''a lying cow'', ''a lying bitch'', a ''vitriolic, bitter, lying, condescending facade of a prime minister'', ''a horrible mouth on legs'' and ''brain dead''. One of Alan Jones' listeners even said: ''Does she go down to the chemist to buy her tampons or does the taxpayer pay for them as well?'' (These were included in a compilation on The Hampster Wheel by The Chaser on ABC TV last November.)
Some are worried that these attacks on Gillard will jeopardise future opportunities for women in politics.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-gender-agenda-gill
ard-and-the-politics-of-sexism-20120225-1tv7n.html#ixzz1nYvxPguX





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Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:



That about sums it up for me!

When folks compare politics to a circus they're more correct than they realize...

All else being equal I've found that female politicians do a better job overall with the noteable exception of conservative wackjobs like Thatcher or Palin, though.

-F

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Monday, February 27, 2012 9:59 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I guess wherever you go politics is a whacky ride. Thanks Magon's for posting about what's going on in Australia, I like learning about what's happening in other places, the American media is notoriously bad at reporting such things and I go to the BBC when I want to know what's going on in the rest of the world. I need to go to them more often.

I find it really bizarre that people are criticizing your PM for not having children, that is so totally her business, not theirs, why do they care?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:20 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Thanks rione.

I guess the issue is - a woman in politics is criticised either way - for neglecting their children if they have them, or for being 'barren' and incomplete if they do not.

Julia has also come under fire because she is in a defacto relationship and with a hairdresser, no less.

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Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx, Magons. Sounds like you're going through a lot of the same problems we are, what with class warfare, etc. and the rich screaming and not willing to give up a penny.

We have some of the same problems as you, and I agree with the things I'D like to see changed, too.

And yes, EVERY administration does some good things, I'd be willing to bet that's true here as well. Anything good Obama does is attacked or ignored, too...partisanship prevents either side from acknowledging the good stuff done by the other side...politics as usual.

Well, I wish you well; sounds like we're equally disgusted with politics the way it is done in our countries...big surprise, eh? I had no idea Australia was going through the same stuff; what a shame.



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