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The War on Women in America
Friday, March 2, 2012 11:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker. 2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims." 3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.) 4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids. 5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life. 6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working. 7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool. 8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens. 9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country. 10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up). http://www.mecklenburgdemocrat.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78:top-10-shocking-attacks-from-the-gops-war-on-women&catid=28:local-news&Itemid=188 is not a war? Then what IS it? The following is a transcript of our own beloved Barbara Boxer on the issue:Quote:the blunt amendment is a radical amendment . it would not only take away the ability of women to get contraception through their insurance, but it would threaten every single essential health care service, every single preventive health care service. if your employer or your insurance company had a moral objection. so let's say you work for someone who believes prayer is the answer to all diseases. you won't have any insurance. it is a radical departure from what we've always done in this country which is to give a conscience claus exemption to religious institutions and religious affiliated institutions. but not allow someone to say, for example, you know i think if somebody is overweight and they get a heart attack , that's their problem and i have a moral objection. therefore, to making sure that they can get health care after a heart attack . this is how radical the blount amendment is. but here's the thing i want america to understand. we are on a highway bill , a transportation bill . a bill that has come out of four committees with strong ? bipartisan support. 2.million jobs are at stake. there are so many construction workers out of work because of the housing downturn. we want to put them back to work. and what's the first amendment that republicans put up? a contraception amendment, which they say is about religious freedom which has nothing to do with it because president obama has taken care of that. in a grand compromise which catholic charities support and the catholic health organizations support and catholics united superior. so that's taken care of. they're just radical and going after women 's health. that's the truth. All you have to do, for example, is look at the republican presidential election . the republicans are caught up in this right wing ideology. and they can't stop themselves. honestly, until women just get their attention as they did in virginia where they backed off of actually mandating an invasive procedure , they finally had to back off of that. some politician there said his wife threatened him she would never talk to him again or something if he did this. the fact of the matter is, these republicans can't help themselves. they've turned into a right wing party. it's fanatical. it's turning on the women of this country. when you have senator snowe saying what she did and she is a moderate republican , the last of the wonderful breed of people that i've worked with for many years on many issues saying that these polarizing issues have no place in these debates, she's absolutely right. by the way, today she came out against the blunt amendment . i'm so happy about that. http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46576924/#46576924Go Babs! They talk about how this contraceptive thing is a "distraction" from the important stuff. Well, if it's a distraction, why the hell put it in a transportation bill?? Why the hell is Congress now working on a bill to repeal Obama's compromise on the contraception issue, immediately, wanting to bring it to a vote tomorrow? We all know why, of course, but next time you hear them decrying how this has "distracted" business, ask 'em that!
Quote:the blunt amendment is a radical amendment . it would not only take away the ability of women to get contraception through their insurance, but it would threaten every single essential health care service, every single preventive health care service. if your employer or your insurance company had a moral objection. so let's say you work for someone who believes prayer is the answer to all diseases. you won't have any insurance. it is a radical departure from what we've always done in this country which is to give a conscience claus exemption to religious institutions and religious affiliated institutions. but not allow someone to say, for example, you know i think if somebody is overweight and they get a heart attack , that's their problem and i have a moral objection. therefore, to making sure that they can get health care after a heart attack . this is how radical the blount amendment is. but here's the thing i want america to understand. we are on a highway bill , a transportation bill . a bill that has come out of four committees with strong ? bipartisan support. 2.million jobs are at stake. there are so many construction workers out of work because of the housing downturn. we want to put them back to work. and what's the first amendment that republicans put up? a contraception amendment, which they say is about religious freedom which has nothing to do with it because president obama has taken care of that. in a grand compromise which catholic charities support and the catholic health organizations support and catholics united superior. so that's taken care of. they're just radical and going after women 's health. that's the truth. All you have to do, for example, is look at the republican presidential election . the republicans are caught up in this right wing ideology. and they can't stop themselves. honestly, until women just get their attention as they did in virginia where they backed off of actually mandating an invasive procedure , they finally had to back off of that. some politician there said his wife threatened him she would never talk to him again or something if he did this. the fact of the matter is, these republicans can't help themselves. they've turned into a right wing party. it's fanatical. it's turning on the women of this country. when you have senator snowe saying what she did and she is a moderate republican , the last of the wonderful breed of people that i've worked with for many years on many issues saying that these polarizing issues have no place in these debates, she's absolutely right. by the way, today she came out against the blunt amendment . i'm so happy about that. http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46576924/#46576924
Friday, March 2, 2012 11:48 AM
Quote:The Blunt Amendment is not gonna pass, and everybody in the Senate knows that. The purpose of it is to give some moderate Democrats a way of appearing to vote against the mandate...
Quote:another:Quote:The other purpose of this is Blunt, who was regarded as one of the more moderate, deal-making Republicans, look more palatably conservative if he decides to run for leadership http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46576924/#46574788 Distraction? What distraction? The truth, as I see it, is that the GOP is anachronistic and wants to take us back to when women had no power; it seems to fit with their mentality but I sure hope we can STOP them!
Quote:The other purpose of this is Blunt, who was regarded as one of the more moderate, deal-making Republicans, look more palatably conservative if he decides to run for leadership
Friday, March 2, 2012 11:51 AM
OONJERAH
Friday, March 2, 2012 11:59 AM
HKCAVALIER
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, March 2, 2012 12:02 PM
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Friday, March 2, 2012 2:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Edit: oopsie. Raptor flew away. AURaptor, Do you have a single female friend? Does she agree with this crap? HKCavalier Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Friday, March 2, 2012 4:04 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Friday, March 2, 2012 4:07 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, March 2, 2012 10:05 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: And so the torch of inequity was somehow passed to a younger generation that should want no part of it. I have no idea how to snuff it out.
Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:44 AM
Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:19 AM
Quote: 8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens. 9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.
Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:19 AM
Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:31 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:47 PM
Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:22 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote: 2) Women of the new generation in particular have not had a whole of experience with sexism and discrimination. In MY day I was TOLD the university I attended did not accept women into medical school. I was TOLD my application for an electrician or pipefitter apprenticeship would not be accepted on account of being a woman. Perhaps this generation needs to have a taste of it to figure out what the problem is.
Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: What's he trying to say about Planned Parenthood, which has been under attack constantly for a long, long time now? Is that remark an effort to say something? Ooops...I'm responding as if communication were possible, apologies to all for that.
Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:18 PM
Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:31 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: One of the perils of trying to read message boards on my phone, while driving, and then replying...
Sunday, March 4, 2012 1:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: One of the perils of trying to read message boards on my phone, while driving, and then replying... Now that's some responsible driving!! "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: About goddamn time they decided to return fire. HERvotes Coalition Press Conference Held Today http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=13496 See, I'm fond of women, not just in the predatory hormonal sense most men are, but as humans, as people, individuals with a wide variety of thoughts and perspectives, as co-workers and allies... Reducing them to chattel, removing their personhood would take this from us, a precious gift whos value most men wouldn't even realize till it was gone. And I will have NONE of it - this attempt to strip them of their personhood, it flies in the face of all that I am, all that have ever wanted or believed, that ALL humans should be treated as human beings, as people. I mean, I've made it clear enough where I stand in regards to treating youth as subhuman, property, objects - is it really any less than obvious trying to strip hard won personhood away from ANYONE would push my berserk buttons ? For me, it ain't about womens rights, it's about HUMAN rights - for all and everyone, and unless a right is universal, unless it's all or none, we're right back to feudalism and a class society, effectively a tyranny any way you slice it. And yeah verily there's a lot of folk with a Y chromosone who are somewhat less than fond of me for "breaking ranks" and standing where I do, but yanno what ? Fuck em, they've no real idea what they're pissing away by not standing up now, and I'll have no sympathy should they come whining to me later about coulda-shoulda-woulda. I know where *I* stand. Human rights for ALL humans, bar none. -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:05 PM
Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: One of the perils of trying to read message boards on my phone, while driving, and then replying... Originally posted by Storymark: Now that's some responsible driving!! Originally posted by AURaptor: Yes. " Danger " is my middle name.
Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:42 PM
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Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:02 PM
Quote:Following the announcement by President Obama that his administration will ensure that women have access to insurance coverage for birth control while accommodating employers who object to providing birth control, Catholic hospitals and other institutions have said that they support the policy. But Fox News refuses to tell its viewers that the policy has widespread support, instead pretending that Catholic hospitals and other employers are being victimized.
Quote:That being said, my GYN put my oldest on BC pills when she was 16 (31 now), because she had some terrible periods, would be out of commission for the first several days, and was becoming anemic.
Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:27 PM
Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:19 PM
Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Just pointing out that 'fair and balanced' Geezer couldn't bring himself to express how he SO disagrees with what his side does, no matter how vile.
Monday, March 5, 2012 10:43 AM
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Monday, March 5, 2012 11:05 AM
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Monday, March 5, 2012 11:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "I don't think condoms are covered under most health insurance, tho' they should be." 'Cause they're OTC. For whatever reason OTC items aren't covered.
Monday, March 5, 2012 11:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "16+ paragraphs of absolute b.s." Yep, that was Rush all right.
Monday, March 5, 2012 11:20 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The Catholic church was up in arms because they didn't want contraception, yet here are all these right-wingers screaming about condoms, thereby proving that they don't really have any problem with contraception - they just have a problem with WOMEN making the decisions about contraception. Condoms let the man control it, which is what it's really all about in the first place. They aren't concerned about contraception; they're worried that women will gain one further measure of control over their lives, and thereby remove that control from the men who run the churches and run the right wing of the political spectrum in this country.
Monday, March 5, 2012 11:29 AM
Monday, March 5, 2012 11:54 AM
Quote:The church is chained to the past just like the rep party... they're afraid if they try and keep pace with contemporary life they'll lose everything - ironical! If they don't change they'll lose everything - wake up! They're both fighting to preserve their BRAND. They're Kodak, trying to sell film in a digital world
Monday, March 5, 2012 12:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "16+ paragraphs of absolute b.s." Yep, that was Rush all right. Well hell, why don't you just post the transcript of his entire 3 hour show ? Or why not do one better, and post the full WEEK'S worth of transcripts ??
Quote: The issue is free birth control not being a 'right'.
Quote: This few comments Rush said ? Being completely blown out of proportion? Nothing but a mass hysteria from the Left ( yeah, I know where hysteria comes from... gonna accuse me of hating women for using THAT word too ? Go right ahead, it fits your M.O. ) to distract everyone from the REAL issues.
Monday, March 5, 2012 12:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for America" -- good gawd, I just noticed that. Did Santorum REALLY say that????
Quote: Kiki, you're not alone, in fact there are probably few here who DON'T recognize that OTC medicines are often covered by insurance. I just got one last month, and Medicare paid for the co-pay, my insurance for the rest. It's okay, we all know the intellectual quotient of Mr. Raptor's brain, so we just ignore it.
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