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Gas Prices and the Big GOP Lie

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The latest game of blaming Obama for high gas prices just makes me shake my head in disgust. Yeah, I know politicians will lie about anything to score points, but this one just blows my mind: $2.50?!?!? Gimme a BREAK!
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To hear the Republican presidential candidates tell it, President Obama is doing all he can — shy of changing the price signs at your local Mobil station — to raise the cost of gasoline. Last week Mitt Romney told Fox News that Obama "has done everything in his power to make it harder for us to get oil and natural gas in this country, driving up the price of those commodities in the case of gasoline." Rick Santorum last month warned that gas — now at $3.84 a gallon on average — would hit $5 a gallon under Obama, and that the President "has done everything possible to shut down energy production." Newt Gingrich — he of the promised $2.50-a-gallon gas — has called on Obama to fire Energy Secretary Steven Chu over comments he made years ago about the need for American gas prices to be higher. "If he doesn't," Gingrich said, "then the American people will know the President is still committed to his radical ideology, which wants to artificially raise the cost of energy."

I'm not positive, but I suspect that for Obama — like most Presidents — any ideology, radical or otherwise, takes a backseat come campaign season to the primary objective: getting re-elected. And no President who wants to remain President is going to be happy with gas prices that are scraping $4 a gallon, which is why over the past couple of weeks just about the only thing Obama seems to want to talk about is energy prices — and everything his government is doing to reduce them. Hence the unusual spectacle of seeing a Democratic President — and one who came into office on fire for clean energy — boasting that domestic oil production had risen for three straight years under his Administration. "When gas prices go up, it hurts everybody," Obama said in a speech last month. "High gas prices are like a tax straight out of your paycheck."

It's that same de facto tax that explains why politicians rush to blame each other when gas starts getting expensive. But is Obama really "fully responsible for what the American public is paying for gasoline," as the Republican Senator John Barrasso said last week?

The short answer is no — and pretty much so is the long answer. First things first: the price of gasoline is overwhelmingly dictated by the global price of crude oil. It's true that local conditions in individual countries can make a difference. Some East Coast refineries have shut down operations, for example, because they are locked into long-term sales contracts with distributors, making it impossible for them to pass on the higher price they're paying for oil, and thus cutting into their profit margins. This has further raised the price of gasoline, especially in big cities like Boston and Washington. (If you think you've got it bad, it costs $4.14 a gallon to fill up where I work in midtown Manhattan.) That's a problem that comes from the oil industry and needs to be resolved by the oil industry, not the President, and it's likely a temporary one anyway as refiners adjust to higher prices and reroute gasoline from the Gulf Coast.

No, gas is expensive because oil is expensive — and oil is expensive for reasons that the U.S. did not cause and can't unilaterally fix. American oil consumption is actually down from its peak of 20.8 million barrels a day in 2005 to a little under 19 million barrels a day last year. A lot of that is the lingering economic malaise, which depresses business and consumption and therefore driving; unemployed people, in other words, don't commute. Americans drove just under 8.1 billion miles in 2010, less than the 8.26 billion we drove in 2006.

Obama certainly doesn't want to take responsibility for the recession, but he may well want to claim some credit for another factor behind declining oil demand: more efficient vehicles. Ten years ago, cars and trucks averaged 24.7 m.p.g. By 2011, that figure rose to 29.6 m.p.g. — and new deals brokered by the Obama Administration with the automakers to raise fuel-efficiency standards to as high as 55 m.p.g. by 2025 could take an even bigger bite out of demand while also giving American drivers more resilience against high gas prices. After all, doubling the fuel efficiency of your vehicle is equivalent to cutting the price of gas in half.

That would be smart to do because it's quite possible that — barring another major global economic slowdown — oil will remain relatively expensive for the foreseeable future. Right now much of the recent price spike is due to tensions with Iran, a major oil producer. War with Iran is a real possibility, albeit an uncertain one, and if the missiles were to fly, we could easily see a price spike of $50 a barrel or more. So traders and major oil consumers are stockpiling crude now as a hedge against that very situation, which in turn drives the price up now by artificially inflating demand. I can't see how that's an incumbent President's fault. What's more, it's the Republicans themselves who are leaning on Obama to take a harder line against Iran, a move that would likely only raise the possibility of war and the attendant crude catastrophe.

Over the long term, however, the real driver of high oil prices is rapidly increasing demand from the developing world, especially India and China. Global oil consumption is expected to increase by 800,000 barrels a day to 89.9 million barrels a day by 2012 — and Asia is consuming 700,000 barrels worth of that increase. As Chinese and Indian consumers start buying and driving cars in large numbers, their share of global crude demand will only increase, and the oil industry will be hard-pressed to keep up. That means high prices could become the norm as long as we remain dependent on oil for the vast share of transportation fuels. "The era of cheap oil is over," says Fatih Birol, the chief economist at the International Energy Agency.

The final — and perhaps phoniest — knock on the President from the conservative wing is that he has thrown up huge roadblocks to domestic oil development. "It's very clear that this President does not want carbon-based energy flowing through the country," Romney told Fox recently, in a fairly typical example of the common refrain.

But if that really is the case, Obama is doing a poor job of executing that secret policy. Domestic oil production has steadily increased from about 5.18 million barrels a day in 2005 to more than 5.5 million barrels a day last year. That's largely thanks to a major increase in unconventional shale oil produced in Texas and North Dakota, which now produces more oil than the entire OPEC nation of Ecuador. There are more oil rigs now working in the U.S. than the rest of the world combined. Oil companies seem to be doing just fine — ExxonMobil made $9.4 billion in the past quarter. Critics note that much of the unconventional oil boom is happening on state or private land, and therefore is mostly outside the purview of the federal government, but it's hard to see how that is Obama's fault either. The U.S. is in the middle of an oil-and-natural-gas energy boom, even with a clean energy-loving Democrat in the White House. More at http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2109474,00.html


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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:02 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Regulation GOP dishonesty.

Geezer if I remember, hates political disingenuousness; he must be seething at this.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:46 AM

HERO


Gross oil production is up slightly, net oil production is down a lot. Production from Federal lands is lower then 2005.

The President is right, oil production is a lagging indicator. It would take five years for new domestic production approved today to be available. So where was Obama five years ago on increased domestic oil production...against it. Ten years ago...against it. Now...against it. Five years from now when today's $5/oil is $7-8...against it.

What about foriegn production? In Brazil...for it. Spent billions in loans helping develop it, but failed to secure contracts for it so its all going to China. Canada...does not care, so long as it does not come to the United States.

What could the President do?

1. Remove blend requirements for summer driving. Multiple blends forces refineries to limit production and retool thus increasing both time and costs, and decreasing net supply.

2. Approve the Keystone Pipeline. Jobs, yes. Years to build, yes. Helps today by placing negative pressure on oil futures which are driving up the cost of present day oil and placing positive pressure on the dollar (a weak dollar also drives up the net cost of oil).

3. Open up federal lands and protected areas (such as certain parts of Alaska) for exploration. Same as the pipeline this places negative pressure on oil futures while spurring job growth.

4. New refineries. We don't build them anymore. New refineries would be built with modern technolgy thus being more efficient and cleaner then our current refineries which are decades old. More refining capacity (we are at 100%) means more oil comes here for processing (because global oil stocks have outpaced global refining capacity). Side benefit is new jobs and perhaps we can build enough to start closing the oldest, dirtiest, and least efficient plants that circumstances require us to keep open...and we would not be so hurt should one accidently catch fire.

5. Screw solar panels and fungus, but that money into research into extracting oil from things like shale. Right now shale oil is only a viable option if the price of oil is around $120/barrel. Our shale reserves are estimated at over 100 years, be a shame to let it all go to waste because in fifty years somebody invents the fusion battery.

6. Temporary stop to the gas tax. Just for the summer. Should cut overall price by 10-12% (more if the states would go along).

Basically record gas prices are like a torpedo aimed at the economy...and it hits the poor and middle class the hardest follwed by local communities. No vacations to the beach, higher food costs, etc. Fewer summer jobs, less economic activity, less tax income.

On the upside it will likely cost Carter/Obama the election. That's a good thing.

H

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:49 AM

CAVETROLL


I recall reading somewhere that Obama was for higher gas prices as a way to spur development of "green" technology. I don't have time to look it up right now.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:52 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
I recall reading somewhere that Obama was for higher gas prices as a way to spur development of "green" technology. I don't have time to look it up right now.


Don't bother looking it up...there's great video and its going to be plastered on TV by the GOP this summer and fall.

Obama has also said he want's higher prices to force Americans to drive less. Also coming this summer to every TV in the world.

Also nice video of the Energy Secretary coming out in favor of higher prices and saying it was not his job to lower them...from last month.

H

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Basically record gas prices are like a torpedo aimed at the economy...and it hits the poor and middle class the hardest follwed by local communities.




So that's why Bush had gas prices above $4.11/gallon four years ago? Because he and the GOP really were waging a war against the poor and the middle class?

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:27 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by kpo:
Geezer if I remember, hates political disingenuousness; he must be seething at this.



But I hate editorial disingenuousness even more.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
I recall reading somewhere that Obama was for higher gas prices as a way to spur development of "green" technology. I don't have time to look it up right now.


Don't bother looking it up...there's great video and its going to be plastered on TV by the GOP this summer and fall.

Obama has also said he want's higher prices to force Americans to drive less. Also coming this summer to every TV in the world.

Also nice video of the Energy Secretary coming out in favor of higher prices and saying it was not his job to lower them...from last month.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.



He also said this...

" I think that I'd prefer a gradual adjustment. " - Obama

He wants higher gas prices, make no mistake. Just not for prices to rise so quickly.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by kpo:
Geezer if I remember, hates political disingenuousness; he must be seething at this.



But I hate editorial disingenuousness even more.




But you're so very good at it! It's really the only trick you have left.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:44 AM

CAVETROLL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Basically record gas prices are like a torpedo aimed at the economy...and it hits the poor and middle class the hardest follwed by local communities.




So that's why Bush had gas prices above $4.11/gallon four years ago? Because he and the GOP really were waging a war against the poor and the middle class?


Yeah, except he lowered them to $1.86/gal between November 2008 and January 2009. You're a fool to believe politics has anything to do with this. We're being gamed.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:46 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


That was so nice of him, to allow the entire economy to crash so that gas prices could go down. That was very considerate of him.

U didn't seriously just make an argument that Bush deserves credit for something economic that occurred between 08 and 09, did ya? Yaknow....that little thing they been calling the Great Recession, that u boys all want to blame Obama for?

Im so glad Bush was looking out for us by reducing the economy by more than a trillion dollars to save us at the pump.

Oh, and 400k plus jobs a month lost...screw those people, as long as I can fill my Escalade for less than 60 dollars, I dont care!

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:50 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So that's why Bush had gas prices above $4.11/gallon four years ago? Because he and the GOP really were waging a war against the poor and the middle class?


"War against the poor and middle class"...that's your line, not mine.

I said high gas prices will sink the economy and that it most affects the poor and middle class.

You noted the high prices of four years ago and that is a big part of the economic weakness that allowed Obama to win. If you look back to 2000 you'll see similar historic highs helped Bush to win, you'll also note that drilling in Alaska was a major issue, an issue successfully opposed by Democrats throughout the decade including President Obama.

H

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:55 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Yeah, except he lowered them to $1.86/gal between November 2008 and January 2009. You're a fool to believe politics has anything to do with this. We're being gamed.


The 2008 price spike was because of a weak dollar, not a supply issue. By December of 2008 our immediate credit crisis was over but Europe's was just starting thus the dollar regained strength and held that strength until the President passed his stimulas plan.

Now the situation is worse because production increases are not keeping up with demand, there are supply disruptions built into the system dating back the prior to the Gulf Oil spill, and the dollar is continuing to weaken due to our massive increase in our debt.

In short the President's policies have more then quadrupled our debt and more then doubled the gas prices while increasing the tax and regulation burden on an economy that is hurting for job growth. If he can spin that into a positive...maybe he wins. My own take is that anybody who fills their tank on the way to the polls is not going to vote for Obama.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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