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Zimmerman video
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:19 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Zimmerman said Martin pinned him to the ground and began slamming his head into the sidewalk. The police report described Zimmerman's back as wet and covered with grass, as though he had been lying on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head, the police report said.
Quote:Explosive video reveals that George Zimmerman appeared uninjured when he arrived at a Florida police station the night he shot Trayvon Martin — his nose is not broken or bleeding and the back of his head is unmarked by grass or bruising. The Sanford, Fla., Police Department says it did not arrest the Hispanic neighborhood watchman who killed the unarmed black teenager because Trayvon was pounding his head into the ground and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. The security camera footage shot inside the police station directly contradicts a police report written that night. “I could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground,” Officer Timothy Smith wrote after the shooting Feb. 26. “Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head,” the officer wrote. The high-quality security footage obtained by ABC News shows clearly that Zimmerman’s red and black fleece jacket is unmarred, the back of his close-cropped head is clean and his nose is not bloody. He walks easily and appears to be in no pain. His hands are cuffed behind him, but is able to get out on his own. He appears fitter and lighter than he did in his now-famous pudgy 2005 mug shot. Police appear to treat him casually, chatting easily with him. More at http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-case-shooter-george-zimmerman-appears-uninjured-police-video-night-shooting-article-1.1052433 at http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475 And, Quote:The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for burial told HLN’s Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman. “As for his hands and knuckles, I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Kurtz said. While Kurtz is not a forensics expert, the funeral director said he has handled the bodies of many homicide victims in his career. This case in particular affected him as he learned more about what happened to Trayvon Martin and how the case was handled. http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/03/28/funeral-director-saw-no-signs-fight-trayvons-hands] Then there's also this:Quote:New information now contradicts Sanford police chief’s initial claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman in the murder of 17-year old Trayvon Martin. Angela Corey, a special prosecutor assigned to case by Gov. Rick Scott, told CBS4 news partner The Miami Herald that early in the investigation police requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office. An incident report on the shooting classified it as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.” Corey said police did file a capias (a request that charges be filed) with the State Attorney’s Office. The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges. More at http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28/sanford-police-originally-wanted-to-charge-zimmerman/, regarding the 13-year-old supposed witness who saw Martin beating Zimmerman, Quote:The mother of a 13-year-old witness in the slaying of Trayvon Martin said Wednesday that police waited five days before seeking to question her son and then told her they didn't believe the shooting was self-defense. The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness. "I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said. Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark. Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping." She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense." Brown's son was walking the family dog when he saw the person lying on the ground, she said. He went to help, but the dog escaped from its leash, so he went chasing after it rather than rushing to the person, she said. Police have confirmed that Zimmerman told them that Martin knocked him to the ground and began beating him. At no time did her son see anyone beating anyone, Brown said. In the days since the shooting, the boy has reflected on whether he might have been able to help or even save Martin had he not tried to retrieve his dog, she said. "Unfortunately, he has a lot of guilt about that," she said. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense] Then there's this:Quote:A source with knowledge of the investigation into the shooting of Trayvon Martin tells theGrio that it was then Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor, who made the decision to release George Zimmerman on the night of February 26th, after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger -- in person. Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself. ABC News reported Tuesday that, after questioning Zimmerman at the Sanford police station, homicide investigator Chris Serino filed an affidavit February 26th stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting. He recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter, but was advised by Wolfinger's office that there wasn't enough evidence to secure a conviction. Zimmerman was subsequently released. What was not stated was that, on the night of the killing, Wolfinger may have traveled to either the scene of the shooting or the police station to discuss the case with Lee and O'Connor, who was briefly named interim "co-chief" with the current acting chief, Darren Scott, when Lee announced he would step down temporarily last week. In this case, the source says investigators spoke to the on-duty assistant state attorney -- an unidentified woman -- who did not come to the scene, but that Wolfinger did. And according to the source, after a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose." http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/source-sanford-police-chief-state-attorney-made-zimmerman-no-charge-call-in-person.php#46882946] So where do we go NOW? As I said before, there's just too much that doesn't make sense, to me. ETA:Quote: Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/ original police report has been relased, and the description reads: "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act". http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/sanford_files/PoliceReports.pdf
Quote:The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for burial told HLN’s Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman. “As for his hands and knuckles, I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Kurtz said. While Kurtz is not a forensics expert, the funeral director said he has handled the bodies of many homicide victims in his career. This case in particular affected him as he learned more about what happened to Trayvon Martin and how the case was handled. http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/03/28/funeral-director-saw-no-signs-fight-trayvons-hands] Then there's also this:Quote:New information now contradicts Sanford police chief’s initial claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman in the murder of 17-year old Trayvon Martin. Angela Corey, a special prosecutor assigned to case by Gov. Rick Scott, told CBS4 news partner The Miami Herald that early in the investigation police requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office. An incident report on the shooting classified it as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.” Corey said police did file a capias (a request that charges be filed) with the State Attorney’s Office. The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges. More at http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28/sanford-police-originally-wanted-to-charge-zimmerman/, regarding the 13-year-old supposed witness who saw Martin beating Zimmerman, Quote:The mother of a 13-year-old witness in the slaying of Trayvon Martin said Wednesday that police waited five days before seeking to question her son and then told her they didn't believe the shooting was self-defense. The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness. "I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said. Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark. Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping." She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense." Brown's son was walking the family dog when he saw the person lying on the ground, she said. He went to help, but the dog escaped from its leash, so he went chasing after it rather than rushing to the person, she said. Police have confirmed that Zimmerman told them that Martin knocked him to the ground and began beating him. At no time did her son see anyone beating anyone, Brown said. In the days since the shooting, the boy has reflected on whether he might have been able to help or even save Martin had he not tried to retrieve his dog, she said. "Unfortunately, he has a lot of guilt about that," she said. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense] Then there's this:Quote:A source with knowledge of the investigation into the shooting of Trayvon Martin tells theGrio that it was then Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor, who made the decision to release George Zimmerman on the night of February 26th, after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger -- in person. Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself. ABC News reported Tuesday that, after questioning Zimmerman at the Sanford police station, homicide investigator Chris Serino filed an affidavit February 26th stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting. He recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter, but was advised by Wolfinger's office that there wasn't enough evidence to secure a conviction. Zimmerman was subsequently released. What was not stated was that, on the night of the killing, Wolfinger may have traveled to either the scene of the shooting or the police station to discuss the case with Lee and O'Connor, who was briefly named interim "co-chief" with the current acting chief, Darren Scott, when Lee announced he would step down temporarily last week. In this case, the source says investigators spoke to the on-duty assistant state attorney -- an unidentified woman -- who did not come to the scene, but that Wolfinger did. And according to the source, after a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose." http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/source-sanford-police-chief-state-attorney-made-zimmerman-no-charge-call-in-person.php#46882946] So where do we go NOW? As I said before, there's just too much that doesn't make sense, to me. ETA:Quote: Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/ original police report has been relased, and the description reads: "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act". http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/sanford_files/PoliceReports.pdf
Quote:New information now contradicts Sanford police chief’s initial claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman in the murder of 17-year old Trayvon Martin. Angela Corey, a special prosecutor assigned to case by Gov. Rick Scott, told CBS4 news partner The Miami Herald that early in the investigation police requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office. An incident report on the shooting classified it as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.” Corey said police did file a capias (a request that charges be filed) with the State Attorney’s Office. The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges. More at http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28/sanford-police-originally-wanted-to-charge-zimmerman/, regarding the 13-year-old supposed witness who saw Martin beating Zimmerman, Quote:The mother of a 13-year-old witness in the slaying of Trayvon Martin said Wednesday that police waited five days before seeking to question her son and then told her they didn't believe the shooting was self-defense. The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness. "I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said. Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark. Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping." She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense." Brown's son was walking the family dog when he saw the person lying on the ground, she said. He went to help, but the dog escaped from its leash, so he went chasing after it rather than rushing to the person, she said. Police have confirmed that Zimmerman told them that Martin knocked him to the ground and began beating him. At no time did her son see anyone beating anyone, Brown said. In the days since the shooting, the boy has reflected on whether he might have been able to help or even save Martin had he not tried to retrieve his dog, she said. "Unfortunately, he has a lot of guilt about that," she said. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense] Then there's this:Quote:A source with knowledge of the investigation into the shooting of Trayvon Martin tells theGrio that it was then Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor, who made the decision to release George Zimmerman on the night of February 26th, after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger -- in person. Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself. ABC News reported Tuesday that, after questioning Zimmerman at the Sanford police station, homicide investigator Chris Serino filed an affidavit February 26th stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting. He recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter, but was advised by Wolfinger's office that there wasn't enough evidence to secure a conviction. Zimmerman was subsequently released. What was not stated was that, on the night of the killing, Wolfinger may have traveled to either the scene of the shooting or the police station to discuss the case with Lee and O'Connor, who was briefly named interim "co-chief" with the current acting chief, Darren Scott, when Lee announced he would step down temporarily last week. In this case, the source says investigators spoke to the on-duty assistant state attorney -- an unidentified woman -- who did not come to the scene, but that Wolfinger did. And according to the source, after a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose." http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/source-sanford-police-chief-state-attorney-made-zimmerman-no-charge-call-in-person.php#46882946] So where do we go NOW? As I said before, there's just too much that doesn't make sense, to me. ETA:Quote: Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/ original police report has been relased, and the description reads: "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act". http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/sanford_files/PoliceReports.pdf
Quote:The mother of a 13-year-old witness in the slaying of Trayvon Martin said Wednesday that police waited five days before seeking to question her son and then told her they didn't believe the shooting was self-defense. The shooting occurred Feb. 26, and Brown's son called 911 to report it at the time. But police didn't seek to question him until March 2, Brown said. She wasn't home, so they returned March 5, meaning eight days passed before police actually questioned a key eyewitness. "I was waiting every day for someone to come knocking on the door," she said. Once they did, Brown alleged, police tried to lead her son to agree to certain assertions, such as the race of the person on the ground and what he was wearing. But the boy stuck to his insistence that he couldn't make out either because it was too dark. Brown alleged that the lead investigator "told me this was not self-defense," saying she should "read between the lines" because "this was racial stereotyping." She said the investigator said he had children of his own "and seemed angered by it," saying, "I need to prove this was not self-defense." Brown's son was walking the family dog when he saw the person lying on the ground, she said. He went to help, but the dog escaped from its leash, so he went chasing after it rather than rushing to the person, she said. Police have confirmed that Zimmerman told them that Martin knocked him to the ground and began beating him. At no time did her son see anyone beating anyone, Brown said. In the days since the shooting, the boy has reflected on whether he might have been able to help or even save Martin had he not tried to retrieve his dog, she said. "Unfortunately, he has a lot of guilt about that," she said. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10909475-witness-mom-says-police-told-her-trayvon-martin-shooting-wasnt-self-defense] Then there's this:Quote:A source with knowledge of the investigation into the shooting of Trayvon Martin tells theGrio that it was then Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor, who made the decision to release George Zimmerman on the night of February 26th, after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger -- in person. Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself. ABC News reported Tuesday that, after questioning Zimmerman at the Sanford police station, homicide investigator Chris Serino filed an affidavit February 26th stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting. He recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter, but was advised by Wolfinger's office that there wasn't enough evidence to secure a conviction. Zimmerman was subsequently released. What was not stated was that, on the night of the killing, Wolfinger may have traveled to either the scene of the shooting or the police station to discuss the case with Lee and O'Connor, who was briefly named interim "co-chief" with the current acting chief, Darren Scott, when Lee announced he would step down temporarily last week. In this case, the source says investigators spoke to the on-duty assistant state attorney -- an unidentified woman -- who did not come to the scene, but that Wolfinger did. And according to the source, after a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose." http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/source-sanford-police-chief-state-attorney-made-zimmerman-no-charge-call-in-person.php#46882946] So where do we go NOW? As I said before, there's just too much that doesn't make sense, to me. ETA:Quote: Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/ original police report has been relased, and the description reads: "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act". http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/sanford_files/PoliceReports.pdf
Quote:A source with knowledge of the investigation into the shooting of Trayvon Martin tells theGrio that it was then Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor, who made the decision to release George Zimmerman on the night of February 26th, after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger -- in person. Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself. ABC News reported Tuesday that, after questioning Zimmerman at the Sanford police station, homicide investigator Chris Serino filed an affidavit February 26th stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting. He recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter, but was advised by Wolfinger's office that there wasn't enough evidence to secure a conviction. Zimmerman was subsequently released. What was not stated was that, on the night of the killing, Wolfinger may have traveled to either the scene of the shooting or the police station to discuss the case with Lee and O'Connor, who was briefly named interim "co-chief" with the current acting chief, Darren Scott, when Lee announced he would step down temporarily last week. In this case, the source says investigators spoke to the on-duty assistant state attorney -- an unidentified woman -- who did not come to the scene, but that Wolfinger did. And according to the source, after a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose." http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/source-sanford-police-chief-state-attorney-made-zimmerman-no-charge-call-in-person.php#46882946] So where do we go NOW? As I said before, there's just too much that doesn't make sense, to me. ETA:Quote: Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/ original police report has been relased, and the description reads: "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act". http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/sanford_files/PoliceReports.pdf
Quote: Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/ original police report has been relased, and the description reads: "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act". http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/sanford_files/PoliceReports.pdf
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:53 PM
HERO
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:03 PM
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:08 PM
Quote:Initial police reports said Zimmerman was treated at the scene of the shooting for bleeding on the back of his head and on or from his nose. His lawyer, Craig Sonner, has claimed Zimmerman suffered a gash on the back of his head that would have required stitches, though he says Zimmerman did not receive treatment until it had already begun to heal. And leaks to the Orlando Sentinel have suggested that Zimmerman's nose was broken. Zimmerman supporter Joe Oliver, who worked with him at a mortgage security firm, has said Zimmerman told him Trayvon punched him in the face, breaking his nose, then when he fell to the ground, began bashing his head into the sidewalk, before Zimmerman shot him, Oliver says, in self-defense. The surveillance tape does not show Zimmerman with a visibly broken or even bloody nose. http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-case-surveillance-footage-shows-zimmerman-had-no-blood-bruises-on-him.php is the gash that would have required stitches? I find it fascinating that some are so insistent on finding ways to explain the inconsistencies. Simply the statement by his attorney that he received a gash to the back of his head, all by itself, contradicts this surveillance footage of a casual Zimmerman walking around with NO evidence whatsoever of any cut to the back of his head. Leaving out absolutely everything else, doesn't that make anyone wonder? Weird. So much is screwy about this whole thing, I don't see how anyone can buy Zimmerman's story that he was attacked, had his head slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly, causing a gash, had a broken nose, etc., etc., after seeing this surveillance video. Strains the brain, it does...
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:59 PM
Quote:Sonner told CNN that Zimmerman was injured on the night of the killing. "I believe that his nose was broken; he sustained injury to his nose and on the back of his head he sustained a cut that was serious enough it probably should have had stitches," Sonner said. http://www.kmbc.com/news/30745375/detail.html#ixzz1qRLiRvgp] His attorney, Craig Sonner, finally spoke out to Anderson Cooper last night, and had few answers but one accusation– his client has a broken nose and a laceration on his skull, and that was “an injury done by Trayvon Martin.” Sonner noted Zimmerman’s “nose was broken, he sustained injury to his nose and on the back of his head; he sustained a cut that was serious enough to merit stitches, but it took too long to get to the hospital.” Cooper asked how Zimmerman’s nose broke– “an injury done by Trayvon Martin.” http://www.mediaite.com/tv/zimmerman-attorney-to-anderson-cooper-trayvon-martin-broke-my-clients-nose/ said the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing. http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-investigator-asked-for-manslaughter-charge-for-zimmerman/#xdm_e=http%3A%2F%2Flatino.foxnews.com&xdm_c=default1727&xdm_p=1& refused to go to the doctor at the scene although paramedics arrived to treat him) HE SAID HE DID NOT NEED A DOCTOR. http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/time-eat-crow-zimmerman-not-injured-video, Zimmerman had a bloody/broken nose, but, he refused treatment and, apparently, the police took no photos of his injuries.
Quote:Zimmerman was released shortly after the Sanford P.D. got there, he refused treatment for a broken nose at the local hospital. http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/did-orange-county-magistrate-robert-zimmerman-pull-the-strings-for-george-zimmerman-on-the-domestic/question-2546971/?page=1&postId=80784261#post_80784261 I ask again; where's the gash? I would assume the description of the "gash" came from Zimmerman to his attorney, so the attorney didn't actually "see" it, but the police saying it was consistent with the evidence...?
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM
OONJERAH
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:09 PM
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:32 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:36 PM
Quote:HIPPA will delay release of those records until Zimmerman approves which his lawyers won't do until necessary if at all. Better to keep those as an ace for trial.
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:53 PM
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:57 PM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:33 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: When I was a kid I fell back and slammed my head hard and had a mild concussion. No blood or visible marks, just a big lump. It's possible they had him change clothes so they could collect his at the scene for evidence. He was treated for a broen nose. They would have done all the medical treatment prior to officially taking him into custody, otherwise the city is responsible for the costs of his treatment. HIPPA will delay release of those records until Zimmerman approves which his lawyers won't do until necessary if at all. Better to keep those as an ace for trial.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:05 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:18 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:45 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Better to keep those as an ace for trial." From what I know of gathering medical evidence for criminal cases, it has to be documented by police (photographs, testimony), and gathered by experts, either forensics experts or doctors and nurses in the case of collecting rape evidence. It has to have a chain of custody attached or a chain of people able to testify to its provenance. Otherwise, it has little weight as evidence.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Can EMS magicly take way swelling as well? I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:56 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: There is no way his nose was broken. You break your nose there is going to be blood, enough that he would have it on his shirt. His face would be swollen, and unless he knew better than to try and blow his nose to clear it, his eyes would be swollen enough to be visable.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:03 AM
Quote:Zimmerman had been "cleaned-up" and received first aid in the four hours between the incident and Zimmerman's videotaped arrival at the police station. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10915887-police-video-shows-george-zimmerman-shortly-after-trayvon-martin-shooting sense. But NO evidence of blood on his clothes or a gash on his head? The strains credibility for me. Obviously it doesn't make him guilty, but it makes his account of events questionable. He could have embellished after the fact out of fear of prosecution or something. Given I DO think the police were culpable of reeeely sloppy work and they're being questioned so much now, THEY could have embellished to cover their asses. It's interesting to follow this as things emerge; I think this video is pretty damming regarding his version of events, and I hope they DO get any medical records they can. The attorney said repeatedly he did not go to hospital to get the gash looked at until it was too late and by then it had healed. If he'd been right about it "should have needed stitches", wouldn't there be at least a scar or something left by now? Have the police contacted him since this started coming out...oh, wait, they're saying there was a gash too. If nobody checks him out, then by the time this comes to trial there WILL be no evidence of injuries, won't there? If there was such a big "gash", wouldn't the EMTs have put some kind of bandage on it which would be visible on the video? Supposedly it was big enough to need stitches...surely EMTs wouldn't have wanted that to go uncovered and unprotected? What about the lead investigator wanting to arrest him initially, and being overruled by higher ups? They say they didn't arrest him because there wasn't enough evidence; I think they were very wrong not to take photos at the scene, collect evidence, etc., etc., because most of anything there might have been would be gone now. So all that's left is medical evidence, but he refused to go to hospital that night, and supposedly didn't go for treatment until the gash was healed. I read somewhere that the attorney said he went to hospital "the next day" for the broken nose; if Kiki is correct, if you get treatment, they examine you for other injuries. If he went to hospital the next day for the nose, how could the gash have gone untreated for so long it was healing? That seems contradictory. On the other hand, according to his account, Trayvon knocked him down then pinned Zimmerman's arms with his knees, so there might well be no evidence of a fight on Zimmerman's hands. Too late to know anyway, because any small cuts or bruises he received struggling free and getting up are long gone. All this is very interesting; we'll see how it plays out.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:27 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:05 AM
Quote:the cops might have taken him home to change.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:16 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:49 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: I've seen a lot of beatings, the injuries are often not visible until hours later.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:55 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:19 AM
Quote:How many jackets do you own?
Quote:Head trauma doesn't always show up at scene.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Gashes that "should have stitches" sure as hell do. Keep reaching, it's amusing to watch.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:59 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Gashes that "should have stitches" sure as hell do. Keep reaching, it's amusing to watch. Why watch? You know the truth. I'm expecting you any day now to grab a rope, round up some Black Panthers, head for Florida, and have yourself a good old-fashoned lynching. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:37 AM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Always count on a rightie to go petty.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Spoon!
Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:07 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: "As I keep saying, they did NOT. He is still wearing the red jacket he was wearing at the scene, as witnesses have described, and there is absolutely no indication that they took him anywhere but from the scene to the police department. It's immaterial anyway, given he is still clearly wearing the same red jacket he was at the scene." How many jackets do you own? Me? I have one or two. So they bust him on this, he changes his shirt, throws on his jacket and they book him. I'm starting to grasp at straws.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:24 AM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Spoon! Hey. You and Niki can spoon all you want. She'll still be prejudging the Zimmerman case based on her stereotypes.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:35 PM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:11 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:58 PM
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Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Zimmerman was apparently attacked from behind ..." And this little gem is based on ... what? Zimmerman's say-so? Too bad Martin isn't around to give his story. The facts remain - an armed large man shot an unarmed and much smaller teenager who was doing something as innocent as coming home with snacks. For sure that teen didn't jump Zimmerman out of the blue leading to defense from attack. The entire situation was created and fostered by Zimmerman, and by him alone.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:52 PM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:29 PM
Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: This makes it REALLY unlikely that Zimmerman was jumped from behind in a surprise attack. Zimmerman's misleading story to the contrary. No one SAW Martin 'jump' Zimmerman. All of that is simply the word of Zimmerman. But knowing your tenuous relation to facts, I don't expect you'll know the difference between story and evidence.
Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: And Ive per-judged... where now? Oh, right, facts are irrelevant when you have ideology.
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Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:31 PM
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