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Big Coal slides by again

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The man in charge of ensuring the safety of miners at West Virginia's Upper Big Branch coal mine pleaded guilty Thursday to charges that he helped conceal hazardous conditions from federal inspectors.

Gary May is the highest-ranking executive of former mine owner Massey Energy charged in connection with an April 2010 explosion that killed 29 miners. He could be sentenced to up to five years in prison and fined $250,000 for conspiring to defraud the federal government, the U.S. attorney's office in Charleston said.

As part of his plea agreement, May has agreed to cooperate with the investigation into the worst U.S. mining accident in decades.

"I'm pleased that Mr. May is cooperating with our investigation," U.S. Attorney Booth Goodwin said in a statement on Thursday's plea. "We hope he can give us a better picture of what was going on at this company."

In court Thursday, May admitted to tipping off mine managers that inspectors from the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration were on their way, allowing them to clean up hazards like poor airflow and piles of loose coal that would have led to citations and fines. He also admitted to falsifying safety records and telling miners to rewire a device that monitored flammable methane gas levels, allowing mine equipment to run illegally, prosecutors said.

"People who run coal mines have a fundamental obligation to be honest with mine regulators," Goodwin said. "When mine operators resort to tricks and deceit to keep government officials in the dark, our mine safety system unravels and miners are put in harm's way. The least we can do for coal miners is protect the integrity of the laws designed to keep them safe."

May faces an August 9 sentencing hearing in Beckley, West Virginia.

The Upper Big Branch explosion was the worst U.S. mine disaster since 1972, when 91 men died in a fire at the Sunshine Mine in Kellogg, Idaho. In a December report, MSHA found a methane ignition that set off flammable coal dust was the immediate cause of the 2010 explosion, but it also blamed the "unlawful policies and practices" of Massey Energy, which it said "promoted and enforced a workplace culture that valued production over safety."

Massey kept two sets of books to mislead federal inspectors and its own workers about hazards in the mine, and had twice as many accidents as it reported to regulators, the report concluded. The company failed to conduct adequate inspections, intimidated workers to prevent them from reporting violations and tipped off crews to surprise inspections, MSHA found.

Alpha Natural Resources bought Massey in 2011 and has agreed to a $209 million settlement to avoid prosecution. The deal includes payments of $1.5 million to each family that lost a member in the Upper Big Branch mine.

An earlier state investigation found the mine lacked adequate ventilation; water sprays on equipment were not properly maintained and failed to function as they should have; and the mining company didn't meet federal and state safety standards for the application of rock dust, a crucial tool in keeping highly volatile coal dust from exploding.

Massey Energy -- whose former CEO, Don Blankenship, was an outspoken critic of federal regulators -- disputed that report, saying the blast probably occurred when natural gas flooded into the mine. MSHA said that investigators considered that explanation but that it didn't fit the facts. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/west-virginia-coal-blast/index.h
tml?hpt=hp_t3

All of which was no doubt a drop in the bucket compared to their profits, and now they've got a fall guy, they get off essentially scott free. I hear the ads about "clean coal" and how good coal is for all of us, and I want to scream. Why should we bother with alternative energy? We can just keep letting coal and oil companies kill people, pollute the nation, make giant profits off the rest of us; hey, it's The American Way!

Am I bitter today? You betcha!

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:58 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"All of which was no doubt a drop in the bucket compared to their profits, and now they've got a fall guy, they get off essentially scott free. I hear the ads about "clean coal" and how good coal is for all of us, and I want to scream. Why should we bother with alternative energy? We can just keep letting coal and oil companies kill people, pollute the nation, make giant profits off the rest of us; hey, it's The American Way!

Am I bitter today? You betcha!"

Find me a source of energy that isn't unicorn farts, and faerie kisses,

You know, the kind of energy that produces the same amount per effort that coal or oil does...

I'll kiss you and proclaim you pretty.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Find me a source of energy that isn't unicorn farts, and faerie kisses
You are short sighted and ignorant, there's no point in trying to debate you. I won't waste my time.



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Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:42 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"All of which was no doubt a drop in the bucket compared to their profits, and now they've got a fall guy, they get off essentially scott free. I hear the ads about "clean coal" and how good coal is for all of us, and I want to scream. Why should we bother with alternative energy? We can just keep letting coal and oil companies kill people, pollute the nation, make giant profits off the rest of us; hey, it's The American Way!

Am I bitter today? You betcha!"

Find me a source of energy that isn't unicorn farts, and faerie kisses,

You know, the kind of energy that produces the same amount per effort that coal or oil does...

I'll kiss you and proclaim you pretty.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"




Hello,

If you come out to my neck of the woods and sit outside all day, I suspect alternative energy will make an impression on you. More than unicorn farts and faerie kisses, at any rate.

ETA: http://www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/internationa
l/2012/March/international_March676.xml§ion=international&col
=

A solar power plant that generates electricity at night. No faerie required.

--Anthony

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:40 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_Hollow_Wind_Energy_Center

Hello,

Here's another one that doesn't run on unicorn farts. Wind Power. Partly located in Texas.

Capacity to power a million homes.

--Anthony

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:47 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelamis_wave_energy_converter

Hello,

Wave power. Perhaps Mermaids can be blamed.

--Anthony


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Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:24 PM

WISHIMAY


I don't know anything about alternative energies, but I know about coal... Everybody rigs stuff, every one of 'em lies to inspectors..

Why? 'Cause it affects not only the company's bottom line but the workers too...Company gets fined, where do those fines eventually come from??

THE WORKER!

Why? 'Cause the people at the top are gonna make damn sure it don't come outta theirs...

How ya gonna fix it? Yer not.

Next stop, China... over there if you only loose below so many people a day, you don't even have to report it

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Friday, March 30, 2012 6:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you, Anthony, for taking the time I wouldn't. There's also those wind farms in California...



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Friday, March 30, 2012 8:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"All of which was no doubt a drop in the bucket compared to their profits, and now they've got a fall guy, they get off essentially scott free. I hear the ads about "clean coal" and how good coal is for all of us, and I want to scream. Why should we bother with alternative energy? We can just keep letting coal and oil companies kill people, pollute the nation, make giant profits off the rest of us; hey, it's The American Way!

Am I bitter today? You betcha!"

Find me a source of energy that isn't unicorn farts, and faerie kisses,

You know, the kind of energy that produces the same amount per effort that coal or oil does...

I'll kiss you and proclaim you pretty.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"





Yup, that makes it okay to endanger workers to bump the bottom line.

You're a piece of shit, Wulfie.

Spoon!

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Friday, March 30, 2012 8:27 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Niki,

I didn't mean to slight California. I just thought that emphasizing the Texas wind turbines might cause alternative energy to seem more Cowboyish and Manly to the Right. ;-)

--Anthony

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Friday, March 30, 2012 8:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Didn't even occur to me...I didn't look at the links until now, I just saw you'd put up some viable stuff on wind, wave, etc., which would have taken me time to look up myself. Hey, if wind energy being in Texas means ANYTHING to these blind idjits, I'm in favor of it! Personally I think it's really cool of Texas, given their attitude on most stuff and their huge connection to oil.



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Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:36 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Wulf, In this particular thread I got the impression that Niki was pointing out the corruption rampant in the coal mining industry and not focusing as much on the problems that coal can be.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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