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“you can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime.” - Barack Obama
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 10:56 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: GSA chief resigns amid reports of excessive spending $823,000 training conference, held for 300 West Coast employees at the M Resort and Casino, an opulent hotel in Henderson, Nev., just south of Las Vegas. From $130,000 in travel expenses for six scouting trips to a $2,000 party in Peck’s loft suite, event planners violated federal limits on conference spending..... Among the “excessive, wasteful and in some cases impermissable” spending the inspector general documented: $5,600 for three semi-private catered in-room parties and $44 per person daily breakfasts; $75,000 for a “team-building” exercise — the goal was to build a bicycle; $146,000 on catered food and drinks; and $6,325 on commemorative coins in velvet boxes to reward all participants for their work on stimulus projects. The $31,208 “networking” reception featured a $19-per-person artisanal cheese display and $7,000 of sushi. At the conference’s closing-night dinner, employees received “yearbooks” with their pictures, at a cost of $8,130. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gsa-chief-resigns-amid-reports-of-excessive-spending/2012/04/02/gIQABLNNrS_story.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:20 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:31 PM
HERO
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:34 PM
WHOZIT
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Did they stop by the pawn shop where they shoot "Pawn Stars"?
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:44 PM
Quote: Heck, if they're not careful, in a few hundred years they'll have spent almost as much taxpayer money as we give the oil industry every year! $20,000,000,000.00 will throw one hell of a party on the taxpayer dime!
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 2:11 PM
STORYMARK
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 2:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: How insipid to equate record profits with pennies. Suffer the poor billionaire. Spoon!
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 4:30 PM
Tuesday, April 3, 2012 4:52 PM
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 5:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: He says no more going to Vegas on the tax payer's dime, and then does exactly that, mindlessly spending in the most inane, senseless and frivolous manner, and you're perfectly o.k. with that? Of course you are, because it's Obama.
Quote: You're logic is upside down.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Sooooo... for the record. A trillion-dollar-plus misadventure in Iraq? Totally worth every penny, and a bargain at twice the price! Twenty-billion-dollar taxpayer handouts to big oil? Mere "pennies"! But $823,000 on a party? OUTRAGE! Priorities. Rappy's all about priorities. It's not that he's really against government waste, or wasteful spending per se, as long as it's being wasted on killing people...
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:14 AM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wow. Now you claim that Obama himself took this trip. You really should stay off the drugs. They're clouding your already weak judgment.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobrain: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wow. Now you claim that Obama himself took this trip. You really should stay off the drugs. They're clouding your already weak judgment. Does the buck stop at Obama or was that just Bush?
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: No, YOU are! [see if Rappy can figure out what just happened there...]
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:21 PM
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Yeah, the debt is all THIS President. The Holy Dubya had nothing to do with it.
Quote: Im sure when Bush traveled (while running up the debt himself) he stayed at Motel 6, right? Right?
Quote: Hell, Dubya, with all his many, many, many, many, many, many vacations in Texas - all of which he used Air Force One to get to - ran up over $20 million just to GO to his vacation spot (due to AF1's average $60,000 per hour operation cost).
Quote: Of course, you had ZERO complaint about all that spending when he was in office. How cute.
Quote: And every one of us liberals have said bad things about Obama (or as you - the one who claims it isn't about race put it - the Black Man).
Quote: Nevermind - one of these days Ill remember your allergy to truth.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wow. Now you claim that Obama himself took this trip. You really should stay off the drugs. They're clouding your already weak judgment. Does the buck stop at Obama or was that just Bush?
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: No, YOU are! [see if Rappy can figure out what just happened there...] I know what happened there. You ignored the story, per usual, because you have zero defense for what Obama actually SAID vs what members of his administration actually DID. We're trillions of dollars in debt, piled on by THIS PRESIDENT AND THIS ADMINISTRATION, and yet the govt is paying for 6 " planning trips " out to Vegas, staying at a 5 star resort, ordering $ 44 breakfast( The breakfast bar at Mandalay Bay doesn't even cost that much ) neat commemorative coins, 'year books' ? , and a mind reader to boot !
Quote: You've said ZERO about all this wasted tax payer money, because you don't DARE say 1 negative thing about a black man, huh?
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Can you show me one single thing you ever held Bush responsible for? Or is that a standard you only hold Obama to?
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Do you mean real "bucks" or bullshit made-up ones, like this?
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Yet another lie from Rappy, who wouldn't know a fact if it smacked him in the head. I've said something about this wasted money, AND I've had negative things to say about not only this black man, but some others as well. So admit you're straight-up lying, apologize, and we'll move on. Never mind; I know you don't have the guts to do it.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: There can't be ANOTHER lie if there wasn't a 1st one. The lie here, however, is being made by you. Not once in this thread did you say anything critical about the GSA's 800K party out in Vegas. You said 'something' ? If your mockingly , patronizing comment " OUTRAGE " is suppose to count as 'something', then you're a bigger failure than I had thought. ( And that's saying a great deal ) How about YOU apologize for lying in this thread, and accusing me of lying, which I never did.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Can you show me one single thing you ever held Bush responsible for? Or is that a standard you only hold Obama to? Bush wasn't responsible for anything, it was all Clinton's fault.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Yet another lie from Rappy, who wouldn't know a fact if it smacked him in the head. I've said something about this wasted money, AND I've had negative things to say about not only this black man, but some others as well. So admit you're straight-up lying, apologize, and we'll move on. Never mind; I know you don't have the guts to do it. One line, made after ridiculous and irrelevant side issues and insults. I missed that one, but I won't apologize, because it wasn't a lie.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: There can't be ANOTHER lie if there wasn't a 1st one. The lie here, however, is being made by you. Not once in this thread did you say anything critical about the GSA's 800K party out in Vegas. You said 'something' ? If your mockingly , patronizing comment " OUTRAGE " is suppose to count as 'something', then you're a bigger failure than I had thought. ( And that's saying a great deal ) How about YOU apologize for lying in this thread, and accusing me of lying, which I never did. Just noting for hilarity that in order for Rappy to make that last response, in which he denies a lie by lying, and shifting the goalsposts (from never saying anything bad about a black man, to making a specific complaint in this thread only) - (EDT: Oops, scratch that - the little bitch erased it, and reverted back to his standard "Nuh-uh, you lie" defense, but I saved it), he had to deliberately avoid addressing the two associated questions - when he had ever held Bush accountable for anything, or even aknowledge his part of the debt. You are a remarkable coward, Rappy. *Note to everyone*: Anthony is spot-on. Pay no heed to Rappy's pleas for pity.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Of course you see it that way. You're a Republican, after all, a big believer in "personal responsibility" - except when it comes to your lord and messiah, your dear leader...
Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:19 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: It's amazing to me how so many "adults" on the Left intentionally and purposefully distort the definition of a " lie " . Hell, that's something a child should understand, and yet we have grown men and women who still insist that , because someone said something which is in accurate, that it is a " lie " . Unfrakingbelievable! kwickie, your critical remarks were only 1 line, after the usual mindless vitriol and derogatory comments made, which have zero to do w/ the thread topic. You CONSTANTLY do that sort of thing, so it's completely understandable how anyone may have missed them. Which is what I did. I admitted that much, and yet you and the other children still carry on w/ this 'lie' bullshit. Grow the fuck up, already. * Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe. " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall "The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:04 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: It's amazing to me how so many "adults" on the Left intentionally and purposefully distort the definition of a " lie " . Hell, that's something a child should understand, and yet we have grown men and women who still insist that , because someone said something which is in accurate, that it is a " lie " . Unfrakingbelievable! kwickie, your critical remarks were only 1 line, after the usual mindless vitriol and derogatory comments made, which have zero to do w/ the thread topic. You CONSTANTLY do that sort of thing, so it's completely understandable how anyone may have missed them. Which is what I did. I admitted that much, and yet you and the other children still carry on w/ this 'lie' bullshit. Grow the fuck up, already.
Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:17 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:He says no more going to Vegas on the tax payer's dime, and then does exactly that, mindlessly spending in the most inane, senseless and frivolous manner, and you're perfectly o.k. with that?
Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:33 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: kwickie, your critical remarks were only 1 line, after the usual mindless vitriol and derogatory comments made, which have zero to do w/ the thread topic. You CONSTANTLY do that sort of thing, so it's completely understandable how anyone may have missed them. Which is what I did. I admitted that much, and yet you and the other children still carry on w/ this 'lie' bullshit.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Heck, if they're not careful, in a few hundred years they'll have spent almost as much taxpayer money as we give the oil industry every year! $20,000,000,000.00 will throw one hell of a party on the taxpayer dime! Stupid move, and it cost her her job, as it damned well should. Should probably clean house at that agency.
Thursday, April 5, 2012 7:27 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:13 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2012 11:32 AM
Thursday, April 5, 2012 11:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So Rappy is claiming that in all that vitriol, he "missed" one line. Out of a grand total of four sentences, he completely missed two of them. Reading comprehension fail complete! Rappy also insists that I will never criticize "a black man". He's wrong, of course, and he knows it. He knows it quite well, in fact, because he has repeatedly called me a racist for criticizing Herman Cain's policies. I'll criticize a black man, sure. I just won't criticize him solely for being black! That's the big difference between us, Rap. So Rappy's default position is that if he says something that's wrong, and he KNOWS it's wrong when he says it, and he keeps repeating it anyway, it's somehow not a "lie", for some unknown reason, or simply because Rappy was the one saying it, whereas if anyone else had said it - especially someone on "the Left" (Always capitalized. Always. Never Forget™) - it would be denounced quickly and loudly as "a lie".
Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: This from a person who will lie, outright ignore facts, and twist logic until it painfully gives up just to support his world view.
Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts. I see you've started lying to yourself now, like Anthony. Lying to others isn't enough for ya, I see.
Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So Rappy is claiming that in all that vitriol, he "missed" one line. Out of a grand total of four sentences, he completely missed two of them. Reading comprehension fail complete! Rappy also insists that I will never criticize "a black man". He's wrong, of course, and he knows it. He knows it quite well, in fact, because he has repeatedly called me a racist for criticizing Herman Cain's policies. I'll criticize a black man, sure. I just won't criticize him solely for being black! That's the big difference between us, Rap. So Rappy's default position is that if he says something that's wrong, and he KNOWS it's wrong when he says it, and he keeps repeating it anyway, it's somehow not a "lie", for some unknown reason, or simply because Rappy was the one saying it, whereas if anyone else had said it - especially someone on "the Left" (Always capitalized. Always. Never Forget™) - it would be denounced quickly and loudly as "a lie". Wow Kwicko, self esteem issues or what?
Thursday, April 5, 2012 6:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Hilarious, coming from someone who refers to himself as a "big damn nobody".
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Desperation, or what?
Friday, April 6, 2012 5:37 AM
Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:13 PM
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Sunday, April 8, 2012 7:41 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, April 9, 2012 2:49 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has spent about $17,000 to reimburse the Treasury for frequent travel to his California home, trips that cost the government some $860,000 because he is required to fly in military jets, the Pentagon said on Thursday. Panetta has paid about $630 per roundtrip flight to his northern California home as required by longstanding government guidelines that set reimbursement rates at the price of a full-fare coach trip. The plane Panetta generally takes costs about $3,200 a flight hour to operate, or about $32,000 for the 10-hour roundtrip flight, the Pentagon said. The cost of Panetta's travel is a sensitive issue because he is overseeing $487 billion in cuts to the defense budget over the next decade as required by a law passed by Congress last year that is aimed at controlling the federal budget deficit. While Panetta's travel is a tiny fraction of the Defense Department's half-trillion budget, the expense comes at a time when some sectors of the Pentagon are facing cuts and some retired veterans are being asked to contribute more to the cost of their healthcare. "No one understands the budget pressures on the Pentagon better than Secretary Panetta, who is responsible for identifying nearly $1 billion per week in defense cuts — or roughly $140 million per day — over the next 10 years," Pentagon press secretary George Little said. Officials noted that Panetta is required to travel by military aircraft for purposes of security and to have access to secure communications, a practice instituted by the George W. Bush administration in 2001. "No one wants the secretary of defense making decisions on classified military operations from the middle seat on a crowded JetBlue flight," a senior defense official said. "The secretary asked for guidance on the use of government aircraft from the DoD (Department of Defense) general counsel soon after taking office. He has followed that guidance to the letter," the official said. Since taking office last year, Panetta has made 27 trips to California, generally around the weekend. That's more frequently than the travel home by his predecessors, Robert Gates and Donald Rumsfeld. "He returns to California because that's where his family lives. It is his home," Little said, adding that spending time away from Washington "helps him focus on the job and recharge." Panetta also works while in California or in flight.
Monday, April 9, 2012 12:38 PM
Monday, April 9, 2012 12:48 PM
Monday, April 9, 2012 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Speaking of spending... Quote: Officials noted that Panetta is required to travel by military aircraft for purposes of security and to have access to secure communications, a practice instituted by the George W. Bush administration in 2001.
Quote: Officials noted that Panetta is required to travel by military aircraft for purposes of security and to have access to secure communications, a practice instituted by the George W. Bush administration in 2001.
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