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Republicans secret meeting on Inauguration Day

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


A new book reveals that Republicans held secret meeting deciding to obstruct EVERYTHING President Obama tried to do the DAY he was inaugurated. By a show of hands who did not already suspect that?
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Democrats have rounded on revelations about a private dinner of House Republicans on inauguration day in 2009 in which they plotted a campaign of obstruction against newly installed president Barack Obama.

During a lengthy discussion, the senior GOP members worked out a plan to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected.

The disclosures – described as "appalling and sad" by Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod – undermine Republican claims that the president alone is to blame for the partisan deadlock in Washington.

A detailed account of who was present at the dinner on that January 20 night and the plan they worked out to bring down Obama is provided by Robert Draper in 'Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the US House of Representatives', published this week.

In his book, Draper opens with the heady atmosphere in Washington on the days running up to the inauguration and the day itself, which attracted 1.8 million to the mall to witness Obama being sworn in as America's first black president.

Those numbers contributed to a growing sense of unease among Republicans as much the defeat in the White House race the previous November. The 15 Republicans were in a sombre mood as they gathered at the Caucus Room in Washington, an upscale restaurant where a New York strip steak costs $51.

Attending the dinner were House members Eric Cantor, Jeb Hensarling, Pete Hoekstra, Dan Lungren, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan and Pete Sessions. From the Senate were Tom Coburn, Bob Corker, Jim DeMint, John Ensign and Jon Kyl. Others present were former House Speaker and future – and failed – presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and the Republican strategist Frank Luntz, who organised the dinner and sent out the invitations.

The dinner table was set in a square at Luntz's request so everyone could see one another and talk freely. The session lasted four hours and by the end the sombre mood had lifted: they had conceived a plan. They would take back the House in November 2010, which they did, and use it as a spear to mortally wound Obama in 2011 and take back the Senate and White House in 2012, Draper writes.

"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," said Keven McCarthy, quoted by Draper. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."

The Republicans have done that, bringing Washington to a near standstill several times during Obama's first term over debt and other issues.

What a surprise (not)! Next time any of our righties tries to say they weren't the "Party of No"--or maybe they won't, given the facts are out, maybe they'll just defend the planned obstructionism. I remember how long I resisted believing this was their plan. But these revelations are the first time we have actual evidence for the American people to see that the GOP has put country last and party first, and tried to grind the entire country to a halt (which they did). Keep in mind this night was during a month where 800,000 jobs were lost and the economy was about to go off a cliff. They were plotting from the very beginning, literally, on how to make sure that Obama would not succeed in making things better for Americans - not because they disagreed with him - but because they wanted power. After these revelations I don't see how people can, in good conscience, support this party. But of course, they will.

Here it comes...

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:54 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Wow.

All those Republican Representatives and Senators and strategists in a HUGE secret meeting. Must have hired a big hall for the hundreds of folks who showed up.


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Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


How absurdly irrelevant. That has "jack and/or shit" (I love that!) to do with the issue, and is a truly feeble. Makes me not only disrespect your attitudes, but disrespect your intellect as well.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:29 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
How absurdly irrelevant. That has "jack and/or shit" (I love that!) to do with the issue, and is a truly feeble. Makes me not only disrespect your attitudes, but disrespect your intellect as well.



Seven Representatives (Four with less than 10 years senority at the time)
Five Senators (Three in their first terms at the time)
A couple of strategists

This is "Senior GOP members" holding a "secret" meeting?

Sounds more like folks going to dinner and talking.

Oh. I forgot about the tables being set in a square "so everyone could see one other and talk freely". Obviously Republicans shouldn't be allowed to talk freely.

Don't you think some Democrats gathered after the 2010 Congressional elections to bemoan their losses and talk strategy? Don't you think they decided to oppose Republican legislation? Don't you think they decided to oppose Republican campaigns? Why no moaning about those "secret" meetings?

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Well, for 2 years, when the Dems held both houses, Obama got a bunch of b.s. through anyways.

Glad they stuck to their guns, I suppose. 2010, coming off the TEA party rallies, was a nice start, but did the GOP learn anything from it ?

I'm skeptical.

We need more TEA party rallies. A LOT more.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:48 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I do not believe for one minute that Democrats decided at any meeting to obstruct EVERY SINGLE THING any Republican President proposed, even if it was for the good of the country or the American people, just for the sake of bringing that President down. I don't believe that has ever happened before; if you can give me any example of it having happened, that might be interesting. I don't think you can.

Given even I didn't believe it for over two years and finally was reluctantly forced to acknowledge it MIGHT be true (didn't want to believe it even then); I don't think tit for tat works in this case.

Yeah, sure Raptor; a bunch of politicians who got elected on the fear of the American people, and on their promises they would create jobs, who then proceeded to do NOT A THING about jobs except to KILL them and instead focused entirely on abortion, immigration, killing unions and putting more people out of work. We sure need lots more of those, you betcha.



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Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Niki, you think what you want, but the Dems did nearly the exact same thing,regarding the war on terror, after it started.

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Yeah, sure Raptor; a bunch of politicians who got elected on the fear of the American people, and on their promises they would create jobs, who then proceeded to do NOT A THING about jobs except to KILL them and instead focused entirely on abortion, immigration, killing unions and putting more people out of work. We sure need lots more of those, you betcha.



There was no 'fear' of the American people, Niki. There was anger and frustration from Americans, and rightfully so, over the deaf ear by politicians in D.C. were ignoring what Americans wanted. Both Dems and Republicans. Those in the GOP who were voted in from the '10 election were sent there to fix the problems. And while Obama is in the WH and the Dems control the Senate, the best the GOP could do , to save this country, is to obstruct the devastating , nation collapsing policies of Obama and Reid.

" Killing unions" ? You're flat out delusional. Obama gave unions preferential treatment w/ regards to GM, and his labor dept filing suit against Boeing. Immigration is an absolute real issue, and the USSC is going to slap down Obama and his petulant , arrogant law suit against Arizona.

Obama's policies, not the GOP, are what's keeping unemployment high. I only hope the American public can see through the MSM BS and vote Obama the hell out of office.




" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:22 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
I do not believe for one minute that Democrats decided at any meeting to obstruct EVERY SINGLE THING any Republican President proposed, even if it was for the good of the country or the American people, just for the sake of bringing that President down.



Yet you apparently believe that seven Republican Representatives and five Republican Senators, very few of them with any seniority, had one four-hour "secret" meeting, including dinner, and molded the course of not only Republican, but national politics for the last four years. You must consider them pretty clever guys.

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Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's either "this way" or "that way"....

Meh...

The only time our personal liberties are the most secure is when our President is the opposing party as our Congress, and that's how I vote, accordingly.

When we get Mitt into the President's Chair (which is an inevatibility now), I will vote for Dems in the congress in 2014.

The MOST damage done to all of us since 2000 was when Bush Jr had a Rethug majority congress and when Barry had a Demonocrat majority.





Keep piddling about your BS issues and towing the party lines people... It's the quickest way to the 3rd world nation they seem to be wanting us to become on both "sides".





Our Government serves the People best when they don't change a thing and when they spend 2 years in deadlock fighting each other.



They're there to work, full time, making more laws to restrict how you live.... both sides....


I, for one, relish the times when an "X" President is constantly fighting a "Y" Congress. Nothing changes....

All I'm saying is that in the last 20 years that I've understood politics, and learning every day, that things have only progressively gotten worse with every new regulation and new government agency.

The impotent man's (woman's) only weapon in their arsenal is to keep them fighting each other.

We can only keep that up for so long though.

I look forward to the day we call each other "comrade" and I'll know how to sniff you ratting bastards out from the true patriots who can take this country back.

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Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:50 AM

HERO


I've heard this story before. Didn't thes guys all get into an SR-71 and fly to Iran with George Bush to arrange for the hostages to get released after Reagan was sworn in?

Also I note for the record that a cabal of leftist intrest groups all joined together in Jan of 2001 to plot the defeat of President Bush in 2004. They called their evil organization bent on national domination...The Democraric Party.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:04 AM

WHOZIT


You sure have alot details for a "SECRET" meeting, where did you get this info, a Columbian Hooker?

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Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I do not believe for one minute that Democrats decided at any meeting to obstruct EVERY SINGLE THING any Republican President proposed, even if it was for the good of the country or the American people, just for the sake of bringing that President down.



Yet you apparently believe that seven Republican Representatives and five Republican Senators, very few of them with any seniority, had one four-hour "secret" meeting, including dinner, and molded the course of not only Republican, but national politics for the last four years. You must consider them pretty clever guys.




I probably give them less credit for setting their party's entire agenda than some here give "Obama's anti-bullying czar"...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I probably give them less credit for setting their party's entire agenda than some here give "Obama's anti-bullying czar"...



That doesn't even make any sense. Dan Savage is truly colossal a-hole, and a whiney, arrogant, petulant brat. He said what he said, no matter how much you want to try to dismiss it or deny that he has strong ties w/ this administration.

But, as always, you'll toss up any and all distractions, while ignoring the actual, real points of discussion.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I was going to ignore this long pile of shit, but I got to giggling at
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Yet you apparently believe that seven Republican Representatives and five Republican Senators, very few of them with any seniority, had one four-hour "secret" meeting, including dinner, and molded the course of not only Republican, but national politics for the last four years. You must consider them pretty clever guys.
For one thing, I never said Republicans weren't damned clever at manipulation in order to further their agenda, in fact I've said the opposite. But HOW they use that cleverness:
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"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," Draper quotes McCarthy as saying. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."
Challenge on every single bill; screw whether it's good for the country, we gotta defeat EVERYTHING, so we can get power next time around. Yeah, I really respect that kind of cleverness. Talk about "ignoring what Americans wanted". The American people wanted HELP, and jobs, neither of which they had a snowball's chance in hell of getting from these guys!

Oh, and by the way, yeah, the American people were angry and frustrated--at the mess the Bush and his neocon buddies got us into and how slow Obama's efforts to get us out were, largely thanx to the very obstructionism they DECIDED to engage in. And don't you kid me about fear; fear of losing their jobs, their homes, their ability to get their kids an education, etc., is bound to make people turn to those who promise jobs--only they didn't, did they? They killed jobs, they stopped jobs from being created, and all they did was work to enhance the already-enormous wealth of the ultra-rich, protect the monied interests of Wall Street and corporations, and focus almost entirely on such "important" issues as abortion and contraception--oh, and helped ALEC put in laws to minimize the ability of Americans to vote. "Obstruct and destruct", and damn, they did a great job!

As for "very few of them with any seniority"--screw seniority, let's talk about POWER: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (who wrote their infamous budget and who 79% of Republicans preferred as their nominee in last year's poll); NRCC Chairman Pete Sessions; John Kyle (#2 Republican in the Chamber); Jeb Hensarling, Chairman of the House Republican Conference in the 112th Congress (and whose nickname around Congress is "budget nanny"); Tom Coburn (whose nickname is "Dr. No"); Pete Hokstra, top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee; Tea-Party-extremist-before-there-was-even-a-Tea-Party Dan Lungren; Jim DeMint, founder and chairman of the Senate Conservatives Fund and, until two days ago, head of the Senate Republican Steering Committe (a group that shapes conservative policy making on Capitol Hill); Bob Corker (member of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee), and of course good old Frank Luntz (Republican Party Wordsmith and Strategist who's been called "The Nostradamus of pollsters").

Yup, just a bunch of little guys with no power, surely they couldn't have set the agenda for the whole GOP! But they did, you see, and definitely helped mold the course for national politics. They're some of (if not THE) most powerful Republicans in Congress and the Senate, some with especially strong ties to the Tea Party, of whom it's been said that:
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the relationship House Republican leaders have with the Tea Party freshmen who swept into office during the midterm elections; the 87 new members of the House constitute more than a third of the 239-member Republican caucus and are the reason the GOP now controls the House. Nearly 40 percent of them are self-styled 'citizen politicians' who have never held office and who rode into Washington on the Tea Party wave. They ... constitute the most formidable power bloc on Capitol Hill.
Yeah, little buncha nobodies with no power whatsoever...makes me giggle...

Amazing, aren't our little right-wing "buddies"? Their responses are moronic for the most part, deliberately blind partisan idiocy for the rest. Obviously not worth bothering with further.



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Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The fact that this group of Republicans can stick together on damn near everything this admin has done, and draw over so many Democrats is telling.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I probably give them less credit for setting their party's entire agenda than some here give "Obama's anti-bullying czar"...



That doesn't even make any sense. Dan Savage is truly colossal a-hole, and a whiney, arrogant, petulant brat. He said what he said, no matter how much you want to try to dismiss it or deny that he has strong ties w/ this administration.




Yet you are unwilling or unable to define those "strong ties", no matter how many times you're questioned on them.

So I'll ask again, exactly what government position does Dan Savage hold?


Is being an asshole or a whiney, arrogant, petulant brat illegal? If so, you'd better set up a legal defense fund for your tea-bagging buddies, because from what I've seen, the overwhelming majority of them qualify.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, April 30, 2012 3:16 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Challenge on every single bill; screw whether it's good for the country, we gotta defeat EVERYTHING, so we can get power next time around. Yeah, I really respect that kind of cleverness. Talk about "ignoring what Americans wanted". The American people wanted HELP, and jobs, neither of which they had a snowball's chance in hell of getting from these guys!



As noted, 15 people. Seven Representatives. Five Senators. Few with any seniority. This is the entire Republican Party?

So any time a handful of Democrats get together, is that also a "Secret" meeting? Are they speaking for ALL Democrats?

Politicians of all stripes have SECRET meetings all the time, to plan strategy and just discuss what's going on. I guess if you want to see PN-like evil cabals in such meetings, that's your right.

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Monday, April 30, 2012 3:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Amazing, aren't our little right-wing "buddies"? Their responses are moronic for the most part, deliberately blind partisan idiocy for the rest. Obviously not worth bothering with further.



As I recall, you came here from another forum because folks there were insulting you. Glad you're more comfortable here.

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Monday, April 30, 2012 5:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Keep trying the "15 people". I'm sure it works for you; it doesn't for much of anyone else. Gawd forbid you should admit "15 of the most powerful people in the Congress". Yes, a small group of the most powerful people DO decide the direction of the party and, especially with Republicans, everyone falls in line and does what they want. That's how politics works.

As to "insults", that's a laugh. Gawd also forbid you should ever admit that you insult me regularly, but that's okay. As to the other site, first of all the group of power over THERE (and they are, everyone else admits it) go after anyone who disagees with them in the most vicious way possible (think Kane squared); they act as a coordinated group and few survive down there; they are, if you can imagine it, even crazier than you guys here.

Most importantly, I didn't leave because I was insulted or picked on--tho' it was the first website I'd ever been on that was so nasty, and was a wonderful teaching lesson to prepare me for here... I left because they took it outside the forum; they tracked down the website I ran and quoted people from there (causing me to close the site to outsiders) and they "created" a poster who said they'd known me from another forum and bad mouthed me. I bothered to look up the site they supposedly "knew" me from (which I'd never been on), and the name they'd used was one letter off that of the person who RUNS the site! I e-mailed her, and she said she'd never heard of me, them or the website. I checked it out, and the handle of the person they'd created had joined the day before (my first experience with sockpuppets). I couldn't prove they were lying, and tho' they can't actually harm me, they had harmed a website I work hard to keep safe for those who are there. So I left.

Had it just be insults, no matter how nasty, I'd still be there, which I know would please you. Sadly for you, I'm here, and if anyone tries something like that again, they won't get away with it because I explained all this when I first arrived. A couple of them are here, too, and followed me, trying to poison this site too, but the people here saw through it and welcomed me, for which I will always be grateful. THAT's why I'm here; and there's nothing you can do to me. If they couldn't drive me of with mere insults, and having been attacked here by Kane in the most vicious way possible, you haven't got a chance.



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Tuesday, May 1, 2012 6:21 PM

OONJERAH



Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem =>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republican
s-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html


Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting
that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Commu-
nist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side
of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out
of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete
lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party
figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme
remarks and views are now taken for granted. ...



. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.


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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Keep trying the "15 people". I'm sure it works for you; it doesn't for much of anyone else. Gawd forbid you should admit "15 of the most powerful people in the Congress".



Give the "15 most powerful people in the Congress" a rest.

At the time of the meeting, four of the seven Representatives had less than 10 years seniority, three of the five Senators were in their first term (and one is now gone), and the other three folks weren't in Congress at all.

What you're really complaining about is the inability of the Democratic Party, with a President in the White House and majorities in both houses in January 2009, to perform well enough to keep these relative congressional rookies from gaining positions of power.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:52 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem =>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republican
s-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html


Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting
that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Commu-
nist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side
of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out
of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete
lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party
figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme
remarks and views are now taken for granted. ...



I'll see your Allen West and raise you a Cynthia McKinney.

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Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Cynthia WAS the cutest little communist in Congress, as Neal Boortz loved to say.

I believe she even went down to Cuba once, and worked in the sugar cane fields for Castro. She does love her some communism.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oonj, I agree. Especially with "It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme
remarks and views are now taken for granted". It's gotten to such an amazing degree it feels surreal.

The article you linked is spot on, in my opinion, and deserves to be quoted further:
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We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.

It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.

The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base. Since the Clinton presidency, it has hewed to the center-left on issues from welfare reform to fiscal policy. While the Democrats may have moved from their 40-yard line to their 25, the Republicans have gone from their 40 to somewhere behind their goal post.

What happened? Of course, there were larger forces at work beyond the realignment of the South. They included the mobilization of social conservatives after the 1973Roe v. Wade decision, the anti-tax movement launched in 1978 by California’s Proposition 13, the rise of conservative talk radio after a congressional pay raise in 1989, and the emergence of Fox News and right-wing blogs.

From the day he entered Congress in 1979, Gingrich had a strategy to create a Republican majority in the House: convincing voters that the institution was so corrupt that anyone would be better than the incumbents, especially those in the Democratic majority. It took him 16 years, but by bringing ethics charges against Democratic leaders; provoking them into overreactions that enraged Republicans and united them to vote against Democratic initiatives; exploiting scandals to create even more public disgust with politicians; and then recruiting GOP candidates around the country to run against Washington, Democrats and Congress, Gingrich accomplished his goal.

Ironically, after becoming speaker, Gingrich wanted to enhance Congress’s reputation and was content to compromise with President Bill Clinton when it served his interests. But the forces Gingrich unleashed destroyed whatever comity existed across party lines, activated an extreme and virulently anti-Washington base — most recently represented by tea party activists — and helped drive moderate Republicans out of Congress.

Grover Norquist, meanwhile, founded Americans for Tax Reform in 1985 and rolled out his Taxpayer Protection Pledge the following year. The pledge, which binds its signers to never support a tax increase (that includes closing tax loopholes), had been signed as of last year by 238 of the 242 House Republicans and 41 of the 47 GOP senators, according to ATR. The Norquist tax pledge has led to other pledges, on issues such as climate change, that create additional litmus tests that box in moderates and make cross-party coalitions nearly impossible. For Republicans concerned about a primary challenge from the right, the failure to sign such pledges is simply too risky.

Today, thanks to the GOP, compromise has gone out the window in Washington. In the first two years of the Obama administration, nearly every presidential initiative met with vehement, rancorous and unanimous Republican opposition in the House and the Senate, followed by efforts to delegitimize the results and repeal the policies. The filibuster, once relegated to a handful of major national issues in a given Congress, became a routine weapon of obstruction, applied even to widely supported bills or presidential nominations. And Republicans in the Senate have abused the confirmation process to block any and every nominee to posts such as the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, solely to keep laws that were legitimately enacted from being implemented.

The article goes on, but you have to sign up to read the rest, and I don't sign up for things, as it always results in spam e-mails, etc.

Nonetheless, what I did read of it is absolutely right on and, in my opinion, an undeniable dissection of how we've gotten where we are today.

Seniority, by the way, or length of time in Congress, has nothing to do with POWER. Those who met to decide on obstructing anything and everything represented the power, as is obvious by the fact that the rest of Congress fell in line, even when they recognized the need to compromise and had done so in the past, and even when they knew what they were obstructing was a good thing. The decision had been made, and they followed their leaders, even against their own consciences. The result brought us to where we are today.



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Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:32 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I don't like conspiratorial sabotage planning. If I were in congress I'd take each bill on its own merrit without basing my opinion solely on who put it forth, though what they might be sneakily trying to do and the consideration thereof could influence how I vote a little, since we all have agendas. But for the most part I'd look at the bill on its own. Thing is I'd get worn out after one day in there, those bills are worded so weirdly so the everyman can't really follow them. At least not this everyman.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I'm w/ you Riona, on looking at bills on their merit alone. I think most Americans would like to see Congress work like that, but we both know that's not how D.C.works. Sadly.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cynthia WAS the cutest little communist in Congress, as Neal Boortz loved to say.

I believe she even went down to Cuba once, and worked in the sugar cane fields for Castro. She does love her some communism.





As much as Dubya loves Islamic fundamentalism?

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Friday, May 4, 2012 2:26 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Seniority, by the way, or length of time in Congress, has nothing to do with POWER.




Sure, Niki.

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Friday, May 4, 2012 4:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Raptor; as you said, and sadly too, I agree.



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Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:14 AM

FIREFLYFANSFIR1


Mo. the Democrats were never this pitiful.

I know everything!

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:26 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I imagine that both political parties are constantly having meetings about how to lay low the opposition. This revelation feels less like news and more like the inevitability of our political environment.

I would be more shocked if a handful of people from a political party held a secret meeting where they discussed how best to serve the American people.

--Anthony




Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
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Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Me, too, Anthony, and I don't doubt there have been meetings. But I doubt there were ever meetings such as this one; where the power people in one party got together on inauguration day and decided that their entire party would do nothing but obstruct the President and his party on literally everything that came to the table, with no exceptions, and then the country saw clearly the result of such decision for the next four years. That's why I put it up. I think it's pretty unprecedented. I could be wrong, but I don't see evidence of it in any, at least recent, administrations.


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Saturday, May 19, 2012 6:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
I would be more shocked if a handful of people from a political party held a secret meeting where they discussed how best to serve the American people.


Well, I dunno that one might consider CoTL a "political" party, although youth rights is kinda politics, maybe.

I wonder though if Youssef (local politician, really decent guy, oddly enough) might play along with one for the sake of the joke - he was terribly amused when I got a little mad at him and brought him a pie a while back, told him I thought throwing the damn things was kind of a waste and maybe we should share it instead, besides, all the crap he's taken for his ancestry and alleged beliefs, it'd be a slap in the face to them who thought he wasn't "american" enough for em.

Was damn good pie, too.

-Frem

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's either "this way" or "that way"....

Meh...

The only time our personal liberties are the most secure is when our President is the opposing party as our Congress, and that's how I vote, accordingly.

When we get Mitt into the President's Chair (which is an inevatibility now), I will vote for Dems in the congress in 2014.

The MOST damage done to all of us since 2000 was when Bush Jr had a Rethug majority congress and when Barry had a Demonocrat majority.





Keep piddling about your BS issues and towing the party lines people... It's the quickest way to the 3rd world nation they seem to be wanting us to become on both "sides".





Our Government serves the People best when they don't change a thing and when they spend 2 years in deadlock fighting each other.



They're there to work, full time, making more laws to restrict how you live.... both sides....


I, for one, relish the times when an "X" President is constantly fighting a "Y" Congress. Nothing changes....

All I'm saying is that in the last 20 years that I've understood politics, and learning every day, that things have only progressively gotten worse with every new regulation and new government agency.

The impotent man's (woman's) only weapon in their arsenal is to keep them fighting each other.

We can only keep that up for so long though.

I look forward to the day we call each other "comrade" and I'll know how to sniff you ratting bastards out from the true patriots who can take this country back.




Bump for Jack.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Why? I'm sure he's tickled pink that the Republicans planned from the very start to do nothing except oppose anything Obama or the Dems proposed.

The logic of which escapes me, by the way. If the government had done "nothing", women still couldn't vote (which he'd probably love, too), Black people would still be counted as 3/5ths of a person--and still slaves--businesses could gleefully spout toxic EVERYTHING in every direction, and gazillion other things. Sure, they get carried away and some of it is bullshit, but do nothing at all? --well, but then, that's nothing new, is it?

We've seen the results of government "doing nothing" since Obama was elected. Downgrading of our credit rating, massive gridlock over raising the debt ceiling, healthcare STILL not dealt with because the half measures the Dems were forced to accept benefit the insurance companies more than anyone (which now has turned into the lovely right-wing talking point that "Obama had a majority and didn't do anything...good for a laugh), and fights over every damned thing. Yeah, that's what we pay them for, good boys.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Exactly, Niki - Just like when "Obama did nothing" about immigration, after the Republicans filibustered the Dream Act in the Senate.

Still they bleat on about the flood of illegals coming from Mexico, despite the fact that net immigration from Mexico is zero (illegal immigrants down, deportations up), despite the fact that Asians are now the number one immigrant group.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Why? I'm sure he's tickled pink that the Republicans planned from the very start to do nothing except oppose anything Obama or the Dems proposed.

The logic of which escapes me, by the way. If the government had done "nothing", women still couldn't vote (which he'd probably love, too), Black people would still be counted as 3/5ths of a person--and still slaves--businesses could gleefully spout toxic EVERYTHING in every direction, and gazillion other things. Sure, they get carried away and some of it is bullshit, but do nothing at all? --well, but then, that's nothing new, is it?

We've seen the results of government "doing nothing" since Obama was elected. Downgrading of our credit rating, massive gridlock over raising the debt ceiling, healthcare STILL not dealt with because the half measures the Dems were forced to accept benefit the insurance companies more than anyone (which now has turned into the lovely right-wing talking point that "Obama had a majority and didn't do anything...good for a laugh), and fights over every damned thing. Yeah, that's what we pay them for, good boys.

]


The funniest thing about all of this slander against me today is that it's coming from the exact opposite people it was coming from when GWB was president. I can't fault, mainly you and Kwick, for that though since you weren't even here back when I posted regularly before though.

Auraptor and a few others on the "right" side had a lot of words against my views back then too. If you haven't noticed by now, there's never been a single post of solidarity between the two of us the entire time I've posted here.

I have nothing against him, and he probably doesn't have anything against me either, but we've got enough of a history that even if we see eye to eye on something we're not going to give each other handys for it. Really, if you look back, since I've started posting again, we've probably had ZERO interaction with each other on any single thread. The only reason we don't is because largely, I'm no longer posting things that he disagrees with.

I'm just saying that because somebody doesn't agree with your mentality, that doesn't automatically make them a Republican. I sure as hell don't classify myself as a Republican.

Kind of like today, when I post about things we can generally agree on, I don't hear anything from either of you. It's only when I post about things that I do agree with Righties about that you tear into me, throw feces at me and label me.

Unfortunately for our friendships, we live under an administration that ensures that most of our conversations until early 2013 will continue this way.

I look forward to being here with you both in 2013 and beyond, and we will be much more aligned in our answers to the relevant posts when Romney is President. I'm really looking forward to it, because you two are absolutely vicious in your posts. You're very mean spirited and hateful. As frustrated as I was with the "other side" when I was Bush Bashing, I never really felt hurt like I do after reading your posts.

Whatever....

Here's looking forward to making sure Romney's only a 1 term President.


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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

The funniest thing about all of this slander against me today is that it's coming from the exact opposite people it was coming from when GWB was president. I can't fault, mainly you and Kwick, for that though since you weren't even here back when I posted regularly before though.




Is that another one of those things you just "know", Jack, without any need for facts?

I've been here longer than you have, unless you were using one of your other names prior to 2006. ;)




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

The funniest thing about all of this slander against me today is that it's coming from the exact opposite people it was coming from when GWB was president. I can't fault, mainly you and Kwick, for that though since you weren't even here back when I posted regularly before though.




Is that another one of those things you just "know", Jack, without any need for facts?

I've been here longer than you have, unless you were using one of your other names prior to 2006. ;)




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy




Hmmmmm.... It's possible then Kwick....

Maybe we were here at the same time?

Maybe you remember me? I don't remember you, no offence.....

Maybe that proves my point though.....

Back in 2006, whatever we were posting in the RWED was "like minded" at that time.

No need for "handys" or shout outs to each other. I've been around since 2005 or 2006 myself......



The only person here who NEVER "liked" me in the RWED is PhoenixRose, although we got along stellarly in the GD before I found this horrible place. But I'll never say anything bad to her or against her. She did me a MAJOR solid 5 or so years back and I'm eternally in her debt for that. She might not even remember what I'm talking about though. But I'll always remember.

(And if she suddenly remembers now after reading this post and realizes why, I hope she appreciates my candor, and what I hope remains our own private joke. )

PR is good people.

I don't think she'd ever call me a friend although I'd be honored to call her my friend....

If you're ever in need of a "stand-up-girl", well.... let's just say that I've known "friends" in my real life that were turncoats for a payout, and PR is anything but that.

Friend to the end, baby.... friend to the end....


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