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ObamaCare Upheld!
Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:26 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:31 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:42 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:08 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:09 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:18 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Hello, How will this impact those various states who have had votes to nullify participation in the program?
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: How can you pay a fine if you can't afford the insurance?
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:23 AM
HERO
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: It's very difficult, but it means insurance for millions of poor, little change to millions of rich and no insurance for the middle class who also face diminished job prospects and much higher taxes.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:41 AM
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:48 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:"I have a vision that if the Affordable Care Act takes place, twenty years from now in a town hall someone will rise and say, 'Keep the government's hands off my Affordable Care Act!' "
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/06/Supreme-Court-rules-on-Obama-health-care-plan-718037/1#.T-xoJJNPaME
Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: How can you pay a fine if you can't afford the insurance? If you can't afford the insurance with the provided subsities you will most likley be eligable for Medicaid.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: They're not final because they're infallible; they're infallible because they're final.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: It's very difficult, but it means insurance for millions of poor, little change to millions of rich and no insurance for the middle class who also face diminished job prospects and much higher taxes. Very sad. H Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: John Roberts explained it pretty much the way I did a couple years ago: It's in the tax code as a fee, or a deduction you don't get to take if you don't have health insurance. Do homeowners get to take some deductions that renters aren't qualified for? Of course they do. I've yet to hear anyone here argue that such provisions mean the government is taxing renters, or forcing everyone to buy a home whether they want one or not.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:13 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: I definitely need to read more on this... from this description it sounds like if I can afford health ins. and have it, I get a deduction, but if I can't afford it I end up paying (in effect) more - that seems backwards. Also, not everyone needs to own a house, but everyone needs health care - so I don't think that analogy works. Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:22 AM
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: If I'm not dead by 45 then I'll have failed in this life utterly, and will wander out into the wilderness in shame.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:26 AM
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:28 AM
Quote: no insurance for the middle class
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:29 AM
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez:I think that newly expanded Medicaid is not so solid now. I don't think it's gone, but it can't be taken away from states who reject other parts of the ACA or something... Sorry, haven't read it in full. Anyone know?
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:the deduction isn't enforceable anyway, so in reality if people figure it out, they DON'T have to buy health insurance.
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: Fuck 50. Honestly, fuck 27. I only said 45 because that would be mortifying, but frankly it's embarrassing enough as it is I've lived this long.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: People who make less would have to pay a smaller slice of their income for coverage. For instance, individuals who make about $14,000, and four-person families with incomes of about $29,000, would not have to pay more than 3 to 4 percent of their incomes for insurance.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/06/Supreme-Court-rules-on-Obama-health-care-plan-718037/1#.T-xoJJNPaME After reading about this, it's all a "sky is falling" scenario.... Nothing is set in stone. It's likely to get knocked down still. Enjoy the free healthcare off of my dime while you can... Oh... I forgot... you already were....
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: Fuck 50. Honestly, fuck 27. I only said 45 because that would be mortifying, but frankly it's embarrassing enough as it is I've lived this long. Hehe... I say the same at going on 33.... This is a planet for young people..... When the Disney Channel has lost all attention from you, it's time to put an axe in your head, I say.... The only ones older than that are wrinkly and carmodugdendly... Fuck old people...... including us.... Especially Niki. Anyone who lived through the Civil War and wears bloomers as sexy apparel today is a relic that has oulived their purpose.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: People who make less would have to pay a smaller slice of their income for coverage. For instance, individuals who make about $14,000, and four-person families with incomes of about $29,000, would not have to pay more than 3 to 4 percent of their incomes for insurance. Thx M4P. 3 to 4 percent sounds like just a little bit, but if you only make $14K, minus taxes, minus car insurance, minus food and essentials, it's a sh*t load, $560 at 4% - they can't afford that. It still seems like punishment - plus knowing that this will most likely be a boon for the already wealthy insurance companies... I can't believe this. Yep.... for the poor and next to poor it's horrible... Forgive my abrupt disppearance,but I'm going to leave and masturbate and meditate on this now..... My property insurance was just increased 11 percent this year for no reason, why not pay for foreigner's health care when I haven't seen a doctor in over 7 years, right? RWED sucks.... What I'm going to spend 20 minutes in now is so much better than the REAL RWED.... Thank God I'm not married! Do this whenever I want..... Please the John-son! A monster.... Not no, white boy or asian boy pinky clitty... Fuck politics everyone.... Gov's got us down and controls everything now. Just cherish your unlisted firearms as a surprise.... Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: plus knowing that this will most likely be a boon for the already wealthy insurance companies... I can't believe this.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: How old was your uncle?
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:15 AM
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: This is pretty hilarious. One would hope they're being ironic, but who knows... http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: How old was your uncle? He was 52, and He was suffering. According to my grams, his first of 4 suicide attemtps was to try to drown himself in the bathtub when he was only 8 Guess he finally got it right when he used his 6 shooter to the dome.... but he at least had enough class to wrap the entire garage in plastic for an easy clean up..... You want to go here son? I'll smack my Johnson all up in your face if you're playing..... Suicide runs up my family tree even stronger than Cancer, and that ain't no fucking joke. Politely..... Take a step back or more if you've never been surrounded by that kind of thing.....
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: plus knowing that this will most likely be a boon for the already wealthy insurance companies... I can't believe this. Until you considare that they now have to cover peopel with pre-existing conditions, can't impose lifetime cost limits, and have to use 80% of all premiums on health care cost....not really.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: plus knowing that this will most likely be a boon for the already wealthy insurance companies... I can't believe this. Until you considare that they now have to cover peopel with pre-existing conditions, can't impose lifetime cost limits, and have to use 80% of all premiums on health care cost....not really. I hope you are right - I'm going to hold onto my skepticism and distrust in this for a while longer.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:44 AM
Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Would it be better just to turn people away from hospitals who aren't insured?
Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: The vast majority of the middle class, as well as everyone else, in the US have health insurance. Your comments show that you really don't understand the law as it was passed, nor the problem it looks to address.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: The vast majority of the middle class, as well as everyone else, in the US have health insurance. Your comments show that you really don't understand the law as it was passed, nor the problem it looks to address. I understand the law. It says that employers MUST provide health insurance...like they already do. But if they choose not to they will pay a fine...which is less then the cost of insurance. So if it costs your employer $20,000 to pay your benefits, but $10,000 to pay the fine...which do you think they will choose? Ok, so the middle class loses its health insurance meaning that either they pay the cost of the insurance or the penalty all of which is now a TAX. So businesses pay less so they can hire more people...wrong becaue of the REST of the bill is full of regulations, mandates, and business tax increases so while saving money by dumping millions off their employer health coverage, its a net loss in revenue so that means holding off on hiring, expansions, and all the business growth kind of stuff that we otherwise would be seeing, not to mention layoffs and closings by businesses on the bubble. In other words...diminished job opportunities. I find it disturing that the President says "I don't have the power to unilaterally rewrite immigration laws" and then unilaterally rewrites immigration laws, then the Court says the govt can't force you to buy something before saying (in the same opinion) that the govt can make you buy something. This is trouble my friends...right here in River City. I know how conservatives feel, why are liberals not afraid...eventually we'll have control, do you really want this precendent? How about the Affordible Gun Act which gives you a 'tax' penalty if you don't own a firearm. The Affordable Baby Act which gives you a tax penalty if you don't have your baby once you are pregnant (sure abortion is legal, but that baby is a potential tax payer and you should help make up the govt's lost revenue if you choose to abort it). Oh, the Affordable Rush Limbaugh Act which taxes people for not listening to at least 3 hours of conservative talk radio. The Affordable Meat Act...you Vegans will hate that one. The Affordable Church Act, The Affordable Smoking Act, the Affordable War For Oil Act, the Affordable Voter ID Act, the Affordable Fox News Act, the Affordable All the Crap You'd Never Do if You Had a Choice Act... This decision does protect us from the Affordable Liberty Act and the Affordable Limitations of Governmental Power Act...which is too bad. H Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Would it be better just to turn people away from hospitals who aren't insured? YES! Forced debtor labor camps! Work from your hospital bed to cover your bill! Pay for your sprained ankle by volunteering for experimental drug tests... take pride in knowing that your sacrifices will help (wealthy) people live longer! ;)
Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: I understand the law. It says that employers MUST provide health insurance...like they already do. But if they choose not to they will pay a fine...which is less then the cost of insurance. So if it costs your employer $20,000 to pay your benefits, but $10,000 to pay the fine...which do you think they will choose?
Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:41 AM
Quote: According to a report by Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation, the individual mandate in Obamacare lacks any real enforcement mechanism:Quote:The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner (Emphasis in original). http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/197046/mandate-unenforceable/daniel-foster: how much you pay, Quote: Tax credits to help the middle class afford insurance will become available for those with income between 100% and 400% of the poverty line who are not eligible for other affordable coverage. (In 2010, 400% of the poverty line comes out to about $43,000 for an individual or $88,000 for a family of four.) The tax credit is advanceable, so it can lower your premium payments each month, rather than making you wait for tax time. It’s also refundable, so even moderate income families can receive the full benefit of the credit. These individuals may also qualify for reduced cost-sharing (copayments, co-insurance, and deductibles). Americans who earn less than 133% of the poverty level (approximately $14,000 for an individual and $29,000 for a family of four) will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid. States will receive 100% federal funding for the first three years to support this expanded coverage, phasing to 90% federal funding in subsequent years. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/ There's what appears to be an excellent breakdown of the various aspects of Obamacare at that site, and after reading them, I'm kinda impressed; if it works, this isn't nearly as bad as even I was led to believe. I love this:Quote: Enjoy the free healthcare off of my dime while you can... Oh... I forgot... you already were.... Who here is doing that? I'm covered by my husband's employer-provided health insurance, what about the rest of us?Quote: Especially Niki. Anyone who lived through the Civil War and wears bloomers as sexy apparel today is a relic that has oulived their purpose. Interesting; he's really got a hard-on for me, hasn't he? Wonder why. He's getting to sound more and more like Kane in his determined focusing of his hatred on me...but he hasn't got nearly the imagination of Kane, and is far more obsessed with his own dick. I guess we gotta have one of them around, just to entertain us. Just amusing to notice (which I wouldn't have if you hadn't quoted him, Mike). "Hero's" funny, too:Quote: I find it disturing that the President says "I don't have the power to unilaterally rewrite immigration laws" and then unilaterally rewrites immigration lawsHe obviously bit whole hog on FauxNews' edited tape. We covered this one, "Hero", they cut it to look like that, but the rest of what Obama said explains what he eventually did. Check it out under "FauxNews strikes again". It simply ain't so. The rest of what he wrote is just the usual bullshit from the right to make everyone paranoid. Besides, if it needed countering, Mike already did so quite nicely. "Affordable Church Act"--I love it! And of course, as he said, we do already have the Affordable War Act... We gotta pay for 'em whether we want 'em or not, right? Too bad that "act" doesn't have the same mandate as the Affordable Care Act, where you can opt out of paying for wars by paying a tax/not taking a deduction, which can't be enforced anyway. I'd LOVE such an act! One of the things I find interesting is all this talk about it being a "tax". Let's see...is there a way in which this act makes one pay MORE taxes, or does it provide a tax DEDUCTION if you have health insurance? In other words, has anything been ADDED to our tax bill, or do we just have a new deduction--which millions of us get because we've already got health insurance? Are they actually adding a new tax? Does anyone know?
Quote:The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner (Emphasis in original). http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/197046/mandate-unenforceable/daniel-foster: how much you pay, Quote: Tax credits to help the middle class afford insurance will become available for those with income between 100% and 400% of the poverty line who are not eligible for other affordable coverage. (In 2010, 400% of the poverty line comes out to about $43,000 for an individual or $88,000 for a family of four.) The tax credit is advanceable, so it can lower your premium payments each month, rather than making you wait for tax time. It’s also refundable, so even moderate income families can receive the full benefit of the credit. These individuals may also qualify for reduced cost-sharing (copayments, co-insurance, and deductibles). Americans who earn less than 133% of the poverty level (approximately $14,000 for an individual and $29,000 for a family of four) will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid. States will receive 100% federal funding for the first three years to support this expanded coverage, phasing to 90% federal funding in subsequent years. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/ There's what appears to be an excellent breakdown of the various aspects of Obamacare at that site, and after reading them, I'm kinda impressed; if it works, this isn't nearly as bad as even I was led to believe. I love this:Quote: Enjoy the free healthcare off of my dime while you can... Oh... I forgot... you already were.... Who here is doing that? I'm covered by my husband's employer-provided health insurance, what about the rest of us?Quote: Especially Niki. Anyone who lived through the Civil War and wears bloomers as sexy apparel today is a relic that has oulived their purpose. Interesting; he's really got a hard-on for me, hasn't he? Wonder why. He's getting to sound more and more like Kane in his determined focusing of his hatred on me...but he hasn't got nearly the imagination of Kane, and is far more obsessed with his own dick. I guess we gotta have one of them around, just to entertain us. Just amusing to notice (which I wouldn't have if you hadn't quoted him, Mike). "Hero's" funny, too:Quote: I find it disturing that the President says "I don't have the power to unilaterally rewrite immigration laws" and then unilaterally rewrites immigration lawsHe obviously bit whole hog on FauxNews' edited tape. We covered this one, "Hero", they cut it to look like that, but the rest of what Obama said explains what he eventually did. Check it out under "FauxNews strikes again". It simply ain't so. The rest of what he wrote is just the usual bullshit from the right to make everyone paranoid. Besides, if it needed countering, Mike already did so quite nicely. "Affordable Church Act"--I love it! And of course, as he said, we do already have the Affordable War Act... We gotta pay for 'em whether we want 'em or not, right? Too bad that "act" doesn't have the same mandate as the Affordable Care Act, where you can opt out of paying for wars by paying a tax/not taking a deduction, which can't be enforced anyway. I'd LOVE such an act! One of the things I find interesting is all this talk about it being a "tax". Let's see...is there a way in which this act makes one pay MORE taxes, or does it provide a tax DEDUCTION if you have health insurance? In other words, has anything been ADDED to our tax bill, or do we just have a new deduction--which millions of us get because we've already got health insurance? Are they actually adding a new tax? Does anyone know?
Quote: Tax credits to help the middle class afford insurance will become available for those with income between 100% and 400% of the poverty line who are not eligible for other affordable coverage. (In 2010, 400% of the poverty line comes out to about $43,000 for an individual or $88,000 for a family of four.) The tax credit is advanceable, so it can lower your premium payments each month, rather than making you wait for tax time. It’s also refundable, so even moderate income families can receive the full benefit of the credit. These individuals may also qualify for reduced cost-sharing (copayments, co-insurance, and deductibles). Americans who earn less than 133% of the poverty level (approximately $14,000 for an individual and $29,000 for a family of four) will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid. States will receive 100% federal funding for the first three years to support this expanded coverage, phasing to 90% federal funding in subsequent years. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/
Quote: Enjoy the free healthcare off of my dime while you can... Oh... I forgot... you already were....
Quote: Especially Niki. Anyone who lived through the Civil War and wears bloomers as sexy apparel today is a relic that has oulived their purpose.
Quote: I find it disturing that the President says "I don't have the power to unilaterally rewrite immigration laws" and then unilaterally rewrites immigration laws
Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:59 AM
Quote:OVERVIEW OF THE HEALTH CARE LAW 2010 NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS Putting Information for Consumers Online. The law provides for an easy-to-use website where consumers can compare health insurance coverage options and pick the coverage that works for them. Effective July 1, 2010. Prohibiting Denying Coverage of Children Based on Pre-Existing Conditions. The health care law includes new rules to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage to children under the age of 19 due to a pre-existing condition. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010 for new plans and existing group plans. Prohibiting Insurance Companies from Rescinding Coverage. In the past, insurance companies could search for an error, or other technical mistake, on a customer’s application and use this error to deny payment for services when he or she got sick. The health care law makes this illegal. After media reports cited incidents of breast cancer patients losing coverage, insurance companies agreed to end this practice immediately. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010. Eliminating Lifetime Limits on Insurance Coverage. Under the law, insurance companies will be prohibited from imposing lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits, like hospital stays. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010. Regulating Annual Limits on Insurance Coverage. Under the law, insurance companies’ use of annual dollar limits on the amount of insurance coverage a patient may receive will be restricted for new plans in the individual market and all group plans. In 2014, the use of annual dollar limits on essential benefits like hospital stays will be banned for new plans in the individual market and all group plans. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010. Appealing Insurance Company Decisions. The law provides consumers with a way to appeal coverage determinations or claims to their insurance company, and establishes an external review process. Effective for new plans beginning on or after September 23, 2010. Establishing Consumer Assistance Programs in the States. Under the law, states that apply receive federal grants to help set up or expand independent offices to help consumers navigate the private health insurance system. These programs help consumers file complaints and appeals; enroll in health coverage; and get educated about their rights and responsibilities in group health plans or individual health insurance policies. The programs will also collect data on the types of problems consumers have, and file reports with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to identify trouble spots that need further oversight. Grants Awarded October 2010. IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS Providing Small Business Health Insurance Tax Credits. Up to 4 million small businesses are eligible for tax credits to help them provide insurance benefits to their workers. The first phase of this provision provides a credit worth up to 35% of the employer’s contribution to the employees’ health insurance. Small non-profit organizations may receive up to a 25% credit. Effective now. Offering Relief for 4 Million Seniors Who Hit the Medicare Prescription Drug “Donut Hole.” An estimated four million seniors will reach the gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage known as the “donut hole” this year. Each eligible senior will receive a one-time, tax free $250 rebate check. First checks mailed in June, 2010, and will continue monthly throughout 2010 as seniors hit the coverage gap. . Providing Free Preventive Care. All new plans must cover certain preventive services such as mammograms and colonoscopies without charging a deductible, co-pay or coinsurance. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010.. Preventing Disease and Illness. A new $15 billion Prevention and Public Health Fund will invest in proven prevention and public health programs that can help keep Americans healthy – from smoking cessation to combating obesity. Funding begins in 2010. Cracking Down on Health Care Fraud. Current efforts to fight fraud have returned more than $2.5 billion to the Medicare Trust Fund in fiscal year 2009 alone. The new law invests new resources and requires new screening procedures for health care providers to boost these efforts and reduce fraud and waste in Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP. Many provisions effective now. INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE Providing Access to Insurance for Uninsured Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions. The Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan provides new coverage options to individuals who have been uninsured for at least six months because of a pre-existing condition. States have the option of running this program in their state. If a state chooses not to do so, a plan will be established by the Department of Health and Human Services in that state. National program effective July 1, 2010. Extending Coverage for Young Adults. Under the law, young adults will be allowed to stay on their parents’ plan until they turn 26 years old (in the case of existing group health plans, this right does not apply if the young adult is offered insurance at work). Check with your insurance company or employer to see if you qualify. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23. Expanding Coverage for Early Retirees. Too often, Americans who retire without employer-sponsored insurance and before they are eligible for Medicare see their life savings disappear because of high rates in the individual market. To preserve employer coverage for early retirees until more affordable coverage is available through the new Exchanges by 2014, the new law creates a $5 billion program to provide needed financial help for employment-based plans to continue to provide valuable coverage to people who retire between the ages of 55 and 65, as well as their spouses and dependents. Applications for employers to participate in the program available June 1, 2010.. Rebuilding the Primary Care Workforce. To strengthen the availability of primary care, there are new incentives in the law to expand the number of primary care doctors, nurses and physician assistants. These include funding for scholarships and loan repayments for primary care doctors and nurses working in underserved areas. Doctors and nurses receiving payments made under any state loan repayment or loan forgiveness program intended to increase the availability of health care services in underserved or health professional shortage areas will not have to pay taxes on those payments. Effective 2010 . Holding Insurance Companies Accountable for Unreasonable Rate Hikes. The law allows states that have, or plan to implement, measures that require insurance companies to justify their premium increases will be eligible for $250 million in new grants. Insurance companies with excessive or unjustified premium exchanges may not be able to participate in the new health insurance Exchanges in 2014. Grants awarded beginning in 2010. Allowing States to Cover More People on Medicaid. States will be able to receive federal matching funds for covering some additional low-income individuals and families under Medicaid for whom federal funds were not previously available. This will make it easier for states that choose to do so to cover more of their residents. Effective April 1, 2010. . Increasing Payments for Rural Health Care Providers. Today, 68% of medically underserved communities across the nation are in rural areas. These communities often have trouble attracting and retaining medical professionals. The law provides increased payment to rural health care providers to help them continue to serve their communities. Effective 2010. Strengthening Community Health Centers. The law includes new funding to support the construction of and expand services at community health centers, allowing these centers to serve some 20 million new patients across the country. Effective 2010. 2011 IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS Offering Prescription Drug Discounts. Seniors who reach the coverage gap will receive a 50% discount when buying Medicare Part D covered brand-name prescription drugs. Over the next ten years, seniors will receive additional savings on brand-name and generic drugs until the coverage gap is closed in 2020. Effective January 1, 2011. Providing Free Preventive Care for Seniors. The law provides certain free preventive services, such as annual wellness visits and personalized prevention plans for seniors on Medicare. Effective January 1, 2011. Improving Health Care Quality and Efficiency. The law establishes a new Center for Medicare & Medicaid Innovation that will begin testing new ways of delivering care to patients. These methods are expected to improve the quality of care, and reduce the rate of growth in health care costs for Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Additionally, by January 1, 2011, HHS will submit a national strategy for quality improvement in health care, including by these programs. Effective no later than January 1, 2011. . Improving Care for Seniors After They Leave the Hospital. The Community Care Transitions Program will help high risk Medicare beneficiaries who are hospitalized avoid unnecessary readmissions by coordinating care and connecting patients to services in their communities. Effective January 1, 2011. Introducing New Innovations to Bring Down Costs. The Independent Payment Advisory Board will begin operations to develop and submit proposals to Congress and the President aimed at extending the life of the Medicare Trust Fund. The Board is expected to focus on ways to target waste in the system, and recommend ways to reduce costs, improve health outcomes for patients, and expand access to high-quality care. Administrative funding becomes available October 1, 2011. INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE Increasing Access to Services at Home and in the Community. The Community First Choice Option allows states to offer home and community based services to disabled individuals through Medicaid rather than institutional care in nursing homes. Effective beginning October 1, 2011. HOLDING INSURANCE COMPANIES ACCOUNTABLE Bringing Down Health Care Premiums. To ensure premium dollars are spent primarily on health care, the law generally requires that at least 85% of all premium dollars collected by insurance companies for large employer plans are spent on health care services and health care quality improvement. For plans sold to individuals and small employers, at least 80% of the premium must be spent on benefits and quality improvement. If insurance companies do not meet these goals, because their administrative costs or profits are too high, they must provide rebates to consumers. Effective January 1, 2011. Addressing Overpayments to Big Insurance Companies and Strengthening Medicare Advantage. Today, Medicare pays Medicare Advantage insurance companies over $1,000 more per person on average than is spent per person in Traditional Medicare. This results in increased premiums for all Medicare beneficiaries, including the 77% of beneficiaries who are not currently enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan. The law levels the playing field by gradually eliminating this discrepancy. People enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan will still receive all guaranteed Medicare benefits, and the law provides bonus payments to Medicare Advantage plans that provide high quality care. Effective January 1, 2011. 2012 IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS Linking Payment to Quality Outcomes. The law establishes a hospital Value-Based Purchasing program (VBP) in Traditional Medicare. This program offers financial incentives to hospitals to improve the quality of care. Hospital performance is required to be publicly reported, beginning with measures relating to heart attacks, heart failure, pneumonia, surgical care, health-care associated infections, and patients’ perception of care. Effective for payments for discharges occurring on or after October 1, 2012. Encouraging Integrated Health Systems. The new law provides incentives for physicians to join together to form “Accountable Care Organizations.” These groups allow doctors to better coordinate patient care and improve the quality, help prevent disease and illness and reduce unnecessary hospital admissions. If Accountable Care Organizations provide high quality care and reduce costs to the health care system, they can keep some of the money that they have helped save. Effective January 1, 2012. . Reducing Paperwork and Administrative Costs. Health care remains one of the few industries that relies on paper records. The new law will institute a series of changes to standardize billing and requires health plans to begin adopting and implementing rules for the secure, confidential, electronic exchange of health information. Using electronic health records will reduce paperwork and administrative burdens, cut costs, reduce medical errors and most importantly, improve the quality of care. First regulation effective October 1, 2012. Understanding and Fighting Health Disparities. To help understand and reduce persistent health disparities, the law requires any ongoing or new federal health program to collect and report racial, ethnic and language data. The Secretary of Health and Human Services will use this data to help identify and reduce disparities. Effective March 2012. INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE Providing New, Voluntary Options for Long-Term Care Insurance. The law creates a voluntary long-term care insurance program – called CLASS -- to provide cash benefits to adults who become disabled. Note: On October 14, 2011, Secretary Sebelius transmitted a report and letter to Congress stating that the Department does not see a viable path forward for CLASS implementation at this time. 2013 IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS Improving Preventive Health Coverage. To expand the number of Americans receiving preventive care, the law provides new funding to state Medicaid programs that choose to cover preventive services for patients at little or no cost. Effective January 1, 2013. Expanding Authority to Bundle Payments. The law establishes a national pilot program to encourage hospitals, doctors, and other providers to work together to improve the coordination and quality of patient care. Under payment “bundling,” hospitals, doctors, and providers are paid a flat rate for an episode of care rather than the current fragmented system where each service or test or bundles of items or services are billed separately to Medicare. For example, instead of a surgical procedure generating multiple claims from multiple providers, the entire team is compensated with a “bundled” payment that provides incentives to deliver health care services more efficiently while maintaining or improving quality of care. It aligns the incentives of those delivering care, and savings are shared between providers and the Medicare program. Effective no later than January 1, 2013. INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE Increasing Medicaid Payments for Primary Care Doctors. As Medicaid programs and providers prepare to cover more patients in 2014, the Act requires states to pay primary care physicians no less than 100% of Medicare payment rates in 2013 and 2014 for primary care services. The increase is fully funded by the federal government. Effective January 1, 2013. Providing Additional Funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Under the law, states will receive two more years of funding to continue coverage for children not eligible for Medicaid. Effective October 1, 2013. 2014 NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS Prohibiting Discrimination Due to Pre-Existing Conditions or Gender. The law implements strong reforms that prohibit insurance companies from refusing to sell coverage or renew policies because of an individual’s pre-existing conditions. Also, in the individual and small group market, the law eliminates the ability of insurance companies to charge higher rates due to gender or health status. Effective January 1, 2014. Eliminating Annual Limits on Insurance Coverage. The law prohibits new plans and existing group plans from imposing annual dollar limits on the amount of coverage an individual may receive. Effective January 1, 2014. Ensuring Coverage for Individuals Participating in Clinical Trials. Insurers will be prohibited from dropping or limiting coverage because an individual chooses to participate in a clinical trial. Applies to all clinical trials that treat cancer or other life-threatening diseases. Effective January 1, 2014. IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS Making Care More Affordable. Tax credits to make it easier for the middle class to afford insurance will become available for people with income between 100% and 400% of the poverty line who are not eligible for other affordable coverage. (In 2010, 400% of the poverty line comes out to about $43,000 for an individual or $88,000 for a family of four.) The tax credit is advanceable, so it can lower your premium payments each month, rather than making you wait for tax time. It’s also refundable, so even moderate-income families can receive the full benefit of the credit. These individuals may also qualify for reduced cost-sharing (copayments, co-insurance, and deductibles). Effective January 1, 2014. \ Establishing Affordable Insurance Exchanges. Starting in 2014 if your employer doesn’t offer insurance, you will be able to buy it directly in an Affordable Insurance Exchange. An Exchange is a new transparent and competitive insurance marketplace where individuals and small businesses can buy affordable and qualified health benefit plans. Exchanges will offer you a choice of health plans that meet certain benefits and cost standards. Starting in 2014, Members of Congress will be getting their health care insurance through Exchanges, and you will be able buy your insurance through Exchanges too. Effective January 1, 2014. . Increasing the Small Business Tax Credit. The law implements the second phase of the small business tax credit for qualified small businesses and small non-profit organizations. In this phase, the credit is up to 50% of the employer’s contribution to provide health insurance for employees. There is also up to a 35% credit for small non-profit organizations. Effective January 1, 2014. INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE Increasing Access to Medicaid. Americans who earn less than 133% of the poverty level (approximately $14,000 for an individual and $29,000 for a family of four) will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid. States will receive 100% federal funding for the first three years to support this expanded coverage, phasing to 90% federal funding in subsequent years. Effective January 1, 2014. Promoting Individual Responsibility. Under the law, most individuals who can afford it will be required to obtain basic health insurance coverage or pay a fee to help offset the costs of caring for uninsured Americans. If affordable coverage is not available to an individual, he or she will be eligible for an exemption. Effective January 1, 2014. Ensuring Free Choice. Workers meeting certain requirements who cannot afford the coverage provided by their employer may take whatever funds their employer might have contributed to their insurance and use these resources to help purchase a more affordable plan in the new health insurance Exchanges. Effective January 1, 2014 2015 IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS Paying Physicians Based on Value Not Volume. A new provision will tie physician payments to the quality of care they provide. Physicians will see their payments modified so that those who provide higher value care will receive higher payments than those who provide lower quality care. Effective January 1, 2015. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/full.html tons more at the site which goes into explicit detail of how much of that works, but I'll leave it to those who want to go there to find out for themselves. Now, if anyone finds anything incorrect in this, please speak up. If not, now we have something to work from, not just our individual impressions of what's what. I'm pleasantly surprised, myownself, I thought it was much worse than what I read. Just shows to go 'ya how effective the right has been in demoizing it, and how little the left has managed to help people understand the details.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Unenforceability. I heard and read this several places quite some time ago, but I don't remember where. This will cover it sufficiently, however, I think:Quote: According to a report by Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation, the individual mandate in Obamacare lacks any real enforcement mechanism:Quote:The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner (Emphasis in original).
Quote: According to a report by Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation, the individual mandate in Obamacare lacks any real enforcement mechanism:Quote:The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner (Emphasis in original).
Quote:The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner (Emphasis in original).
Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:04 PM
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Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:18 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Good news. I just read a good quote from a healthcare economist who helped draft the law, predicting that Obamacare will become popular if implemented: "I have a vision that if the Affordable Care Act takes place, twenty years from now in a town hall someone will rise and say, 'Keep the government's hands off my Affordable Care Act!'"
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