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Why Romney is Losing
Friday, August 10, 2012 8:07 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Mitt Romney spent weeks battling Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich for the Republican presidential nomination, and he faced blistering attacks from Rick Perry and other GOP rivals along the way. And now he is paying the price. Romney's failure to surpass Barack Obama this summer stems in no small part from his reluctance to make any bold moves on policy, and this reluctance is a direct product of the beating he's taken from conservative critics for much of the last year.Quote: Mitt Romney's unfavorable rating is up, most Americans think the Republican presidential challenger favors the rich, and it appears the number of people who believe that the economy will not get better if Romney is elected has edged up slightly, according to a new national poll. The basic rap on Romney -- who represented, let us not forget, the conservative alternative to John McCain during the 2008 race for the Republican presidential nomination -- was that he wasn't sufficiently conservative. To reassure conservative primary voters, Romney embraced positions on a wide range of issues, from immigration to taxes, that are more popular among reliable Republicans than among swing voters. It all adds up to a seven point advantage for President Barack Obama over the former Massachusetts governor, with 52% of registered voters questioned in the survey saying that they'd vote to re-elect the president and 45% backing Romney. "Among independent voters, the poll indicates President Obama has a 53%-42% lead," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "The president holds a nine point advantage among women voters and a smaller six point edge among men." Most significantly, it appears that Romney's image as a can-do guy on the economy may have also been hurt. In May, 50% of all Americans said that the economy would get better if Romney were elected. That's now down to 45%, two points below Obama's number. Regardless of which candidate they support, 63% think Obama will win re-election, with one third saying Romney will win. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/09/cnn-poll-obama-holds-7-point-lead-over-romney/ As the political analyst Sean Trende, author of "The Lost Majority," has argued, the central dilemma facing the Romney campaign is that it has essentially secured all of the low-to-medium hanging fruit for a Republican presidential candidate by condemning Obama's economic record. Yet this hasn't been enough to give Romney a lead over the incumbent president. Indeed, there is at least some reason to believe that the Romney campaign is losing ground. This strongly suggests that the GOP needs a more positive message with crossover appeal. The trouble, of course, is that Romney's efforts to inoculate himself against charges of squishiness have made it very difficult for him to pivot to the center. Romney's evolution on tax policy is also telling. During the 1996 New Hampshire GOP primary, Romney, a private citizen at the time, paid for an advertisement criticizing Steve Forbes' signature flat tax on the grounds that it was a giveaway to the ultra-rich. And his original 2012 tax proposal was a fairly modest one, which called for extending the Bush-era tax cuts while also eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends and interest for married couples earning less than $200,000. The idea was that this would be a prelude to a larger tax code overhaul. But when Romney feared that Rick Santorum might defeat him in Michigan's crucial Republican primary, he released a far more ambitious, and far more expensive, tax cut proposal that is being criticized as pie-in-the-sky. Right now, the Romney campaign seems to believe that it can defeat Obama by running a conventional and cautious campaign. But as the weeks go by and the president's lead remains frozen in place, this is starting to look like a bad bet. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/opinion/salam-romney-struggle/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7
Quote: Mitt Romney's unfavorable rating is up, most Americans think the Republican presidential challenger favors the rich, and it appears the number of people who believe that the economy will not get better if Romney is elected has edged up slightly, according to a new national poll. The basic rap on Romney -- who represented, let us not forget, the conservative alternative to John McCain during the 2008 race for the Republican presidential nomination -- was that he wasn't sufficiently conservative. To reassure conservative primary voters, Romney embraced positions on a wide range of issues, from immigration to taxes, that are more popular among reliable Republicans than among swing voters. It all adds up to a seven point advantage for President Barack Obama over the former Massachusetts governor, with 52% of registered voters questioned in the survey saying that they'd vote to re-elect the president and 45% backing Romney. "Among independent voters, the poll indicates President Obama has a 53%-42% lead," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "The president holds a nine point advantage among women voters and a smaller six point edge among men." Most significantly, it appears that Romney's image as a can-do guy on the economy may have also been hurt. In May, 50% of all Americans said that the economy would get better if Romney were elected. That's now down to 45%, two points below Obama's number. Regardless of which candidate they support, 63% think Obama will win re-election, with one third saying Romney will win. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/09/cnn-poll-obama-holds-7-point-lead-over-romney/
Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:58 AM
CHRISISALL
Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:36 AM
WHOZIT
Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:13 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Sunday, August 12, 2012 1:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: do the words war crimes and profiteering mean anything to this fuck ?
Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:16 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:25 PM
Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Over 10,000 showed up in NC to see R&R and you think he's losing? Take my advice libs, PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPES!!
Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Over 10,000 showed up in NC to see R&R and you think he's losing? Take my advice libs, PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPES!!More people show up at Comicons.
Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: More people show up at Comicons.
Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: More people show up at Comicons. Except "... Romney told the overflow crowd of an estimated 3000." http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/romney-and-ryan-campaign-in-north-carolina.html Yep, all of 3000 people. My high school in podunk NY was bigger. SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.
Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:11 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: More people show up at Comicons. Except "... Romney told the overflow crowd of an estimated 3000." http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/romney-and-ryan-campaign-in-north-carolina.html Yep, all of 3000 people. My high school in podunk NY was bigger. SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up. I'm sure the MSM will have the crowd down to around 50 by the morning.
Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: I'm sure the MSM will have the crowd down to around 50 by the morning.
Monday, August 13, 2012 2:37 AM
Monday, August 13, 2012 8:50 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Romney is inept and would be an inept puppet
Monday, August 13, 2012 8:57 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Romney is inept and would be an inept puppet Tough sell. Romney has been a success at pretty much everything he's done.
Monday, August 13, 2012 9:39 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Tough sell. Romney has been a success at pretty much everything he's done. He starts a business, makes a crapload of money, then he saves the Olympics by coming in a pretty much doing his take on that great scene from Patton where he personally leading the charge across France, an now a political career that is as good as anyone could hope for. You may not like him or support him, but the man works damn hard and gets it right more often then not.
Quote:Originally posted by Hero:Also someone mentioned debates. Romney just went through the toughest year of debate prep I've ever seen. If you compare his Florida debate, where he took apart Gingrich to his earlier debates you see that he can go head to head with someone like Obama.
Quote:Originally posted by Hero:And Ryan vs Bidden will be a knockout. Ryan can explain the budget, make it understandable, make it interesting, and hit them with facts all in minutes. I just saw a clip of him from 2010 taking apart Obama right to his face on his two signature policies in just six minutes.
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:04 AM
Monday, August 13, 2012 10:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Romney just went through the toughest year of debate prep I've ever seen.
Monday, August 13, 2012 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Romney did help get the Salt Lake City games back on track but did not do it alone. In fact pretty much the best think he did was simply replace a corrupt and inept CEO. Oh and one of the Olympic committee board members said this about Mitt "He tried very hard to build an image of himself as a savior, the great white hope. He was very good at characterizing and castigating people and putting himself on a pedestal."
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