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Why Romney is Losing

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:00
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Friday, August 10, 2012 8:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not looking good there, Mittens:
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Mitt Romney spent weeks battling Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich for the Republican presidential nomination, and he faced blistering attacks from Rick Perry and other GOP rivals along the way. And now he is paying the price.

Romney's failure to surpass Barack Obama this summer stems in no small part from his reluctance to make any bold moves on policy, and this reluctance is a direct product of the beating he's taken from conservative critics for much of the last year.
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Mitt Romney's unfavorable rating is up, most Americans think the Republican presidential challenger favors the rich, and it appears the number of people who believe that the economy will not get better if Romney is elected has edged up slightly, according to a new national poll.

The basic rap on Romney -- who represented, let us not forget, the conservative alternative to John McCain during the 2008 race for the Republican presidential nomination -- was that he wasn't sufficiently conservative. To reassure conservative primary voters, Romney embraced positions on a wide range of issues, from immigration to taxes, that are more popular among reliable Republicans than among swing voters.

It all adds up to a seven point advantage for President Barack Obama over the former Massachusetts governor, with 52% of registered voters questioned in the survey saying that they'd vote to re-elect the president and 45% backing Romney.

"Among independent voters, the poll indicates President Obama has a 53%-42% lead," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "The president holds a nine point advantage among women voters and a smaller six point edge among men."

Most significantly, it appears that Romney's image as a can-do guy on the economy may have also been hurt. In May, 50% of all Americans said that the economy would get better if Romney were elected. That's now down to 45%, two points below Obama's number.

Regardless of which candidate they support, 63% think Obama will win re-election, with one third saying Romney will win. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/09/cnn-poll-obama-holds-7
-point-lead-over-romney
/


As the political analyst Sean Trende, author of "The Lost Majority," has argued, the central dilemma facing the Romney campaign is that it has essentially secured all of the low-to-medium hanging fruit for a Republican presidential candidate by condemning Obama's economic record. Yet this hasn't been enough to give Romney a lead over the incumbent president.

Indeed, there is at least some reason to believe that the Romney campaign is losing ground. This strongly suggests that the GOP needs a more positive message with crossover appeal. The trouble, of course, is that Romney's efforts to inoculate himself against charges of squishiness have made it very difficult for him to pivot to the center.

Romney's evolution on tax policy is also telling.

During the 1996 New Hampshire GOP primary, Romney, a private citizen at the time, paid for an advertisement criticizing Steve Forbes' signature flat tax on the grounds that it was a giveaway to the ultra-rich. And his original 2012 tax proposal was a fairly modest one, which called for extending the Bush-era tax cuts while also eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends and interest for married couples earning less than $200,000.

The idea was that this would be a prelude to a larger tax code overhaul. But when Romney feared that Rick Santorum might defeat him in Michigan's crucial Republican primary, he released a far more ambitious, and far more expensive, tax cut proposal that is being criticized as pie-in-the-sky.

Right now, the Romney campaign seems to believe that it can defeat Obama by running a conventional and cautious campaign. But as the weeks go by and the president's lead remains frozen in place, this is starting to look like a bad bet. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/opinion/salam-romney-struggle/index.html
?hpt=hp_bn7

One can only hope!

Bring on the debates! What fun they will be. Can you just see them standing there, Obama relaxed and smiling, Romney looking like he was sculpted from wax!

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:58 AM

CHRISISALL


He's losing because he's not clued in to reality, he seems very much like poor Rappy in that way.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured reality

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:36 AM

WHOZIT


Losing? You libs keep telling youselves that, Barry should be polling over 50% and they know it. The Dems are going to have another awful election year just like 2010.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Because he's an inept, socipathic douchebag, and an incompetent one at that, who's picked a batshit randroid for a running mate, that's why.

Not to mention yanno, the deeper you dig, the uglier it gets.
El Salvador man, just... do the words war crimes and profiteering mean anything to this fuck ?
Nope.

-Frem

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 1:53 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

do the words war crimes and profiteering mean anything to this fuck ?

Yes, they mean insanely comfortable retirement.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured profiteers

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Why Romney is Losing - b/c he's so fucking incompetent he can’t pull ahead of a black guy?

Now, I'm no fan of Obama. If he looks like he's going to carry my state I'll vote Green. And on ANY vote I'll vote Green wherever I can. And I really dislike elections where you have to pick the one you hate the least.

But the one race Romney is winning is the race to the bottom of the barrel.


Oh, FWIW, the analysis I've heard is that only 8% are undecided. As I've read, that means that the campaign isn't about convincing the unconvinced, it's about firing up your 'base' and getting them to go out and vote. Expect more dreck.




SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:25 PM

WHOZIT


Over 10,000 showed up in NC to see R&R and you think he's losing? Take my advice libs, PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPES!!

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:28 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by whozit:
Over 10,000 showed up in NC to see R&R and you think he's losing? Take my advice libs, PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPES!!

More people show up at Comicons.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:32 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by whozit:
Over 10,000 showed up in NC to see R&R and you think he's losing? Take my advice libs, PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPES!!

More people show up at Comicons.



I change my mind, pick up the crack pipe

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
More people show up at Comicons.

Except "... Romney told the overflow crowd of an estimated 3000." http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/romney-and-ryan-campaign-in-north
-carolina.html
Yep, all of 3000 people. My high school in podunk NY was bigger.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:55 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
More people show up at Comicons.

Except "... Romney told the overflow crowd of an estimated 3000." http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/romney-and-ryan-campaign-in-north
-carolina.html
Yep, all of 3000 people. My high school in podunk NY was bigger.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.



I'm sure the MSM will have the crowd down to around 50 by the morning.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by whozit:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
More people show up at Comicons.

Except "... Romney told the overflow crowd of an estimated 3000." http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/romney-and-ryan-campaign-in-north
-carolina.html
Yep, all of 3000 people. My high school in podunk NY was bigger.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.



I'm sure the MSM will have the crowd down to around 50 by the morning.




I think Romney's capable of those numbers all on his own.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:12 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by whozit:


I'm sure the MSM will have the crowd down to around 50 by the morning.

What does MSM stand for anyway, My Sh**ty Memory? I mean, who is this/they?

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Monday, August 13, 2012 2:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Main Stream Media"...or, as Mamma Grizzly would have it, "LMS". As far as I'm concerned, it only takes intelligence to see which is the better. Romney is inept and would be an inept puppet; Ryan, tho' supposedly quite intelligent, is an idealogue who has NO intention of compromising on anything. Not a good start!

No surprise the crowds (such as they are) are turning out right now. Ryan is fresh meat, and they've GOT to be sick of Wooden-Indian Romney!

Yeah, as for the "undecided" vote (which may not even be that, given polls are only taken of X number of people, and people are notoriously untruthful in some polls). It doesn't matter tho'...what the country as a whole thinks of him means nothing, it's which way each state goes. So, as usual, the "swing states" will decide the election for us all. Bah.

And yeah, while I'm only lukewarm about Obama, the vision of those two in office gives me the creeps. I, too, am sick of voting for the "least worst", especially in primaries! Wouldn't it be nice if...oh, sorry, I drifted off there for a minute.


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Monday, August 13, 2012 8:50 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Romney is inept and would be an inept puppet


Tough sell. Romney has been a success at pretty much everything he's done. He starts a business, makes a crapload of money, then he saves the Olympics by coming in a pretty much doing his take on that great scene from Patton where he personally leading the charge across France, an now a political career that is as good as anyone could hope for. You may not like him or support him, but the man works damn hard and gets it right more often then not.

Also someone mentioned debates. Romney just went through the toughest year of debate prep I've ever seen. If you compare his Florida debate, where he took apart Gingrich to his earlier debates you see that he can go head to head with someone like Obama.

And Ryan vs Bidden will be a knockout. Ryan can explain the budget, make it understandable, make it interesting, and hit them with facts all in minutes. I just saw a clip of him from 2010 taking apart Obama right to his face on his two signature policies in just six minutes.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Monday, August 13, 2012 8:57 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Romney is inept and would be an inept puppet


Tough sell. Romney has been a success at pretty much everything he's done.



Just don't ask him about it. ANY of it.

Al Capone was successfull at virtually all of his endeavors, too.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, August 13, 2012 9:39 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by Hero:
Tough sell. Romney has been a success at pretty much everything he's done. He starts a business, makes a crapload of money, then he saves the Olympics by coming in a pretty much doing his take on that great scene from Patton where he personally leading the charge across France, an now a political career that is as good as anyone could hope for. You may not like him or support him, but the man works damn hard and gets it right more often then not.



What business did Mitt start? See this is confusing because he was recruited by BCG right out of college.

Romney did help get the Salt Lake City games back on track but did not do it alone. In fact pretty much the best think he did was simply replace a corrupt and inept CEO. Oh and one of the Olympic committee board members said this about Mitt "He tried very hard to build an image of himself as a savior, the great white hope. He was very good at characterizing and castigating people and putting himself on a pedestal."

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Originally posted by Hero:Also someone mentioned debates. Romney just went through the toughest year of debate prep I've ever seen. If you compare his Florida debate, where he took apart Gingrich to his earlier debates you see that he can go head to head with someone like Obama.


LOL...are you seriously comparing Gingrich to Obama when it comes to debating?

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Originally posted by Hero:And Ryan vs Bidden will be a knockout. Ryan can explain the budget, make it understandable, make it interesting, and hit them with facts all in minutes. I just saw a clip of him from 2010 taking apart Obama right to his face on his two signature policies in just six minutes.


If you are talking about the question time Obama had with the GOP you are high. Obama basically took on the best of the GOP (that's not saying much) and came out looking like the smartest man in DC. That is the reason there has been no more question times with Barrack.

...oh and all Biden has to do is keep asking Ryan about his plans to privatize Medicare and the VPs job is done.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, August 13, 2012 10:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Don't forget all the government bailout help that Mittens had for the Olympics. Hundreds of millions, possibly as much as $1.5 BILLION, of taxpayer money.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, August 13, 2012 10:53 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Romney just went through the toughest year of debate prep I've ever seen.

Oh, this needs Rocky training music...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured debate preppers

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Monday, August 13, 2012 11:00 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:


Romney did help get the Salt Lake City games back on track but did not do it alone. In fact pretty much the best think he did was simply replace a corrupt and inept CEO. Oh and one of the Olympic committee board members said this about Mitt "He tried very hard to build an image of himself as a savior, the great white hope. He was very good at characterizing and castigating people and putting himself on a pedestal."



He did put his own face on the cemmemorative pin.

Sounds like someone Randroids would cream themselves over.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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