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GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy.
Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:13 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Rep. Todd Akin, the newly-christened GOP Senate nominee in Missouri, said in an interview airing Sunday that “legitimate rape” rarely causes pregnancy. Explaining his no-exceptions policy on abortions, Akin was asked why he opposes abortion even when the pregnancy is the result of rape. “First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in a clip posted to YouTube by the Democratic super PAC American Bridge. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” Akin added: “But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.” Akin issued a statement Sunday afternoon saying he misspoke. “In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,” he said. “I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action.” Akin’s statement threatens to recast a Senate race in which he starts as the favorite, but national Republicans are concerned about his ability to execute a winning strategy. Akin won the GOP nomination two weeks ago — a result that Democrats hailed as a potential game-changer in a tough race for them. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) and national Democrats actually spent money in the GOP primary to help get Akin through it. That strategy, at least in this case, appears to be paying dividends. McCaskill said she was outraged by Akin’s claim. “It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape,” McCaskill said in a statment. “The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive.” Akin’s claim is one that pops up occasionally in social conservative circles. A federal judge nominated by President Bush in the early 2000s had said similar things, as have state lawmakers in North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Politicians and activists who espouse this view often suggest that women who haven’t been raped will claim to have been raped in order to obtain an abortion. An Idaho state lawmaker apologized earlier this year after urging doctors to make sure women who claimed they had been raped were sure of that fact. Akin himself has suggested in the past that women may claim to be raped as a strategy during divorce proceedings. Needless to say, this is territory that GOP leaders would rather not have Akin wander into. Getting into the particulars of “legitimate rape” (as opposed to what?) and the female reproductive system has the potential to make this a headache for the GOP and take the focus off of McCaskill and President Obama, who is unpopular in Missouri. According to a 1996 study, approximately 32,000 pregnancies result from rape annually in the United States, and about 5 percent of rape victims are impregnated. “Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency,” the study says, according to an abstract. “It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence.” Akin is also staking out some of the most socially conservative territory possible on this issue. Missouri is pretty socially conservative, but even many Republicans believe in abortion exceptions for rape and incest. A recent Gallup poll showed just 20 percent of Americans believe in no exceptions for abortion.
Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:41 PM
WHOZIT
Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:57 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:43 PM
HKCAVALIER
Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:40 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:14 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: This has got to be the last gasp of a dying order. The social conservatives, across the globe, are losing ground by the minute.
Monday, August 20, 2012 3:42 AM
MAL4PREZ
Monday, August 20, 2012 3:55 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: That's weird, a woman can get pregnant from rape as easily as she can from sex (note that even though it involves sperm and eggs and penetration I don't think of rape as sex because I view sex as mutually concentual. I suppose either could be called intercourse though because of the mechanics.
Monday, August 20, 2012 4:16 AM
Quote:If I'm feeling very generous, I can even see where the phrase "legitimate rape" might have been a very poor choice of words but someone who meant to communicate a less harsh idea. So, maybe - MAYBE - there's a chance these words could classify as something "mis-spoke".
Monday, August 20, 2012 4:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: OK, the whole "legitimate" rape term is horrifying and completely bogus, but I can see how a certain misogynistic cold-hearted ass-hat might work very hard to convince himself that most rapes are not "really" rapes. You know, because then he'd have to admit that there's a power imbalance and gender-based abuse and men need to point the finger at themselves. (Something this jerk clearly has no intention of doing.) It's fucked up, but I can see where this thought originated in his psyche. If I'm feeling very generous, I can even see where the phrase "legitimate rape" might have been a very poor choice of words but someone who meant to communicate a less harsh idea. So, maybe - MAYBE - there's a chance these words could classify as something "mis-spoke". But: "the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down". WTF? If this was mis-spoken, what in the world did he really mean to say? I can't even imagine where this idea came from, and what else he could possibly have meant. As insane as it is, but I see no other possibilities. What he said is exactly what he meant. Yeah ladies, there's no need for unwanted pregnancy. Your body will get rid of it for you, and if it doesn't, you must really *want* the baby, right? Ignore your own ideas, choices, wants and needs. If you're pregnant you want to be. Now shut up and give birth. It's almost Biblical in its madness. The best woman in the Bible is the one who gives birth without ever having sex. Talk about an ideal! Clean yet fertile! Now Akin has another level for us to rise up to: we don't need to make decisions for ourselves. Our bodies will do it for us, so our heads can remain properly empty and wombs properly full. How pure we'll be! Good thing I don't own a pitchfork. I'd be taking to the streets.
Monday, August 20, 2012 4:45 AM
Monday, August 20, 2012 4:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Once again, this is the GOP putting the onus on women, making it the woman's fault if she gets pregnant from being raped, because if she does, then she must have really wanted it.
Monday, August 20, 2012 4:55 AM
Monday, August 20, 2012 5:23 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Monday, August 20, 2012 5:43 AM
STORYMARK
Monday, August 20, 2012 6:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: He should be publically reprimanded in the House, and he should be removed from the ballot as a candidate. I'm confident that even the toothless trogladytic Missouri Republican party leaders can find another sheep sodomizer to run against the incumbent Democrat.
Quote: The Romney campaign quickly distanced itself from controversial comments about rape made by Republican Senate candidate Todd Akin of Missouri, as the Democrats tried to make the remarks stick to the GOP ticket. The Romney campaign flatly rejected the comments. "Gov. Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," the campaign said in a brief statement. Romney, in an interview with the National Review, later called the comments "insulting" and "inexcusable."
Quote:A woman's body may be unconsciously selective about sperm, allowing some men's to progress to pregnancy but killing off the chances of less suitable matches, an Australian researcher said Wednesday. University of Adelaide professor Sarah Robertson said her research suggested that sperm contains "signalling molecules" that activate immunity changes in a woman so her body accepts it. But some apparently healthy sperm failed to activate these changes, leading to the suggestion that the female system can be "choosy" about its biological mate, she said. "It's rather like a two-way dance," Robertson said. "The male provides information that increases the chances of conception and progression to pregnancy, but the female body has a quality control system which needs convincing that his sperm is compatible. "That's where the dance can go wrong with some couples - if the male signals are not strong enough, or if the female system is too 'choosy'." Robertson said sperm was more likely to fail if the woman had not previously been exposed to that man's semen for at least three months. "We used to think that if a couple couldn't get pregnant, and the man's semen test was normal, the problem lay with the woman. But it appears this is not always the case," Robertson said. The researchers plan to continue their work, which they hope will lead to improved treatments for infertility and miscarriages. http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/women-s-bodies-choosy-about-sperm-1.487820
Quote: However, your dislike does not overrule a woman's right to control her own body. And I'm stopping there, because I feel very strongly about this, not going to change my mind, and nothing I say will ever reach someone who thinks they can remove such a basic freedom from another human being.
Monday, August 20, 2012 7:17 AM
Quote:A campaign flub by a Republican Senate candidate shifted the political focus Monday to abortion and women's rights, as certain GOP nominee Mitt Romney and his conservative running mate faced a town hall-style meeting in New Hampshire. The comment by Akin, who won Missouri's Republican primary to take on incumbent Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill in November, drew immediate criticism from Democrats and some Republicans. In Massachusetts, U.S. Sen. Scott Brown called for Akin to drop out of the Missouri Senate race because of the "outrageous, inappropriate and wrong" comments. "There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking," said Brown, a moderate Republican in a tough re-election battle against Democrat Elizabeth Warren. "Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin's statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for U.S. Senate in Missouri." The Akin statement has forced the Romney campaign to distance itself from the GOP candidate in a key race, and also declare a definitive stance on one of the most volatile political issues of the day. The issue is particularly sensitive for Ryan, a devout Catholic and staunch anti-abortion politician who has previously expressed opposition to abortion in all cases except when the life of the mother is endangered. A Romney-Ryan campaign official, speaking on condition of not being identified, confirmed to CNN that Ryan's personal view opposes abortion in the case of rape. The campaign official said Ryan's stance differed with Romney's view, which was described in the statement Sunday and is the formal position of the GOP presidential ticket. Republican colleagues also criticized Akin. "As a pro-life conservative, a husband, and a father of two young women, I find Representative Akin's remarks to be offensive and reprehensible," said Rep. Denny Rehberg, a Republican candidate for a Montana seat in the U.S. Senate this year. "There is no such thing as a 'legitimate rape.' I condemn Representative Akin's statements in the strongest possible terms." A spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Campaign, Brian Walsh, said Akin "did the right thing by quickly correcting the record and acknowledging that he misspoke." The abortion focus comes in a week when the Romney team wanted to sharpen its focus on economic issues in the run-up to the Republican National Convention, which begins on August 27 in Tampa, Florida. Now, Romney and Ryan will face questions about the volatile abortion issue and women's rights, giving President Barack Obama and Democrats an opportunity to further strengthen their advantage with women voters -- a demographic that already favors them, according to the polls. Akin, a six-term U.S. congressman, touted his socially conservative values on the primary campaign trail. He opposes abortion in all circumstances and has said he also opposes the morning after pill, which he equates to abortion. McCaskill responded almost immediately to her opponent's comments Sunday, writing on Twitter: "As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases, I'm stunned by Rep Akin's comments about victims this AM." Akin was one of the first members of Congress to join the Tea Party Caucus in 2010 and has easily won re-election in recent years. The lawmaker has raised a notable $2.2 million this cycle, as of July 18. Before the new controversy, the top nonpartisan political handicappers had rated the Missouri race a "toss-up."
Monday, August 20, 2012 7:30 AM
Monday, August 20, 2012 7:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: People, especially politicians, ought to STFU when they don't know what they're talking about.
Quote: I don't know this turd, but he sounds like a complete idiot. He should be publically reprimanded in the House, and he should be removed from the ballot as a candidate.
Quote:I'm confident that even the toothless trogladytic Missouri Republican party leaders can find another sheep sodomizer to run against the incumbent Democrat.
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Akin let everyone know what he really believes -- that women are to blame for everything...Akin and his ilk seems to be after full control over every woman's womb, and thinks she ought to have nothing to say in the matter.
Quote: I feel very strongly about this, not going to change my mind, and nothing I say will ever reach someone who thinks they can remove such a basic freedom from another human being. (Not saying you take it that far, Hero. I don't know if you do or not. Don't really want to know, because I fear the worst.)
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:06 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: I'm still having a real hard time trying to grasp how a man, any man, could say "legitimate rape." I can't ever even recall hearing that terminology used during my 50+ years of life. "Legitimate rape"... it compels one to consider the absolutely insane concept of ...well what would ya call it?...NON-legitimate rape? ILL-legitimate rape? It's long past time for Republicans to get out of the sex business. There's yet to be one that speaks with anything resembling any understanding of the plight women have faced over the generations. From the Triangle Shirt factory fire to Roe-v-Wade, they're mostly all utterly clueless and embarassingly bad Jimmy Swaggert wannabees.
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: I'm still having a real hard time trying to grasp how a man, any man, could say "legitimate rape." I can't ever even recall hearing that terminology used during my 50+ years of life. "Legitimate rape"... it compels one to consider the absolutely insane concept of ...well what would ya call it?...NON-legitimate rape?
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: But that's not what Mr Aiken said. Nor did he even TRY to elaborate, which tells me that he didn't have a damn CLUE of what he was saying...
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:35 AM
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Of course, if this knowledge got out, Planned Parenthood would be out of business in a week!
Monday, August 20, 2012 11:20 AM
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:16 PM
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Heard him try to defend himself on Sean Hannity this afternoon, even I can't defend this douche.
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Heard him try to defend himself on Sean Hannity this afternoon, even I can't defend this douche. There IS no defense, but what did he say ? Did he mention anything I said ? Or was he just pitching the standard " I misspoke " crap, that any politician parrots, when ever they step knee deep into it ? All I can remember is yelling SHUT THE FUCK UP!! At the radio. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen " We're all just folk. " - Mal " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: I'm still having a real hard time trying to grasp how a man, any man, could say "legitimate rape." I can't ever even recall hearing that terminology used during my 50+ years of life. "Legitimate rape"... it compels one to consider the absolutely insane concept of ...well what would ya call it?...NON-legitimate rape? If you recall Whoppi Goldberg got in trouble by making a similar distinction bewteen rape and "rape-rape" when talking about a movie director who fled the country after getting accused (and later convicted of) drugging and raping a twelve-year old child. "Legitmate rape" could mean a lot of things. I think he means rape where the person is having non-consensual sex with an unwilling partner. Other kinds...child rape, statutory rape (15'll get you 20 even if your only 17). False accusations is another possibility...kinda goes hand in hand with the "regret" rapes. Then there are the weird ones...like where the dude can't perform or finish, or they are married, or somebody was misusing a turkey baster... But your right...its an odd phrase. H Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:45 PM
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Good thing I don't own a pitchfork. I'd be taking to the streets.
Monday, August 20, 2012 1:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: OMG. Might this be the first time EVER that everyone on RWED agrees about something? OK, maybe not on broader issues, but it seems that every poster so far is 100% behind the douche-ness of Akin. I didn't think I'd ever see the day.
Monday, August 20, 2012 1:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: If I were a GOP operative, I'd be slowly backing away, pressuring the guy to withdraw on his own, promising him that he won't get a single penny of party money or a scintilla of party help, all while looking just about anywhere for either a replacement candidate or a viable third-party candidate sympathetic to conservative ideals (Libertarian instead of Green party, for instance).
Monday, August 20, 2012 2:49 PM
Monday, August 20, 2012 3:19 PM
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:25 AM
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:02 AM
REDREAD
The poster formerly known as yinyang.
Quote:• The average uterus is "cash only." • When provoked or frightened, a uterus emits a high-pitched scream that instantly stuns its attacker. (Note: very useful in conjunction with the ovarian lasers.) • The natural enemies of the uterus are the locust, the hawk, the carpenter ant, and the witch. • It is possible to use a uterus to determine the nearest source of fresh water or magnetic North but not both. read more: http://www.theawl.com/2012/08/todd-akin-uterus-facts
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:18 AM
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:36 AM
Quote:Take Christian Life Resources, an educational site, for example. It reprints an 1999 article ( http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/rape-pregnancies-are-rare-461]) on the topic that seeks to make the same distinction between categories of rape as did Akin, and for the same reason. Wrote John C. Willke -- a physician who in the 1980s and early 1990s was president of the National Right to Life Committee -- in the piece, originally published in Life Issues Connector: Quote:When pro-lifers speak of rape pregnancies, we should commonly use the phrase "forcible rape" or "assault rape," for that specifies what we're talking about. Rape can also be statutory. Depending upon your state law, statutory rape can be consensual, but we're not addressing that here .... Assault rape pregnancies are extremely rare. .... What is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one knows, but this factor certainly cuts this last figure by at least 50 percent and probably more.An edited version of Willke's article appears on the website of Physicians for Life group under the headline, "Assault Rape Pregnancies Are Rare." The most medically ignorant paragraphs have been excised from this version of the story, though the headline has been strengthened to make the point plain. The canard had been floating around the right long before Willke wrote his piece. In 1995, 71-year-old North Carolina state Rep. Henry Aldridge gained national notoriety after telling the N.C. House Appropriations Committee, "The facts show that people who are raped -- who are truly raped -- the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work and they don't get pregnant. Medical authorities agree that this is a rarity, if ever." ( http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lawmaker-Says-Rape-Can-t-Cause-Pregnancy-3036411.php]) His argument came during a debate over "a proposal to eliminate a state abortion fund for poor women," according to the San Francisco Chronicle. In 1980, attorney James Leon Holmes wrote, in a letter arguing for a constitutional ban on abortion, "Concern for rape victims is a red herring because conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32206-2004Jul6.html]) He later apologized for his comment and was successfully nominated to a federal judgeship by George W. Bush in 2004, the inside-Washington controversy over his remarks notwithstanding. Today he serves as the chief judge of the Eastern District of Arkansas. In Pennsylvania, Republican state Rep. Stephen Freind asserted in 1988 that women rarely get pregnant from rape, because violent attacks cause temporary infertility. Reported the Philadelphia Daily News:Quote:The odds that a woman who is raped will get pregnant are "one in millions and millions and millions," said state Rep. Stephen Freind, R-Delaware County, the Legislature's leading abortion foe. The reason, Freind said, is that the traumatic experience of rape causes a woman to "secrete a certain secretion" that tends to kill sperm.Efforts to outlaw abortion and legislatively narrow the definition of rape to only the most violent assaults go hand in hand, as abortion opponents believe rape exceptions to abortion bans will be exploited by women to obtain abortions in an environment in which it is otherwise outlawed. Rape, therefore, needs to be defined differently -- to be defined more narrowly and to be defined, most critically, as something that does not result in pregnancy. You could see these conceptual gymnastics at work on the ground in Idaho earlier this year. Quote:The sponsor of an Idaho mandatory ultrasound bill, state Sen. Chuck Winder, made some highly controversial comments Monday during his closing arguments, suggesting women might falsely use rape as an excuse to obtain an abortion. Just before the Idaho's Senate passed the bill, which requires woman to have an ultrasound prior to obtaining an abortion, opponents of the bill pointed out that it makes no exception for rape victims, incest victims or women in medical emergencies. Winder, a Republican from Boise, responded to those concerns by raising the question of whether women understand when they have been raped. "Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this," Winder said on the Senate floor. "I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on."The most prominent example of the peculiar effort to downplay rape in order to decrease access to abortion cropped up in the U.S. Congress earlier this year. Sponsored by New Jersey Republican Chris Smith, H.R. 3, the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," would have rewritten the rape exception in federal abortion-funding bans from the language in the Hyde Amendment. Henceforth, according to the bill, there would be exemptions only for something called "forcible rape." (Presumably, this is the same thing Willke called "assault rape" and Akin called "legitimate rape," as opposed to what Willke called "consensual" "statutory" rape.) After a public outcry, Smith retreated from his first draft of the bill and reinstituted the Hyde language, though an additional provision was added later to clarify that the bill will "not allow the Federal Government to subsidize abortions in cases of statutory rape." Akin and Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan were co-sponsors of the bill, along with 225 others. The bill passed the House with all Republicans and 16 Democrats voting for it, but then died in the Democrat-controlled Senate. President Obama had pledged to veto the bill. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/a-canard-that-will-not-die-legitimate-rape-doesnt-cause-pregnancy/261303/
Quote:When pro-lifers speak of rape pregnancies, we should commonly use the phrase "forcible rape" or "assault rape," for that specifies what we're talking about. Rape can also be statutory. Depending upon your state law, statutory rape can be consensual, but we're not addressing that here .... Assault rape pregnancies are extremely rare. .... What is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one knows, but this factor certainly cuts this last figure by at least 50 percent and probably more.
Quote:The odds that a woman who is raped will get pregnant are "one in millions and millions and millions," said state Rep. Stephen Freind, R-Delaware County, the Legislature's leading abortion foe. The reason, Freind said, is that the traumatic experience of rape causes a woman to "secrete a certain secretion" that tends to kill sperm.
Quote:The sponsor of an Idaho mandatory ultrasound bill, state Sen. Chuck Winder, made some highly controversial comments Monday during his closing arguments, suggesting women might falsely use rape as an excuse to obtain an abortion. Just before the Idaho's Senate passed the bill, which requires woman to have an ultrasound prior to obtaining an abortion, opponents of the bill pointed out that it makes no exception for rape victims, incest victims or women in medical emergencies. Winder, a Republican from Boise, responded to those concerns by raising the question of whether women understand when they have been raped. "Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this," Winder said on the Senate floor. "I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on."
Quote: " Rape is never legitimate. It's an evil act committed by violent predators ", Akin said. I guess he really meant what he said THIS time.
Quote: “The good people of Missouri nominated me, and I’m not a quitter,” Akin told Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor who now hosts a radio show. “My belief is, we’re going to take this thing forward. And, by the grace of God, we’re going to win this race. To quote my old friend John Paul Jones, ‘I’ve not yet begun to fight.’?” He did not show up for a planned appearance with CNN’s Piers Morgan, who opened his show with an empty chair where Akin was supposed to be sitting.
Quote: Missouri Republican Todd Akin has begun moving toward ending his candidacy after his remarks on rape and abortion provoked a firestorm, a top Republican said. "Akin is taking concrete steps to withdraw by tomorrow at 5:00 p.m.," a senior Republican told BuzzFeed, adding that Akin could still change his mind. But a Republican close to Akin said his position hasn't changed: He's still in the race.
Quote: Not sure of the mechanisms for removing him from the ballot, but probably not possibly this late in the game unless he dies, withdraws on his own, or is convicted of some "high crime" or other.
Quote:Missouri state law allows a nominated candidate to withdraw his or her bid for office by 5 p.m. on the 11th Tuesday before the election which, as it turns out, is tomorrow. If Akin does drop his bid before tomorrow’s deadline, the state’s GOP central committee would pick his replacement.
Quote: But tomorrow is not the end-all and be-all. Missouri election law gurus tell me there are actually two time lines. Tomorrow at 5 p.m. is the deadline for the no fuss-no-muss withdrawal. But there is another opportunity as well. Sept. 25 is the deadline for withdrawal by court order. (That procedure includes the requirement that any costs for reprinting ballots be covered by the withdrawing candidate.) In either case, a replacement would be chosen by the state GOP central committee. Now would a court allow Akin to drop out after tomorrow? The statute reads that “if there is no additional cost for the printing or reprinting of ballots, or if the candidate agrees to pay any printing or reprinting costs, a candidate who has filed or is nominated for an office may, at any time after the time limits set forth in subsection 1 of this section but no later than 5:00 p.m. on the sixth Tuesday before the election, withdraw as a candidate pursuant to a court order, which, except for good cause shown by the election authority in opposition thereto, shall be freely given upon application by the candidate to the circuit court in the county of such candidate’s residence. No withdrawal pursuant to this subsection shall be effective until such candidate files a copy of the court’s order in the office of the official who accepted such candidate’s declaration of candidacy.” It is not clear what the basis for such a court order would be. But I expect the party could round up a favorable judge.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: "Legitmate rape" could mean a lot of things. I think he means rape where the person is having non-consensual sex.....
Quote:Other kinds...child rape,
Quote:False accusations is another possibility...kinda goes hand in hand with the "regret" rapes.
Quote:.like where the dude can't perform or finish,
Quote:or they are married,
Quote:or somebody was misusing a turkey baster...
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:04 AM
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:False accusations is another possibility...kinda goes hand in hand with the "regret" rapes. False accusations under any circumsances means that there is no rape.
Quote: Quote:.like where the dude can't perform or finish, never heard that described as rape
Quote: Quote:or they are married, so rape doesn't exist if you are married. Are we back to the dark ages where women are obliged to have sex because they are married? Pardon me, but your misogyny is starting to show.
Quote: Quote:or somebody was misusing a turkey baster... Now that is just weird
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:24 AM
Quote:They will attempt to distance themselves from the controversy. But they can't. They will even try to claim the whole conversation is a distraction from the "real issues." And yet they never shy away from using this same conversation to fire up their base, or hurl attack ads or raise funds. The truth is the "legitimate rape" comment made by U.S. Rep. Todd Akin -- as in pregnancy from "legitimate rape" is rare -- is not a GOP anomaly, but rather another disturbing glimpse into the viewpoint too many social conservatives have about women's health and reproductive rights. And if abortion is not among the "real issues," why is the GOP platform committee considering adding a ban, with no mention of exceptions ("GOP platform spoiler alert - no exception for rape, incest in abortion plank" http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/gop-platform-spoiler-alert-no-exception-rape-incest-abortion-plank]), to this year's to-do list? Last March, in a discussion in the Kansas House about whether women purchase separate abortion-only policies, Republican state Rep. Pete DeGraaf suggested women should plan ahead for rape the way he keeps a spare tire ( http://articles.kwch.com/2011-05-25/rights-groups_29584145]. A few weeks later, Indiana state Rep. Eric Turner, a Republican, said some women might fake being raped in order to get free abortions ( http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-03-31/news/29386489_1_strict-anti-abortion-bill-incest-procedure]). Former presidential hopeful Rick Santorum suggested doctors who perform an abortion on a woman who becomes pregnant from an attack should be thrown in jail and this year suggested rape victims who become pregnant from an attack should be forced to keep the baby and "make the best out of a bad situation" ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/20/pmt.01.html]). And we're to believe Akin is just a one-off. Please. More than 200 Republican members of Congress joined him in co-sponsoring House Resolution 3, the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, when it contained language restricting the exception for federally funded abortions to "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest." Forcible rape. That's not too far from "legitimate rape" So vice presidential hopeful Paul Ryan can try to backpedal away from Akin as fast as he can, but his name is still on the record in support of that bill, with that language. He can say he's in line with Mitt Romney and would not ban abortions in the case of rape, but it's his name attached to House Resolution 212: Sanctity of Human Life Act, which would have done just that. don't think for a second that social issues -- particularly abortion -- are not in the GOP's sights. Since the tea party helped pull the GOP back into power in 2010 -- under the guise of controlling government spending -- close to 1,000 anti-abortion bills have been introduced across the country. I can't think of anything approaching that number of bills with the goal of creating jobs in that same time span, can you? At a Personhood USA "tele-town hall meeting" in December, Santorum, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry all said they would work to outlaw all abortions, regardless of the circumstances. You can fully expect a Republican Congress to move quickly to ban all abortions, regardless of circumstances. And given that a would-be President Romney said, "I will protect a woman's right to choose," when he was running for Massachusetts governor in 2002, only to become an anti-abortion advocate while running for president, there's no telling which side of the issue he will fall on, on any given day. Some social conservatives talk of protecting religious freedom, but what they are really seeking is a theocracy that places limits on freedom based on a version of Judeo-Christianity that fits their liking. That language is also being considered for the GOP's national platform. Some speak of fighting abortion because of their religious convictions and then belittle the trauma caused by rape. They think they can make this controversy all about Akin, as if Ryan's legislative history is just going to disappear. As if DeGraaf never suggested women should plan ahead for rape the way he keeps a spare tire. As if none of us are paying attention. But we are. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/opinion/granderson-gop-rape-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Even Akin's restatement is in essence the same statement! "Rape is never legitimate. It's an evil act committed by violent predators." So that would likely exclude first time offenders/date rapists, husbands, etc. It's all "stranger danger" boloney. The rapist hiding in the bushes. I'd say it's an evil act, definitely, but it is committed by "friends" and relatives often as not. His misspeaking is all in the words he used, his message remains the same, if slightly occulted for the sake of politics. And he is fooling no one. HKCavalier
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