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Agencies scramble to devise plan to house homeless during DNC

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:31 AM

AURAPTOR

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A last-minute plan to house the homeless who might be displaced during the Democratic National Convention has many in the faith community scrambling for volunteers.

A group of agencies that work with the poor are concerned that Charlotte’s homeless population could rise by 150 people a night because extended-stay motels are raising prices for the convention, making them unaffordable options for poor families.

Paul Hanneman, program director for Charlotte’s Urban Ministry Center, sent an email last Friday to dozens of churches, synagogues and other agencies that normally shelter the homeless during winter months as part of the Room In The Inn program.

Hanneman wrote that at least 150 beds – a “best guesstimate” – could be needed each night from Aug. 24 through Sept. 7, the day after the DNC ends.

“These … include people who are homeless and sleeping in center city Charlotte, and families living in motels who are being displaced before and during the DNC,” Hanneman wrote in his email.

Alice Wirz is a co-coordinator of the Room In The Inn program at St John’s Baptist in the Elizabeth neighborhood southeast of uptown. Wirz said the church plans to be open to the homeless on two Fridays, Aug. 31 and Sept. 7.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/08/08/3453871/agencies-scramble-
to-devise-plan.html


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Great set up the Dems have for themselves. First, N. Carolina is a right to work state, which has Big Labor fuming at the " union free " convention. It is the least unionized state in the union. Then, they vote to ban same sex marriage. Now ? Poor families are being forced out of their extended stay motel rooms because rates are increasing for the period of time while the Democratic convention is taking place...

But this IS the party for the little guy, after all.

Isn't it ?

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So how did the GOP go about housing the homeless in Tampa?


Is that what you're pissed about? People actually trying to find places for the homeless to stay? I know you hate it when people try to help the less fortunate, or "leeches" as you Randroids refer to them.



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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:29 PM

NIKI2

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They won't have to worry about housing the homeless in Tampa, Mike (not that they would anyway); they'll all be staying at ritzy places the homeless wouldn't be able to afford NORMALLY anyway. Or on yachts. It's hysterical that Raptor finds this some kind of diss at the Dems. Yeah, we're not all rich like the Repubs, so we can only afford extended-stay places to go to our conventions. Not like we have billion-dollar yachts from the Caymans (where we hide all our money) to stay in.

Also funnier than hell that he blames the Dems for the OWNERS of those places raising prices. Yup, a vast left-wing conspiracy it is, to raise prices and kick out homeless to make an exhorbidant profit. Obviously capitalist greed is a conspiracy from the left! You betcha. Bet he thinks the government should step in and keep the motel owners from raising prices, the bloody socialist!

Sure twisted himself into a pretzel on THAT one!


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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:35 PM

WHOZIT


One way bus tickets to Fresno may work.

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:09 PM

AURAPTOR

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Yeah, Niki. I do find it funny as hell. That Dems, the so called caring party, the folks who look out for the little guy, would be instrumental in kicking out poor families from their extended stay motels so they can party it up for their convention.

"We're not all rich like the Republicans "

That's a laugh. What makes you think the GOP are all 'rich' too ?

It's just funny at how this story is spun, and were the shoe on the other foot, all things exactly the same, the media would be LIVID , and be trashing the GOP for being responsible here. But because it's the Dems.... we get a fluffy, feel goody story about community outreach programs to help the poor.




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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


In Tampa, they made it illegal to feed the homeless.


Rappy has yet to show any evidence that "the Dems" have conspired to raise prices and kick people out of hotels. Can you PROVE that all those hotels that raised prices or kicked anyone out are all owned by Democrats?

Or is this just another one of your patented fact-free "claims"?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In Tampa, they made it illegal to feed the homeless.



Cite?

But I think it's sad that you'd equate " the homeless " to wild or caged animals. Pity.

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Rappy has yet to show any evidence that "the Dems" have conspired to raise prices and kick people out of hotels. Can you PROVE that all those hotels that raised prices or kicked anyone out are all owned by Democrats?



I never once claimed anyone "conspired". Never once claimed they were OWNED by Democrats, did I ?

Nope.

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Or is this just another one of your patented fact-free "claims"?



Nothing I said is 'fact free', in the least. Once again, you're lying. Then holding others to account for your lies.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In Tampa, they made it illegal to feed the homeless.



Cite?

But I think it's sad that you'd equate " the homeless " to wild or caged animals. Pity.




http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/aug/12/tampa-tells-group-to-sto
p-feeding-homeless-downtow-ar-249957
/

There you go, son. I've provided more cites in this thread than you have.

Where do you get the idea that I'm equating homeless people to "wild or caged animals", anyway? I pity you for thinking of them that way, but it's obvious that you do.


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Rappy has yet to show any evidence that "the Dems" have conspired to raise prices and kick people out of hotels. Can you PROVE that all those hotels that raised prices or kicked anyone out are all owned by Democrats?



I never once claimed anyone "conspired". Never once claimed they were OWNED by Democrats, did I ?

Nope.



Your words right here:

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Yeah, Niki. I do find it funny as hell. That Dems, the so called caring party, the folks who look out for the little guy, would be instrumental in kicking out poor families from their extended stay motels so they can party it up for their convention.



So you call the Democrats "instrumental in kicking out poor families", but you don't consider that a conspiracy? You say the Dems are kicking people out of THEIR hotels, so that certainly seems to indicate that you think Dems own those hotels, if those are THEIR hotels.


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Or is this just another one of your patented fact-free "claims"?



Nothing I said is 'fact free', in the least. Once again, you're lying. Then holding others to account for your lies.




Dude, you've been caught lying so many times on this site, it's just ridiculous.

As for your fact-free claims, I'm mocking you, you dipshit. You've gone on rants about the difference between facts and claims, insisting that claims don't need any facts to support them. And I've noticed that you rarely provide anything even close to facts to support any of your claims. I'm not the only one who's noticed that, of course.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Do you have ANY cites for this "claim" of yours?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:17 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Dude, you've been caught lying so many times on this site, it's just ridiculous.



I've never lied here, once, ergo, I've not been CAUGHT lying. It's pretty simple, really.

This is an example of you catching me 'lying' ...

You say the Dems are kicking people out of THEIR hotels, so that certainly seems to indicate that you think Dems own those hotels, if those are THEIR hotels.

I never said 'hotels'. You misquoted me, that makes YOU a liar.

Seriously dude, the contorted, upside down logic you invent , just so you can say you 'nailed' me or some such of lying, is really pathological. Seek professional help.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, gawd, it's to laugh. The Dems are OBVIOUSLY "instrumental in kicking out poor families from their extended stay motels so they can party it up for their convention" because motel owners chose to raise prices to make an extra profit off the convention! Wow, talk about convoluted. If it weren't SO vitally necessary for him to find SOMETHING to blame the left about, he might have noticed that it was the owners of the motels who upped the prices and that most likely no Democrat even KNEW that was happening! Boggles the MIND how desperate his convoluted twists and turns wrap around themselves. hhttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/Nikovich_/Emoticons/NoRollEyes.gif

Try, I dare you, TRY to show how the Democrats had anything whatsoever to do with the motel owners raising prices and "kicking out" the homeless, or were even "instrumental" in it. I dare you.

What's even MORE amusing is that if this were the Republican convention, Raptor would be defending what happened as "free enterprise" and offering kudos to the motel owners while dissing the people being pushed out because they can't afford the higher prices as bums. Probably all on welfare, food stamps, SOME socialist Democrat agenda. You just KNOW he would be, wouldn't he?

Okay, that's enough fun for now, I'm dangerously close to actually ENGAGING Raptor ...time to walk away chortling and have dinner.

So long Thanx for the laugh.


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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:28 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooo, ooo, ooo...while we're playing "Democrats' convention is awful for the homeless", how about we check out the other one?
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Security in Tampa, Florida, surrounding the Republican National Convention has created hassles for everyone who lives and works in the city.

And for the city's large homeless population, the convention presents a major disruption in an already tenuous existence.

With its ordinarily fair weather and capacious convention and hotel facilities - not to mention Florida's prized 29 electoral votes, out of 270 needed to win the White House - Tampa presented an attractive option for Republican Party convention planners.

But the city also has the highest rate of homelessness in America, according to the National Alliance to End Homelessness.

About half those people told surveyors they became homeless for financial reasons - including the area's high unemployment and real estate prices. Only 7% cited drugs or alcohol.

Less than a mile and a half from the convention's catered lunches, lobbyists' cocktail hours and media scrums, on Wednesday dozens of homeless men and women were milling about the Salvation Army emergency shelter north of downtown.

The shelter, which is ordinarily shuttered during daylight hours, had been opened as an emergency refuge where the homeless could store their belongings and stay out of the way of thousands of police officers - as well as the thousands of Republican politicos and journalists who swarmed into the city for the convention.

'No riff-raff'

"They don't want to be on the streets," said Steve Vick, general manager of the Salvation Army of Hillsborough County. "Imagine if you're downtown with a big bag on your back."

In interviews in Tampa this week, homeless men and women reported increased pressure and hostility from downtown police as the convention came to town.

And they said many of the locations where they typically rest, pass the time and search for jobs have been rendered off limits behind the security cordon.

Ernest Grandison, a US Army veteran homeless since January, said the pressure from police had increased in recent weeks. Before the security ratcheted up for the convention, police would let him be, he said.

"Now," said Mr Grandison, "if you stop to rest on a bench, they pull up and say, 'you need to leave'."

Mr Grandison said the security cordon has added an extra 90 minutes to his walk to a church near downtown that serves a hearty breakfast on Sundays.

"Other places that feed, you can't get there no more," he said. "If we go to these places, we get stopped by the police: 'Where you going? What you doing?'"

In interviews, homeless people recited a litany of inconveniences that seem far more profound than those suffered by middle-class Tampa residents during the convention.

Two downtown public libraries - where homeless men and women pass time during the day reading, resting or using the computers to search for jobs - are closed this week.

A downtown park along the waterfront has been requisitioned by the city of Tampa to throw parties for convention-goers, ejecting the homeless people who hang out there.

"You're bringing in tens of thousands of people into our downtown area where homeless people do live," said Lesa Weikel, community relations manager for the Homeless Coalition of Hillsborough County.

Tampa shelters and support organisations have responded to the increased pressure on the homeless, though they have been offered no public support for doing so.

"We're full all the time now," said Pastor Tom Atchison, founder of New Beginnings, a homeless services organisation.

"We're overflowing because they're being tough on the homeless downtown. They've spent millions of dollars in Tampa on decorations and security, and they didn't make any provision for the folks who are disenfranchised."

Ms Molina-Abella offered advice to her fellow homeless people as they bide their time until the convention closes on Friday: "Don't let them see you sitting in a park with your bags - they will come and harass you."
Gawd DAMN, those Republicans are being downright VICIOUS to the homeless!
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On Sunday, Tiffany Johnson and her boyfriend were trying to sleep in a downtown park when they were rousted by Tampa police. The cops gave them a stern wake-up call: Not only were they barred from the park, but they were not welcome anywhere near the Republican National Convention. In other words, they had to start walking.

"We had to get our stuff, and then we had to go a mile away or whatever from the facility, the area that was having the convention," Johnson, 30, told The Huffington Post in an interview outside Trinity Cafe, a Tampa soup kitchen. "I really didn't approve of it. We didn't have nowhere else to go."

In the Trinity lunch line, homeless residents rattled off a similar set of warnings that have been passed around by word of mouth: You can't wear a backpack. You can't be caught walking around deep within the sprawling security zone. The out-of-town cops brought in for the convention might be OK, but you have to watch out for the Tampa police. The cops are handing out trespassing charges like free water.

The Tampa Police Department did not return a request for comment.

The convention has cost the homeless not just regular sleeping spots and peace of mind. In some cases, it has cost them their belongings. Cole said that just prior to the convention, city garbage collectors showed up with a police escort. They moved down the street throwing away any belongings left unattended. In one instance, he said, a woman claimed her possessions but the city workers tossed them anyway.

It hasn't just cleared out people's possessions. It has kept away support services and outreach workers who would normally visit to offer aid. Although the local government has received millions in public money to host the convention, Cole suggested that none of it has trickled down to the residents who need it most. Tampa, the largest city in the county, had promised to hand out 10-day vouchers to stay at the Good Samaritan Inn, several blocks from Trinity, during the convention, Cole said. But he hasn't seen them.

John Watson, the Good Samaritan Inn's owner, said that there were no vouchers. A man and his pregnant girlfriend had shown up recently with a voucher, Watson said. But soon after, county officials called to cancel it. He offered the boyfriend a room anyway. The girlfriend was able to sleep on a couch across the street at a small women's shelter known as the Annex.

Phyllis Brown, 58, the assistant house mother at the Annex, said the woman appeared to be four months pregnant. She stayed just one night. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/tampa-homeless-rnc_n_1837595.
html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
my gawd, those HORRIBLE Republicans! Kicking a 4-month-pregnant woman out on the streets! Will it never end?!?!

Want more? Sorry,




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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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The girlfriend was able to sleep on a couch across the street at a small women's shelter known as the Annex.


No one was kicked out onto the streets. The couple had JUST arrived, and weren't already living there as was the case up in Charlotte.

Also, the low income folks displaced by the Dems weren't free loaders, but paying customers of the extended stay motels.

Really no comparison. But nice try, Niki.

( Actually, bad try, as you failed, miserably. )


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Dude, you've been caught lying so many times on this site, it's just ridiculous.



I've never lied here, once, ergo, I've not been CAUGHT lying. It's pretty simple, really.

This is an example of you catching me 'lying' ...

You say the Dems are kicking people out of THEIR hotels, so that certainly seems to indicate that you think Dems own those hotels, if those are THEIR hotels.

I never said 'hotels'. You misquoted me, that makes YOU a liar.




Ah, I see. So you think the homeless can really make maximum use of the parking that *motels* provide? Or are you talking about all the other vast differences between hotels and motels?

Do you deny that you said Dems are kicking people out of THEIR *motels*, then? Simple yes or no will suffice.

And if I got a single letter wrong, that makes me a liar, according to you. So when you claimed that Obama had "interjected himself into the bios of EVERY President", you were lying by saying that? I mean, you were off by 29 of 44 Presidents, after all, meaning you were well under half right.


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Seriously dude, the contorted, upside down logic you invent , just so you can say you 'nailed' me or some such of lying, is really pathological. Seek professional help.



Right back atchya, chimpy. Look how many contortions you've gone through just in this thread alone!







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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Do you deny that you said Dems are kicking people out of THEIR *motels*, then? Simple yes or no will suffice.


Sorry, not gonna play your game. What I said is right up the page for you to read. That you can't UNDERSTAND simple words put in order to form sentences, not my problem.

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And if I got a single letter wrong, that makes me a liar, according to you. So when you claimed that Obama had "interjected himself into the bios of EVERY President", you were lying by saying that? I mean, you were off by 29 of 44 Presidents, after all, meaning you were well under half right.


No, I was mimicking YOU, and YOUR apparent standards for calling others liars. When someone posts things like Obama interjecting himself into the l bios of former Presidents... that he does it at ALL is the point, not if it's 1/3, 1/2 or every one. You hyper expand on trivialities, and try to claim that if all details aren't entirely accurate, then they're 100% wrong. It's beyond asinine.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:08 AM

NIKI2

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Great set up the Dems have for themselves. Now? Poor families are being forced out of their extended stay motel rooms because rates are increasing for the period of time while the Democratic convention is taking place
There, word for word. Connecting the two makes abundantly clear what he is saying, and it's a lie, simple as that. Motel owners raising prices has nothing to do with Dems having a "setup" and he knows it, it was just convenient to say so. Arguing that he didn't say Dems were kicking them out (when he inferred it quite clearly) and arguing "hotel" v. "motel"? Picking out one example of what's happening in Tampa to refute? Truly pathetic twisting and turning.

So how about the Repub Convention and how IT'S affecting the homeless? I note he has nothing to say on that scroe. Fun to watch him keep pretzeling himself...


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Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16 AM

STORYMARK


People are still talking to Rappy as if he's a person with a functioning brain. How's that workin?


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:42 AM

CATPIRATE


I thought the Paki muslim brown people who own American motels and motor lodges wouldn't kick the African bleck people out because their registered democrats. No discount but the good side is you won't lay your head on curry smelling pillow sheets.

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