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GOP beginning to panic?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Caveat: It's WAY too early for anyone to panic, anything can happen in the last two months.

Nonetheless, it seems some in the GOP are panicking anyway:
Quote:

Don’t panic, Romney pollster tells supporters in memo

Worry about President Obama’s post-convention bounce led internal pollster Neil Newhouse to reassure: ‘"While some voters will feel a bit of a sugar-high from the conventions, the basic structure of the race has not changed significantly.’

The Republican candidate's camp released a memo from its internal pollster on Monday telling supporters not to panic about the latest polls — which led some to speculate that Romney's advisers are the ones panicking.

Political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia agreed in a Tweet that that convention bounces “don't usually last and are more like artificial sweeteners than sugar.”

“But if you don't get [one], there's a problem,” he added.

And Josh Putnam, a visiting assistant professor of political science at Davidson College, suggested that the Romney campaign is grasping for good news.

“The Romney campaign polling memo from Newhouse feels a lot like some of those March/April memos from [former Republican candidate Rick] Santorum regarding delegate math,” Putnam tweeted.

“Don’t know that it is nearly so bad for Team Romney, but it is in the same ballpark,” he said.

Newhouse’s memo followed a Public Policy Polling survey that found Obama at 50 percent in the key battleground state of Ohio — five points ahead of Romney.

The Romney campaign got more bad news Monday, when the Obama camp announced it had topped the GOP’s fundraising haul for the first time since April.

The president’s campaign, combined with the Democratic National Committee, raised more than $114 million in August, compared with $111.6 million raised by Romney and the GOP.

The numbers also showed that the Romney camp burned through even more than it raised in August, lowering its cash on hand to $168.5 million at the end of August, from $185.9 million at the end of July. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/panic-romney-pollster-tells-s
upporters-memo-article-1.1156149
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Well, the fundraising numbers don't mean shit, as I'm sure there are PACs and big-money donors just waiting to slather the networks near the end, but it's not a good sign when the PEOPLE don't contribute as much:
Quote:

In a statement, Campaign Manager Jim Messina said the Obama campaign grew its donor base “substantially” in August and celebrated the impact of small donations.

Messina said the fundraising was "Fueled by contributions from more than 1.1 million Americans donating an average of $58 — more than 317,000 who had never contributed to the campaign before.")

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Mitt Romney is enjoying at least the fourth public loss of confidence by conservative elites since winning the nomination. The first came in June when Rupert Murdoch and others complained that he was not taking the fight to Barack Obama. Then in July, he was faulted for thinking he could skate to victory by running only as the anti-Obama. Then in early August, GOP veteran voices again counseled against the passive campaign and urged Romney to be bold by picking a vice president with some substance. Now the fever arrives again from a variety of conservative quarters that he is not giving voters a reason to vote for him.

If you were a medicine man, you might notice that the fever comes on hardest at the start of every month. Perhaps it is triggered by soft monthly jobs reports. The view may be that given the persistently glum economic news, even an area rug could beat the incumbent. Romney should be doing better, so: panic.

At the heart of the critique are two points: Romney is not taking the fight to Obama and he's being too vague about what he would do as president. The first seems wrong. Romney's welfare ads are tough. The "you didn't build that" criticism has been persistent and hard. Paul Ryan has traded away his reputation as a policy wonk and become an attack dog. That's an expensive trade. Romney is not slow on the attack. When the Democratic platform omitted any mention of God, Romney accused Obama of taking Him off the dollar bill. Perhaps what people like Donald Trump want is for Romney to make personal attacks the way the Obama team does. That's possibly dangerous. More voters have an unfavorable view of Romney than favorable, so Romney is probably wise to not go as far as the Donald would like. (Life rule: It's generally a good idea to stop short of what Donald Trump thinks you should do.)

There is more merit to the knock on Romney's vagueness. If Romney doesn't get more specific, they may not find him appealing enough to leave Obama. That would be bad for Romney and Republicans, of course, but there may also be a way in which Romney's lack of specificity is bad for everyone. If Romney doesn't get more specific, whichever party wins will have no mandate for governing. If Romney wins, his lack of specificity will mean he has no mandate. If Obama wins, Republicans will conclude that the president didn't prevail in a contest of ideas; he simply defeated a bad politician, which will make them no more likely to cooperate with him.

When Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan he put the doubters into remission. For a moment, they thought he was going to get specific and run on the ideas that Ryan championed. Romney and his aides sold the decision this way, too. But this was not to be. As George W. Bush's speechwriter Michael Gerson writes, "Romney's message is untouched by his running mate's revolutionary fiscal realism. Romney chose Ryan, not Ryanism."

Romney's advisers and the candidate himself have long believed that actual specifics are deadly. All they do is give your opponent an opportunity to attack you. Why do that when you're still out-polling by double digits among independent voters and down by just a point or two in the polls overall? That is a reasonable view.

The "you're so vague" complaint may be an attempt to put a label on a longstanding and harder to categorize challenge that has clung to the Romney candidacy: He can't close the deal. In the primaries, he had a hard time knocking much weaker rivals like Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich out of the race. Now he's having a harder time of it against Obama, a weak president whose campaign is not terribly inspiring.

If Obama wins, Romney's lack of specifics will rob Obama of the leverage he might gain from truly vanquishing the GOP's ideas. Republicans will conclude that Romney lost because he was a bad candidate and didn't sell conservative principles. There will be no reason to back down in future fights with the president because the ideas undergirding their beliefs won't have been discredited by a Romney loss--only Romney will have been discredited. Tea Party activists will draw this conclusion as well. The ideas didn't lose; the candidate did, in part because he didn't stand up loud and proud for conservative ideas. Any Republican politicians who compromise with the president or backs down on conservative principles will have a target on their back in the next election cycle. Anyone who shrinks from a fight will be considered no better than Mitt Romney. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57510935-503544/mitt-romney-pan
ic-syndrome/
, I hope not that last part. If we go through four more years of the Party of No, this country will really be fucked! Still and all, it looks like a number of their own pundits are worried:
Quote:

Nervous Republicans: So much for Ryan pick

Numerous Republican pundits are lamenting Mitt Romney’s return to cautious campaigning after the bold choice of Rep. Paul Ryan.

The House Budget Chairman was seen by some as a truth-teller who would bring serious policy discussion to the race. Instead, Romney and Ryan have both largely avoided policy details – frustrating conservative pundits.

The hand-wringing comes among multiple polls showing President Obama ahead following the conventions, although a Washington Post-ABC News survey released Tuesday finds that among likely voters the race remains deadlocked. Romney’s campaign has argued that Obama’s bounce is short-lived and “the basic structure of the race has not changed significantly.”

Bill Kristol in the Weekly Standard: ]quote]Romney gained some ground when he chose Paul Ryan. But now he seems to be back to a pre-Ryan sort of campaign. When a challenger merely appeals to disappointment with the incumbent and tries to reassure voters he’s not too bad an alternative, that isn’t generally a formula for victory.


Standard columnist Stephen Hayes, on Fox News:
Quote:

“I feel like now we’ve sort of reverted to this pre-Ryan moment — this safe, cautious campaign.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York quotes an (anonymous) Republican:
Quote:

“I thought the Ryan choice was a clear announcement of a new strategy,” says one well-connected Republican not associated with the campaign. “But what seems to have happened is the campaign has drifted back to the position that this is just a referendum on Barack Obama. At some point, you have to earn the presidency.”

The Romney strategy seems unlikely to change. As the Post’s Michael Gerson — another Republican critic — notes, “What initially seemed like an ideological choice — previewing a shift in campaign strategy and content — now seems like a more personal decision … Romney chose Ryan, not Ryanism.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/11/republ
icans-paul-ryan-didnt-change-anything/


Okay, so I'm enjoying it. Sue me.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:34 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


If you ever smell smoke in a crowded theatre, the worst thing you can say is, "Don't panic, but--" Guaranteed result is chaos and rats deserting the sinking ship. I've seen several pundits lately telling Mitt to abandon the nut-jobs, move to the center, be smart and sensible. Otherwise he's going to be Goldwater 2012.

But as you point out in the other thread, he can't do that. The loud-mouths among the nut cases won't let him, but INSIST on stirring up extremist social issue problems, and making him pledge fidelity to their agenda.

Reminds me of the time Tennessee tried to legislate the value of pi to be equal to 3! ( integer), in honor of the Holy Trinity. Because God was in 3 forms, his most perfect creation, the circle, had to be a ratio of 3! to 1 to celebrate him. Never mind that you could measure it with tools and items available in any common household, and get an answer of 3.14+ something. But a Holy Trinity could not possibly be equal to 3 & 1/7, and faith had to overrule, once somebody with faith pointed out the concept.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


SERIOUSLY?!?! That's amazing, I never heard about it, and it blows my mind. Some of these people...well, what can you say?


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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The Pi story, while funny, is an urban myth.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp


It *sounds* like something the GOP would do, but these days it is becoming increasingly hard to tell an Onion headline from a GOP talking point or quote...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Boy, you got that right. I would change "right-wing fringe" for "GOP", tho'; in my opinion the GOP leaders aren't that dumb, they just know their BASE is (and how to manipulate that stupidity).

I'm glad to hear it didn't really happen, tho'...shows you how far down they've come that it seems almost possible...


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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW



Panic? Nah, of course Romney is going to lose. Everyone I know knows it. It already permeates our collective consciousness. That prediction was actually envisioned and promulgated by none other than conservative author Ann Coulter two years ago. She said back then that "Romney will be the nominee, and he will lose." She strongly supported Christie in those days to run for President, but now she supports Romney of course. I wonder how she felt when Christie totally fucked up and gave the single worst Keynote Address in recorded history? Heck, four years'll come around soon enough. Next time they should nominate Boehner's tanning salon matron's cousin...Rita Diablo-Diaz. Might help improve the numbers for the GOP nominee with women, Hispanics, and Jersey Shore goers.









Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:10 PM

WHOZIT


Title of this thread should be, "DNC whistling threw a graveyard". After what's been going on in the middle east Barry may resign.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:22 PM

PENGUIN


Sarah's here to help!

Sarah Palin to Mitt Romney: Make attacks 'personal'


Sarah Palin says Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign should be “severely aggressive” in attacking President Barack Obama as “incompetent” and a “socialist.”

Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly asked the former Alaska governor on Tuesday if Romney’s campaign — which has come under fire from Republicans — needs to go after Obama in a “more personal way” and use buzzwords like “incompetent, dangerous, socialist.”

“Those aren’t just buzzwords,” said Palin. “Those are accurate descriptions of the commander in chief.”

“He should be very aggressive, and he should be adamant in his attacks on Obama’s record, which is so dismal, his plan, or lack of a plan of Obama’s, to get his out of these woeful times,” Palin continued. “He needs to be severely aggressive.”

Palin also said she agreed with conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham, who suggested earlier this week the GOP should disband if they aren’t able to defeat Obama.

“I couldn’t have said it better myself,” Palin said, adding that the Republicans need to make the choice clear in this election between “free stuff and freedom.”






King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Of course, Sarah Palin also wants to know why anyone should know who the heck she is...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:02 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Title of this thread should be, "DNC whistling threw a graveyard". After what's been going on in the middle east Barry may resign.



I'm sure everyone here is utterly shocked that the village idiot can't spell "through," or for that matter be aware that Romney is leading in exactly no polls.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:17 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The Pi story, while funny, is an urban myth.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp


It *sounds* like something the GOP would do, but these days it is becoming increasingly hard to tell an Onion headline from a GOP talking point or quote...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."


I disagree.I searched for " pi = 3" to validate the claim yesterday morning. Found several links, including the one at snopes, that you give. Also found where the guy in Indiana ( not Tennessee or Alabama, forgive me for that error.)tried to push it thru some commerce committee there. He failed, but they cited his name and the committee. Also found links to several states that have tried to legislate the same thing , before or since.

Also found references to the biblical story of Solomon's "sea" in the temple: 10 cubits across and 30 cubits around. The bible literalists,and fundies, who hold that every word in the Bible is absolute literal, inerrant TRUTH, have worn themselves out trying to rationalize that one away.

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Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Seriously. Shit, and here I was hoping it WAS an urban legend, that nobody could truly be THAT stupid. Then again, any party which accepts it's candidate's team saying they're not going to let fact checkers get in the way will no doubt buy ANYTHING.

But that...really weird!

As to Whatzit, he's never worth responding to and his illiterate grasp of the English language has been shown so many times it's not even worth noting anymore.


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Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"GOP beginning to panic?"


BEGINNING TO?!






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, September 14, 2012 7:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I know, but5 Obama having slight leads virtually everywhere (plus Romney's bad summer, plus Ryan not turning things around, plus Romney sticking his foot in his mouth on foreign policy) has apparently brought it to the fore. Fun to watch.


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