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Regarding death threats...

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Saturday, November 24, 2012 15:32
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Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


In the "war of words" over death threats, I'd like to add this:
Quote:

While the Secret Service ultimately agreed that Jacksonville, Fla., Det. Sam Koivisto was kidding when he suggested to fellow cops that he’d gladly volunteer for an Obama assassination mission, the loose talk led the 26-year veteran to retire six months earlier than planned, saying that “it’s best for everybody.”

In the final weeks of Election 2012, a whirlwind of anonymous online threats emerged against both President Obama and GOP candidate Mitt Romney. But Mr. Koivisto’s early retirement marks at least the third time in the past six months that the Secret Service looked into police officers making threats against the president. In all cases, the threats did not meet the legal standard of a “true threat,” and no charges were filed. But in all three, the comments led to employment termination.

In Richmond, Va., two officers were fired for comments made before an event that included the president and first lady. One said: “You can take a couple of shots. You might have to kill yourself, but you can take a couple of shots,” to which another added, “Yeah, somebody should plant a bomb underneath the stage while they’re on there and blow it up.”

In Washington, another police officer was fired this summer for joking about shooting first lady Michelle Obama. "There's no room for jokes or frivolity when you're dealing with the first family," DC Mayor Vincent Gray said at the time.

In Koivisto’s case, he admitted to telling colleagues after the election that, “If an order was given to kill Obama or something, then I wouldn’t mind being the guy.” He also told investigators that he would not be concerned if a nuclear bomb hit the Northeast and “killed them all,” since he perceived most of them as Obama supporters.

“That’s not saying I’m going to do it or would do it, and that’s never going to happen,” he told colleagues, who nevertheless were concerned enough to report the statements.

The election of Obama as America’s first black president raised particular concerns about the possibility of assassination attempts. Since 2007, the Secret Service has disrupted several assassination conspiracies – including some involving white nationalists – and arrested dozens of people who have made less-than-idle threats against the president.

Before the election, there were reports from various parts of the country of chairs “lynched” from trees in reference to Clint Eastwood’s “empty chair” speech about Obama at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla. Near Dothan, Ala., an effigy of Obama with a sign that said “Pray 4 Assassin” sat outside a home for the month running up to the election. It was removed after the Secret Service responded. More at http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/1123/Death-threats-against-O
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Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:38 AM

BYTEMITE


On one hand, it's creepy that we have an organization with the initials SS, who can respond that quickly.

But being okay with nukes hitting the northeast? These people have PROBLEMS. Less to say about the chair lynchings and effigies as an anti-authoritarian, but I also note that they're targeting a person with a family, even the family itself. I'm not sure at what point political parties became about not even who is and isn't American, but who is and isn't HUMAN.

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:05 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Why not nuke the NE and shoot Obama, since Pentagon's Operation Northwoods planned bombing DC and shot JFK in front of a police station, and every day 1000s of US soldiers practice nuking US military bases in controlled demolitions.

If Hussein Obama were arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to death for all his heinous crimes, I would gladly apply for the govt job as his executioner.

Quote:

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of terrorism within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4242016437813472857&hl=en
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://bodyofsecrets.com

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job. Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford."
—David Ruppe, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident. It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared. A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."
—Jewish Zionist General Lyman Lemnitzer, chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara - Subject" target="_BLANK">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf">Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962 (declassifed 2000, now a public record at US" target="_BLANK">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/">US National Security Archives at George Washington University in Washington DC)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/



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Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:06 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Good one PN. Your multiple death threats against the U.S. president have been noted.

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:49 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I'm not sure at what point political parties became about not even who is and isn't American, but who is and isn't HUMAN.


When they began, which is why some of the founding fathers hated the very notion, considering them despicable.

Seriously, read some 1700's campaign editorials and literature, you'll find that the rhetoric and whatnot really HASN'T changed all that much, just become a little more passive-aggressive to duck around libel/slander laws.

-F

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 3:32 PM

BYTEMITE


Hmm. True.

Thought really while they had issues between them like Adams and his sedition tyranny, I think it may have been around the time of the civil war that the system truly fell apart and people of either party became willing to kill each other. It was a gradual build up to that point, and there have been more congenial periods since then, but perhaps the standard baseline for partisan hatred IS civil war.

I would like to see Obama charged for his crimes in the Middle East, as I would other politicians. I would have to see evidence of crimes as bad as Obama's on Michelle's part to justify charging her. I can't justify charging their children.

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