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Poverty in the USA

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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


"...Peter Edelman, a professor at Georgetown University and an expert on poverty, but, he tells Raz, there is a lot to worry about.

"One reason is we're still in a recession," Edelman says. "We've had a change in our economy over the last 40 years that has produced a flood of low-wage jobs."

One half of all jobs in the U.S. today now pay less than $35,000 a year. Adjusted for inflation, that's one of the lowest rates for American workers in five decades.

There's a common perception that somebody who's poor or living below the poverty level is lazy or simply living off government handouts. Edelman says the actual average poor person is working.

"And working as hard as she or he possibly can," he says. "And particularly in the recession, not able to get work or steady work. There are certainly people who make bad choices, but the fundamental question in our economy is the number of people who are doing absolutely everything they can to support their families — and they just can't make it."

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/04/158141728/how-americas-losing-the-war-on
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Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:39 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Vimes learned something new: the very very rich could afford to be poor. Sybil Rankin lived in the kind of poverty that was only available to the very rich, a poverty approached form the other side. Women who were merely well-off saved up and bought dresses made of silk edged with lace and pearls, but Lady Ramkin was so rich she could afford to stomp around the place in rubber boots and a tweed skirt that had belonged to her mother. She was so rich she could afford to live on biscuits and cheese sandwiches. She was so rich she lived in three rooms in a thirty-four roomed mansion; the rest of them were full of very expensive and very old furniture, covered in dust sheets.

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness.


Also known around here as The Ghetto Tax.

-F

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Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, Magons, it's something that has dismayed me for some time. Jobs making decent wages have diminished in our country, and that people who are working two and three jobs just to get by (and still aren't able to) are being labeled as bums by the right astonishes me. Or rather, "astonished"--by now I'm used to Romney's attitude being hurled around everywhere by those on the right.

It would be nice if the real facts came out now and then. States who are preening that they have "low unemployment" leave out the fact that people lost decent-paying jobs and are now working at lower-paying jobs, part-time jobs, etc. The attacks on unions will only make that worse.

Texas has long been the best illustration of what's been happening:
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Rick Perry's Texas: Jobs Boom Driven by Low-Paying Jobs

That Texas has exhibited strong job growth is beyond dispute: the Dallas Federal Reserve found that 37% of all net new American jobs between June 2009 and April 2011 -- that's about 262,000 -- were created in Texas. Perry cites such data as vindicating the his business-friendly economic policies, including a lack of a state or corporate income tax.

But low-wage jobs play an outsize role in powering Texas' economic engine. The majority of the state's workforce is paid an hourly wage rather than a salary, and 9.5 percent of those workers earned the minimum wage or below compared to about 6 percent for the rest of the nation, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. From 2007 to 2010, the number of minimum wage workers in Texas rose from 221,000 to 550,000, an increase of nearly 150 percent. Hourly wage workers' median salary of $11.20 per hour in 2010 lagged behind the national median of $12.50.More at http://www.ibtimes.com/rick-perrys-texas-jobs-boom-driven-low-paying-j
obs-827307


That's what's happening all over our country, and it's not good for the country or the American people.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:06 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Right, the young family I know in the US both have jobs of a sort but also get food stamps to feed their youngsters because the wages are so low. And they are not buying wide screen tvs or other luxuries instead of food.

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Friday, December 14, 2012 9:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup. We have far too many in that category, and more falling into that category every day. It's sickening, and the attitude of so many on the right that all these people are lazy bums is even moreso. Romney personified this attitude, and thank gawd he didn't get in power!

All the bullshit about Obama as the "food stamp President" works as propaganda, because of course the fact that more are on food stamps, as you mentioned, because of both the recession and the cuts to our safety nets, AND the replacement of decent-wage-paying jobs...all three of which can be laid at the feet of conservatives like Romney and Ryan.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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