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A suicide bomber walks into a bar...

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Friday, January 4, 2013 6:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, it's the beginning of a joke...not what you think:
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A suicide bomber walks into a bar. He shouts at the bartender, "Gimme the money, or I blow this place to bits!" The worried bartender hands him a wad of cash, and the bomber departs.

The next day, the suicide bomber returns to the same bar. He shouts at the bartender, "Gimme the money, or I blow this place to bits!"

"Are you nuts?" answers the bartender. "If I give you money every day, I'll go out of business. Plus, you're scaring away the customers."

"I tell you what," replies the bomber, "Gimme the money, and I won't come back until the day after tomorrow."

Welcome to the art of negotiation, Republican style. Since the election of 2010, the United States has narrowly averted three Republican-built suicide bombs: one government shutdown, one debt default and one fiscal cliff. We have two more scheduled for February: across-the-board spending cuts and another debt ceiling expiration.

The Republicans' suicide strategy is a relatively new addition to American politics. Newt Gingrich pioneered the first government shutdown in 1995. It was so disastrous that no one tried it again for 16 years. In the meantime, Republicans pursued a more traditional method known as the democratic process. They campaigned for election and took control of the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. From 2001 to 2006, the dominant Republicans passed plenty of conservative legislation. (They did not, however, reduce spending or balance the budget.)

When their golden era came to an end, many Republicans refused to accept that the popular will had turned against them and resorted to obstructionist tactics. In the Senate, they have filibustered 391 Democratic bills in the past six years, culminating last month in Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's historic filibuster of his own bill. The Democrats are no strangers to the filibuster, of course, but they managed only 201 in their six years of minority status.

Yet the Senate is a model of effective government compared with the House, now the only Republican-dominated branch of the federal government. Frustrated by their inability to get conservative legislation past the Democratic-controlled Senate and White House, congressional Republicans have revived the "suicide bomb."

The key to the suicide bomb strategy is to convince people that members of the conservative wing of the Republican Party are crazy enough to wreck the economy if they don't get their way. Democratic leaders seem to believe them. Like the hapless bartender, they keep tossing the Republicans wads of cash -- spending cuts and tax breaks -- in order to spare the country from a debt default, shutdown or recession.

But this bomber will not be satisfied by a few payoffs. The Republicans continue to use every opportunity to extract concessions by threatening to wreck the economy ... again. When Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner proposed a permanent debt ceiling extension during the last round of negotiations, McConnell reportedly laughed in his face. The suicide bomb has become the Republicans' most effective weapon. Why would they give that up?

President Obama was slow to see the pattern, but after three nail-biting suicide negotiations in two years, he seems to have finally realized that he cannot continue to encourage the bomb threats with concessions. As attention turned to the next debt ceiling battle, he declared, "While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they've already racked up through the laws that they passed."

Hopefully, he will maintain this resolve. The endless threats not only enable Republicans to subvert the democratic process, they hurt the country. Even if the Republicans never actually fulfill their ultimatums, the anxiety provoked by such threats damages the economy by creating uncertain business conditions. To extend the metaphor: The suicide bomber is scaring away the customers.

So what will happen when Obama finally says enough is enough? Is the country destined to go BOOM?

Fortunately not. The joke has a hidden punchline. It turns out that the suicide bomber is a part-owner of the bar. The folks who will lose the most if the bomb goes off are the investors, bankers and businesspeople who still retain large stakes in the Republican Party. When the Republicans threatened to let the government default in 2011, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other industry advocates objected with growing concern. If the Democrats refuse to negotiate this time around, industry advocates will not sit idly while the party they finance deliberately ruins their businesses.

But what if the conservative Republicans are really that crazy? What if they are so committed to their agenda and dismissive of their constituents that they will allow unemployment to rise, interest rates to skyrocket, government services to disappear, seniors to lose their Social Security checks and other catastrophic consequences of debt defaults and government shutdowns?

If that is the case, however unlikely, than we will only have to survive until the next election, at which point the Republicans will discover their suicide bombings produce only one guaranteed casualty: the bomber himself. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/opinion/wolraich-gop-strategy/index.html
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Aptly put. My only fear is, with all those safe districts, the next election won't bring that result. It was obvious up until the last election (tho' it took me ages to accept it) that the Republicans were happy to do things destructive to the country in hopes of winning power. The fact that it didn't work--disasterously--only seems to have made them determined to do it AGAIN.

Congressional districts should be decided by an independent, wholly bipartisan, commission of some sort. They weren't stupid; they got enough people in power in the states to guarantee themselves districts, so all they have to fear is a challenge FROM THE RIGHT--unless their constituents wake up and back a challenge from the MIDDLE (gawd knows nobody on the left could challenge any of them, the way they drew the districts). Middle would be fine with me, and I hope it happens.

If the Dems had any brains, they would do the smart thing the Repubs did; pay more attention to states so they can gain power there and redraw the districts themselves. Which of course is no real answer, 'cuz they'd do the same. But at least I'd hope they wouldn't behave AS badly...

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Friday, January 4, 2013 7:03 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


LOL, I enjoyed that. A well-written article. A lot of people will be scandalised and put off by the suicide bomber/ransom analogy, but when you think about it it's pretty apt.

Apt!

(sorry, Simpsons reference)

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, January 4, 2013 9:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The Dems are the terrorist in the story,& that's no joke. Hard working business owner ...that's the US citizen, being intimidated by the Left.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 4, 2013 9:28 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


And if Republicans vote not to extend the debt ceiling, you think that won't hurt hard working business owners (and ordinary Americans)?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, January 4, 2013 1:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Paying Danegeld results in paying Danegeld.

And to think, once upon a time I was considered "unreasonable" for refusing to give an inch to these motherfuckers.

-Frem

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Friday, January 4, 2013 2:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:
And if Republicans vote not to extend the debt ceiling, you think that won't hurt hard working business owners (and ordinary Americans)?

It's not personal. It's just war.



It'll hurt far worse later if we don't stop this lunacy now.

But who the fuck cares about tomorrow when you can party today, huh?






"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, January 4, 2013 2:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

But who the fuck cares about tomorrow when you can party today, huh?




That's particularly hilarious, coming from the putz who used to run around here yelling "The economy's ON FIRE!" despite all the warnings he'd been given about what was coming.

You're just being a big baby about it now because you don't want to pay the bills for all the shit you and yours fucked up for the rest of the country and the world.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, January 4, 2013 2:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Obama and the extreme, hard core far Left wing Democrats aren't " MINE ", princess.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:32 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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It'll hurt far worse later if we don't stop this lunacy now.

Just to be clear, the USA defaulting on its debt will NOT help it sort out its debt problem in the long term. It will only make it harder to do so.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 4:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yes.

The debt we're mounting, we can barely put a dent into the INTEREST , doing what Obama's doing, let alone the actual principle.

But cutting spending doesn't mean we default on what we owe. it means we stop wasting $ on things this govt has no business doing in the first place.

eg: ( Just a few of literally 1000's )

The following are examples of pork added by the Senate to the Labor/HHS bill:

$111,779,000 for programs to prevent substance abuse.

$42,914,000 for the Teacher Quality Partnership program (TQP). A March 2011 Government Accountability Office report that analyzed duplication within the federal government found that the TQP is one of 82 redundant teacher training programs.

$14,918,000 for rural hospital flexibility grants.

$6,990,000 for the Rural Community Facilities program.

$998,000 for the Training for Realtime Writers program, which provides grants to institutions of higher education to create programs to train closed caption writers.

Citizens Against Government Waste is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, mismanagement and abuse in government.



http://www.cagw.org/content/cagw-releases-analysis-senate-laborhhs-bil
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As for Sandy spending...

* $150 million for Alaskan fisheries.
* $8 million for cars for the Homeland Security and Justice departments.
* $2 million for the Smithsonian to repair roofs damaged BEFORE Sandy.
* $336 million in Amtrak expenses




"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:02 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Let me return to the original question, because it's an important point and your answer makes me think you don't understand what GOP politicians are threatening to do. Do you think congress voting AGAINST raising the debt ceiling will actually achieve good in some way?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Silly, silly KPO...want to make bets that Rap will come back with either something totally unrelated, or just a flat statement that "Obama and the Dems are destroying the country", etc., etc.?

You are asking a logical question to which he will be unable to find a logical answer. Sooo....wait for it....

(or else he'll just disappear)
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Just to be clear, the USA defaulting on its debt will NOT help it sort out its debt problem in the long term. It will only make it harder to do so.

You are, of course, totally correct. What bothers ME the most is that there are hints Obama might let them do it this time, rather than be blackmailed yet again... I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's scary...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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