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Tony Kanaan and Chevrolet win it at Indy

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Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:09 AM

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It only took 12 years! Couldn't happen to a finer man.


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Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:49 AM

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Gear head Kwicko has no reply, too much bad blood...sad.

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Monday, May 27, 2013 4:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Sorry, was busy watching Monaco.


As ever, I'm surprised to hear that Indy racing still exists.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Monday, May 27, 2013 4:54 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




A Brazilian joo driver, a joo British engine (Penske Ilmor 'Chevrolet'), an Italian car (Dallara), Jap tires (Broidgestone 'Firestone') in a castrated co-ed rigged 'sport' stole the Indy 500 from USSA. American cars/engines/tires are not even ALLOWED in the Indy 500, according to the Rule Book contract. Rock Hudson's gay husband sings the same boring song every year. Woohoo goy suckers!!!

Dario Franchitti's 'craZY' nude stripper ex-wife Ashley Judd drops out of Kentucky US senate campaign while under FBI investigation for wiretapping US Senator Mitch McConnell trash-talking Ashley Judd
https://www.google.com/search?q=ashley+judd+nude
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/04/11/kentucky_democrat_claims_
he_knows_who_taped_mcconnell

https://www.google.com/search?q=Dario+Franchitti+ashley+judd+wiretap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_Franchitti

Indicted felon wins Scab 500
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=38423&mid=7
05513


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Ilmor, founded by Mario Illien and Paul Morgan in November 1983, is a British independent high-performance autosport engineering company. In 2005, Mario Illien concluded a deal to purchase the Special Projects part of the company in partnership with Roger Penske, which had been contracted to supply Honda with IndyCar engines between 2003 and 2005. Ilmor continued working in America on the Oldsmobile Aurora V8 for the IRL (Penske entries) and later designed the normally aspirated Honda IRL engine which was used from 2003-2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmor



Quote:

Ilmor's ties to IndyCar run deep – our company was founded to design and build turbocharged engines for the American-based IndyCar series. The partnership between Swiss-born Mario Illien, British native Paul Morgan and American businessman and racing team owner Roger Penske was first powered by General Motors, and an all new eight cylinder turbocharged Chevrolet engine. In 1986, four-time Indy winner Al Unser became the first to race with the Ilmor-designed engine, and in April 1987 Mario Andretti was the first to secure an Ilmor win. The Ilmor-Chevrolet engine went on to win multiple championships, and rapidly became the dominant engine in Indy racing.

Ilmor later partnered with Mercedes-Benz to produce the MB500I, perhaps the most powerful engine in the nearly 100-year history of the Indy 500. It was driven to victory by famed Indy racer Al Unser, Jr.

From 2003-2011, Ilmor worked in partnership with Honda Performance Development, a partnership that produced well over 150 victories.

Today, Ilmor has reunited with Chevrolet Racing to develop and race a new twin-turbocharged, direct-injected V6 engine for competition in IndyCar. In their first season, Chevrolet and Ilmor won 11 of 15 races, and all four 2012 IndyCar Championships.

Our IndyCar accomplishments include:
17 Indianapolis 500 Wins
260+ IndyCar Wins
235+ IndyCar Pole Positions
15 IndyCar Drivers Championships
13 IndyCar Manufacturers Championships

http://www.ilmor.com/en/racing/indy.aspx

2010

Ilmor signs multi-year Indy racing agreement with Chevrolet commencing in the 2012 racing season

2011

Ilmor Marine becomes the exclusive engine supplier to MasterCraft Boats, and launches the wholly new to market MV8 7.4L engine

2012

Partnered with Chevrolet, Ilmor begins testing and racing the new IndyCar engine, after completing 8 years of partnership with Honda Performance Development (127 wins, 6 seasons without a race-day failure)

2012

Chevrolet and Ilmor win 11 of 15 IndyCar races and all four 2012 IndyCar Championships

http://www.ilmor.com/en/about/



INDY 500: Success Built on Thin Ice

May 27, 2013

The 97th running of the Indianapolis 500 was widely lauded as a tremendously entertaining event. The grandstands were nearly full, every fourth lap or so produced a new leader, and Tony Kanaan became the most popular winner in years.

So I'm sitting high in Turn 3 with my two sons, enjoying the cool refreshment of an adult beverage that had just been dumped down my back by the profusely apologizing brunette behind me, and I'm wondering why something still doesn't feel right about this otherwise great race. Everyone loved this year's race and wants the success to continue, but I'm not sure if the foundation exists for it to do so.

First, nobody drops out with mechanical problems anymore. The cars are bulletproof because they are built well within the known bounds of technological progress. In 1969, any racecar worth the name had 900 horsepower. Forty years later Indycars need a turbocharger to produce less power than a stock Shelby Mustang GT 500 at your local car lot.

My sons will never know what it's like to hope against all hope that a Buick stock-block V6 can carry a Scott Brayton or Jim Crawford or Pancho Carter to unlikely victory before it blows up. They'll never see Roger Penske's team shock the racing world with a super-secret Mercedes Illmor engine, or watch in amazement as a turbine-powered machine whooshes silently past. Reliability simply isn't an issue any more because no one pushes the envelope of technology.

Secondly, the cars fascinate no one. They don't just look like cookie-cutter spec cars... they are cookie-cutter spec cars. The much-vaunted “body kits” will probably never appear and would accomplish nothing if they did. Their alleged purpose is to make identical racears appear to be different. But teams will quickly determine which body kit offers the best advantage at each track and once that is determined, every team will use the same one. Then all the cars will once again look like what they are... cookie-cutter spec cars.

Lead changes now occur so frequently that they've become meaningless. Teams deliberately give away the lead because drafting uses less fuel. Passes are not the result of a superior car or better driving. They are produced artificially by the hated “push to pass” buttons or the slingshot effect. The NASCARization of Indycar has come full circle when leading at the final caution period virtually assures that you'll lose the race.

This generation of Indycar fans will never know what it's like to show up at the track and wonder if the new champion will lap the field or win by a car length. They'll never know that open wheel racing once precluded anyone from afflicting their car with those hideous rear wheel pods.

Worse yet, they may never see a Bump Day that matters. They may come to believe that getting only 33-35 entries at Indianapolis is normal.

Rookies are few and far between nowadays. Only four showed for this year's race. Only half of them came from the “Road to Indy” ladder system. None of them represented blue-collar racing.

Only one of them had ever driven a full size racecar before 2006, so these kids aren't just new to Indy... they're new to auto racing. Most of them haven't driven a hundred races in their lives. They bring no fan base with them; only money. True veterans who have driven fifty or more races per year for decades at short tracks across the country are priced out of the market by spec cars whose stated purpose was to keep costs low.

Still, as my youngest son generously sacrificed his jacket to sop the beer out of my shirt, I couldn't help being mesmerized by the race I was watching. It really was fun. It was great to see Kanaan get a long overdue victory. The history of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway constantly reminds you that this really is auto racing's Mount Everest.

On the surface we see an incredibly good race. But like a great structure with no foundation, it seems that what passes for success in Indycar these days is built on very thin ice.

by Stephen Cox
Sopwith Motorsports Television Productions
Co-host, Mecum Auto Auctions

http://www.sopwithmotorsports.com/blog/indycar/item/202-indy-500-succe
ss-built-on-thin-ice.html





In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:30 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sorry, was busy watching Monaco.


As ever, I'm surprised to hear that Indy racing still exists.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."



Watched Monaco, the 500 and the 600. Great day.

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:36 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:


A Brazilian joo driver, a joo British engine (Penske Ilmor 'Chevrolet'), an Italian car (Dallara), Jap tires (Broidgestone 'Firestone') in a castrated co-ed rigged 'sport' stole the Indy 500 from USSA. American cars/engines/tires are not even ALLOWED in the Indy 500, according to the Rule Book contract. Rock Hudson's gay husband sings the same boring song every year. Woohoo goy suckers!!!

Dario Franchitti's 'craZY' nude stripper ex-wife Ashley Judd drops out of Kentucky US senate campaign while under FBI investigation for wiretapping US Senator Mitch McConnell trash-talking Ashley Judd
https://www.google.com/search?q=ashley+judd+nude
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/04/11/kentucky_democrat_claims_
he_knows_who_taped_mcconnell

https://www.google.com/search?q=Dario+Franchitti+ashley+judd+wiretap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_Franchitti

Indicted felon wins Scab 500
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=38423&mid=705513

Quote:

Ilmor, founded by Mario Illien and Paul Morgan in November 1983, is a British independent high-performance autosport engineering company. In 2005, Mario Illien concluded a deal to purchase the Special Projects part of the company in partnership with Roger Penske, which had been contracted to supply Honda with IndyCar engines between 2003 and 2005. Ilmor continued working in America on the Oldsmobile Aurora V8 for the IRL (Penske entries) and later designed the normally aspirated Honda IRL engine which was used from 2003-2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmor



Quote:

Ilmor's ties to IndyCar run deep – our company was founded to design and build turbocharged engines for the American-based IndyCar series. The partnership between Swiss-born Mario Illien, British native Paul Morgan and American businessman and racing team owner Roger Penske was first powered by General Motors, and an all new eight cylinder turbocharged Chevrolet engine. In 1986, four-time Indy winner Al Unser became the first to race with the Ilmor-designed engine, and in April 1987 Mario Andretti was the first to secure an Ilmor win. The Ilmor-Chevrolet engine went on to win multiple championships, and rapidly became the dominant engine in Indy racing.

Ilmor later partnered with Mercedes-Benz to produce the MB500I, perhaps the most powerful engine in the nearly 100-year history of the Indy 500. It was driven to victory by famed Indy racer Al Unser, Jr.

From 2003-2011, Ilmor worked in partnership with Honda Performance Development, a partnership that produced well over 150 victories.

Today, Ilmor has reunited with Chevrolet Racing to develop and race a new twin-turbocharged, direct-injected V6 engine for competition in IndyCar. In their first season, Chevrolet and Ilmor won 11 of 15 races, and all four 2012 IndyCar Championships.

Our IndyCar accomplishments include:
17 Indianapolis 500 Wins
260+ IndyCar Wins
235+ IndyCar Pole Positions
15 IndyCar Drivers Championships
13 IndyCar Manufacturers Championships

http://www.ilmor.com/en/racing/indy.aspx

2010

Ilmor signs multi-year Indy racing agreement with Chevrolet commencing in the 2012 racing season

2011

Ilmor Marine becomes the exclusive engine supplier to MasterCraft Boats, and launches the wholly new to market MV8 7.4L engine

2012

Partnered with Chevrolet, Ilmor begins testing and racing the new IndyCar engine, after completing 8 years of partnership with Honda Performance Development (127 wins, 6 seasons without a race-day failure)

2012

Chevrolet and Ilmor win 11 of 15 IndyCar races and all four 2012 IndyCar Championships

http://www.ilmor.com/en/about/



INDY 500: Success Built on Thin Ice

May 27, 2013

The 97th running of the Indianapolis 500 was widely lauded as a tremendously entertaining event. The grandstands were nearly full, every fourth lap or so produced a new leader, and Tony Kanaan became the most popular winner in years.

So I'm sitting high in Turn 3 with my two sons, enjoying the cool refreshment of an adult beverage that had just been dumped down my back by the profusely apologizing brunette behind me, and I'm wondering why something still doesn't feel right about this otherwise great race. Everyone loved this year's race and wants the success to continue, but I'm not sure if the foundation exists for it to do so.

First, nobody drops out with mechanical problems anymore. The cars are bulletproof because they are built well within the known bounds of technological progress. In 1969, any racecar worth the name had 900 horsepower. Forty years later Indycars need a turbocharger to produce less power than a stock Shelby Mustang GT 500 at your local car lot.

My sons will never know what it's like to hope against all hope that a Buick stock-block V6 can carry a Scott Brayton or Jim Crawford or Pancho Carter to unlikely victory before it blows up. They'll never see Roger Penske's team shock the racing world with a super-secret Mercedes Illmor engine, or watch in amazement as a turbine-powered machine whooshes silently past. Reliability simply isn't an issue any more because no one pushes the envelope of technology.

Secondly, the cars fascinate no one. They don't just look like cookie-cutter spec cars... they are cookie-cutter spec cars. The much-vaunted “body kits” will probably never appear and would accomplish nothing if they did. Their alleged purpose is to make identical racears appear to be different. But teams will quickly determine which body kit offers the best advantage at each track and once that is determined, every team will use the same one. Then all the cars will once again look like what they are... cookie-cutter spec cars.

Lead changes now occur so frequently that they've become meaningless. Teams deliberately give away the lead because drafting uses less fuel. Passes are not the result of a superior car or better driving. They are produced artificially by the hated “push to pass” buttons or the slingshot effect. The NASCARization of Indycar has come full circle when leading at the final caution period virtually assures that you'll lose the race.

This generation of Indycar fans will never know what it's like to show up at the track and wonder if the new champion will lap the field or win by a car length. They'll never know that open wheel racing once precluded anyone from afflicting their car with those hideous rear wheel pods.

Worse yet, they may never see a Bump Day that matters. They may come to believe that getting only 33-35 entries at Indianapolis is normal.

Rookies are few and far between nowadays. Only four showed for this year's race. Only half of them came from the “Road to Indy” ladder system. None of them represented blue-collar racing.

Only one of them had ever driven a full size racecar before 2006, so these kids aren't just new to Indy... they're new to auto racing. Most of them haven't driven a hundred races in their lives. They bring no fan base with them; only money. True veterans who have driven fifty or more races per year for decades at short tracks across the country are priced out of the market by spec cars whose stated purpose was to keep costs low.

Still, as my youngest son generously sacrificed his jacket to sop the beer out of my shirt, I couldn't help being mesmerized by the race I was watching. It really was fun. It was great to see Kanaan get a long overdue victory. The history of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway constantly reminds you that this really is auto racing's Mount Everest.

On the surface we see an incredibly good race. But like a great structure with no foundation, it seems that what passes for success in Indycar these days is built on very thin ice.

by Stephen Cox
Sopwith Motorsports Television Productions
Co-host, Mecum Auto Auctions

http://www.sopwithmotorsports.com/blog/indycar/item/202-indy-500-succe
ss-built-on-thin-ice.html





In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China



Having only Honda and Chevy allowed at Indy is a sin, not to long ago most manufactures from around the world would show off their new toys at Indy every year...and Ashley Judd is insane.

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