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immigration reform means national ID?
Friday, June 14, 2013 4:12 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Quote: (CNN) -- Sensible immigration reform will strengthen American society and economy. But it must also respect the rights of U.S. citizens and those aspiring to join them. Buried in the comprehensive immigration reform legislation before the Senate are obscure provisions that impose on Americans expansive national identification systems, tied to electronic verification schemes. Under the guise of "reform," these trample fundamental rights and freedoms. Requirements in Senate Bill 744 for mandatory worker IDs and electronic verification remove the right of citizens to take employment and "give" it back as a privilege only when proper proof is presented and the government agrees. Such systems are inimical to a free society and are costly to the economy and treasury. Any citizen wanting to take a job would face the regulation that his or her digitized high-resolution passport or driver's license photo be collected and stored centrally in a Department of Homeland Security Citizenship and Immigration Services database.
Friday, June 14, 2013 4:48 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:`(F) IDENTITY AUTHENTICATION MECHANISM- `(i) DEFINITIONS- In this subparagraph: `(I) COVERED IDENTITY DOCUMENT- The term `covered identity document' means a valid-- `(aa) United States passport, passport card, or a document evidencing lawful permanent residence status or employment authorized status issued to an alien; `(bb) enhanced driver's license or identity card issued by a participating State; or `(cc) photograph and appropriate identifying information provided by the Secretary of State pursuant to the granting of a visa. `(II) PARTICIPATING STATE- The term `participating State' means a State that has an agreement with the Secretary to provide the Secretary, for purposes of identity verification in the System, with photographs and appropriate identifying information maintained by the State. `(ii) REQUIREMENT FOR IDENTITY AUTHENTICATION- In addition to verifying the documents specified in subparagraph (C), (D), or (E) and utilizing the System under subsection (d), each employer shall use an identity authentication mechanism described in clause (iii) or provided in clause (iv) after it becomes available to verify the identity of each individual the employer seeks to hire. `(iii) PHOTO TOOL- `(I) USE REQUIREMENT- An employer seeking to hire an individual who has a covered identity document shall verify the identity of such individual using the photo tool described in subclause (II). `(II) DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT- The Secretary shall develop and maintain a photo tool that enables employers to match the photo on a covered identity document provided to the employer to a photo maintained by a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services database.
Quote:`(8) NO AUTHORIZATION OF NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS- Nothing in this section may be construed to directly or indirectly authorize the issuance, use, or establishment of a national identification card.
Quote:`(aa) United States passport, passport card, or a document evidencing lawful permanent residence status or employment authorized status issued to an alien; `(bb) enhanced driver's license or identity card issued by a participating State; or `(cc) photograph and appropriate identifying information provided by the Secretary of State pursuant to the granting of a visa.
Friday, June 14, 2013 7:40 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/13/opinion/sobel-id-immigration/index.html New ID rules would threaten citizens' rights By Richard Sobel, Special to CNN updated 7:47 AM EDT, Thu June 13, 2013 Quote: (CNN) -- Sensible immigration reform will strengthen American society and economy. But it must also respect the rights of U.S. citizens and those aspiring to join them. Buried in the comprehensive immigration reform legislation before the Senate are obscure provisions that impose on Americans expansive national identification systems, tied to electronic verification schemes. Under the guise of "reform," these trample fundamental rights and freedoms. Requirements in Senate Bill 744 for mandatory worker IDs and electronic verification remove the right of citizens to take employment and "give" it back as a privilege only when proper proof is presented and the government agrees. Such systems are inimical to a free society and are costly to the economy and treasury. Any citizen wanting to take a job would face the regulation that his or her digitized high-resolution passport or driver's license photo be collected and stored centrally in a Department of Homeland Security Citizenship and Immigration Services database. I dunno. This is an analysis/opinion piece rather than hard news. I'm not sure whether it's accurate or an imaginary interpretation. Does anybody have any hard facts, or confirmation from a reliable source?
Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: `(8) NO AUTHORIZATION OF NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS- Nothing in this section may be construed to directly or indirectly authorize the issuance, use, or establishment of a national identification card. According to the above, just the opposite of what Mr. Sobel is saying is true. No National ID Card.
Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:19 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So in other words, not a national ID card. It just looks, swims, and quacks like one.
Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:39 PM
AGENTROUKA
Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:01 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
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