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Gay marriage legal in Utah

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Friday, December 20, 2013 9:05 PM

BYTEMITE

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Friday, December 20, 2013 9:21 PM

STORYMARK


That is very surprising. But cool.




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Friday, December 20, 2013 9:31 PM

AURAPTOR

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A federal judge struck down...



Well, ok then.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, December 23, 2013 10:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And away we go...again...
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A federal judge on Monday is set to consider a request from the state of Utah to block gay weddings that have been taking place since Friday when the state's same-sex marriage ban was overturned.

U.S. District Judge Robert J. Shelby ruled Utah's law passed violates gay and lesbian couples' rights under the 14th Amendment.

Lawyers for the state want the ruling put on hold as they appeal the decision that has put Utah in the national spotlight because of its long-standing opposition to gay marriage. Shelby will hold a hearing on the request Monday morning.

On Sunday, a federal appeals court rejected the state's emergency request stay the ruling, saying they couldn't rule on a stay since Shelby hasn't acted on the motion before him.

Following Shelby's surprising ruling Friday afternoon, gay and lesbian couples rushed to a county clerk's office in Salt Lake City to get marriage licenses. More than 100 couples wed as others cheered them on in what became an impromptu celebration an office building about three miles from the headquarters of the Mormon church.

Hundreds of couples are expected to arrive at county clerks offices early Monday morning in hopes of getting marriage licenses before a possible halt if Shelby grants the stay its request. Legal experts say that even if a stay is granted, the licenses that have already been issued will likely still be valid.

For now, a state considered as one of the most conservative in the nation has joined the likes of California and New York to become the 18th state where same-sex couples can legally wed.

Utah is home to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which was one of the leading forces behind California's short-lived ban on same-sex marriage, Proposition 8, which voters approved in 2008. The church said Friday that it stands by its support for "traditional marriage" and that it hopes a higher court validates its belief that marriage is between a man and woman.

In Shelby's 53-page ruling, he said the constitutional amendment Utah voters approved in 2004 violates gay and lesbian couples' rights to due process and equal protection under the 14th Amendment. Shelby said the state failed to show that allowing same-sex marriages would affect opposite-sex marriages in any way. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/23/utah-gay-marriage
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Monday, December 23, 2013 11:25 AM

BYTEMITE


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Legal experts say that even if a stay is granted, the licenses that have already been issued will likely still be valid.


Yeah, after Utah legally said okay to modern polygamy, suddenly the arguments they were making about traditional marriage came across as more irrational than anything. Eventually according to our own legal decisions and precedence and both the state and federal constitutions the judge didn't really have any other choice but to find in favour of the plaintiffs.

The basic jist of both decisions is that if they're adults then their living arrangements are no one else's business. Especially not mewling hand-wringing self-appointed moral guardians.

Though the tax code does legally confine everyone to only ONE reportable partner, but that doesn't affect gay marriage whatsoever. Under the law polygamists will only report one spouse but can now openly be families, and openness with broader society is exactly what those communities need to end abuses that go on.

Anyway it's been a pretty cool month for alternative lifestyles. And a bad month for traditional marriage (and good riddance). The church is showing some hypocrisy here, but even here the church is not all powerful. Social change happens and they will either come to terms with it or be left behind.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Federal court declines to halt same-sex marriages in Utah

SALT LAKE CITY – A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that gay marriages can continue in Utah, denying a request from the state to halt same-sex weddings that have been occurring at a rapid rate since last week.

The appeals court said in its short ruling that a decision to put gay marriage on hold was not warranted, but said it put the case on the fast track for a full appeal of the ruling.

Utah's last chance to temporarily stop the marriages would be the U.S. Supreme Court. That's what the Utah Attorney General's Office is prepared to do, said spokesman Ryan Bruckman. "We're disappointed in the ruling, but we just have to take it to the next level," Bruckman said.

Carl Tobias, a constitutional law professor at Virginia's University of Richmond who has tracked legal battles for gay marriage, thinks Utah faces long odds to get their stay granted, considering two courts have already rejected it and marriages have been going on for days now.

The appeals court ruling means county clerks can continue to issue marriage licenses to gays and lesbians. More than 700 gay couples have obtained marriage licenses since Friday, with most of the activity in Salt Lake City. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/24/same-sex-marriages-go-forwa
rd-in-utah-after-judge-decision/



I think they face "pretty long odds" too, considering how the Supremes have ruled on this.


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Monday, January 6, 2014 11:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then again...
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Breaking: High court puts same-sex marriage on hold in Utah

Marriage licenses for same-sex couples in Utah can no longer be issued, after the Supreme Court on Monday ruled in favor of the state's request to temporarily block the impact of a federal judge's recent ruling striking down as unconstitutional a ban on gays and lesbians from legal wedlock.

U.S. District Court Judge Robert Shelby said in December the state's law "conflicts with the United States Constitution's guarantees of equal protection and due process under the law."

The issue on enforcement is tricky since hundreds of marriage licenses have already been issued by some Utah counties in the nearly two weeks since the decision was announced.

Voters there approved a law banning same-sex marriage in 2004.

Monday's action from the high court on the enforcement question is temporary and does not offer the final word on the constitutionality of the state's ban on same-sex marriage.

A Denver-based federal appeals court will take up the larger issues on an expedited basis in coming weeks, but in the meantime has allowed those marriages to continue.

“Despite today’s decision, we are hopeful that the lower court’s well-reasoned decision will be upheld in the end and that courts across the country will continue to recognize that all couples should have the freedom to marry," Joshua Block, attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.

The state argued last week in its high court appeal that "as a result of the district court's injunction, numerous same-sex marriages are now occurring every day in Utah. And each one is an affront... to the interests of the states and its citizens in being able to define marriage through ordinary democratic channels."

The request was presented to Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who asked all her colleagues to weigh in. Monday's order had no noted dissents and can enforced immediately.

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert (R) had criticized Judge Shelby's ruling, calling him "an activist federal judge." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/06/breaking-high-court-te
mporarily-blocks-further-same-sex-marriages-in-utah/?hpt=hp_t2



More than 900 gay and lesbian couples have married since then.

The high court order will remain in effect until the Denver-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decides whether to uphold Shelby's ruling.

The action now shifts to Denver, where the appeals court will consider arguments from the state against same-sex marriage as well as from the three gay and lesbian couples who challenged the ban in support of Shelby's ruling. The appeals court had twice rebuffed the state's plea to stop gay weddings pending appeal.


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Monday, January 6, 2014 3:09 PM

BYTEMITE


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The state argued last week in its high court appeal that "as a result of the district court's injunction, numerous same-sex marriages are now occurring every day in Utah. And each one is an affront... to the interests of the states and its citizens in being able to define marriage through ordinary democratic channels."


Blah blah blah blah hey I know, every time these mormon kids decide they want to get married really young, they should have to pass around a petition to about 100,000 people so it can be included as a proposition in the next voting cycle.

Because who marries who should be decided democratically, and everyone knows highschool romances are valid and forever and everything else isn't.

You can choke on the hypocrisy hereabouts.


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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

Utah will not recognize the hundreds of same-sex marriages that were temporarily allowed by a federal judge's ruling but before the Supreme Court issued an injunction, the state announced Wednesday.

Officials say more than a thousand marriage licenses between gay and lesbian couples were issued in the 17 days between the initial ruling and the high court's Monday order blocking enforcement.

"Based on counsel from the Attorney General's Office regarding the Supreme Court decision, state recognition of same-sex marital status is ON HOLD until further notice," said the governor's Chief of Staff Derek Miller in a letter to cabinet officials. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/08/utah-will-not-recogniz
e-same-sex-marriages-performed-before-high-court-stay/?hpt=hp_t2
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Go, Mormons!

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:56 PM

BYTEMITE


It was a lawsuit to start with.

But Sotomayor really screwed the pooch on this one. She's the one who okayed the injunction. Supreme Court is cowards.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:40 PM

M52NICKERSON

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It was a lawsuit to start with.

But Sotomayor really screwed the pooch on this one. She's the one who okayed the injunction. Supreme Court is cowards.



In her defence she most likely did not see legal standing to deign the injunction.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:42 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm assuming you meant "deny", not "deign"... ;o)

And yes, I would imagine that's what it's about...SOME Supremes seem to be willing to look at the legal points rather than following their political agenda, but it's unfortunate it's working out this way, IMO. It will no doubt be reversed, and there's a whole lot of time, money, and bru-ha-ha in between, not to mention those who got married and are now in limbo.

"The Supreme Court has halted gay marriages in Utah. The Supreme Court said that in Utah marriage is still a sacred bond between a man and his six wives." - Conan O’Brien


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