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Texas Forces A Dead Woman To Incubate A Fetus
Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:30 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The family of Marlise Munoz, who is being kept on life support even though she is brain dead, is outraged that her body is being used as a “host for a fetus.” The hospital has said it is legally bound to keep Munoz on a ventilator because shortly after the patient arrived at the hospital last year following a blood clot in her lungs, doctors discovered she was 14 weeks pregnant. According to Dallas News, Munoz, who is from Fort Worth, Texas, was taken to John Peter Smith Hospital on Nov. 26 after her husband, Erick Munoz, discovered her collapsed and unconscious on their living room floor. Doctors later declared Marlise Munoz brain dead, meaning there was no neurological activity in her brain. Erick, a firefighter and a paramedic, told the hospital that his wife’s wishes were to never be placed on life-support machines. “She did not want to be on life support,” her mother, Lynne Machado, told CBS News. “We knew what her wishes were as well as her husband’s, so we were all on the same page.” But when the family was prepared to say their final goodbyes and to pull the plug, the hospital said they couldn’t comply with the family’s wishes. According to multiple reports, the hospital said that because Marlise Munoz was pregnant, Texas law dictated that the hospital could not remove her from a ventilator, regardless of the condition of the fetus. “It’s not a matter of pro-choice and pro-life,” Machado told the New York Times. “It’s about a matter of our daughter’s wishes not being honored by the state of Texas.” Texas is one of two dozen states that prohibit doctors from cutting off life support to patients who are pregnant. The law in Texas was first passed in 1989 and amended in 1999. “The measures were largely adopted in the 1980s, with the spread of laws authorizing patients to make advance directives about end-of-life care like living wills and health care proxies,” Katharine Taylor, a lawyer and bioethicist at Drexel University in Philadelphia, told the Utah People’s Post. Such laws are sharply contested by critics who say hospitals often misinterpret them. The Center for Women Policy Sutdies has even referred to them as a way for “terminally ill women” to be forced to “exist as human incubators.” A crucial point of contention is whether these laws apply to patients who are brain dead, as opposed to patients who are in a coma or a vegetative state. Marlise Munoz’s family has been outraged by the law, which is preventing their daughter’s wishes from being answered. “All she is, is a host for a fetus,” Marlise Munoz’s father, Ernest Machado, told the New York Times. “I get angry with the state. What business did they have delving into these areas? Why are they practicing medicine up in Austin?” The hospital has been relatively silent about the case, partly because they say they’re not at liberty to discuss it. But, a J.R. Labbe, a spokesperson for John Peter Smith Hospital, did say this: “We can’t withdraw treatment from a pregnant person as the law states. Every day, we have patients and families who must make difficult decisions. Our position remains the same. We follow the law.” Third party legal analysts recognize the complexity of the situation. Where does law end and the ethics of end-of-life care step in? When does life begin? “Usually, unless someone is arguing, the hospital will follow [personal or family wishes],” CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford explained on CBS's “This Morning Monday.” “Here it’s complicated because you have this statute in Texas, one of the states that says, ‘We are going to recognize that another life is involved with this.'” http://www.ibtimes.com/family-marlise-munoz-angry-brain-dead-mother-life-support-after-texas-hospital-discovers-she-1532834
Thursday, January 9, 2014 4:18 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: her body is being used as a “host for a fetus.”
Friday, January 10, 2014 10:48 AM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Friday, January 10, 2014 12:44 PM
Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:18 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:56 PM
Quote:A fetus being carried by a brain dead Texas woman against her family’s wishes is so “distinctly abnormal” that the sex cannot even be determined, her husband’s attorneys said Wednesday. Marlise Munoz, 33, suffered a pulmonary embolism in late November and doctors say she has no brain activity. Although Erick Munoz says his wife wanted to be pulled from life support in the event of brain death, doctors at John Peter Smith Hospital in Forth Worth refused to do so after finding out that the unconscious woman was 14 weeks pregnant. Doctors cited a Texas law mandating pregnant women stay on life support until their fetus is viable, typically at 24 to 26 weeks. But now Erick Munoz’s attorneys, who will go to court Friday to challenge the constitutionality of this law, are questioning if the 22-week old fetus would be viable even if it did come to term. “Even at this early stage, the lower extremities are deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined,” said attorneys Heather King and Jessica Hall Janicek in a statement. Gender can typically be determined between 18 and 20 weeks. The lawyers also said the unborn fetus has fluid buildup inside the skull and possible heart problems. “Quite sadly, this information is not surprising due to the fact that the fetus, after being deprived of oxygen for an indeterminate length of time, is gestating within a dead and deteriorating body, as a horrified family looks on in absolute anguish, distress and sadness,” said the statement. The Tarrant County DA’s office, representing the hospital, declined to comment to the AP. http://nation.time.com/2014/01/23/attorneys-brain-dead-womans-fetus-is-distinctly-abnormal/#ixzz2rFHPhw8j
Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:10 PM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:28 PM
Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:27 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:54 PM
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Quote:11/16/1997, "Brockport, 18 miles west of Rochester": A woman declared brain-dead about four months into her pregnancy gave birth to a premature, but healthy, girl. Doctors at Strong Memorial Hospital here decided to deliver 20-year-old Lisa Nottingham's daughter on Friday because Ms. Nottingham's condition had become unstable over the last week and she had developed infections. Specialists estimate that after 28 weeks in the womb, a newborn's chances of survival increase to more than 90 percent. The baby was born at 31 weeks. The infant, who was 15 1/2 inches long and weighed 3 pounds 3 ounces at birth, was delivered by Caesarean section. The woman's parents, who are divorced, withdrew a court petition in September that sought the right to remove their daughter from life support after she suffered a brain hemorrhage in early August. Ms. Nottingham was placed on a ventilator 16 weeks into her pregnancy. Doctors said at the time that keeping the mother alive for a few more weeks would profoundly increase the chance of the fetus surviving. It turned out to be more than 14 weeks. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/16/nyregion/a-healthy-baby-girl-is-born-to-a-brain-dead-mother-20.html
Quote:5/4/2012, Grand Rapids, Michigan: A 26-year-old woman who had been declared brain dead gave birth to twins at Spectrum Health Butterworth Hospital in Grand Rapids, Mich. Bolden's family asked doctors "to drop everything we could to save these babies. It wasn't that difficult a call," hospital spokesman Bruce Rossman said. "It required a lot of evaluations and discussions among our staff. They had to at least get to 24 weeks before we could consider delivery." Doctors kept Bolden on a respirator for a month to allow for the development of babies. The twins were born prematurely at 25 weeks on April 5 from a cesarean section. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brain-dead-mom-gives-birth-to-twins-while-on-life-support/
Quote:9/16/2011, Al Ain, United Arab Emerits: A team of doctors at the Tawam Hospital managed to remove a child from his mother's womb, ten weeks after her clinical death. The 28-week old child is under special medical supervision, an official at the hospital told Gulf News. The official said the mother was clinically dead but the medical team took the decision to keep her on a life support system as the foetus inside the womb was still alive. "The medical team decided to keep the mother alive and pumped blood and oxygen to keep the foetus alive," said the official. The Emirati woman, who was around seven months pregnant, died of a brain haemorrhage. However, the medical team found that the foetus was alive and when it reached 28 weeks, they performed surgery to bring it out. http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/health/baby-born-10-weeks-after-mother-s-death-1.867433
Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:51 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by second: On this subject Adam Baldwin, spokesman for the Tea Party, tweeted 'Every Life has Value' and 'What should be presumed to be their innocent unborn baby's wishes?' The baby's presumed answer: "Jayne Cobb is a Bone Head." The baby has spoken.
Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:04 PM
Quote:Changes nothing, I was just curious about you writing that only the Hungarian case survived, that surprised me. It's obvious it is very rare, which I never realized before.
Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:32 PM
Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:27 PM
Quote:I'd have to think that most mothers would want their children to live on.
Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:45 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, January 24, 2014 8:02 AM
Quote: So "the state" takes away the right of the dad to choose, but leaves him with the responsibility of the choice. What kind of state is that? Sounds like fascism to me.
Quote: FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — Attorneys for a Fort Worth-area family will ask a judge to allow a pregnant, brain-dead Texas woman to be removed from life support, despite hospital opposition. State District Judge R.H. Wallace will hear arguments Friday as the husband of Marlise Munoz seeks to remove her from life support. Munoz remains connected to machines in John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth.
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