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North Carolina forced ultrasound law struck down on First Amendment grounds

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, January 20, 2014 14:38
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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:13 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The "Woman’s Right to Know Act" of 2011 demands that North Carolina physicians show and talk about a fetal ultrasound before a woman can have an abortion, but that mandate violates the First Amendment rights of doctors, a federal judge ruled late Friday.

In 2011, the Republican-led North Carolina legislature overrode then Democrat Gov. Bev Perdue’s veto of the law. The ideological bent of the law is ultimately what stumped US District Judge Catherine Eagles, who ruled Friday that the legislature can’t force doctors to forego a patient’s interest in order to utter words predicated on politics.

“The Supreme Court has never held that a state has the power to compel a health care provider to speak, in his or her own voice, the state’s ideological message in favor of carrying a pregnancy to term, and this Court declines to do so today,” Eagles wrote in her ruling. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/0118/North-Carolina-forced-ultrasoun
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Little tiny, itty bitty "huzzah" for common sense. "Woman's Right to Know Act" my ass!

I love their comeback:
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“The founders would roll over in their graves if they knew that the First Amendment is being used to keep women from receiving sound medical advice about their own bodies,” Tami Fitzgerald, director of the North Carolina Values Coalition, told the Raleigh News & Observer in an email.

Such bull-fucking-SHIT, and they know it and everyone knows it and it's disgusting.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:57 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


So true, such Bull-fucking-shit. Finally someone with common sense, and now, the law on their side.

Imagine forcing someone to go against their better judgement, just to satisfy the few people in this country who believe in religious persecution.
The religious right want to govern all of us to believe as they do, of course they are hypocrites, because God and Jesus believe in free will.

They forget that they are to pray for us sinners and nothing else. But what they are trying to do is affect change through government come hell or high water. Plus they forget about the law of the land, The Constitution.


SGG

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


that was a shocking law

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Monday, January 20, 2014 9:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Can you imagine for just a minute what the situation would be if it were MEN forced to undergo a similar physically intrusive procedure for any reason? Law never would have been even proposed, much less passed.

Not "was", Magons, "is"--it will of course be appealed, and it still exists in other states. We're such a forward, civilized county, America...


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Monday, January 20, 2014 10:31 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Such bull-fucking-SHIT, and they know it and everyone knows it and it's disgusting.



Yep.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, January 20, 2014 2:38 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There's also the fact that research conducted by the Guttmacher Institute has shown that forced counseling services, forced ultrasounds, waiting periods and a host of other anti-laws backed by extremists, do absolutely nothing to change women’s minds. By the time a woman seeks out an abortion provider, her mind is already made up. ("Women Denied an Abortion Feel More Regret and Less Relief Than Those Who Had One", http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2013/08/05/index.html)

The fact is, decisions regarding abortion are entirely a woman’s own. No amount of manipulation by the anti-choice movement is going to change that. Republicans extremists, like those who wrote these laws, don’t want to admit that they shouldn't control what other people do, they use our legal system to try and do just that.

The research shows that
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Both women who were denied an abortion and those who had one reported mixed emotions about their experience. In fact, of the women who reported feeling regret about their near-limit abortion, nine out of 10 also reported relief. Furthermore, feeling negative emotions after an abortion did not indicate that women considered it the wrong decision—-more than eight in 10 women who experienced primarily negative emotions felt that abortion was the correct choice. http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2013/08/05/index.html


More than 90 percent of the women who had an abortion said they made the right decision. On the other hand, forced counseling, ultrasounds, vaginal probes, waiting periods and other anti-choice laws of this nature, do in fact increase the amount of trauma a woman experiences following an abortion. These kinds of laws do nothing to dissuade a woman from having an abortion, but they do help to make her feel bad, because so-called "counseling centers" are run by extreme anti-choice groups. Instead of providing accurate, unbiased information, these centers present false information specifically designed to manipulate the emotions of a woman who is considering abortion. Women who are forced to undergo those types of degrading experiences have not been found to have fewer abortions, but they often experience greater trauma and negative emotions than women who are not forced to go through such experiences.

Determining how many American women have had illegal abortions is exceedingly difficult: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does not track illegal abortions. There is no blood test for drugs like Cytotec, and so such an abortion is indistinguishable from a natural miscarriage, even to a doctor. However, the proliferation of online dispensers suggests a rising demand. There are thousands of websites selling Cytotec for as little as $45 to $75 (compared with $300 to $800 for a legal medicated abortion in a clinic).

If only men could experience what a woman goes through who chooses to have an abortion, how quickly things would change. There's a story of one modern woman in Idaho and what she went through because of that state's anti-abortion laws. I highly recommend it. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/111368/the-rise-d
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One of the things it shows is where we were before abortion was legal in this country:
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Before Roe v. Wade legalized abortion in 1973, American women inserted knitting needles and other sharp objects into their cervixes to end unwanted pregnancies. They put dangerous drugs like the tissue-destroying potassium permanganate into their vaginas, which typically failed to terminate pregnancy but sometimes caused hemorrhage. Elihu Sussman, a retired New York City pediatrician who was working as a medical student at Boston City Hospital in the 1960s, says, “There were thirty beds, and some of them were always filled with women who came in because of septic abortions—four, five, six at any given time.” His wife, Geraldine Sussman, was a student nurse at Bellevue in New York during the same period. “They’d use coat hangers, laundry detergent products,” she says. “A lot of them would rupture their uteruses and end up with hysterectomies. People now don’t realize what it was like. It was awful.”


While things are dramatically different now, because we have these new drugs available, forcing women to abort illegally is still dangerous, and wrong, in my opinion:
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Women continue to purchase abortion drugs on the Web without medical guidance, an undertaking that is more dangerous and fraught. Misuse or fraudulent pills could cause complications. A woman could misjudge the length of her gestation or just decide to take the pills after nine weeks. Or she could unknowingly have a risk factor, such as an ectopic pregnancy.

As I've written before, my mother had a "back-street abortion" when she was young; it was botched, resulting in numerous miscarriages and hospitalizations later in life, culminating with my birth by cesarean and her no longer being able to bear children. I'm glad she's not around to see what's happening now.


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