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Wendy Davis admits to fuzzy facts in bio
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:10 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis, who is running for governor of Texas, has admitted that some of the public details about her personal history are incomplete or inaccurate, according to a report in the Dallas Morning News. Davis, a rising Democratic star, has touted herself as a Texas success story. She has said she was a divorced teenage mother who went from living in a mobile home, juggling low-wage jobs and going to community college to graduating from Harvard Law School. The up-from-nowhere narrative, which emerged during an 11-hour filibuster she staged in June to oppose abortion restrictions, has been a central part of her candidacy and appeal, helping to boost her national profile and fundraising efforts. But the Dallas Morning News reveals a more complicated narrative. According to the paper, Davis was not a divorced working mother living in a mobile home at age 19. Instead, she was 21, and lived in a trailer for a short time. Then after a stint living with her mother, Davis moved into her own apartment. At 24, she married Jeff Davis, a lawyer who, according to the report, helped pay for her final two years of college and cashed out his 401(k) and took out loans to help finance her Harvard law degree. The marriage eventually ended in divorce, with Jeff Davis getting custody of the couple’s youngest daughter and Wendy Davis paying monthly child support. She added: “Most people would identify with the fact that we tend to be defined by the struggles we came through [rather] than by the successes. And certainly for me that’s true,” she said. “When I think about who I am and how it’s reflected in the things I worked on, it comes from that place.”In an extensive interview with the paper, Davis said she had focused on general themes in her personal history, rather than being precise. “My language should be tighter,” she said. “I’m learning about using broader, looser language. I need to be more focused on the detail.” Davis has raised $12 million for her gubernatorial campaign, but she is trailing in her likely match-up against Republican Attorney General Greg Abbott, who has raised about $27 million. She recently hired Joel Benenson, President Obama’s chief pollster. A November poll by the University of Texas and the Texas Tribune showed the race within single digits — Abbott garnered 40 percent of registered voters, while Davis got 34 percent and 25 percent were undecided. Update: Wendy Davis, who is quoted in the Dallas Morning News article, has released this statement in response to the article: “We’re not surprised by Greg Abbott’s campaign attacks on the personal story of my life as a single mother who worked hard to get ahead. But they won’t work, because my story is the story of millions of Texas women who know the strength it takes when you’re young, alone and a mother. I’ve always been open about my life not because my story is unique, but because it isn’t. The truth is that at age 19, I was a teenage mother living alone with my daughter in a trailer and struggling to keep us afloat on my way to a divorce. And I knew then that I was going to have to work my way up and out of that life if I was going to give my daughter a better life and a better future and that’s what I’ve done. I am proud of where I came from and I am proud of what I’ve been able to achieve through hard work and perseverance. And I guarantee you that anyone who tries to say otherwise hasn’t walked a day in my shoes.”
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 AM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:06 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: In that order, the judge ordered that Wendy Davis “be immediately restrained from . . . using illegal drugs or consuming alcohol within 24 hours before or during the period of possession of or access to the child.”
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:49 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The basic elements of the narrative are true, but the full story of Davis’ life is more complicated, as often happens when public figures aim to define themselves. In the shorthand version that has developed, some facts have been blurred. All campaigns seek to cast their candidate in the most positive light and their opponent in less flattering terms. Using her story to inspire new voters, particularly women, youths and minorities, is a key part of the campaign’s strategy to overcome the state’s heavy Republican bent. But likely Republican nominee Greg Abbott and his allies are expected to focus on different details to tell voters a competing story. Some will question how much of her success was her own doing, and how bad her circumstances were to start.
Quote: Sean Agnew ?@seanagnew: “I wouldnt be surprised if her ex husband paid for them. RT @Neal_Dewing: I wouldn’t be surprised if Wendy Davis stole those sneakers.”
Quote:Davis was 21, not 19, when she was divorced. A single mother working two jobs, she met Jeff Davis, a lawyer 13 years older than her, married him and had a second daughter. When Davis got into Harvard, her ex-husband took care of their children and took out funds from his 401(k) account as well as a loan to pay for her final year there. Jeff Davis said “I was making really good money then, well over six figures,” he said. “But when you’ve got someone at Harvard, you’ve got bills to pay, you’ve got two small kids. The economy itself was marginal. You do what you have to do, no big deal.” Jeff Davis said the financial difficulties that Wendy Davis faced before her second marriage were real. “A lot of what she says is true,” he said. “When she was 21, it became a little easier for her. The first 21 years were about working one, two and three jobs, trying to get through, raising a kid, driving an old Toyota pickup truck that was the smallest you could find. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20140118-as-wendy-davis-touts-life-story-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece
Quote:There’s no question Davis struggled financially. When her parents separated, her father, Jerry Russell, started a sandwich shop and fledgling dinner theater. “While he lived that passion, he never made money again and was never able to comply with the terms of my parents’ divorce,” she said. “What it meant for us financially is that things ... completely turned upside down, and it was a real struggle. My brothers and I went to work young — and it was out of necessity, not about wanting to have a little bit of spending money.” She was 17 and still in high school when she moved in with her boyfriend, a construction worker named Frank Underwood. She got pregnant, married and “some time between [age] 19 and 20 was when Frank and I separated,” she said. Davis remained in the mobile home a few months, then moved in with her mother before getting her own apartment. She got custody of her daughter, Amber, and Underwood was ordered to pay child support. Davis was 21. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20140118-as-wendy-davis-touts-life-story-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece
Quote:The claim now is that things weren’t hard for Wendy, even though she grew up helping to support her single mother, and was later a single mother working two jobs while living in an apartment, because she got married at 24 and this man “paid” for her degree (much like a woman works to put her husband through medical school, and this is championed as supporting her man). Never mind that she contributed to the finances after she graduated, as she explained to the DMN, “I was a vibrant part of contributing to our family finances from the time I graduated to the time we separated in 2003.” Martial assets are used to support all members of a family unit, and because everyone contributes (even if it is to work for the future, and therefor can’t be counted in dollars, like the man going to medical school), we don’t say that so-and-so paid for x like a prostitute or accuse them of stealing said education. But the right is now acting as if Wendy Davis stole those pink tennis shoes too, because she apparently stole this Harvard education from this poor man. More at https://www.politicususa.com/2014/01/20/wendy-davis-outraises-opponent-sexist-attacks-explode.html
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I see Geezer and his right-wing buddies have jumped on it big time:
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:10 PM
Quote:RedState’s Erick Erickson Smears Wendy Davis with Bogus ‘Restraining Order’ Story RedState chief and Fox News contributor Erick Erickson has picked up the ball that the Dallas Morning News got rolling against State Sen. and gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis (D-TX) by publishing a bogus hit piece with the sensational headline “Wendy Davis’ Ex Asked a Court to Order Her Not to Use Drugs Before Seeing Her Kids.” Erickson, a prominent supporter of Davis opponent Greg Abbott (R-TX) who once dubbed the blonde Davis “Abortion Barbie,” published a Temporary Restraining Order that he “obtained” by unspecified means, and in a separate story, explained it like this:Quote:It is her ex-husband who talked to a left-of-center Dallas reporter. It is also her ex-husband who asked a Texas District Court to issue a temporary restraining order against Wendy Davis in 2003. In that order, the judge ordered that Wendy Davis “be immediately restrained from . . . using illegal drugs or consuming alcohol within 24 hours before or during the period of possession of or access to the child.” A newspaper airing the sexist grievances of an ex-spouse has standards, and would not make the sick suggestion that Wendy Davis was somehow unfit to be around her children based on a Temporary Restraining Order that’s actually an automatic feature of most divorces involving children ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2012/07/11/divorcing-women-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-atros/). From the Divorce and Family Law in Tarrant County, Texas blog (emphasis mine):Quote:In Texas, our Family Code provides standard language for restraining orders that can be requested and served on parties at the beginning of a divorce. To a layperson, the language may seem harsh and even accusatory. Parties who get served with a restraining order often read a lot of details into it and make a lot of assumptions. In the court system, however, little significance is attached to it. A very common procedure is for a party to file for a divorce and request a temporary restraining order (TRO) and an order setting hearing. In some counties in Texas, there’s an automatic order that goes into effect immediately against both parties (it’s made “mutual”), to preserve the status quo. In Tarrant County, we don’t have that immediate “standing order”, but judges routinely grant TROs and then make them mutual at the first hearing date. In other words, the TRO is effective against the party who gets served with it, beginning with the time of service, and then the same language is normally applied against both parties when the judge starts making temporary orders. Sometimes parties served with a TRO are worried that they have been accused of a wide range of bad acts. That’s not the case. A TRO is just an example of a fairly common approach in the law that says “Don’t do these things”, without saying “I think you did these things in the past”. TROs are routine and courts don’t put any significance on them as far as proof, or even accusations, of past acts. It’s really like everyone is starting with a clean slate and the judge says to leave things as they are and don’t do anything to harm the other party. Bottom Line: Don’t sweat it if you get served with a TRO. Take it to your lawyer and go over the details so you can comply with it in the future. Your reputation is still intact. http://dick-price.blogspot.com/2010/07/temporary-restraining-order-tro.html Not if prominent Greg Abbott supporter Erick Erickson has anything to do with it. http://www.mediaite.com/online/redstates-erick-erickson-smears-wendy-davis-with-bogus-restraining-order-story/
Quote:It is her ex-husband who talked to a left-of-center Dallas reporter. It is also her ex-husband who asked a Texas District Court to issue a temporary restraining order against Wendy Davis in 2003. In that order, the judge ordered that Wendy Davis “be immediately restrained from . . . using illegal drugs or consuming alcohol within 24 hours before or during the period of possession of or access to the child.”
Quote:In Texas, our Family Code provides standard language for restraining orders that can be requested and served on parties at the beginning of a divorce. To a layperson, the language may seem harsh and even accusatory. Parties who get served with a restraining order often read a lot of details into it and make a lot of assumptions. In the court system, however, little significance is attached to it. A very common procedure is for a party to file for a divorce and request a temporary restraining order (TRO) and an order setting hearing. In some counties in Texas, there’s an automatic order that goes into effect immediately against both parties (it’s made “mutual”), to preserve the status quo. In Tarrant County, we don’t have that immediate “standing order”, but judges routinely grant TROs and then make them mutual at the first hearing date. In other words, the TRO is effective against the party who gets served with it, beginning with the time of service, and then the same language is normally applied against both parties when the judge starts making temporary orders. Sometimes parties served with a TRO are worried that they have been accused of a wide range of bad acts. That’s not the case. A TRO is just an example of a fairly common approach in the law that says “Don’t do these things”, without saying “I think you did these things in the past”. TROs are routine and courts don’t put any significance on them as far as proof, or even accusations, of past acts. It’s really like everyone is starting with a clean slate and the judge says to leave things as they are and don’t do anything to harm the other party. Bottom Line: Don’t sweat it if you get served with a TRO. Take it to your lawyer and go over the details so you can comply with it in the future. Your reputation is still intact. http://dick-price.blogspot.com/2010/07/temporary-restraining-order-tro.html
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:16 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:19 PM
STORYMARK
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:21 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:25 PM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:29 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Geezer selectively editing to push an agenda?
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: No, Kiki...he CHOSE to post only the WaPo article, one might wonder if he did so because it DIDN'T contain all the information in the original article, which one wouldn't ever know if one didn't bother to go to the original DallasNews interview. Note that the interview itself is NOT linked anywhere in the WaPo article, despite that being from where the information came...because he was kind enough to link the ORIGINAL article as an after thought, I followed up on it.
Quote:I also didn't "dig up" "insults"...I googled to find out more about the story, the tweets came up and I found them there and other places. It's called researching a story, and by googling, it became obvious what the right wing is doing and I found specific examples.
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:51 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Her husband helped put her through college--I don't believe she ever claimed he didn't, he had no problem doing so just as millions of women have helped put their husbands through college.
Quote:While they dated, Wendy Davis enrolled at Texas Christian University on an academic scholarship and a Pell Grant. After they married, when she was 24, they moved into a historic home in the Mistletoe Heights neighborhood of Fort Worth. Jeff Davis paid for her final two years at TCU. “It was community resources. We paid for it together,” Wendy Davis said. When she was accepted to Harvard Law School, Jeff Davis cashed in his 401(k) account and eventually took out a loan to pay for her final year there. “I was making really good money then, well over six figures,” he said. “But when you’ve got someone at Harvard, you’ve got bills to pay, you’ve got two small kids. The economy itself was marginal. You do what you have to do, no big deal.”
Quote:Again: Did I post a single thing which is inaccurate, and please show clearly how I "covered up" anything at all?
Quote:Like any true Texan, Wendy Davis has taken on her share of tough fights. Raised by a single mother, Wendy began working after school at age 14 to help support her mom and three siblings. By 19, she was on her way to becoming a single mother, working two jobs just to make ends meet. Knowing that education was the only path to creating a better life for her young daughter, Wendy enrolled at Tarrant County Community College. After two years, she transferred to Texas Christian University. With the help of academic scholarships, student loans, and state and federal grants, Wendy became the first person in her family to earn a bachelor’s degree, graduated first in her class, and went on to Harvard Law School.
Quote:I'll leave you to it; you are behaving more and more like a troll and I'm not going to encourage you further.
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:56 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:56 PM
WHOZIT
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Geezer selectively editing to push an agenda? No. Citing the WaPo story in full, then, since WaPo didn't provide a link to the DMN, doing that. But all you want to do is cover up for Ms. Davis' fuzzy facts. "When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Right wingers indulging in misogynistic character assassination?
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:53 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:02 PM
Quote: A newspaper airing the sexist grievances of an ex-spouse has standards, and would not make the sick suggestion that Wendy Davis was somehow unfit to be around her children based on a Temporary Restraining Order
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:11 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:51 PM
Quote: Wendy Davis is under fire following a Dallas Morning News report that found a number of factual discrepancies in the personal narrative she has made a centerpiece of her long-shot campaign for Texas governor. Davis, who is quoted multiple times in the article, issued a statement after its publication suggesting that her Republican opponent, Greg Abbott, was behind the “attacks.” Davis said that for Abbott, who has been a paraplegic for nearly three decades, to question her story proves that he “hasn’t walked a day in my shoes.”
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:28 PM
Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:53 PM
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Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:47 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: You see guys, he can be taught! SGG hee, hee ;-)
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:38 AM
Quote:Wendy Davis is bigger than Texas now, and so are her mistakes. If Republicans can’t keep their hold on Texas, they’ll never win back the White House. So every Davis misstep or misfire becomes early national campaign fodder for 2016. That’s why, almost 20 years into her local political career, we are suddenly worried about exactly how long in 1982 the Democratic gubernatorial candidate and her newborn daughter lived in a Southeast Loop 820 mobile home park. And we’re parsing her Richland-Hills-to-riches story about a teen mother who divorced, remarried and became a wealthy title company lawyer. Until now, not one of her often bitter political opponents ever asked whether she was truly a “single” teen mother in 1982 or only “separated” from her husband. Nor did anyone criticize her parenting of two daughters or air allegations from a divorce. Now, she’s important enough for reporters to double-check facts in her still-too-vague campaign biography and for national Republican bloggers to rise up in finger-shaking condemnation. A colleague from her City Council days agreed to talk about Davis. Becky Haskin let me quote her by name. She is a Republican. “What that comment really tells you is how hard Wendy works,” Haskin said Tuesday as networks went national with the “Wendy-Flubbed-Bio” story. “She did what she had to do for her daughters,” said Haskin, a seven-year council colleague. Haskin was on the council during Davis’ 2003 separation and 2005 divorce from title company lawyer Jeff Davis, who once represented Haskin’s east-side council district. As far as Davis’ parenting or custodial role after the divorce, Haskin’s comments were succinct. “If this involved a man running for office, none of this would ever come up,” she said. “It’s so sad. Every time I ran, somebody said I needed to be home with my kids. Nobody ever talks about men being responsible parents.” Haskin has endorsed other Republicans this cycle but said she will support Davis. “It’s fun to watch the people in this race scrambling,” Haskin said. “They wouldn’t be talking about Wendy if she weren’t a threat.” http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/21/5503157/davis-and-trailergate-part-campaign.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: And really - helping pay for a single year, is "putting her through college?"
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Is "fuzzy" another way of saying "lying phoney?"
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote:Wendy Davis is bigger than Texas now, and so are her mistakes. Now, she’s important enough for reporters to double-check facts in her still-too-vague campaign biography and for national Republican bloggers to rise up in finger-shaking condemnation.
Quote:Wendy Davis is bigger than Texas now, and so are her mistakes. Now, she’s important enough for reporters to double-check facts in her still-too-vague campaign biography and for national Republican bloggers to rise up in finger-shaking condemnation.
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:11 PM
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:19 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:20 PM
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: One of these days Geezer will post a thread criticising a Republican.
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:35 PM
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: And really - helping pay for a single year, is "putting her through college?" Learn to read. "Jeff Davis paid for her final two years at TCU. “It was community resources. We paid for it together,” Wendy Davis said. When she was accepted to Harvard Law School, Jeff Davis cashed in his 401(k) account and eventually took out a loan to pay for her final year there." "When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Neither of those sources "condemned" her;
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Ok, so I missed one detail. My mistake. Now, can you explain how 3 out of 7 years is putting her through school (apparently you don't count the 4 she covered... funny that).
Quote:Davis paid for Russell's last two years at TCU and paid for his wife's education at Harvard Law School from 1990 to 1993.
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:38 PM
Quote:"Wendy left home at 17, married when she was 18 and had her first daughter Amber when she was 19. She and her husband lived in a trailer, and Wendy continued to live there with Amber after they were separated." "As a single mother at age 19, she often struggled to make ends meet," the statement continued. "Wendy filed for divorce when she was 20 and she and Amber lived for a short time with her mother. The divorce became final when she was 21." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/20/report-wendy-davis-life-story-more-complicated-than-compelling-narrative/?hpt=hp_t2
Quote:Issa appears to have lied about his background. The congressman, for example, claimed to receive the "highest possible" ratings during his Army career, despite the fact that at one point he "received unsatisfactory conduct and efficiency ratings and was transferred to a supply depot." Issa also claimed to have provided security for President Nixon in 1971, which wasn't true, and a national Entrepreneur of the Year award Issa claimed to have won, but didn't. Issa has twice sought statewide office in California, but his scandalous past derailed both bids. That past, apparently, does not bother House Republicans, who recently handed Issa broad oversight authority and subpoena power. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_01/027579.php
Quote:Disgraced Rep. Wes Cooley (R-Ore.) pleaded innocent today to charges that he lied in two 1994 state election guides when he said he served in the U.S. military in Korea. Cooley dropped his re-election bid this year amid controversy over accusations that he lied about his background. Each of the counts against Cooley carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $100,000 fine. He faces a separate probe into whether he lied about the date of his marriage, so that his wife could continue to collect benefits as a Marine widow. http://cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/9612/16/briefs/
Quote:During his rise to political prominence, Sen. Marco Rubio frequently repeated a compelling version of his family’s history that had special resonance in South Florida. He was the “son of exiles,” he told audiences, Cuban Americans forced off their beloved island after “a thug,” Fidel Castro, took power. But a review of documents — including naturalization papers and other official records — reveals that the Florida Republican’s account embellishes the facts. The documents show that Rubio’s parents came to the United States and were admitted for permanent residence more than two-and-a-half years before Castro’s forces overthrew the Cuban government and took power on New Year’s Day 1959. Details at http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubios-compelling-family-story-embellishes-facts-documents-show/2011/10/20/gIQAaVHD1L_story.html?hpid=z3
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: No, unlike Geezer and Rap, I do NOT want to threadjack this into a discussion of someone from the right.
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: It's all so amazingly absurd, given she definitely WAS a single mother at 20 when she filed for divorce, and the right wing is all hung up on her not being officially "divorced" until she was 21, and Geezer's obsession over the details...
Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:06 PM
Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Jezus, Geez, give it up. College is four years--he paid for two. Harvard lists their J.D. program as three years--he paid for one. So he paid for three of the seven years she was at university; "paid for most of it"...liar. How many women have worked to pay for their husband's law degrees/medical degrees/etc.? And in those cases, how many have then been dumped, once the husband starts making good money, for a younger woman? The ONLY reason you can be so compulsive about this is that Davis is a Democrat...tho' I notice you've FINALLY stopped insisting you're "nonpartisan". Obsessive, much? ...I guess that should read "or very obsessed".
Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:39 AM
Quote: Bravo for Wendy Davis, she picked herself up by her bootstraps. Funny how conservatives talk a good game about personal responsibility, and when someone achieves what she has, they call her all kinds of names .
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