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80,000 people protested in NC this weekend. Here’s why.

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Monday, February 10, 2014 3:16 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Here's the REAL story, not that bullshit about bringing ID to a protest:
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An estimated 80,000 to 100,000 people gathered outside the North Carolina State Capitol Saturday morning for the Moral March in Raleigh. The march was the culmination of a year of Moral Monday protests at the State Capitol organized by The Forward Together Movement, a "fusion movement" of over 150 groups fighting for mostly progressive causes in North Carolina.





A year ago, only 15,000 turned out for the same march in Raleigh. The leap in turnout is a good indicator of the growing support for the movement's agenda in the months before the 2014 midterms, and a show of how much more popular the movement has become since last February.

So why were nearly 100,000 people in the streets of Raleigh on Saturday? Mostly dissatisfaction with the current state government, which has left North Carolina -- once a bastion of progressive policy-making from both parties -- a petri dish for Tea Party political experimentation in the eyes of Reverend Dr. William J. Barber, president of the North Carolina chapter of NAACP and leader of the Forward Together Movement.

In an interview with the Washington Post on Friday, Barber said, "the governor and the legislature is trying to say we’re in the middle of a Carolina comeback. We got a team of experts, economists, professors, etc., together, and they said we’re in the middle of a Carolina setback. No way you can spin what’s happening to us."

Earlier in the year, Gov. Pat McCrory, who was ushered into Raleigh on the same wave that brought in the new Republican state legislature, called the Moral Monday protests "unacceptable" and "unlawful demonstrations." He added, “But lawful demonstrations we welcome. That is the great part of our democracy.”

One state senator called the weekly protests, "Moron Mondays." It is unclear how McCrory and the state legislature will respond to the demands made on Saturday -- which featured no civil disobedience -- and the ongoing efforts of the group. Barber responds to the backlash by noting that Republican leaders in North Carolina have "done what no politician should ever do: they made everyone mad."

Here is a list of the main reasons those tens of thousands of people were mad and marching -- and why Barber's breed of activism -- using the Christian right's favorite political ammunition for progressive ends -- is starting to pop up in state capitals all across the South.

Outside Spending

In 2006, Barber helped found the Historic Thousands on Jones St. (HKonJ) People's Assembly Coalition. The group's aim was to push for progressive reform in the state by explaining the moral underpinnings of issues like income inequality, women's rights, LGBT rights, and education. HKonJ's first big event was a rally held in February 2007, when around 3,500 supporters met in Raleigh. They have held a big rally outside the State Capitol every February since.

For the next few years, HKonJ kept fighting to make the moderate Democrats in the General Assembly consider their progressive reforms, and racked up some notable successes. In 2010, however, the political battlefield in North Carolina shifted dramatically. For the first time since 1870, Republicans had won a majority in the General Assembly. North Carolina became the national poster child of what donors were capable of in post-Citizens United election cycles — especially in state and local elections where an additional million dollars can radically alter the fundamentals of an electoral contest.

Art Pope, owner of a chain of discount stores in the South, was pinpointed as one of the chief funders of Republican candidates that year -- groups affiliated with Pope spent over $2 million influencing legislative races in 2010, according to the News & Observer.

Candidates supported by the Pope family won 78 percent of their races. Chris Heagarty, a Democrat who lost a campaign in Wake County that year, told New Yorker writer Jane Mayer, "For an individual to have so much power is frightening. The government of North Carolina is for sale."

The goals of the North Carolina NAACP and its sister organizations had to shift from moving the Democratic legislature to the left to keeping the newly elected legislature —where the Tea Party was well-represented —from erasing the gains they had made in the past four years.

Redistricting

The chief spoil awarded to a party that wins a state legislature in a year ending with "10" is the chance to design electoral districts for the following ten years. The new legislators elected in North Carolina in 2010 created an electoral map that opponents saw as a clear case of gerrymandering. Here's a quick history of the term gerrymandering, via Robert Draper:
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Serving as his second vice president was Elbridge Gerry, who as the governor of Massachusetts in 1812 had presided over a redrawing of the state map so blatant in its partisan manipulations that the curiously tailored shape of one Boston-area district resembled a salamander. The term gerrymander has been used ever since to describe the contorting of districts beyond all reason save political gain.


The newly elected assembly members in North Carolina, like most newly elected state legislators (and the Democratic North Carolina legislators who preceded them), were intent on preserving their change of fortunes in 2010. Parts of North Carolina were previously covered by Section 3 of the Voting Rights Act, which mean that states known for racial discrimination in the past needed to have their newly drawn electoral districts "precleared" by the U.S. Justice Department. The Justice Department approved the 2011 redistricting plan, but when the Supreme Court invalidated Section 3 last June, lawsuits challenging the 2011 redistricting efforts began to appear. A News & Observer article from last November laid out the case:
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The architects of the 2011 redistricting, the three voters contend, “ignored the common rural and agricultural interests” of Coastal Plain residents that federal courts have previously recognized. Durham, the newly added urban center, constitutes 25 percent of the district’s population. ... “A person traveling on Interstate 85 between the two cities would exit the district multiple times, as the district’s boundaries zig and zag to encircle African-American communities,” the federal lawsuit contends.


Dave Weigel summed up the total effect of the changes last October: "the new North Carolina map packs Democrats into a small number of ultra-safe seats and gives Republicans largely-safe seats that will be un-loseable in anything but a wave election."

Analysis from the North Carolina Free Enterprise Foundation showed 44 General Assembly districts leaned or were safe for Democrats. Sixty-six districts lean or are safely Republican, and ten are swing districts. A panels of justices in North Carolina upheld the districts in July 2013. The NAACP appealed the decision in August, and the state Supreme Court heard oral arguments on the case in early January. Brent Laurenz, executive director of the North Carolina Center for Voter Education, told the Carolina Public Press, “So far no court has stepped in to to say there’s a problem. I’m not terribly sure we’ll see that.”

The NAACP and other progressive groups in North Carolina contend that the massive infusion of outside spending, coupled with the new districts, is the reason Republicans had 33 seats in the 50-seat Senate and 77 seats in the 120-seat General Assembly after the 2012 election.

In 2012, former Charlotte mayor Pat McCrory won the North Carolina gubernatorial election with 54.6 percent of the vote in the first statewide race with the new districts. Although he was seen as a moderate Republican official during his mayoral tenure and time on the Charlotte city council, his platform during the governor's race has followed the legislature further to the right. He is the first Republican governor in North Carolina in over 20 years. Bloomberg reporters described the change in his policy views after he was elected:
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A different McCrory emerged in the gubernatorial campaign, Fitzsimon said. He spoke against President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul at rallies sponsored by Americans for Prosperity, a non-profit group funded by billionaire industrialists David and Charles Koch. He endorsed a Tea Party- backed measure condemning as “extreme environmentalism” a 20- year-old United Nations statement in favor of urban planning and energy conservation. He told the Charlotte Observer that he supported a ban on gay marriage.

The governor's office declined to comment on the Moral March for this article.

These are the things that led Republicans to take over North Carolina government, but the thousands rallying in Raleigh this weekend have more of an issue with the legislation passed by the new government than the process that got them there.

Voting Rights



Protecting voting rights is one of the chief aims of Barber's group. Last summer, soon after a state court rejected a lawsuit against the 2011 redistricting map, the North Carolina legislature passed a new voting law after three hours of debate, which was then signed by Gov. McCrory. The two provisions of the law that received the most attention were a new voter-ID requirement and changes to early voting regulations. Seventy percent of black voters used early voting in 2008 and 2012, and 318,000 registered voters don't have photo ID, which are a free, but likely time consuming, acquisition under the new law.

However, the law was far more expansive than that. As Reid Wilson pointed out, the 56-page "Monster" law also had provisions eliminating public financing, making it nearly impossible to register online, a new prohibition on letting 16-year-olds preregister, a repeal on the requirement that candidates say “I’m Candidate X, and I approve this message," at the end of a campaign advertisement, an elimination of state-sponsored voter registration drives. Other changes, like the one making it even harder for lobbyists to get involved in election fundraising, were the type of things that those looking to expand election access love.

On whole though, University of California, Irvine political science professor Rick Hasen thought,
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this North Carolina measure is the most sweeping anti-voter law in at least decades. I’m not big on using the term “voter suppression,” which I think is overused and often inaccurate, but it is hard to see this law as justified on anti-fraud, public confidence, or efficiency grounds. The intent here is to make it harder for people—especially non-white people and those likely to vote Democratic–to register or cast a vote that will be counted. It also makes money matter more in North Carolina politics and kills public financing of the North Carolina courts.

The Justice Department agreed, and filed a suit against North Carolina because of the new law, the first voting legislation passed after the Supreme Court's Voting Rights Act ruling. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement this September, "By restricting access and ease of voter participation, this new law would shrink, rather than expand, access to the franchise. Allowing limits on voting rights that disproportionately exclude minority voters would be inconsistent with our ideals as a nation. Whenever warranted by the facts and the law, the department will not hesitate to use the tools and legal authorities at our disposal to fight against racial discrimination, to stand against disenfranchisement, and to safeguard the right of every eligible American to cast a ballot."

Two other suits were filed by groups in North Carolina, with an expansive list of plaintiffs including the NAACP and the League of Women Voters. The cases won't be heard until July 2015 — many months after the important 2014 elections. The NAACP are currently hoping to win an injunction that would delay the start of many of the law's provisions until after November.

Education



North Carolina once stood as a model for desegregation, just as it stood as a model for voter access. Newsweek wrote in 2010 that "in Charlotte, federally mandated busing ensured balance until 1999, when a court ruled that integration had been accomplished. Since then the number of 90 percent–minority schools has jumped almost fivefold. In Wayne County, one high school is now 99 percent African-American, which prompted the NAACP to file a federal complaint alleging 'apartheid education.'"

In 2011, the General Assembly lifted the cap on charter schools, which has previously held at 100. Many applauded the policy change, and around 30 charter schools were in the works for 2014.

Duke University researchers also found last year that charter schools can often exacerbate existing segregation issues in North Carolina: "Whereas 30 percent of regular public school students attended a racially unbalanced school (one with less than 20 percent or more than 80 percent minority enrollment), more than 60 percent of charter school students attended a racially unbalanced school." The investment in charter schools has left the available funds for public schools notably smaller. In the 2012-2013 school year, only three states — Texas, Utah, and Arizona — spend less per public student in the state. Funding for pre-K in the state was cut by 20 percent — $548 million. Enrollment dropped by 19 percent from 2011 to 2012, the biggest drop in the country.

The state government has responded to some of the complaints — today Governor McCrory announced a new bill that would raise starting salaries for North Carolina teachers, which are currently ranked 47th in the nation.

Income Inequality



Cuts affecting the poorest residents of North Carolina have been among the most controversial moves made by the state government in the past year. As on January 1, 2014, 900,000 working households were no longer receiving the Earned Income Tax Credit, because North Carolina became the only state to completely eliminate it.

According to research provided by the legislature's fiscal research agency, the tax-reform bill passed by the General Assembly will provide notable tax breaks to the wealthiest residents in the state, while increasing the tax burden of the poorest residents. Sales taxes were also hiked. The state also declined, along with 25 other states, to take part in the Medicaid expansion offered by the Affordable Care Act. Around 500,000 North Carolina residents would have been eligible for Medicaid under the expansion. The state just paid a D.C. consulting firm $3 million to fix their Medicaid program last Friday.

The state cut unemployment benefits on July 1, 2013 and the state's unemployment rate later dropped faster than any state in the country. Republican leaders in North Carolina credited new jobs and the fact that workers were taking available jobs thanks to the disappearance of jobless benefits. Progressive groups instead pointed at the 110,000 North Carolina residents who stopped looking for a job last year. A University of North Carolina researcher interviewed by the Winston-Salem Journal last month said, “If we took all the people who left the labor force in 2013 and put them back in the labor force, and then recalculated the unemployment rate for December, it’d be 9.1 percent instead of 6.9 percent."

Other Issues

Although economic and electoral issues provide the backbone of the Forward Together Movement's complaints, many of the 150 groups that have joined forces with the NAACP have sought to add women's rights, LGBT rights, and other issues to the mix. Healthcare and environmental groups have also joined the fray. This inclusiveness is likely one of the foremost reasons so many people turned out in Raleigh on Saturday — Reverend Barber has provided a forum for North Carolina residents to voice their complaints with the state government, and they welcome all who have something to say.





The Forward Together Movement leadership are also adamant that they aren't a Democratic v. Republican movement. As Barber puts it, "This is a moral versus immoral battle." He finished a 16-city tour in North Carolina shortly before the Moral March, and there were more than a few Republicans and Republican groups who were willing to join him. The reason? "We found common ground," Barber said on Friday. "The Republicans who have joined us, they’ve said 'we’re not extremists, we’re Republicans.' They know you can’t kick people when they’re down. The problem with McCrory and Art Pope and his team, is that they overreached. Some of the issues we’re fighting for, we’d be perfectly happy to elect a Republican who stands for these things."

What's Next?

The next big event on Barber's agenda is preparing for the 2014 elections. He said that the Forward Together Movement is "battling this on all fronts: in the courts, in the streets, in the legislature and at the ballot box."

The courts, streets, and legislature prongs of this approach have been listed above, but the ballot box is perhaps where the true test of the movement's efforts will take place. A poll released by High Point University last week shows that only 37 percent of voters approve of Governor Pat McCrory. Thirty-two percent approve of General Assembly. Only 23 percent of the poll respondents think North Carolina is headed in the right direction.

Registration booths were set up at Saturday's events, and the 945 people arrested during Moral Mondays last year pledged to register new voters. As Barber puts it, "North Carolina is 23 percent African-American and 2 percent Hispanic. We only need around 25 percent of whites to vote with us to have a majority."

Another big development that's sure to get more attention in the next couple of months is how far Barber's influence has spread across the South. The model of using morality as a way to fight for progressive issues, and a way of challenging the Christian Right's use of religion, is starting to spread to other states as well.

The Moral Monday movement in Georgia has been protesting the state's Stand Your Ground law. Barber adds, "The movements across the South must be indigenous. No one’s parachuting in to start a movement. But the spirit of the movement, that’s already spread, to Georgia, to Alabama, to Florida, they’re thinking of starting Moral Mondays there. Twelve states have called us about the methodology of our movement." http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/02/10/why-tens-of-
thousands-of-people-were-rallying-in-raleigh
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I see why the right wanted to slather the internet with some cock-and-bull story about being asked to bring ID to the protest. That's what they WANT the news to be full of, not what's going on in North Carolina and that there are 80,000+ voices raised against it!

Unfortunately, I fear the days when protesting did any good may be behind us now, sadly...

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Monday, February 10, 2014 3:51 PM

OONJERAH



Applause for a Great rally!

I was gonna ask you, Niki, what's become of Occupy? ...
rather than try to figure it out myself.

If Protesting is no longer effective, what's to be done?


====================== :>

“History is a set of lies agreed upon.” - Napoleon Bonaparte

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Monday, February 10, 2014 3:59 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


More from the protest:







And now I fully understand why the story about the "ID" thing--try googling "North Carolina protest 2014" or "North Carolina NAACP Protest 2014"--many of the stories that come up on Google are about the ID thing! What better way to slather the internet than to put out tons of stories about a non-issue so that the actual issue of 80,000-to-100,000 people standing up to be heard against injustice gets overwhelmed? Savvy internet trolling.

To avoid getting swamped with those stories, you have to know the NAME of the protest: "Moral Monday Protest 2014" brings up none of them. Interesting.

By the way, in the midst of all that Googling, I found it's spreading from North Carolina:
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For those of you who have been following and supporting the growth and development of the North Carolina grassroots political movement and Moral Monday protests, there is good news for 2014. The movement is moving forward and is now expanding its efforts into neighboring Georgia.

The first major protest of Moral Monday GA will be taking place next Monday, January 13th.
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Moral Monday Georgia is a multiracial, multi-issue coalition of citizens working for positive change for the public good. For too long, many elected officials in Georgia have ignored the moral implications of their actions and inactions with respect to the neediest among us. Our coalition stands against all forms of discrimination and amplifies the voices and ideas of folks in marginalized circumstances.

Together we are building the collective voice of the people to be heard over the voices of big business, corrupt money and repressive government by fighting for legislative and public policy issues to improve ordinary people’s lives. In practice, we seek to contribute to the creation of a more just and peaceful society where dialogue, debate and discussion prevail, and will work to achieve consensus in our group without silencing minority voices.

Moral Mondays coming to Georgia State Capitol



The first Georgia-based event of the grassroots social justice movement Moral Mondays will occur, organized by the new group Moral Monday Georgia. The issue of the day will be the governor's decision not to accept federal funds to expand Medicaid [see accompanying article on Medicaid expansion], and the schedule includes legislator visits, a workshop and a rally outside the capitol featuring numerous speakers.

Moral Mondays started in North Carolina in 2012 to protest controversial laws passed by their Republican governor and legislature. Typically it is a civil disobedience protest, marked by a mass entrance into the capitol where many are peacefully arrested. Thousands of people showed up on Mondays to disrupt the legislative session with more than 900 willing to be arrested as part of their civil disobedience. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/08/1268029/-Moral-Monday-protest
s-spread-from-NC-to-GA




Notice last sentence, underlined. That's the point of the IDs; in organized demonstrations, those of us willing to be arrested volunteer for same; everyone else, we try to keep safe so they can go home. But obviously you can't be absolutely certain how things will turn out, people might get arrested who didn't plan on it, and people can get hurt who don't expect to (or deserve to), so having ID is a NECESSARY precaution when demonstrating.

Lastly, apparently these Moral Monday protests have been going on since 2012, they've only now swelled to the point where the MSM can't ignore them as easily. I'd never heard of them before today. So much for the media being in the pocket of the liberals...what bullshit.

I wish them well; I hope they can accomplish what we in Occupy couldn't, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Monday, February 10, 2014 4:07 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooonj, posted that before I saw yours. We're still alive and well, but in smaller groups, protesting specific local things. We're by no means dead, and we're still around in some of the strangest places (like Duluth! http://occupyduluth.org/2014/01/), and of course the more obvious places like San Francisco, etc. "Occupy Wall Street" is still out there, planning, holding General Assemblies ( http://www.nycga.net/events/) and waiting for a spark ( http://www.examiner.com/article/occupy-wall-street-returns-2014).

I'd post more, but Jim just whispered in my ear that it's 1:00--eeep!--and I promised to make lunch, so I'm outta here. Got too fascinated by the North Carolina stuff, ended up wandering around the internet...


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Monday, February 10, 2014 4:58 PM

CHRISISALL


Good stuff Niki, thanks.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:42 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Turns out it was more like 100,000...and did you hear anything about it??? I found this interesting,
from "Reflections of a Radical Centrist":
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There is no more “News” media: 100,000 people protested on Saturday, and we never heard about it.



"That is a picture of around one hundred-thousand people marching through Raleigh this past Saturday, protesting a whole raft of screw-everybody-but-rich-white-male-Repub laws that are being foisted upon the populace by North Carolina’s 100% Teapublican government. And here is a link to a local report ( http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9424567).

And did you hear about this on the national “news” programs, Gentle Reader? No, you did not. You heard about the Olympics, various celebrity peccadillos, a politician’s 1990's sex life, and lots of finger-pointing tripe from Congress.

It is apparently too much to expect our Infotainment industry to cover a huge grass-roots march by ordinary people, asking for ordinary things, in an ordinary way. You see, the “news” media is no longer about news, and hasn’t been since the 1970's. The Reaganistas deregulated the media , making truth play second fiddle to profits. Second fiddle, Hell, they made truth a friggin’ understudy. Ratings and ad revenue determine what gets played on TeeVee “news” programs these days.

The only way for a citizen’s protest to get shown on national media would be to add a professional celebrity: have a Kardashian get a divorce during the march, or perhaps have Miley Cyrus twerking on a wrecking ball at the head of the march. Something shallow and meaningless to attract the “journalists”, and once they have taken the bait, the marchers force them to listen to, and then report on, something substantial, something that people actually need to know.

Because as of now, the lives and concerns of ordinary Americans are guaranteed not to be broadcast on the “news". http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/there-is-no-more-news-m
edia-100000-people-protested-on-saturday-and-we-never-heard-about-it
/


I get he/she's pissed, and I agree.


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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Niki2:
It is apparently too much to expect our Infotainment industry to cover a huge grass-roots march by ordinary people, asking for ordinary things, in an ordinary way. You see, the “news” media is no longer about news, and hasn’t been since the 1970's. The Reaganistas deregulated the media , making truth play second fiddle to profits. Second fiddle, Hell, they made truth a friggin’ understudy. Ratings and ad revenue determine what gets played on TeeVee “news” programs these days.

The only way for a citizen’s protest to get shown on national media would be to add a professional celebrity: have a Kardashian get a divorce during the march, or perhaps have Miley Cyrus twerking on a wrecking ball at the head of the march. Something shallow and meaningless to attract the “journalists”, and once they have taken the bait, the marchers force them to listen to, and then report on, something substantial, something that people actually need to know.

Because as of now, the lives and concerns of ordinary Americans are guaranteed not to be broadcast on the “news".



I find this to be infinitely humorous.

Kim Kardashian and Miley Cyrus and (ENTER ANY CELEB NAME HERE) are the reason you got your President in not one, but two elections.

Your guys OWN the Media Niki. Don't bitch to me about what they want to show the public.

I can't stop laughing at the irony of your mentality here. I'm seriously so tickled by this that I'm having a hard time not putting my hand down my pants and straight up going to town. I'm feeling so goddamed giddy right now.

Thanks for the belated Christmas present ;)


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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:32 AM

FREMDFIRMA



And the media continues to ignore them, while they are kettled, corralled, blacklisted, watchlisted and in some cases arrested, therefore limiting their future options and discrediting them thoroughly...

Tell me, did they accomplish what they wished for, or just conveniently wrecked themselves once again playing by the rules of the enemy, at the enemys table, with the enemys marked deck ?

Without the threat of force, a protest has no teeth, and the powers that be have captitalized on nonviolent resistance as an easy way to set the trap and fuck over anyone DUMB enough to walk right into it any more.

Oh, and Jack, you're a fucking moron, follow the goddamn money before you make assertions of which you have no bloody clue, because if you wanna discuss media ownership, it falls very heavily on the OTHER side, you're just not only too stupid and ignorant to know it, you've also chugga-chugged the propaganda like a good little stupid bitch, and made yourself a fucking laughingstock as a result.
You wanna argue a point, try being actually informed first, dickhead.

-Frem

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Oh, and Jack, you're a fucking moron, follow the goddamn money before you make assertions of which you have no bloody clue, because if you wanna discuss media ownership, it falls very heavily on the OTHER side, you're just not only too stupid and ignorant to know it, you've also chugga-chugged the propaganda like a good little stupid bitch, and made yourself a fucking laughingstock as a result.
You wanna argue a point, try being actually informed first, dickhead.

-Frem



Now that wasn't very nice Frem. :)

So... without putting much more thought into what you're saying to me here, am I correct in assuming that the media love for Obama for the last 8 years or so was actually orchestrated by the Rethuglican controlled media?

Stranger things have happened, so I'm not arguing the point.

Before you go all Asshole on me again though, I'm just bringing up the point that while GWB was in office the only segement of the mainstream media that the Lefties didn't like was Fox News and the Drudge Report.

I'm finding it absolutely hilarious that Niki is decrying the entire mainstream media today, now that after nearly two terms of her "Change" really hasn't amounted to any change at all.

The "Media" (that according to you is owned by the "Righties") must still say a lot of things that Niki agrees with though. Any given week here in the RWED there are no less than 20 new threads she creates and puts the entire article in quotes instead of just linking the article.



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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I am saying you've been spoon fed a false narrative and gobbled it up like a moron, without properly checking the facts first.
Media "Ownership" is from a pure financial perspective, weighted heavily on the Conservative side - whilst media Bias is in general weighted heavily toward whatever flavor of the week is in power at the time.

Here, educate yourself, dumbass.
http://fair.org/

-F

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:15 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
It is apparently too much to expect our Infotainment industry to cover a huge grass-roots march by ordinary people, asking for ordinary things, in an ordinary way. You see, the “news” media is no longer about news, and hasn’t been since the 1970's. The Reaganistas deregulated the media , making truth play second fiddle to profits. Second fiddle, Hell, they made truth a friggin’ understudy. Ratings and ad revenue determine what gets played on TeeVee “news” programs these days.

The only way for a citizen’s protest to get shown on national media would be to add a professional celebrity: have a Kardashian get a divorce during the march, or perhaps have Miley Cyrus twerking on a wrecking ball at the head of the march. Something shallow and meaningless to attract the “journalists”, and once they have taken the bait, the marchers force them to listen to, and then report on, something substantial, something that people actually need to know.

Because as of now, the lives and concerns of ordinary Americans are guaranteed not to be broadcast on the “news".



I find this to be infinitely humorous.

Kim Kardashian and Miley Cyrus and (ENTER ANY CELEB NAME HERE) are the reason you got your President in not one, but two elections.

Your guys OWN the Media Niki.



Not that Frem hasn't already covered it - but you really are fucking dumb. You spout this shit as if its fact carved in stone - when its obvious you've never bothered to look for yourself, and just keep singing the song you're fed.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Not that Frem hasn't already covered it - but you really are fucking dumb. You spout this shit as if its fact carved in stone - when its obvious you've never bothered to look for yourself, and just keep singing the song you're fed.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Twice on this thread now..... hostile, and kind of rude replies :)

What am I fed??????

I DON'T HAVE TV. Not just Cable TV. I don't even have an HD converter for any of my old TVs. I don't even have a car stereo, which I've posted about here before. The only commercials I even see are ones that everyone's talking about at work and one of "the kids" pull it up on YouTube on their cell phone that is a more advanced computer than any of my first 5 desktops I built.

BTW... "Hump Day" was not as funny as you imagined it. When I finally saw it on somebody's phone after hearing about it for weeks, I was rendered completely nonplussed at how this is what everyone was talking about for so long.

This I found to be very funny though. I was making a pot of coffee at work in the breakroom and saw a State Farm commercial (at around 2:30AM) which I should have figured everyone else had already seen. They all agreed it was funny, but I guess I missed the boat on that one too.....

Here it is:




I'm not bothering to dig up any facts about who owns what, Mark, simply because I'm not pretending to know who owns what. I don't give two shits about what you think or what Frem thinks he knows about the people who basically OWN all of us.

I'm simply stating that while GWB was president, people like you and Niki LOVED the Media except for Fox News and the Drudge Report.

Now, Niki is sounding exactly like any die hard Rethuglican on the boards did in here 6-8 years ago.

I don't know who fucking owns the media. I've distanced myself SOOOOO far from the "mainstream" that I don't even know what commercials were played at the Super Bowl, let alone in the last 3 years. All I'm doing is making a very informed opinion about the blatent rule changes about the media that are happening today.

Assuming Frem is right, since I have a ton of respect for him, all that is saying to me is that somebody up-top has done one hell of a job keeping us all at each other's throats.

Really, the only thing wrong with Frem's stance on the topic is that the media is owned by the "Right". That's how it seems today to many, because the pendulum may or may not have swung that way.

All of my opinions are based on my core beliefs here. I haven't been swayed by any news for nearly 5 years. Back when I still payed attention to the news it was all so Pro-Liberal that Fox News and the Drudge Report were the only things that seemed semi-reasonable. Every other news outlet back then seemed like Disney Radio.


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Friday, February 14, 2014 2:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Frem, I have noticed, of late, a decided right-leaning "reporting" taking place in such shows as Meet The Press. It's not about all the news that's fit to print anymore, but rather the flavor of the day, as you pointed out.

David Gregory, can't hold a candle to Tim Russert. Of course, that's just a layman's opinion.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

I am saying you've been spoon fed a false narrative and gobbled it up like a moron, without properly checking the facts first.
Media "Ownership" is from a pure financial perspective, weighted heavily on the Conservative side - whilst media Bias is in general weighted heavily toward whatever flavor of the week is in power at the time.

Here, educate yourself, dumbass.
http://fair.org/

-F


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