Did I watch the same debate as the New York Times? by 1kiki

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Did I watch the same debate as the New York Times?

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UPDATED: Friday, October 16, 2015 02:00
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Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:58 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/politics/hillary-clinton-turns-up
-heat-on-bernie-sanders-in-a-sharp-debate.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Hillary Clinton Turns Up Heat on Bernie Sanders in a Sharp Debate

The article goes on to cite one instance where the audience applauded Hillary as a reason to say that she 'won'. But, the audience applauded Bernie a number of times, a fact that went without the Times' mention. I'm sure someone, somewhere kept score - how many times did the audience break into spontaneous applause for any of the debaters? It just hasn't shown up on the internet yet.

As far as I'm concerned, Hillary came across as shifty and insincere. Bernie as sincere but dogmatic. But I didn't sense any overwhelming support for Hillary as opposed to anyone else.

Meanwhile, the NYTimes - of Judith Miller fame - ever partisan and ever ready to carry water for select officials, once again tries to create a false narrative - Hillary won!!

The overall result of a debate doesn't show up for a week or so - it's not the first or even second impression that counts, it's the impression that lasts over time. So, while we wait to see how things shake out, I'll be interested to see how far the NYTimes is wiling to carry the meme.

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:22 AM

SIGNYM

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Zerohedge, quoting Drudge, CNN, Google, Dan Diamond (Twitter) says

SANDERS BY A LANDSLIDE (or words to that effect)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-13/democratic-debate-post-mortem
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Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:31 PM

REAVERFAN

Yet the media feels obligated to shill for Hillary. Why is that?

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Friday, October 16, 2015 2:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As I mentioned, first impressions and even second impressions don't mean much. But fwiw the immediate informal poll results are that Sanders won.

http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/debate-winner-sanders-clinton/

Media say Clinton; informal polls say Sanders.

The first Democratic debate was last night, and this morning’s headlines touted a Hillary Clinton victory.

CNN, which hosted the debate, wrote that Clinton “proved without a doubt” why she’s currently the Democratic frontrunner; Forbes bestowed letter grades on the candidates, placing the former Secretary of State at the top of her class with an “A-“; The National Journal claims that the she won simply because she is a strong debater and Bernie Sanders is not.

However, multiple polls seem to show that most Americans don’t agree with these media pundits, asserting that Bernie Sanders was the clear winner.

One Google Consumer Surveys poll conducted for IJ Review, a website co-founded by a past advisor to former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, shows Sanders in the lead with 43.7% of the vote, 15 points ahead of Clinton. The third runner-up was “Not Sure” with 17%, and the remaining three candidates received a combined total of just under 11%.

Three additional polls (still active at the time of writing) also show that Sanders was perceived as the debate winner with over half the vote. Time had him winning with 57%, NJ.com with 71.71%, and Fox2Now with 80.72%, almost six times Clinton’s 14.09%.

Fortune also posed the question, sans poll, asking readers to share their thoughts about the debate. The comments overwhelmingly lean in favor of a Sanders victory.

These informal polls should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism, but they do provide an interesting counterpoint to the consensus of the beltway media.

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