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Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:30 PM

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55 Savushkina Street, last known home of the Internet Research Agency. Credit James Hill for The New York Times


The Agency

From a nondescript office building in St.
Petersburg, Russia, an army of well-paid “trolls”
has tried to wreak havoc all around the Internet
— and in real-life American communities.


By ADRIAN CHENJUNE 2, 2015


The Columbian Chemicals hoax was not some simple prank by a bored sadist. It was a highly coordinated disinformation campaign, involving dozens of fake accounts that posted hundreds of tweets for hours, targeting a list of figures precisely chosen to generate maximum attention. The perpetrators didn’t just doctor screenshots from CNN; they also created fully functional clones of the websites of Louisiana TV stations and newspapers. The YouTube video of the man watching TV had been tailor-made for the project. A Wikipedia page was even created for the Columbian Chemicals disaster, which cited the fake YouTube video. As the virtual assault unfolded, it was complemented by text messages to actual residents in St. Mary Parish. It must have taken a team of programmers and content producers to pull off.

Who was behind all of this? When I stumbled on it last fall, I had an idea. I was already investigating a shadowy organization in St. Petersburg, Russia, that spreads false information on the Internet. It has gone by a few names, but I will refer to it by its best known: the Internet Research Agency. The agency had become known for employing hundreds of Russians to post pro-Kremlin propaganda online under fake identities, including on Twitter, in order to create the illusion of a massive army of supporters; it has often been called a “troll farm.” The more I investigated this group, the more links I discovered between it and the hoaxes. In April, I went to St. Petersburg to learn more about the agency and its brand of information warfare, which it has aggressively deployed against political opponents at home, Russia’s perceived enemies abroad and, more recently, me.

Savchuk’s revelations about the agency have fascinated Russia not because they are shocking but because they confirm what everyone has long suspected: The Russian Internet is awash in trolls. “This troll business becomes more popular year by year,” says Platon Mamatov, who says that he ran his own troll farm in the Ural Mountains from 2008 to 2013. During that time he employed from 20 to 40 people, mostly students and young mothers, to carry out online tasks for Kremlin contacts and local and regional authorities from Putin’s United Russia party. Mamatov says there are scores of operations like his around the country, working for government authorities at every level. Because the industry is secretive, with its funds funneled through a maze of innocuous-sounding contracts and shell businesses, it is difficult to estimate exactly how many people are at work trolling today. But Mamatov claims “there are thousands — I’m not sure about how many, but yes, really, thousands.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

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Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:36 PM

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Trolling for Putin:

Saint Petersburg (AFP) - Lyudmila Savchuk says it was money that wooed her into the ranks of the Kremlin's online army, where she bombarded website comment pages with eulogies of President Vladimir Putin, while mocking his adversaries.

"Putin is great," "Ukrainians are Fascists," "Europe is decadent": Savchuk, 34, listed the main messages she was told to put out on Internet forums after responding to a job advertisement online.

"Our job was to write in a pro-government way, to interpret all events in a way that glorifies the government's politics and Putin personally," she said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trolling-putin-russias-information-war-expl
ained-063716887.html?ref=gs

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Wednesday, August 24, 2016 6:00 PM

THGRRI


It is all the inconsistencies surrounding SIG and 1kiki that caught my attention and made me wonder what was going on. Not inconsistencies in their dogged criticism of the United States and its allies. No that has been very consistent. Instead it was the contradictions in their politics. Being socialist you would think they would support the socialist point of view. Unless it concerned Russia, too many times they would support the opposite. why?

Then there is the fact that they have supported Putin and Russia in every discussion here. Even when it was obvious that Russia was in the wrong. It is apparent that their beliefs mirror those from that part of the world. And When you look at some of what the trolls claim was the topic of the day, you can match it to SIG and 1kikis agenda here.
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"Putin is great," "Ukrainians are Fascists," "Europe is decadent": Savchuk, 34, listed the main messages she was told to put out on Internet forums after responding to a job advertisement online. Every morning, she says, she would get assignments for the day, a list of subjects on which to comment and ideas to propagate. "Ukraine has approved a reform plan to secure IMF aid" was the title of one recent assignment that Lyudmila had kept on her cellphone.

"Ukraine has approved a reform plan to secure IMF aid" was the title of one recent assignment that Lyudmila had kept on her cellphone.


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The latest entry into the “provoke a war” campaign is the IMF. The IMF seems intent on pitting Ukraine into a death-match with Russia by threatening their loan status: Fight, or else your loan conditions will be ‘renegotiated’. Since Ukraine’s economy is hanging on ONLY by this thread, the IMF’s statement is an existential threat to the Kiev government.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57955]
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The instructions were for her to respond to the potentially positive Ukrainian news story with negative comments, such as "For the Ukrainian government, military needs are more important than those of the people."

Quote SIG

It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia. This includes providing political cover and cookies and photo-ops with John McCain for Ukraine’s neo-Nazis, personally insulting Putin, breaking negotiated agreements with Russia, endlessly threatening sanctions, and lying in the press (with fake photos, fake flyers, and false reports).

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The online onslaught of identical, often abusive Internet comments discrediting Russia's opponents, and especially the United States, while hailing the Russian government, began even before Russia's standoff with Ukraine.”

The instructions were for her to respond to the potentially positive Ukrainian news story with negative comments, such as "For the Ukrainian government, military needs are more important than those of the people."

The online onslaught of identical, often abusive Internet comments discrediting Russia's opponents, and especially the United States, while hailing the Russian government, began even before Russia's standoff with Ukraine.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trolling-putin-russias-information-war-expl
ained-063716887.html?ref=gs


We are being inundated with Russian propaganda. So let’s address Russia. What it represents and what it is doing in and too the world.



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Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:00 PM

THGRRI



MIKER

Once I found Serenity
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SIGNYM:

It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia. This includes providing political cover and cookies and photo-ops with John McCain for Ukraine’s neo-Nazis, personally insulting Putin, breaking negotiated agreements with Russia, endlessly threatening sanctions, and lying in the press (with fake photos, fake flyers, and false reports).

The latest entry into the “provoke a war” campaign is the IMF. The IMF seems intent on pitting Ukraine into a death-match with Russia by threatening their loan status: Fight, or else your loan conditions will be ‘renegotiated’. Since Ukraine’s economy is hanging on ONLY by this thread, the IMF’s statement is an existential threat to the Kiev government.

At this juncture, there’s no point in trying to figure who is behind all this. With the entry of the IMF (and for all I know, the remainder of the troika: the European Commission and the European Central Bank ECB) into the fray, this is clearly a well-coordinated plan, with the USA and the EU and the IMF alternately taking turns to push the project forward, creating no discernable division of interest between them.

Until recently, the Kiev government has been reluctant to mobilize its army because the army itself is probably divided; there have been reports of “security forces” defecting to the east. Instead, the Kiev government has been trying to create citizen militias… pro-Nazi groups and other irregular forces to take the place of the army.

Since the IMF has threatened to renegotiate the loan status, Turchinov, the unelected President of Kiev… oops, I mean Ukraine… has reinstated the draft. I can't imagine what liberal pro-western Ukrainians are thinking now... "Doubled gas prices? Halved pensions? And now the draft???"

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Ukraine unrest: Kiev 'helpless' to quell parts of east
Ukraine's acting President Olexander Turchynov has admitted his forces are "helpless" to quell unrest driven by pro-Russian activists in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Mr Turchynov said the goal was now to prevent the unrest spreading.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27222023

Ukraine crisis: Russian flags fill May Day rally
Thousands of protesters carrying Russian flags filled the street of Donetsk on Friday, as part of a May Day rally.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27241740

IM F : $17 bn loan would need overhaul if Ukraine loses east
The IMF says its just-announced $17 billion rescue program for Ukraine would have to be overhauled if the country loses control of the economically important eastern region to pro-Russian separatists.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/imf-17-bn-loan-overhaul-164648824.ht
ml

Ukraine crisis: Kiev reinstates conscription
Ukraine's acting President Olexander Turchynov has reinstated military conscription to deal with deteriorating security in the east of the country. The move, announced in a decree, came as pro-Russia militants seized the regional prosecutor's office in the eastern city of Donetsk.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27247428]

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Miker


There you go again. Letting the people responsible for these problems off the hook because all you want to do is blame those who are trying to help.

You never did answer where it is you come from. You have however proved your ignorance on all subjects under the sun and your inability to stop yourself from proving it.

Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

It is as plain as what you say is wrong, everything about what you speak is based on your hate.

I followed the first link and saw nothing of what you speak. It is the Ukraine along with everyone else blaming Russia.

I am done with trying to cut you slack. To continue discussing this or anything else with you would only mean there is something wrong with me.
You are a disappointment.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57955

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Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:08 PM

THGRRI


Saturday, May 3, 2014 11:25 AM


MIKER

Once I found Serenity





Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia. This includes providing political cover and cookies and photo-ops with John McCain for Ukraine’s neo-Nazis, personally insulting Putin, breaking negotiated agreements with Russia, endlessly threatening sanctions, and lying in the press (with fake photos, fake flyers, and false reports).

The latest entry into the “provoke a war” campaign is the IMF. The IMF seems intent on pitting Ukraine into a death-match with Russia by threatening their loan status: Fight, or else your loan conditions will be ‘renegotiated’. Since Ukraine’s economy is hanging on ONLY by this thread, the IMF’s statement is an existential threat to the Kiev government.

At this juncture, there’s no point in trying to figure who is behind all this. With the entry of the IMF (and for all I know, the remainder of the troika: the European Commission and the European Central Bank ECB) into the fray, this is clearly a well-coordinated plan, with the USA and the EU and the IMF alternately taking turns to push the project forward, creating no discernable division of interest between them.

Until recently, the Kiev government has been reluctant to mobilize its army because the army itself is probably divided; there have been reports of “security forces” defecting to the east. Instead, the Kiev government has been trying to create citizen militias… pro-Nazi groups and other irregular forces to take the place of the army.

Since the IMF has threatened to renegotiate the loan status, Turchinov, the unelected President of Kiev… oops, I mean Ukraine… has reinstated the draft. I can't imagine what liberal pro-western Ukrainians are thinking now... "Doubled gas prices? Halved pensions? And now the draft???"

----------------------------

Ukraine unrest: Kiev 'helpless' to quell parts of east
Ukraine's acting President Olexander Turchynov has admitted his forces are "helpless" to quell unrest driven by pro-Russian activists in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Mr Turchynov said the goal was now to prevent the unrest spreading.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27222023

Ukraine crisis: Russian flags fill May Day rally
Thousands of protesters carrying Russian flags filled the street of Donetsk on Friday, as part of a May Day rally.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27241740

IM F : $17 bn loan would need overhaul if Ukraine loses east
The IMF says its just-announced $17 billion rescue program for Ukraine would have to be overhauled if the country loses control of the economically important eastern region to pro-Russian separatists.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/imf-17-bn-loan-overhaul-164648824.ht
ml

Ukraine crisis: Kiev reinstates conscription
Ukraine's acting President Olexander Turchynov has reinstated military conscription to deal with deteriorating security in the east of the country. The move, announced in a decree, came as pro-Russia militants seized the regional prosecutor's office in the eastern city of Donetsk.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27247428]



Posted by Miker in response:

Here is a quote from the first link you provided as proof of your delusion that the US and EU are instigating things in the Ukraine.

"The acting president of Ukraine said that the tens of thousands of Russian troops stationed just over the border meant that "the threat of Russia starting a war against mainland Ukraine is real". Russia, which annexed the Crimea region from Ukraine last month, has said it has no plans to invade the east". Annexed means invaded and stole in this case. Did the US and EU goad Russia into that. I am sure you can cut and paste far out opinions about that but it would still be bull.

The BBC article says nothing about The US or EU being responsible for this crises, only how they have offered support to Ukraine and put sanctions in place to deter Putin. Which makes me wonder why you offer this first link up as verifying what you clam. You know the title to this thread, which is what you are purporting to be writing about. IMF TO KIEV- FIGHT FOR EASTERN UKRAINE OR DIE. Did you think no one would follow the links and read the articles.

This is where I wound up following your second link: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0
Here is a quote from there.

"The German-led team was detained on April 25 while carrying out a mission for the 57-nation Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, to which Russia, Ukraine and the United States belong". This is an organization put in place to monitor human rights and has existed long before this started in the Ukraine.

Wow, sounds like a real bunch of trouble makers to me, huh! Again this link not only does not support your claims but it suggests like the first link you are wrong and that Russia is pulling all the strings. Can't wait to see what goodies link 3 has in store.

Here is a quote from link three." The International Monetary Fund's official report on the emergency loan, released Thursday, concedes that there are deep risks to its successful implementation, including the quickly eroding economy, corruption, and the current and future government's ability to implement much-needed reforms".

Let's see. The EU the US and the IMF are not to be concerned about loaning the Ukraine 17 billion dollars while it is under assault from Russia? That they may be putting that money into the hands of pro Russian leaders, and funneled out of the country if they gain the upper hand. We are talking 17 billion dollars and they are trying to safe guard it from the wrong people getting hold of it. Makes perfect sense to me. The point is that the world is trying to help and not screw themselves at the same time. It is common sense, and once again the article says nothing to support your claims that the US or EU is behind Ukraine's troubles, but instead it suggests we are trying to help.

Ok I am not even going to follow the last link because I can read what the link says. Here is what it says to me. News flash, Ukraine stands up for it's rights to be a sovereign nation and begins to fight back.

I decided to speak to this after reading how sassy you became after I decided to stop arguing with a Idealist. This opinion you have posted that you claim to back up with facts, is not. You have posted links to articles that don't support your claims that the US and EU are behind the escalating violence. Yes there is all kinds of problems with the Ukrainian military because of it's history. However, none of what is being reported by reputable sources points to the US or the EU as you claim, to being behind the aggressions taking place. What the links provide is just more prof of the bios towards the west that exists in your mind. Here are two quotes from what you wrote to show how screwed up you are. "It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia". First line you write." At this juncture, there’s no point in trying to figure who is behind all this". First line third paragraph. Man you are all over the map trying to find ways to make the victims out to be the bad guys. By the way, it is funny how you call the Ukrainians fighting for their freedom from corruption and Russia Neo Nazis, which is exactly what Putin calls them. Excuse me I must go now and cut and paste my fantasy garden.

Dos ve donya comrade: you keep on believing.

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In a recent post of yours you seemed to recall that Miker tended to agree with you.

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Friday, August 26, 2016 1:53 PM

THGRRI


The link is to the NBC report SIG references about British and American trolls working for our perspective governments. It’s a bit less hypothetically descriptive about what they are doing (lol) than the source she references. Personally I want my government looking into what is posted on the internet. Including all its sources for distributing information. I.E. YouTube, Twitter and so on. I want them to spy on and harass those who utilize these sites to push agendas of hate, lies and disinformation; including DASH.

I saw nothing in the article that comes close to suggesting that Britain and the United States has the same agenda as the Russians. An agenda so corrupt that they kill journalists and close down independent news outlets creating a system of State run news outlets only.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/27/22469304-snowden-do
cs-reveal-british-spies-snooped-on-youtube-and-facebook?lite

Hilary’s speech yesterday about the dangers Trump poses to this country. It gives insights into why SIG and 1KIKI attack her relentlessly and who they are as people. I for one don’t like the ideologies of these two. They are in league with the racists, bigots, and isolationists whose philosophies represent our darkest past and continue to damage our country.

To quote Clinton;

“A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.”




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Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The link is to the NBC report SIG references about British and American trolls working for our perspective governments. =THUGR
Here it is: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60770

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Personally I want my government looking into what is posted on the internet.
That's because you're a troll.

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Including all its sources for distributing information. I.E. YouTube, Twitter and so on.
That's because you're a troll who hates freedom of speech.

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I want them to spy on and harass those who utilize these sites to push agendas of hate, lies and disinformation
That's because you're a troll who wants the government to be one, too.

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I saw nothing in the article that comes close to suggesting that Britain and the United States has the same agenda as the Russians.
That's because you're a troll who lacks insight. (You posted this RIGHT AFTER urging our government to do the same as Russia. That is/you are monumentally brain-dead, like most trolls.)

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An agenda so corrupt that they kill journalists and close down independent news outlets creating a system of State run news outlets only.
And you want the USA and the UK to be the same. Because you're a troll.

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Hilary’s [sic] speech yesterday about the dangers Trump poses to this country.
The people who pose the greatest to the USA are Hillary's mindless backers: Trolls like you.

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It gives insights into why SIG and 1KIKI attack THUGR thumps her relentlessly and who they are as people he is as a person.
A troll

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I for one don’t like the ideologies of these two. They are in league with the racists, bigots
Yanno, aside from being a troll, you're the biggest bigot on the board.
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and isolationists whose philosophies represent our darkest past
Oh, you mean the one where George Washington (You DO recognize that name, right?) cautioned the young America to avoid foreign entanglements? THAT "dark past"?

You're such a boob. And a troll.

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To quote Clinton;

“A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.”
Does that also apply to the woman who never met a war she couldn't resist? Who traffics with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other heinous tyrannies? The curious thing is that with every criticism "Hilary" makes, she tars herself with the same brush. That's because HILLARY is a troll.

And, you're a troll. One who apparently has no respect for either our Constitution or our ideals.



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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I just have to add... THUGR, the reason why you so quickly and unthinkingly betrayed our nation's ideals and the Constitution on which we are founded is because you don't know what you stand for. You haven't given it a moment's thought.

You're as conditioned as one of Pavlov's dogs, who were trained to salivate whenever a bell rang altho no food was in sight: The minute our political leadership wants you to stand up and cheer for "our team" you grab your pompoms. The moment our political authorities paint someone as an "enemy" you want to go to war. It doesn't matter whether the reasons are good reasons, or bad ones, or even completely made-up ones (which is the case most of the time) you unthinkingly jump.

But somehow, despite the fact that you have been fooled time and time again into supporting wars which should have never even been fought, that doesn't seems to prevent you from jumping onto the NEXT bandwagon and supporting our next act of aggression.

Yanno, I love my country, I really do. I love the ideals that it was founded on, and I would love to see us be a real force for good in the world, or at least not a force for harm. Instead, what I see is us rampaging through the world, killing hundreds of thousands (if not millions), drunkenly creating failed states wherever we "intervene", letting loose the scourge of jihadism and cravenly supporting the Saudis and other repressive regimes because our almighty dollar is threatened.

Name one of our foreign intervention success stories in the past 30 years, I dare you.

It sickens me and make me angry to see our leaders, so corrupt, cynically destroying so many and so much.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 3:38 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I just have to add... THUGR, the reason why you so quickly and unthinkingly betrayed our nation's ideals and the Constitution on which we are founded is because you don't know what you stand for. You haven't given it a moment's thought.


Because of your unwavering defense of Russia and Putin I believe everything you post is for the purpose of discrediting the United States and our Allies. That includes suggesting Americans are failures in all we try to accomplish. You defend Putin while suggesting Hilary has 666 tattooed on her head. There is far too much anti American propaganda posted by you encompassed within these threads for you to call me unpatriotic and anti American. No one buying it SIG.

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SIG
You're as conditioned as one of Pavlov's dogs, who were trained to salivate whenever a bell rang altho no food was in sight: The minute our political leadership wants you to stand up and cheer for "our team" you grab your pompoms. The moment our political authorities paint someone as an "enemy" you want to go to war. It doesn't matter whether the reasons are good reasons, or bad ones, or even completely made-up ones (which is the case most of the time) you unthinkingly jump.


Pavlov’s dog, you have described yourself with uncanny accuracy. The rest is subjective assumptions and bullshit. Just like 98% of what you post in real world.

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SIG
But somehow, despite the fact that you have been fooled time and time again into supporting wars which should have never even been fought, that doesn't seems to prevent you from jumping onto the NEXT bandwagon and supporting our next act of aggression.


This is completely made up. I have not supported any wars here. What I have done, is challenge your honesty of posting about one countries aggressions against others. I have also posted about some of the reasoning behind some of Americas actions. I did and do this to see truth posted in response to your lies.

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SIG
Yanno, I love my country, I really do. I love the ideals that it was founded on, and I would love to see us be a real force for good in the world, or at least not a force for harm. Instead, what I see is us rampaging through the world, killing hundreds of thousands (if not millions), drunkenly creating failed states wherever we "intervene", letting loose the scourge of jihadism and cravenly supporting the Saudis and other repressive regimes because our almighty dollar is threatened.
Name one of our foreign intervention success stories in the past 30 years, I dare you.
It sickens me and make me angry to see our leaders, so corrupt, cynically destroying so many and so much.


I know you love your country; Russia. The rest is bullshit SIG. Whenever it is pointed out what Russia does you defend them while pushing their agenda. It’s that simple comrade.

Here you go SIG, look familiar. It's a picture of a Russian politician.






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Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.






For once, I agree with you.

But you seem to want war, and have a problem with peace. Well, no one ever said you're smart. Or even average.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I have not supported any wars here.
And yet, you have a problem with a politician .. Russian, American, or anyone ... who wants peace. What's going on here, where the American wants war?




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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just to make this pellucidly clear

By his own post, THUGR certainly brings up the question WHO is the aggressor? Russia or America?"

Again, by his own post it looks like THUGR is the aggressor and Russia is the peace-loving nation.

Just as an aside, the reason why I name THGRRI "THUGR" is because.... aside from the fact that his chosen nom de plume is such an unmemorable jumble of letters it looks like he fell asleep on the keyboard ... "THUGR" acts like a thug. All he knows how to do is attack, attack, attack, in the dumbest way possible.

Thought, and rational discussion, seem to be out of his repertoire.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I have not supported any wars here.

And yet, you posted a picture of someone who wants peace as a criticism of us. You're trying to make the point that wanting peace is so heinous, only pro-Russian trolls could possibly want peace.

And you don't want peace. So you want war. That's your argument.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 29, 2016 4:16 AM

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THUGR, I desperately hoped you learned something from this encounter.

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to humiliate you online or drive you from Fireflyfans. This site is a great resource. Just chalk up my aggressive reaction to frustration and exasperation. Assume it's my fault, not yours.

What you are reacting to, IMHO, is FEAR.

Fear of Russia, I think.

But, what is the source of your fear?

I've tried to get you to express WHAT you're afraid of ... where you feel threatened, or where you feel we are threatened by Russia http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755

Unlike the fear that some of our posters felt after 9-11 ... which was a truly traumatic event unanticipated by many and which left some of our family with PTSD ... I believe that fear of Russia is (almost) entirely synthetic. Because when people who are vehemently aggressive about Russia but can't even express WHY they're afraid, then all I can imagine is that the fear is conditioned.

So I invite you to imagine the worst. Give form to your fears, and write them down. In detail. Every day.

When you feel that you have honed your fears to their essence, let us know.

Or not. Clearly, it's up to you what you express on the board.





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Quote:
SIG

Just to make this pellucidly clear

By his own post, THUGR certainly brings up the question WHO is the aggressor? Russia or America?"
Again, by his own post it looks like THUGR is the aggressor and Russia is the peace-loving nation.


Yeah no. I was merely pointing out that the Russian politician’s preference was Trump. And, that you are pushing the same agenda as hers in the same way. You have unleashed a frenzy of anti-Hilary posts touting the same reason. That Hilary will start a war with Russia. It is just one more post pointing to your Russian sympathies.

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Just as an aside, the reason why I name THGRRI "THUGR" is because.... aside from the fact that his chosen nom de plume is such an unmemorable jumble of letters it looks like he fell asleep on the keyboard ... "THUGR" acts like a thug. All he knows how to do is attack, attack, attack, in the dumbest way possible.

Thought, and rational discussion, seem to be out of his repertoire.


Yeah no. What I do is provide real time reasoning behind what you and 1kiki are doing in these threads and why. You are not going to change my response’s to suit your agenda comrade. Too me it’s not what you are saying but why. That is the subject that most needs discussing.



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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I have not supported any wars here.
And yet, you posted a picture of someone who wants peace as a criticism of us. You're trying to make the point that wanting peace is so heinous, only pro-Russian trolls could possibly want peace.

And you don't want peace. So you want war. That's your argument.



It doesn't surprise me that you are distracted by the pretty picture so the message is lost to you. Ask someone to explain it to you.

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Monday, August 29, 2016 12:00 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I desperately hoped you learned something from this encounter.

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to humiliate you online or drive you from Fireflyfans. This site is a great resource. Just chalk up my aggressive reaction to frustration and exasperation. Assume it's my fault, not yours.

What you are reacting to, IMHO, is FEAR.

Fear of Russia, I think.

But, what is the source of your fear?

I've tried to get you to express WHAT you're afraid of ... where you feel threatened, or where you feel we are threatened by Russia http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755

Unlike the fear that some of our posters felt after 9-11 ... which was a truly traumatic event unanticipated by many and which left some of our family with PTSD ... I believe that fear of Russia is (almost) entirely synthetic. Because when people who are vehemently aggressive about Russia but can't even express WHY they're afraid, then all I can imagine is that the fear is conditioned.

So I invite you to imagine the worst. Give form to your fears, and write them down. In detail. Every day.

When you feel that you have honed your fears to their essence, let us know.

Or not. Clearly, it's up to you what you express on the board.



And of course to you anyone saying anything negative about Russia does so void of logic and facts. To you it is said out of fear. Nice try comrade. Again a deflection cast by you in support of Russia.

Every time comrade you respond to my posts you dig a bigger and bigger hole for yourself. A hole full of supporting evidence that you are a Russian troll and sympathizer.

Of that you are doing a tremendous job. Keep up the good work.

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Great article G. And Putin has taken several lesson's out of Hitler's play book. Their affinity for propaganda and Hitler's reason for invading Poland. The reason Hitler gave was that the Poles were persecuting those Germans who lived in Poland.

Putin has taken this approach as a way to invade Georgia and the Ukraine.


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Monday, August 29, 2016 4:39 PM

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War and terrorism have become increasingly routine facts of life in America. Since 2001, this reality has become an essential tool for stimulating popular support for American Presidents. The mechanics of how this support is cultivated and mobilized are now fundamental to Washington's day-to-day agenda. At the same time, Washington's new (and sometimes novel) approach to warfare, which runs through the conflicts in Georgia, Crimea, the Donbas region of southeastern Ukraine, Syria, and now Turkey, have become central to the future development of American domestic and foreign policy....
Fixed it for you.

Everything that has been written about Russia's so-called evils is magnified 10X by the USA.

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Monday, August 29, 2016 5:04 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
War and terrorism have become increasingly routine facts of life in America. Since 2001, this reality has become an essential tool for stimulating popular support for American Presidents. The mechanics of how this support is cultivated and mobilized are now fundamental to Washington's day-to-day agenda. At the same time, Washington's new (and sometimes novel) approach to warfare, which runs through the conflicts in Georgia, Crimea, the Donbas region of southeastern Ukraine, Syria, and now Turkey, have become central to the future development of American domestic and foreign policy....
Fixed it for you.

Everything that has been written about Russia's so-called evils is magnified 10X by the USA.



Again, bashing America while defending Russia. You're too dimwitted to understand that I am not posting to bash Russia. I keep telling you I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol, and you just can't help yourself.

I see you once again provide evidence of your deceptive posting. I recognize in what you quote, cut and pasted information from SECOND (from another thread )and others to craft a false perception of the facts. It was posted in fact, Russia is the one who relies on war to garner support for its leaders. It's very sad SIG. You need to find a new line of work. This one surely doesn't suite you.


Russia Feature: Social Media and the Weapon of Disinformation

With a vigorous national debate underway on whether Sweden should enter a military partnership with NATO, officials in Stockholm suddenly encountered an unsettling problem: a flood of distorted and outright false information on social media, confusing public perceptions of the issue.

The claims were alarming: If Sweden, a non-NATO member, signed the deal, the alliance would stockpile secret nuclear weapons on Swedish soil; NATO could attack Russia from Sweden without government approval; NATO soldiers, immune from prosecution, could rape Swedish women without fear of criminal charges.

They were all false, but the disinformation had begun spilling into the traditional news media, and as the defense minister, Peter Hultqvist, traveled the country to promote the pact in speeches and town hall meetings, he was repeatedly grilled about the bogus stories.

http://eaworldview.com/2016/08/russia-feature-social-media-and-the-wea
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Monday, August 29, 2016 7:17 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Again, bashing America while defending Russia. You're too dimwitted to understand that I am not posting to bash Russia. I keep telling you I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol, and you just can't help yourself.
In other words, you really don't care to discuss any REAL WORLD EVENTS, you're simply trying to get a rise out of me?

In other words, you are a troll. You just said so.



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Monday, August 29, 2016 7:44 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Again, bashing America while defending Russia. You're too dimwitted to understand that I am not posting to bash Russia. I keep telling you I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol, and you just can't help yourself.
In other words, you really don't care to discuss any REAL WORLD EVENTS, you're simply trying to get a rise out of me?

In other words, you are a troll. You just said so.



No, I said you are the troll and that is why you chose and post the subject matter you do. And that much of what you cut and paste has subtle changes. Changes designed to shape researched material to your desired point of view. Or, you claim it supports your view when it does nothing of the kind. You hope nobody follows the link and reads the material. This means nothing you post can be trusted as factual. And as always when caught, without remorse or any show of shame you move on to your next lie.

I keep my honest discussions reserved for honest posters. Not trolls; with me trolls get exposed for what they are.

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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM

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Russia Says Its Airstrike Killed ISIS' Abu Mohammed Al-Adnani

U.S. defense official dismissed that assertion. "We have no reason to believe Russia's claim," the official told NBC News. Earlier, a U.S. defense official told Reuters, "Russia's claim is a joke."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/russia-says-its-airstrike
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Thursday, September 1, 2016 11:38 AM

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Why there's "nothing to suggest" Russia killed ISIS leader

Townsend blasted Russia for spending “their time, ammunition and military might going after civilians and supporting the Assad regime.” Among the United States’ many disagreements? with Russia, Townsend said the different goals in Syria was most significant, especially “in terms of our own domestic security.”

“They’re unwilling to coordinate or cooperate with us,” Townsend said. “The U.S. has made clear that we do not support the Assad regime, and Russia has.”

Meanwhile, American officials are trying to confirm that al-Adnani was killed in a precision air strike carried out by coalition forces, which Townsend said suggests that U.S. intelligence in fighting the terror group is “good and it’s getting better.”

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Saturday, September 3, 2016 9:55 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Wait - I just posted a very lengthy article about Russia's use of war as a political tool and all you had to say was, "US is worse." I suspect you don't understand the word "discuss." Did nothing in that article ring true to you?


As I posted about a month ago, my schedule has gotten pretty busy, and I won't be here from time to time. It was a long article, I didn't have time to read it. I STILL haven't had time to read it. But my initial reaction is that your priorities are screwed up. When Russia has 700 military bases around the world and has destroyed four nations and destabilized three more, then would be the right time to complain. But as far as I can tell, you just have a bee in your bonnet.

When I have time I'll respond specifically to the article.

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Saturday, September 3, 2016 10:02 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
No, I said you are the troll and that is why you chose and post the subject matter you do.
THUGR, here is some long-overdue education about who is a troll:

Quote:
At times, the word [troll] can be abused to refer to anyone with controversial opinions they disagree with. Such usages goes against the ordinary meaning of troll in multiple ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Just because you really don't "like" or agree with what I post doesn't make me a "troll". It just makes me someone with opinions that you don't like.

On the other hand, posting to simply aggravate people is being a troll, in all definitions of the word.
Quote:
...the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.
That's what you just admitted to, no?

Quote:
I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol-THUGR


So, don't be a troll.



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Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:49 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Apparently the public humiliation of being put into Troll Country wasn't enough to make THUGGR wake up, smell the coffee, and look in the mirror (to seriously mix metaphors).

People can learn to ENJOY causing pain (or at least thinking that they are) to others who are on an opposing 'team'. In other words, they can learn to enjoy being sadists. Well, that's THUGGR. Troll. Sadist.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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What to expect from fake news.



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Russia's parliament voted 380-3 on Friday to decriminalize domestic violence in cases where it does not cause "substantial bodily harm" and does not occur more than once a year.

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Friday, February 3, 2017 12:50 AM

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I just can't anymore. I can't put up with the stupid ass republicraps fucking it all to hell, the trolls, the lunacy. There is nothing to be learned from RWED or comment sections in general.

G, Jo, Thgrri, yer all decent folk. Get out while you can.

I'm going to do my damndest to stay out of RWED. I didn't even post about Trump putting evangelicals in charge of educational issues, and that makes me want to hunt people down myself.

I hope Repubs get the war they want and they send all their kids to go off to get murdered. It seems to be what they live for anyway...

Yep, I've hit THAT point...

Have a good war so you can brag about it on your tombstone.

"Here's lies a moron tool of a shitstained government, may he rest in pieces."




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Friday, February 3, 2017 1:53 AM

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Good for you Wish.

I remember about 4 years back almost pleading with you to stay out of the RWED because it would basically do what it has done to you. Better late than never I suppose.

Happy Trails.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 3, 2017 10:35 AM

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Well, the board will be poorer without your unique voice, WISH. Fare well, and come back if/when you can.



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Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I just can't anymore. I can't put up with the stupid ass republicraps fucking it all to hell, the trolls, the lunacy. There is nothing to be learned from RWED or comment sections in general.

G, Jo, Thgrri, yer all decent folk. Get out while you can.

I'm going to do my damndest to stay out of RWED. I didn't even post about Trump putting evangelicals in charge of educational issues, and that makes me want to hunt people down myself.

I hope Repubs get the war they want and they send all their kids to go off to get murdered. It seems to be what they live for anyway...

Yep, I've hit THAT point...

Have a good war so you can brag about it on your tombstone.

"Here's lies a moron tool of a shitstained government, may he rest in pieces."







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Friday, February 3, 2017 12:55 PM

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Any comments on the video?

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The Czech government thinks Russian propaganda is 'the biggest threat Europe has been facing since the 1930s'

The Czech government is accusing Russia of waging an information war — and has set up a specialists' unit to counter the threat.

"It is the biggest threat Europe has been facing since the 1930s," Tomáš Prouza, the Czech government’s state secretary for European affairs, told CNN

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-propaganda-biggest-threat-europ
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Putin Critic, Who Said He Was Poisoned in 2015, Falls Into Coma

MOSCOW — A leader of the Russian opposition who has been a vocal critic of what he calls a Kremlin policy of assassinating political enemies has fallen into a life-threatening coma caused by an unknown poison, his wife said on Monday.

The diagnosis of what ailed Vladimir Kara-Murza came at a delicate political moment for the United States and Russia, as President Trump had just brushed aside criticism of Russian President Vladimir V. Putin as a “killer.”

Ms. Kara-Murza said samples of her husband’s blood, hair and fingernails had been sent to laboratories in France and Israel in an effort to identify the mystery toxin.

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Speaking of trolls

Julian Assange could be 'cordially' asked to leave the Ecuadorian embassy in London


Sofia Lotto Persio
International Business TimesFebruary 9, 2017

Julian Assange's residency at the Ecuadorian embassy in London would be coming to an end should Ecuadorian presidential hopeful Guillermo Lasso win the election next week.

Lasso made the remarks in an interview to the Guardian on 9 February. "The Ecuadorian people have been paying a cost that we should not have to bear," he said during an interview in Quito. "We will cordially ask Señor Assange to leave within 30 days of assuming a mandate."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/julian-assange-could-cordially-asked-162136
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
No, I said you are the troll and that is why you chose and post the subject matter you do.
THUGR, here is some long-overdue education about who is a troll:

Quote:
At times, the word [troll] can be abused to refer to anyone with controversial opinions they disagree with. Such usages goes against the ordinary meaning of troll in multiple ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Just because you really don't "like" or agree with what I post doesn't make me a "troll". It just makes me someone with opinions that you don't like.

On the other hand, posting to simply aggravate people is being a troll, in all definitions of the word.
Quote:
...the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.
That's what you just admitted to, no?

Quote:
I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol-THUGR


So, don't be a troll.



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Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:37 AM

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Outrage! Donald Trump conducts sensitive national security business in public — for his paying guests


To the many outrageous acts committed by President Trump these last three weeks — insert your own list here — you can now add mishandling sensitive White House documents.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/watch-president-trump-work-jo
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Apparently the public humiliation of being put into Troll Country wasn't enough to make THUGGR wake up, smell the coffee, and look in the mirror (to seriously mix metaphors).

People can learn to ENJOY causing pain (or at least thinking that they are) to others who are on an opposing 'team'. In other words, they can learn to enjoy being sadists. Well, that's THUGGR. Troll. Sadist.



Too funny. Here’s the thing. I have been posting consistently about you 1kiki and Sig trolling on behalf of Russia. Your constant defense of Russia shows that to be true.

I have been pointing out the negative roll Russia has been playing globally. The trolling, the attack on democratic institutions and NATO.

I have been posting about Trumps ties to Russia. First about his campaign advisor Paul Manafort, and then Michael Flynn. Trump himself is now being investigated more intensely than ever.

I have been posting about the problems with Trumps understanding of how our democracy works. This was due to his dictatorial tendencies. I have been posting about his attacks against our democratic institutions. Our intelligence agencies, media, judicial system, the rule of law and even capitalism. How he is trying to undermine them all.

Check out what’s being reported today. It vindicates me and points the finger directly at you and SIG as being the purveyor of fake and dishonest news. My posts have been right on the money. The proof of it unfolds in the media daily.

If Trump was aware of Flynns actions and was involved, think impeachment.




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Originally posted by G:
I'm sorry, but I really did not like a number of MSM outlets (CNN) saying essentially, "IF those are classified documents that would be terrible breach of security!" Duh! Of course! But don't say that unless you know! It hurts their credibility and right now we need an EXTREMELY CREDIBLE press. That's one of the few positive things I thought President Trump might contribute: pissing the press off so much it inspires them to be great again.


I agree G. I do believe this is the case though. I think time will bear it out but you are correct. Especially now, it is important to get the news right. Let's see if Trump is truthful when asked.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:23 PM

THG


Trolls for hire: Russia's disinformation firms offer propaganda with a professional
touch

The same kinds of digital dirty tricks used to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and beyond are now up for sale on underground Russian forums for as little as a few thousand dollars, according to a new report from an internet security company.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/trolls-for-hire-russias-disi
nformation-firms-offer-propaganda-with-a-professional-touch/ar-AAI7ilO?ocid=spartandhp

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 12:33 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, the board will be poorer without your unique voice, WISH. Fare well, and come back if/when you can.



In the immortal (misquoted) words of Deforest Kelly

I bet she wishes I'd stood in bed




Oh, Bones, where for art thou with thine Tricorder?? For thou couldst divine what fools these Rethugs be and fix them, permanently...


Please to note how he scratches his nose tip at the end... some people have erectile tissue in the end of their noses that tingles when they get mad or horny. It's the same kind of tissue found in genitals, btw. Not everyone has it, though.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What? Are you bragging about how miserable you are?

People used to try being nice to you, despite how horrible a person you are.

Every time you come back you get worse.



BTW... shouldn't the RWED be shut down by now? I thought that once you left last time the site couldn't go on without you.

But here we are.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 11:01 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Every time you come back you get worse.





Couldn't possibly be a worse person than you, hypocrite

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Thursday, October 3, 2019 7:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It probably would seem that way to a robot who isn't self aware.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:47 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:


55 Savushkina Street, last known home of the Internet Research Agency. Credit James Hill for The New York Times


The Agency

From a nondescript office building in St.
Petersburg, Russia, an army of well-paid “trolls”
has tried to wreak havoc all around the Internet
— and in real-life American communities.


By ADRIAN CHENJUNE 2, 2015


The Columbian Chemicals hoax was not some simple prank by a bored sadist. It was a highly coordinated disinformation campaign, involving dozens of fake accounts that posted hundreds of tweets for hours, targeting a list of figures precisely chosen to generate maximum attention. The perpetrators didn’t just doctor screenshots from CNN; they also created fully functional clones of the websites of Louisiana TV stations and newspapers. The YouTube video of the man watching TV had been tailor-made for the project. A Wikipedia page was even created for the Columbian Chemicals disaster, which cited the fake YouTube video. As the virtual assault unfolded, it was complemented by text messages to actual residents in St. Mary Parish. It must have taken a team of programmers and content producers to pull off.

Who was behind all of this? When I stumbled on it last fall, I had an idea. I was already investigating a shadowy organization in St. Petersburg, Russia, that spreads false information on the Internet. It has gone by a few names, but I will refer to it by its best known: the Internet Research Agency. The agency had become known for employing hundreds of Russians to post pro-Kremlin propaganda online under fake identities, including on Twitter, in order to create the illusion of a massive army of supporters; it has often been called a “troll farm.” The more I investigated this group, the more links I discovered between it and the hoaxes. In April, I went to St. Petersburg to learn more about the agency and its brand of information warfare, which it has aggressively deployed against political opponents at home, Russia’s perceived enemies abroad and, more recently, me.

Savchuk’s revelations about the agency have fascinated Russia not because they are shocking but because they confirm what everyone has long suspected: The Russian Internet is awash in trolls. “This troll business becomes more popular year by year,” says Platon Mamatov, who says that he ran his own troll farm in the Ural Mountains from 2008 to 2013. During that time he employed from 20 to 40 people, mostly students and young mothers, to carry out online tasks for Kremlin contacts and local and regional authorities from Putin’s United Russia party. Mamatov says there are scores of operations like his around the country, working for government authorities at every level. Because the industry is secretive, with its funds funneled through a maze of innocuous-sounding contracts and shell businesses, it is difficult to estimate exactly how many people are at work trolling today. But Mamatov claims “there are thousands — I’m not sure about how many, but yes, really, thousands.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html


Deadly shooting at Russian intelligence agency in Moscow, reports say

At least one person has reportedly been shot dead after an unidentified gunman opened fire on the office of the Federal Security Service, the FSB, Russia’s main intelligence agency, in the heart of Moscow.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/deadly-shooting-at-russian-intell
igence-agency-in-moscow-reports-say/ar-BBYagt0?ocid=spartandhp

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Saturday, December 21, 2019 8:57 AM

THG


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.


Trump May Have Relied On Putin About Debunked Conspiracy


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Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:30 AM

THG


T

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Why Are Republicans So Afraid Of Lev Parnas?


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Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Never heard of him. Don't give a shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:22 AM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Never heard of him. Don't give a shit.



He's been posted about a dozen times in these threads yet you don't know who he is. That's very telling.

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