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The wiretap tweet may be true (BBC)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 5:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'm posting the Breitbart version in full because it is supposedly THE source of Trump's tweet, however, what was published here was also sourced elsewhere, including in the BBC.

Here is the BBC on the surveillance
Quote:

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Full coverage: Trump takes office

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


So, is Trump nuts???

No, I don't think so. I think this is full-scale war between the CIA/ deep state and the Trump Administration. Last time this happened, that President wound up dead. I know our gentle friends from outside the USA can't imagine that this could possibly be going on, but yanno... when a world empire is at stake oligarchs will order some crazy shit be done.

The BREITBART VERSION
Quote:

Radio host Mark Levin used his Thursday evening show to outline the known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.

Levin called Obama’s effort “police state” tactics, and suggested that Obama’s actions, rather than conspiracy theories about alleged Russian interference in the presidential election to help Trump, should be the target of congressional investigation.

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

Levin called the effort a “silent coup” by the Obama administration and demanded that it be investigated.

In addition, Levin castigated Republicans in Congress for focusing their attention on Trump and Attorney General Sessions rather than Obama.


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Sunday, March 5, 2017 5:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


From the BBC on the surveillance
Quote:

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

What I want to know is how all of these "secrets" out there are always leaked by "sources".

That's all we hear anymore, from either side. No facts. No evidence. Just a bunch of opinion pieces and random unnamed sources.

The way I look at it? If a source isn't going to be named, that's because A) the source was made up and the story is bullshit, or B) the source is lying.

Sure, there is always the chance that C) the source could get in a lot of trouble and/or die if they were known to have talked, but I'm done giving the benefit of the doubt. Not when every goddamned story cites anonymous sources these days.

No wonder we're always fighting with each other. We're not presented with facts and then discussing our different views on these facts. We can't even agree with what is and what is not fact anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:28 AM

G


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, is Trump nuts???



He's acting like a guilty man. He's paranoid for a reason.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/

Obama can't order a tap btw.
“If he has evidence that he was wiretapped without a proper FISA order being sought, that would be a huge scandal, and he should produce whatever evidence he’s got,” says Sanchez. “It’s a pretty serious claim, and it’s striking he would make it without anything solid to back it up.”
The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, as well as a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC."
“While the order would have been requested by some part of the executive branch, Obama can’t order anything. Nor can Trump,” says former NSA lawyer April Doss, who stresses that her comments are based only on public information. “The order has to come from the court, and the court operates independently.”

Trump is probably just a little nuts and a lot guilty.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
Obama can't order a tap btw.



I don't think the claim holds any water, but let's stop being cute about "Obama can't order it". Sure, he couldn't on paper. Don't pretend you're so naive to believe that he couldn't get it done if he wanted to just because he's your guy. Trump technically couldn't either, but I'm sure he could too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:36 AM

G


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Obama can't order a tap btw.



I don't think the claim holds any water, but let's stop being cute about "Obama can't order it". Sure, he couldn't on paper. Don't pretend you're so naive to believe that he couldn't get it done if he wanted to just because he's your guy. Trump technically couldn't either, but I'm sure he could too.



I know what you're saying - Obama winks and things get done, right? Sorry, I doubt judges would risk their careers over that. As the Wired article says: "that would be a huge scandal." Trump needs to put up or shut up, and if it were found out to be true I wouldn't defend Obama for a second. Truth Jack, not sides, not boxes - forget those constraints, they just hold your brain down. If you ever want us to get out of this Dem v. Rep sh*t pile we need more of that.

Funny, Trump can't get his first executive order to stick, so no, I don't think Trump could get that done.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I know what you're saying - Obama winks and things get done, right? Sorry, I doubt judges would risk their careers over that. As the Wired article says: "that would be a huge scandal." Trump needs to put up or shut up, and if it were found out to be true I wouldn't defend Obama for a second.- GSTRING
Uh huh.

FROM THE LAWNEWZ

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So what happened?

.... The interesting thing is that this isn’t a new development. In fact, several outlets including Mother Jones, The Guardian, The National Review, and Heat Street

and the BBC
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have been reporting on this alleged activity over the last couple of months.

Here is the best summary we could find of the Obama administration’s efforts to wiretap Trump associates. From a January 11, 2017 Guardian article:

The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation


http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/trump-asks-if-its-legal-for-obama-adm
in-to-wiretap-him-here-is-the-answer
/

COULD Obama get an order to surveil the Trump Tower server? OF COURSE HE COULD. According to the same source

Quote:

“Well, putting aside there is no indication Trump himself was the target of the FISA warrant (it appears to have been aimed at four of his associates), yes, it CAN be legally done,” Bradley Moss, an attorney and national security expert explained to LawNewz.com.


GSTRING, you're an ignoramus. Or maybe an ignoranus.


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Sunday, March 5, 2017 9:09 AM

THGRRI

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What SIG doesn't realize, is her link to the BBC lays out a clear case as to why there would be a need to tap Trumps phones. This is more self inflected wounds with SIG picking at the scabs.

As for posting anything from Breitbart, Breitbart News has published a number of falsehoods and conspiracy theories, as well as intentionally misleading stories. Which is exactly how SIG posts here. I followed the link to the BBC. Reading it made me feel as though our intelligence agencies would be remiss, if they didn't look into to this using every tool available.

Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, is Trump nuts???



He's acting like a guilty man. He's paranoid for a reason.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/

Obama can't order a tap btw.
“If he has evidence that he was wiretapped without a proper FISA order being sought, that would be a huge scandal, and he should produce whatever evidence he’s got,” says Sanchez. “It’s a pretty serious claim, and it’s striking he would make it without anything solid to back it up.”
The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, as well as a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC."
“While the order would have been requested by some part of the executive branch, Obama can’t order anything. Nor can Trump,” says former NSA lawyer April Doss, who stresses that her comments are based only on public information. “The order has to come from the court, and the court operates independently.”

Trump is probably just a little nuts and a lot guilty.



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Sunday, March 5, 2017 11:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Obama can't order a tap btw.



I don't think the claim holds any water, but let's stop being cute about "Obama can't order it". Sure, he couldn't on paper. Don't pretend you're so naive to believe that he couldn't get it done if he wanted to just because he's your guy. Trump technically couldn't either, but I'm sure he could too.



I know what you're saying - Obama winks and things get done, right? Sorry, I doubt judges would risk their careers over that. As the Wired article says: "that would be a huge scandal." Trump needs to put up or shut up, and if it were found out to be true I wouldn't defend Obama for a second. Truth Jack, not sides, not boxes - forget those constraints, they just hold your brain down. If you ever want us to get out of this Dem v. Rep sh*t pile we need more of that.

Funny, Trump can't get his first executive order to stick, so no, I don't think Trump could get that done.



How would it be a huge scandal? He was the crown prince shit of everything. Obama got less MSM scrutiny in 8 years than Trump has gotten in 6 weeks.

But that's beside the point. They could put that through so many channels that nobody would even be able to tie it to the President. LOL... actually the more I think of it, the likelihood that it happened goes up. Chances are that Obama actually had nothing to do with it though. Somebody tells Trump that Obama did it, and he can't keep his busy fingers off Twitter and says that for everyone to ridicule and focus on... meanwhile the taps actually did happen and nobody is even looking at that anymore because of this new fiasco.


I'm allowed to theorize over bullshit too G. That's all the MSM and you guys have been doing since Trump has been in office. I haven't seen any proof of anything. Just a lot of opinion pieces, and unnamed sources.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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What SIG doesn't realize, is her link to the BBC lays out a clear case as to why there would be a need to tap Trumps phones. This is more self inflected wounds with SIG picking at the scabs. - THUGR
THUGR, if you had read the article for comprehension, instead of for talking points, or if you had been following the actions of FISA court on your own, you would have realized that the FIAS Court almost never turns down a request for surveillance. As the article said

Quote:

“The problem with the President’s question is that the standards for FISA are so low and easily satisfied (with little judicial review) that it is difficult to establish any illegality under the law,” wrote George Washington Law Professor Jonathan Turley.


As of 2015,

Quote:

Here's how many US surveillance requests were rejected in 2015
The FISA Court has only rejected 12 requests in more than three decades.

Since 1979 through to 2015, the last round of reporting figures, the court has approved 38,365 warrants but only rejected a dozen. That's a rejection rate of 0.031 percent.


http://www.zdnet.com/article/us-spy-court-didnt-reject-a-single-secret
-government-demand-for-data
/
That the first two requests for surveillance were REJECTED shows just how weak the case was to being with, and it was reoslved in the usual way by the requesting authorities: judge-shopping.

Quote:

He's acting like a guilty man. He's paranoid for a reason.
Gee, why would that be???



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Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:16 PM

G


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

He's acting like a guilty man. He's paranoid for a reason.
Gee, why would that be???




Hrmmm...Substantial financial ties with Russia that compromise his ability to be an effective president that ultimately cost him his job maybe? It's just a guess.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:20 PM

G


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
COULD Obama get an order to surveil the Trump Tower server? OF COURSE HE COULD. According to the same source

Quote:

“Well, putting aside there is no indication Trump himself was the target of the FISA warrant (it appears to have been aimed at four of his associates), yes, it CAN be legally done,” Bradley Moss, an attorney and national security expert explained to LawNewz.com.


GSTRING, you're an ignoramus. Or maybe an ignoranus.




Where does your quote say Obama could have ordered the tap?

"yes, it CAN be legally done"


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Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Hrmmm...Substantial
alleged, investigated, unproven
Quote:

financial ties
such as? Big hotels? Large contributions?
Quote:

with Russia that compromise his ability to be an effective president that ultimately cost him his job maybe? It's just a guess.

Or maybe its the continuous succession of anonymous allegations which so far are nothing more than fake news?



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Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey G... I'm hoping for the best here. Who knows how this is all going to turn out?

All I have to say is that I'm still happier having a president who possibly, allegedly, still has yet to be proven to have ties with Russia than one who was deeeeeep in the pockets of Middle Eastern interests.

This isn't an old James Bond flick. Given the last 2 presidencies and the atrocities done by a much scarier enemy, I don't think that being on friendly terms with Russia is a bad thing. We've still got an ocean separating us from most of this. It's right in their back yard.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm posting the Breitbart version in full because it is supposedly THE source of Trump's tweet, however, what was published here was also sourced elsewhere, including in the BBC.

Here is the BBC on the surveillance
Quote:

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Full coverage: Trump takes office

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


So, is Trump nuts???

No, I don't think so. I think this is full-scale war between the CIA/ deep state and the Trump Administration. Last time this happened, that President wound up dead. I know our gentle friends from outside the USA can't imagine that this could possibly be going on, but yanno... when a world empire is at stake oligarchs will order some crazy shit be done.

The BREITBART VERSION
Quote:

Radio host Mark Levin used his Thursday evening show to outline the known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.

Levin called Obama’s effort “police state” tactics, and suggested that Obama’s actions, rather than conspiracy theories about alleged Russian interference in the presidential election to help Trump, should be the target of congressional investigation.

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

Levin called the effort a “silent coup” by the Obama administration and demanded that it be investigated.

In addition, Levin castigated Republicans in Congress for focusing their attention on Trump and Attorney General Sessions rather than Obama.



Maybe true? Don't tell thuggery, his head might explode - he's more better smarter than us.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 5:02 PM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


The opinions you express in this post show your are not interested in the truth. Only in arguing alternative facts.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

What SIG doesn't realize, is her link to the BBC lays out a clear case as to why there would be a need to tap Trumps phones. This is more self inflected wounds with SIG picking at the scabs. - THUGR
THUGR, if you had read the article for comprehension, instead of for talking points, or if you had been following the actions of FISA court on your own, you would have realized that the FIAS Court almost never turns down a request for surveillance. As the article said

Quote:

“The problem with the President’s question is that the standards for FISA are so low and easily satisfied (with little judicial review) that it is difficult to establish any illegality under the law,” wrote George Washington Law Professor Jonathan Turley.


As of 2015,

Quote:

Here's how many US surveillance requests were rejected in 2015
The FISA Court has only rejected 12 requests in more than three decades.

Since 1979 through to 2015, the last round of reporting figures, the court has approved 38,365 warrants but only rejected a dozen. That's a rejection rate of 0.031 percent.


http://www.zdnet.com/article/us-spy-court-didnt-reject-a-single-secret
-government-demand-for-data
/
That the first two requests for surveillance were REJECTED shows just how weak the case was to being with, and it was reoslved in the usual way by the requesting authorities: judge-shopping.

Quote:

He's acting like a guilty man. He's paranoid for a reason.
Gee, why would that be???



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 5:03 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm posting the Breitbart version in full because it is supposedly THE source of Trump's tweet, however, what was published here was also sourced elsewhere, including in the BBC.

Here is the BBC on the surveillance
Quote:

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Full coverage: Trump takes office

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


So, is Trump nuts???

No, I don't think so. I think this is full-scale war between the CIA/ deep state and the Trump Administration. Last time this happened, that President wound up dead. I know our gentle friends from outside the USA can't imagine that this could possibly be going on, but yanno... when a world empire is at stake oligarchs will order some crazy shit be done.

The BREITBART VERSION
Quote:

Radio host Mark Levin used his Thursday evening show to outline the known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.

Levin called Obama’s effort “police state” tactics, and suggested that Obama’s actions, rather than conspiracy theories about alleged Russian interference in the presidential election to help Trump, should be the target of congressional investigation.

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

Levin called the effort a “silent coup” by the Obama administration and demanded that it be investigated.

In addition, Levin castigated Republicans in Congress for focusing their attention on Trump and Attorney General Sessions rather than Obama.



Maybe true? Don't tell thuggery, his head might explode - he's more better smarter than us.



Really though, the person who would have to ok the wire tap is on the record as saying it didn't happen. This is a man who served this country for the past 50 years.

Let me do the math. Fifty years of service, vs Trump.


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Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:41 PM

1KIKI


the person who would have to ok the wire tap name needed is on the record link needed




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
the person who would have to ok the wire tap name needed is on the record link needed




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?



There's only one guy for that?

And since when did we start believing that the government is telling us the truth again?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:36 PM

1KIKI


No, there isn't only one man. THUGGER is wrong - again. There are 11 judges - three are women. http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/current-membership
That bullshit about "a man who served this country for the past 50 years"(!), no less, being "on the record" is just the usual THUGGER bullshit.
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Really though, the person who would have to ok the wire tap is on the record as saying it didn't happen. This is a man who served this country for the past 50 years.

Let me do the math. Fifty years of service, vs Trump.







How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:31 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's only one guy for that?



Yeah, we have a chapp for that.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:38 AM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
the person who would have to ok the wire tap name needed is on the record link needed




James Clapper is his name. When are you going to learn that some of us hear only deal in truths. Sometimes we are wrong but never liars. Any such wire taps Clapper would have to have been aware of.

It doesn't matter now. The head of the FBI just called on the Justice Department to publicly declare Trumps claims of wire taping to be false. This thing is going to be over before it starts. Trump along with his credibility is really up shits creek now.


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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:58 AM

1KIKI


James Clapper is his name. And snooping is his game. But no, it's not Clapper. Try again.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 8:13 AM

G


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
James Clapper is his name.
And snooping is his game. But no, it's not Clapper. Try again.



Former DNI James Clapper: ‘I Can Deny’ Wiretap of Trump Tower
by KAILANI KOENIG

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-dni-james-clapper
-i-can-deny-wiretap-trump-tower-n729261


WASHINGTON — Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Sunday denied any suggestion that Trump Tower communications were wiretapped before the election.

For the part of the national security apparatus that he oversaw, "there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign," Clapper told Chuck Todd in an exclusive interview on Sunday's "Meet The Press."

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Monday, March 6, 2017 8:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Trump along with his credibility is really up shits creek now.



Only to people who didn't believe he had any credibility in the first place. Most people I know either haven't heard about the "Russia thing" or don't believe any of it. Then again, I'm not part of Hollywood and I don't live on a college campus.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 6, 2017 8:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm posting the Breitbart version in full because it is supposedly THE source of Trump's tweet, however, what was published here was also sourced elsewhere, including in the BBC.

Here is the BBC on the surveillance
Quote:

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Full coverage: Trump takes office

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


So, is Trump nuts???

No, I don't think so. I think this is full-scale war between the CIA/ deep state and the Trump Administration. Last time this happened, that President wound up dead. I know our gentle friends from outside the USA can't imagine that this could possibly be going on, but yanno... when a world empire is at stake oligarchs will order some crazy shit be done.

The BREITBART VERSION
Quote:

Radio host Mark Levin used his Thursday evening show to outline the known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.

Levin called Obama’s effort “police state” tactics, and suggested that Obama’s actions, rather than conspiracy theories about alleged Russian interference in the presidential election to help Trump, should be the target of congressional investigation.

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

Levin called the effort a “silent coup” by the Obama administration and demanded that it be investigated.

In addition, Levin castigated Republicans in Congress for focusing their attention on Trump and Attorney General Sessions rather than Obama.



Maybe true? Don't tell thuggery, his head might explode - he's more better smarter than us.



Really though, the person who would have to ok the wire tap is on the record as saying it didn't happen. This is a man who served this country for the past 50 years.

Let me do the math. Fifty years of service, vs Trump.


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Would that be the same ass clown that promised us all that they would only be recording meta-data, not the contents of phone calls?
And the same ass-clown that danced his way aroung the terms, saying "not ordered" instead of "didn't happen" and "wiretapping" instead of "electronic surveilance" and such?
Are you a gullible fool, or just a Libtard?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 9:02 PM

G


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Trump along with his credibility is really up shits creek now.



Only to people who didn't believe he had any credibility in the first place. Most people I know either haven't heard about the "Russia thing" or don't believe any of it. Then again, I'm not part of Hollywood and I don't live on a college campus.




You act like ignorance of US and world events is some how cool.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 9:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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"there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign" [said James Clapper]
... "Except we DID wiretap Trump tower communication servers to target "Russian" agents, and if we managed to capture Trump or his aides ... well, that was a bonus" he added, under his breath.



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Monday, March 6, 2017 10:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
You act like ignorance of US and world events is some how cool.



No... Just not paying attention to fake news is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:09 PM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

"there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign" [said James Clapper]
... "Except we DID wiretap Trump tower communication servers to target "Russian" agents, and if we managed to capture Trump or his aides ... well, that was a bonus" he added, under his breath.




Cites please SIG. Not from fake news sources. Cites that say the wiretaps did occur.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:14 PM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
You act like ignorance of US and world events is some how cool.



No... Just not paying attention to fake news is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



What you don't know can't hurt you Jack, and in your case ignorance is bliss. To bad that means you are going through life with blinders on, and therefore clueless.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:38 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
You act like ignorance of US and world events is some how cool.



No... Just not paying attention to fake news is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



What you don't know can't hurt you Jack, and in your case ignorance is bliss. To bad that means you are going through life with blinders on, and therefore clueless.

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At the end of the day T, tell me how knowing about anything we discuss in here improves our lives one single tiny bit.

There is merit behind the term Ignorance is Bliss, which is why it's withstood the test of time.

Nothing you or I think or do or say is going to change a thing. The machine will keep churning. We are powerless to do anything about it. Some of us choose to pretend to do something about it, and others put their heads in the sand. It's been my experience that the people who choose the latter are much happier and more fun to be around in general.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:34 PM

REAVERFAN


It's clearly not true at all. Why do you lie?

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 2:50 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Are you talking to anybody in particular?

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:43 AM

DREAMTROVE


the stories are interesting, and some of the discussions. The arguments, not so much

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 11:00 AM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


Ignorant is as ignorant does. You say if there is one thing you know it's money. Why, it's important to make good decisions when dealing with your money, that's why. Do you understand? Ignorance means bad decisions. Bad decisions mean bad consequences or results.= Trump

Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
You act like ignorance of US and world events is some how cool.



No... Just not paying attention to fake news is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



What you don't know can't hurt you Jack, and in your case ignorance is bliss. To bad that means you are going through life with blinders on, and therefore clueless.

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At the end of the day T, tell me how knowing about anything we discuss in here improves our lives one single tiny bit.

There is merit behind the term Ignorance is Bliss, which is why it's withstood the test of time.

Nothing you or I think or do or say is going to change a thing. The machine will keep churning. We are powerless to do anything about it. Some of us choose to pretend to do something about it, and others put their heads in the sand. It's been my experience that the people who choose the latter are much happier and more fun to be around in general.



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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 12:37 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Ignorant is as ignorant does. You say if there is one thing you know it's money. Why, it's important to make good decisions when dealing with your money, that's why. Do you understand? Ignorance means bad decisions. Bad decisions mean bad consequences or results.= Trump



Says you. That's just more subjective garbage. I've seen a lot of bitching and moaning around here for going on two months. Nothing has changed, and the only people who believe any of the unsubstantiated claims being made are you and the rest of the Never Trumpers.

Sorry you're butt hurt.

Obama sucked for 8 years, but I bitched about it less in 8 years than you've bitched about Trump in less than 2 months.

Bring me some real news and I will consider it. In the mean time, I'm not going to waste my time and energy on opinion pieces from clearly biased sources.

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:21 PM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


He insisted for weeks his crowds were lager than any other during his inaugural. Now only was this childish but it was a lie.

He said he won the presidential election by the largest margin ever. That's a lie.

For weeks he claimed three million illegals voted and that's why he lost New Hampshire. Not only childish but a lie.

He says Obama wire tapped his phone at Trump Towers. Another lie

He said the crime rates were the highest ever. They are actually the lowest they have been in 40 years. Again a lie

The list is endless Jack. What is it you don't get.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Ignorant is as ignorant does. You say if there is one thing you know it's money. Why, it's important to make good decisions when dealing with your money, that's why. Do you understand? Ignorance means bad decisions. Bad decisions mean bad consequences or results.= Trump



Says you. That's just more subjective garbage. I've seen a lot of bitching and moaning around here for going on two months. Nothing has changed, and the only people who believe any of the unsubstantiated claims being made are you and the rest of the Never Trumpers.

Sorry you're butt hurt.

Obama sucked for 8 years, but I bitched about it less in 8 years than you've bitched about Trump in less than 2 months.

Bring me some real news and I will consider it. In the mean time, I'm not going to waste my time and energy on opinion pieces from clearly biased sources.



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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 2:11 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
He insisted for weeks his crowds were lager than any other during his inaugural. Now only was this childish but it was a lie.

He said he won the presidential election by the largest margin ever. That's a lie.

For weeks he claimed three million illegals voted and that's why he lost New Hampshire. Not only childish but a lie.

He says Obama wire tapped his phone at Trump Towers. Another lie

He said the crime rates were the highest ever. They are actually the lowest they have been in 40 years. Again a lie

The list is endless Jack. What is it you don't get.




How has any of that had a single impact on your life?

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Thursday, March 9, 2017 7:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm posting the Breitbart version in full because it is supposedly THE source of Trump's tweet, however, what was published here was also sourced elsewhere, including in the BBC.

Here is the BBC on the surveillance
Quote:

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Full coverage: Trump takes office

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


So, is Trump nuts???

No, I don't think so. I think this is full-scale war between the CIA/ deep state and the Trump Administration. Last time this happened, that President wound up dead. I know our gentle friends from outside the USA can't imagine that this could possibly be going on, but yanno... when a world empire is at stake oligarchs will order some crazy shit be done.

The BREITBART VERSION
Quote:

Radio host Mark Levin used his Thursday evening show to outline the known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.

Levin called Obama’s effort “police state” tactics, and suggested that Obama’s actions, rather than conspiracy theories about alleged Russian interference in the presidential election to help Trump, should be the target of congressional investigation.

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

Levin called the effort a “silent coup” by the Obama administration and demanded that it be investigated.

In addition, Levin castigated Republicans in Congress for focusing their attention on Trump and Attorney General Sessions rather than Obama.



Maybe true? Don't tell thuggery, his head might explode - he's more better smarter than us.



Really though, the person who would have to ok the wire tap is on the record as saying it didn't happen. This is a man who served this country for the past 50 years.

Let me do the math. Fifty years of service, vs Trump.


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Would that be the same ass clown that promised us all that they would only be recording meta-data, not the contents of phone calls?
And the same ass-clown that danced his way aroung the terms, saying "not ordered" instead of "didn't happen" and "wiretapping" instead of "electronic surveilance" and such?
Are you a gullible fool, or just a Libtard?


Obama had electronic surveillance of Trump's server both with a FISA WEarrant, and without.
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-shit-is-starting-to-fly.html

http://circa.com/politics/fbi-probe-of-donald-trump-and-russia-during-
election-yielded-no-evidence-of-crimes


http://www.thepostemail.com/2017/03/08/hannity-demands-obama-answer-qu
estions-fisa-warrant-trump-tower-server
/

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/08/sean-hannity-claims-fi
sa-and-non-fisa-wiretapping-warrants-were-issued-monitoring-president-trump
/



So, do you admit you lied?
Or do you admit you were gullible enough to regurgitate whatever Looney Lefty Libtard Lies were spewed as Talking Points by your leaders?
Or are you going to claim that by parsing your terms like we pointed out the NSA idjit did, you will proclaim your lies, falsehoods, fabrications, and "Libtard Truths" to be actually factual?

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


??
crickets...
??

That was the server for not just Donald Trump, but the Tower, the campaign, et al.

So Obama/Hilliary and their FBI or CIA performing electronic surveillance on the Presidential campaign during the election. Yet they point fingers at Communist Russia as purportedly being "bad" while they continue to exert Nazi power and tactics.

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


New York Obamabot US Attorney whines that Trump told him in Nov to stay on.
Could this be related to his lying to Trump about not wiretapping Trumps server, with the campaign included? Trying to hide his corruption of electronic surveillance for Bobo? Now that his corruption is exposed, he expects his lies to keep him out of jail?
Or is it something else?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/attorney-general-seeks-resignations-46-20312
0499.html

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As I see it, if those "anonymous" insinuations about Trump's, or his campaign advisors or appointees contacts "with Russia" are based on anything at all, then they were wiretapped.

And if they weren't wiretapped, then the insinuations are baseless.

Hence, the rather carefully circumscribed denials by Obama, Brenner etc ... "not to my knowledge" ... "not Trump or his campaign".

There are no blanket denials of wiretapping, probably the taps were based on something specious, claiming the "real" purpose was to look for "Russians", which I think would actually allow the CIA access.

On a related note, I finally found out what those "mysterious contacts" were between Alfa Bank and the Trump Tower server: Apparently an Alfa Bank server "pinged" the Trump Tower server, but there was no return communication. Now, given the CIA's treasure trove of hacking tools, it's entirely possible that the CIA "pinged" Trump Tower under the guise of Alfa bank, and that those "pings" served as the excuse to tap the server. I wouldn't put it past them, anyway.

These allegations are verging on moronic, and are counting on the ignorance of the American public in order to scare them. This is another one of those far-too-may-smoking-guns, just like the rapidly-shifting excuses for invading Iraq. If you throw so much shit at people, eventually you throw them off-balance.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


But it occurs to me that this shit-slinging - yanno, generating FUD*- is worse than shit-slinging to invade Iraq, because the same techniques to destroy Iraq are being used against our own country.

It's easy to feel complacent even when you KNOW the techniques of destabilizing nations and you see it practiced on other nations. But then, when you see it turned on your own country, that's another thing altogether.

I'll put these thoughts together in the Deep State thread.

* Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:44 PM

1KIKI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But it occurs to me that this shit-slinging - yanno, generating FUD*- is worse than shit-slinging to invade Iraq, because the same techniques to destroy Iraq are being used against our own country.

It's easy to feel complacent even when you KNOW the techniques of destabilizing nations and you see it practiced on other nations. But then, when you see it turned on your own country, that's another thing altogether.

I'll put these thoughts together in the Deep State thread.

* Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

I think most people here are nearly 100% unfamiliar with how the US got and still gets rid of governments around the globe.

Briefly, goes like this (and usually in this order, when a lower step fails they go on to something stronger):
1) corrupt the people in government to sign on to massive loans that can never be paid back, in order to economically dismember the country (this doesn't get rid of the government per se, but it removes any impulse to represent the welfare of the people, and puts them at the mercy of foreign/ international corporate interests);
2) send in the jackals to destabilize and destroy the existing government through intensive disinformation campaigns; paid protesters, proxies and provocateurs; and of course a ready-made replacement government more in tune with US/ corporate interests;
3) assassination, sometimes through small plane crashes (I sometimes wonder why they feared Wellstone so much); and
4) if all else fails, the military option.

But I think even if people got a list of the dozens of times the US did this over the decades, they still couldn't wrap their heads around the reality.

Though yes, indeed, this looks like a typical deep-state campaign to remove a government. Interesting concept.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:56 PM

THGRRI

May the Good Lord take a liking to you... but not too soon!


I'm checking out the posts here by SIG and 1kiki and all I can think to say is;

MAN YOU GUYS,,, REALLY HATE AMERICA. IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A SICKNESS.

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:32 PM

1KIKI


Putting you on ignore again.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 13, 2017 7:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I'm checking out the posts here by SIG and 1kiki and all I can think to say is;

MAN YOU GUYS,,, REALLY HATE AMERICA. IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A SICKNESS.



Somebody just discovered how appalling it has been to witness the past 8 years of Obama's destruction of America.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I've heard news or promo clips claiming there will be evidence provided tonight, but I don't see references or specifics yet.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/04/trump-wiretapping-fbi-warrent/

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've heard news or promo clips claiming there will be evidence provided tonight, but I don't see references or specifics yet.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/04/trump-wiretapping-fbi-warrent/


For those of you who do not have access to real news, or are scheduled for your FACTS Vaccine Immunization Booster shot, here is an introduction to the real world of facts, truth:

Yes, The criminally corrupt Obama Administration, including the criminal ly corrupt AG, DOJ, and the 17 agencies Obama demanded the illegally obtained electronic surveillance reports be illegally disseminated throughout the government:

https://www.palmerreport.com/news/house-intel-chair-devin-nunes-admits
-donald-trump-white-house-staffer-is-under-surveillance/1976
/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-22/nunes-trump-transition-member
s-and-possibly-trump-himself-were-under-surveillance-du


http://www.pajiba.com/politics/the-investigation-into-the-trump-wireta
p-claims-and-collusion-with-russia-just-got-weirder.php


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveil
lance-obama-236366


http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-intel-chair-possible-that-other-s
urveillance-activities-used-against-trump-and-associates
/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/22/top-republican-says-u
-s-incidentally-spied-on-trump-team-not-over-russia.html


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/03/22/house-intelligen
ce-chairman-trump-transition-members-were-inappropriately-monitored-n2302550


The "Russia" investigation related to the already admitted fake investigation ongoing since July 2016. These new "incidental" surveillances of 139 other private citizens in Trump's transition team are not related to "Russia" and are since the Election in November.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 3:01 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


...And if you clap real LOUD and believe with all your might, you can save Tinkerbell!


SGG

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