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What "THEY'VE" done to us and it's worse than Paxilon Hydrochlorate

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:59 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


A new report from the advocacy group Autism Speaks looks at how and why the neurodevelopmental disorder may be linked to other health problems, including difficulty sleeping, digestive distress, epilepsy, attention deficit and hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), eating challenges, depression, bipolar disorder and anxiety..

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/autism-report-disorder-linked-to-many-heal
th-issues
/


Ok, for years now the medical community has been saying certain neurological disorders are connective tissue disorders. Connective tissue holds together every part of our body together, even fat and brain. The tissue in different parts can be too loose OR too tight, with varying effects. In the lungs you get asthma, in the skin you may get eczema...




I am Dyspraxic (variable neuro-motor disorder) and I have a connective tissue joint problem. I have a sulfite intolerance as well. ( just learned my aunt and my cousin have Sulfa drug allergies a few minutes ago)

My spouse has Aspergers and a nickel sulfate intolerance. His mother is allergic to sulfa drugs, and his father to onions (high sulfur)

My neighbor is Bi-polar and has diabetes and her mother was allergic to corn (high amounts of sulfur)

My mother has a personality disorder and cancer, and her father had a sulfite intolerance. Her brothers have Anxiety disorders and Cancer, and one most likely has Aspergers.







What I am saying is that sulfur is in more foods now than at any time in HISTORY. It is in literally 90% of processed foods, and half of all natural foods. Anywhere you see SULF it means there is a sulfur ion in that food.

>>>>>>>>>>* WE ARE ALL OVERDOSING ON IT EVERY DAY. *<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<





It is a drug. It kills bacteria. It is used in pesticides and gunpowder. It is an irritant and breathing it in can cause your lungs to cease function. It is used in medicine (sulfa drugs) to prevent bacteria from multiplying.

It also makes bread fluffier, and foods last longer on the shelf.










It ALSO dries out the systems of people with connective tissue disorders and the body responds by holding on to as much fat as it can to compensate and soothe the inflammation. In turn the fat uses the sulfur to make more connective tissue to store MORE FAT. More fat means more sulfur, until you hit overload and cause massive damage to various body systems. It just depends on where your connective tissue DNA is weak...

Just imagine rubbing sulfur and salt on your skin for a minute. What do you think that does to your intestines??


>>>>> *IT IS WHY THE OBESITY RATES HAVE GONE UP SO FAR *<<<<<<<<<<<<<










Sulfur is used in the body to create and repair connective tissues, even in utero it forms the brain, and if you cannot process it correctly?? It causes neurological issues in the child because the connections between neurons vary during formation. Connections that vary cause disorders that vary from day to day, which would explain why bi-polars are ok one day and not the next, why A.D.D. people have good days and bad days, because the brain isn't stationary, it moves slightly when it has defective connective tissue....which means that the neurons align better some days than others!


>>>>>>>>>>* IT IS WHY AUTISM RATES HAVE GONE UP *<<<<<<<<<<<



How is this possible?? Food intolerances can build for YEARS without ANY SYMPTOMS ....WHAT..SO..EVER. The only symptom I had for two decades was occasional headaches and ONE rash. There is a report that five percent of men and nine percent of women have experienced adverse and unusual reactions to alcohol... ALCOHOL CONTAINS A TON OF SULFITES TO KEEP IT FROM SPOILING.



If I am right, if you factor in all the people who don't drink...

OVER 20 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION HAS A SULFUR/SULFITE/SULFATE INTOLERANCE!


I know I've been harping this to death, but I truly believe it is a major problem. I don't know where to send this or what to do with it, so if anyone has any ideas...I'd love to hear them...

In 5-10 years I think everyone will know, it's going to be HUGE.



If I figured this out I know that the government or scientists HAVE TO KNOW and have done nothing. And I think it is because it would cost the food industries TRILLIONS to remove sulfur and find another way to sell goods. They are killing us for money!!!











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Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I just did a search for the difference between Sodium and Sulfur (rusty on the chemicals) and it turns out they make batteries.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:20 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


And we EAT IT...

I found out last night that the myelin in the brain is formed from a type of sulfate, so... smoking gun here...

Obviously if the DNA can't handle it there will be problems...

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Saturday, April 29, 2017 3:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I have mentioned this before, but I'm not sure if it was to you: The film Lorenzo's Oil, based on true story and revolving around the loss of myelin, gives good background on it. It's like the insulator around wires, but in the body it insulates the chemicals which are transferring electricity, otherwise the electrical signals get grounded out.

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Monday, May 1, 2017 1:50 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Yes, I've heard of it.

I think if sulfites were reduced to maybe a quarter of current levels that Autism, ADD, Asthma, Eczema, EDS and all the other related issues could be reduced by HALF. I don't think these issues could be completely eradicated, because DNA will always find a way to mutate. And I think there will always be people who eat crap while pregnant, get drunk, do drugs...

The first step here is to developing better tests. Right now there is only an inaccurate experimental test.

Even without testing, if pregnant women who have health issues themselves, or who were overweight were recommended to reduce their sulfite consumption levels, I think it could make an impact now. I've dropped 30 lbs just taking out sulfites, and I still eat plenty.

Not that this country understands ANYTHING well, much less healthy eating...

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Monday, May 1, 2017 6:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yes, I've heard of it.

I think if sulfites were reduced to maybe a quarter of current levels that Autism, ADD, Asthma, Eczema, EDS and all the other related issues could be reduced by HALF. I don't think these issues could be completely eradicated, because DNA will always find a way to mutate. And I think there will always be people who eat crap while pregnant, get drunk, do drugs...

The first step here is to developing better tests. Right now there is only an inaccurate experimental test.

Even without testing, if pregnant women who have health issues themselves, or who were overweight were recommended to reduce their sulfite consumption levels, I think it could make an impact now. I've dropped 30 lbs just taking out sulfites, and I still eat plenty.

Not that this country understands ANYTHING well, much less healthy eating...


How long ago did you start taking out sulfites, and are you still losing weight, or how long did it take to lose 30 lbs.? Were there other dietary changes at the same time?

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Monday, May 1, 2017 9:03 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Two YEARS. Apparently, your body stores the sulfites up and once you stop consuming them your systems start scavenging them from your fat, but it takes a while ...Every other woman I've met that went off sulfites has lost weight, and one of them now fits into her 6 yr old granddaughters clothes (she was NEVER able to lose weight, but now that she can I think she's maybe taken it too far, but she seems happy).

I lost it from my lower arms and legs and then my stomach. I can see the musculature underneath that I haven't seen since high school (I had great abs at one time). I also had to start exfoliating every other day, either because the sulfites slow skin cell growth or because the dead cells were coming through my skin. I feel like I am slowly shedding my old dumb self.

Ironically, I brought hubby along for the ride and his thyroid tumor has shrunk, and he's lost a few (can't get him to give up pork completely).
THEN we figured out that his metal allergy was in fact a sulfate issue, because they add sulfates to most metals these days to get them to harden faster.

BTW, I know a half dozen other people that the autism-sulf link appears in as well, but didn't want to bog down the finer points....

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Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No, this isn't worse than turning folks into Reavers.



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Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:02 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Here are your choices...DEAD....REAVER....or AUTISM AND LIFELONG CHRONIC HEALTH PROBLEMS.

DO you know how many people would pick dead or reaver???

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Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


we all die, there are no Reavers, and I'm fine.

Me thinks what ever hysteria you're going on about only affects a tiny fraction of a % of the population, if any at all.



Meh.

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Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:47 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I now know a 8 people personally that have problems with it. Which is more than I ever knew with a gluten problem.
I don't believe it IS a small section of the population. Time will prove me right.

What do I care what you think, you don't even have a clue what I'm talking about anyway....


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Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Don't know AND don't care !


A coveted double !



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Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:45 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't know AND don't care !




And you do your anti-science, anti-critical thinking skill brethren PROUD, yet again.


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Saturday, August 26, 2017 3:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't know AND don't care !




And you do your anti-science, anti-critical thinking skill brethren PROUD, yet again.




Disagree with you, makes me " anti-science ". Disagree with this or that person, that makes me " racist ", " homophobic ", what ever...

Sorry, that simply is not me. I'm VERY pro science, and VERY pro critical thinking. I am a skeptic, and sorry if that bothers you , but me not agreeing with you doesn't make me into some some boogyman or pitchfork waving zealot. I prefer to think for myself, thank you.

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Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:47 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Trying to dig your way back outta this one, hmm?

What I wrote isn't that hard to understand, I explained it very clearly.
That you "don't get it" is on you. I can't fix THAT.

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Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Trying to dig your way back outta this one, hmm?

What I wrote isn't that hard to understand, I explained it very clearly.
That you "don't get it" is on you. I can't fix THAT.



I GET it, I just don't buy that it's all that big a deal. Kinda like peanut allergies. Sure , they're deadly for those who are affected, but not a concern for me.


But hey, knock yerself out. Go wild w/ the alarm bell and raising of the red flags.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 26, 2017 11:45 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
but not a concern for me.




You don't understand. I just had an occasional headache and one rash, and I still have it. I think many many others do that don't know until it's too late.

If only half of the people I think have some form of it actually do, that's still 32 MILLION PEOPLE. Just in THIS country.

But hey, only worry about YOU. Yer good at THAT...I mean, you don't care if anyone else gets SSI, and you don't care the government may be allowing food companies to poison us. Don't start screaming when they poison YOU and take away YOUR money, because you know I won't give a damn....


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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 12:51 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


But hey, knock yerself out. Go wild w/ the alarm bell and raising of the red flags.





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5149469/The-rate-food-allerg
ies-TRIPLED-10-years.html



Food allergies have seen a 377 percent spike in the last decade
The 'other specific foods' category accounted for a third of all allergies leading experts to believe preservatives and sugars could be the cause
An analysis conducted by nonprofit FAIR Health extensively analyzed private health insurance claims between 2007 and 2016 to find the data


They see it, it's right in front of them...now how to make them understand????





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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:07 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


If anyone cares....the reason so many people are having problems with nuts...

THEY COVER THEM IN PESTICIDES AND FUNGICIDES AND SALT.

Then they blend them up, and when you swallow a drying agent with a complex protein??? YOU EFFECTIVELY GET CONCRETE, DUHHHH.

Has not a damn thing to do with "early exposure."



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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:50 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
But hey, knock yerself out. Go wild w/ the alarm bell and raising of the red flags.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5149469/The-rate-food-allerg
ies-TRIPLED-10-years.html


Food allergies have seen a 377 percent spike in the last decade
The 'other specific foods' category accounted for a third of all allergies leading experts to believe preservatives and sugars could be the cause
An analysis conducted by nonprofit FAIR Health extensively analyzed private health insurance claims between 2007 and 2016 to find the data

They see it, it's right in front of them...now how to make them understand????

Maybe you, and they, are just getting bung infection.

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:59 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Maybe you, and they, are just getting bung infection.




Honey, if there's anyone here who is an uptight asshole, it's YOU

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Friday, January 12, 2018 1:20 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry

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Friday, February 2, 2018 5:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I just did a search for the difference between Sodium and Sulfur (rusty on the chemicals) and it turns out they make batteries.

This is where I wanted to post the flu vaccination story.

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Monday, February 5, 2018 10:53 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Why? Are the flu vaccines doing something bad?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:23 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Why? Are the flu vaccines doing something bad?

They are spreading the flu to the larger population. Currently the post is stuck in the RWED thread about antibiotic resistance.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is where I wanted to post the flu vaccination story.


Copied from the other thread.
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody heard of the new study showing those injected with vaccines and still survive are something like 23 times more likely to spread the contagion they were injected/infected with.
So the vaccinations create the "herd" to be carriers and distribute, disseminate it to the whole population.

Heard parts of the discussion on Clyde somebodies radio show Ground Zero.



Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
That sounds like it could be interesting if you could provide just a wee bit more information for follow-up.

I recall mention of mere breathing being the spreading action, and flu vaccines causing the neurological disorders. But I don't get a good hit on searching. The specific link was given, and was admitted to be hard to find, but I didn't write it down while driving.

OK, try groundzeromedia.org with Clyde Lewis. Shots In The Dark show dated 31 Jan. I cannot check that content at this time. On the show he did recite a specific link address.

There we go.
I didn't find this thread when I wanted to post this.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:42 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Yeah, they forced hubbs to get one every year at his old job and every year they made him sick for a whole weekend. I've never thought those things were right. I've never had one, either.

Every time I get in the car I hose myself and the kiddo down with hand sanitizer. I'm just doing my best to stay five feet away from EVERYONE this year.


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Saturday, February 10, 2018 3:12 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/08/584330475/major-psy
chiatric-disorders-have-more-in-common-than-we-thought-study-finds



The researchers found that the way genes express themselves in patients with autism, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder actually have a lot in common. Broadly, that includes fewer genes involved in signaling between neurons and more genes related to neuroinflammatory cells.

There are areas of clear divergence, too – an increase in genes related to a certain kind of neuroinflammatory cell was present in patients with autism, but not those with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:38 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 10:10 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I would just like to add that the reason Keto diets are working so well for some people that don't have epilepsy is because they are most likely reactive to sulfur in some way or have connective tissue defects and it has dried them out and caused inflammation. Once you balance the levels of healthy fats -if you have those issues- your body no longer needs to hold on to all the extra.

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I would just like to add that the reason Keto diets are working so well for people that don't have epilepsy is because they are most likely reactive to sulfur in some way or have connective tissue defects and it has dried them out and caused inflammation. Once you balance the levels of healthy fats -if you have those issues- your body no longer needs to hold on to all the extra.

Is that what you meant to say?
Due to syntax, composition, not sure what you mean.

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Sunday, February 25, 2018 12:05 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Yes.

Keto diets are about burning fat for energy, instead of carbs.

In a compromised fat system, the body holds onto what it can. Once it gets a steady supply of what it wants, it no longer holds onto the rest and uses it for fuel instead.

I've been adding more Keto diet foods and I've dropped another 10 lbs. During WINTER, moving LESS than usual. I wouldn't have EVER bet on that happening.

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Monday, February 26, 2018 12:44 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
ump-plan-for-food-boxes-affect-health-native-americans-know-all-too




Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

Scientists think one explanation for these health differences may lie in what is called the "thrifty gene" theory, which suggests Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to obesity and diabetes. But these diseases didn't become prevalent until tribes adopted a more processed Western diet, notes Elizabeth Hoover, who is of Mohawk and Mi'kmaq ancestry and teaches about indigenous food movements at Brown University.

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Thursday, March 1, 2018 11:57 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


^bump

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Monday, March 19, 2018 5:38 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5519469/Women-larger-waists-
likely-children-autism.html


Was reading yesterday that sulfite intolerance is classified as a metabolic disorder, so you know they already know it makes people fat and it's allowed in everything!

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Monday, March 19, 2018 7:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
ump-plan-for-food-boxes-affect-health-native-americans-know-all-too




Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

Scientists think one explanation for these health differences may lie in what is called the "thrifty gene" theory, which suggests Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to obesity and diabetes. But these diseases didn't become prevalent until tribes adopted a more processed Western diet, notes Elizabeth Hoover, who is of Mohawk and Mi'kmaq ancestry and teaches about indigenous food movements at Brown University.

Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

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Monday, March 19, 2018 8:12 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


It actually costs quite a bit of time and money to grow veggies. Tillers, irrigation equipment, seeds, fertilizer, know how.

I cannot speak for the fertility and economic situations of all tribal lands, but I would not want to be a gardener, either.

Between the arthritis, the outdoor allergies, and the heat intolerance, it's really not a possibility for me. Growing edible crops is also not as easy as just sticking seeds in the ground.

Most of the poverty on reservations is due to lack of jobs because people don't invest in poor areas, and because they don't own land and cannot mortgage it as an asset to build a business, and because EVERY business has to go through dozens of approvals processes. Their young that are intelligent enough leave and don't come back.




https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/5-ways-the-government
-keeps-native-americans-in-poverty/#1e7929462c27

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Monday, March 19, 2018 8:39 PM

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It actually costs quite a bit of time and money to grow veggies. Tillers, irrigation equipment, seeds, fertilizer, know how.

I cannot speak for the fertility and economic situations of all tribal lands, but I would not want to be a gardener, either.

Between the arthritis, the outdoor allergies, and the heat intolerance, it's really not a possibility for me. Growing edible crops is also not as easy as just sticking seeds in the ground.

Most of the poverty on reservations is due to lack of jobs because people don't invest in poor areas, and because they don't own land and cannot mortgage it as an asset to build a business, and because EVERY business has to go through dozens of approvals processes. Their young that are intelligent enough leave and don't come back.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/5-ways-the-government
-keeps-native-americans-in-poverty/#1e7929462c27


You should look into urban agra centers, in vacant buildings and vacant parking lots. They also have free training programs, to spread the movement. Sounds like yu are not familiar. It is essentially indoors.

These might help:
https://civileats.com/2017/10/04/milwaukee-is-showing-how-urban-garden
ing-can-heal-a-city
/

http://seedstock.com/2014/04/07/milwaukee-leads-nation-in-urban-agricu
lture-policy
/

https://www.archdaily.com/443632/milwaukee-urban-farm-movement-grows

I had been under the impression these were more common. Either I'm just not finding them, or they are less prevalent.

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Monday, March 19, 2018 11:01 PM

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They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
ump-plan-for-food-boxes-affect-health-native-americans-know-all-too




Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

Quote:

Scientists think one explanation for these health differences may lie in what is called the "thrifty gene" theory, which suggests Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to obesity and diabetes. But these diseases didn't become prevalent until tribes adopted a more processed Western diet, notes Elizabeth Hoover, who is of Mohawk and Mi'kmaq ancestry and teaches about indigenous food movements at Brown University.



This last piece is exactly right. It was the introduction of European foods, white flour, sugar and the like that has cause obesity and diabetes rates to sky rocket in American and Canadian Indians. I've known that for years.

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Monday, March 19, 2018 11:04 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
They talk here about dried potato flakes and peanut butter and shelf stable preservative filled foods and obesity in Native American tribes...

Dried potato flakes have so much sulfite in them they make me throw up. Peanut butter gives me stomach cramps that are so violent they mimic the other effects of a heart attack.

It's awful we as a country are still trying to kill them off.





https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/25/588098959/how-might-tr
ump-plan-for-food-boxes-affect-health-native-americans-know-all-too




Both of her parents worked full time, but "it just wasn't enough to support a family," she says. They relied on government provisions for meals. Breakfast was often a grain like farina served with powdered milk with water added to it. "A lot of times we had mashed potato flakes — you add water, too – and maybe canned peaches, and if you had any vegetables, it was canned. And that was pretty much it."

The effects of this kind of government commodities-based diet can be seen all around Indian country, says Jernigan, now a University of Oklahoma researcher who studies the impacts of food environments on Native American health. "There's even a name for it – it's called 'commod bod.' That's what we call it because it makes you look a certain way when you eat these foods."

The name, she says, is a joke, but the health implications of this kind of diet are anything but funny. American Indians and Alaska Natives are at least twice as likely as whites to have Type 2 diabetes, and they have 1 1/2 times the rate of obesity as non-Hispanic whites, according to the government statistics.

Scientists think one explanation for these health differences may lie in what is called the "thrifty gene" theory, which suggests Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to obesity and diabetes. But these diseases didn't become prevalent until tribes adopted a more processed Western diet, notes Elizabeth Hoover, who is of Mohawk and Mi'kmaq ancestry and teaches about indigenous food movements at Brown University.

Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?



Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

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Monday, March 19, 2018 11:18 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


I had been under the impression these were more common. Either I'm just not finding them, or they are less prevalent.



They stopped doing a lot of urban grow projects because people would steal EVERYTHING including the equipment, all the produce, and then sell it off.
Poor people tend to do that...

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Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 1:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?



Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?



JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

Yes, thanks.

The ag-based Tribes were also nomadic, right? Planted crops and returned later to harvest, right? I remember corn graineries have been found from centuries ago.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:55 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Yes, JSF...growing corn will fix EVERYTHING.

It'll totally make up for lack of industry, isolation, poverty, and a century or two of institutionalization.


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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

Yes, thanks.

The ag-based Tribes were also nomadic, right? Planted crops and returned later to harvest, right? I remember corn graineries have been found from centuries ago.



No they weren't. Hopi and Zuni were Pueblo Indians which is why they had graineries that are now being found archaeologically.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:00 PM

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Yes, JSF...growing corn will fix EVERYTHING.

It'll totally make up for lack of industry, isolation, poverty, and a century or two of institutionalization.




You forgot to mention squash and beans as well Wishi.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:16 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Reviewing this, I wonder if Native Americans can adopt more agrarian practice. They seem to have available unimproved land, not apparently used for much. Are the lands they have not rich in agricultural fioundations?
Even cities now have urban agri-centers, producing fresh veggies, fish, etc within buildings or greenhouses. If Tribes have disused manpower, could they not develop resources like this? Are there Federal regulations prohibiting Native Americans from this agricultural freedom and autonomy?

Outside of what Wishi said, the American government DID not give us the best land for growing or hunting on in the beginning.

This is part of what I was wondering. I know some of it was substandard. Was all of it?
And now, with these new Ag practices, essentially indoors and year-round in wintery climates, can these be utilized to counter the disadvantage that Tribes have? Can a Nation just have Tribal land allocated to build upon, or improve upon, and generate produce by and for Tribal members? Or is there too much drug addiction to withstand the actions that Wishi described, like theft, of TribL property?

JSF, you have to understand that what you are talking about in the here and now has it roots in what happened 200years ago.

Tribes in the US that I knew about that were agriculturally based before the European arrival were the Hopi and Cherokee.

I looked up also the Zuni as well as the Omaha and the Ponca.

Tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne, Crow, Apache, my own and others were not agricultural to begin with. Hunters and gatherers.

Your ancestors had centuries to get into a stationary society. We had it foisted on us by the US gov. We were told to change a whole way of living, a whole way of thinking in a year or two. Government agents would watch us to make sure we were "learning" how to do all this.

Weapons such as guns were taken away that we hunted with and then the government decided maybe some of those should be given back. Trade in alcohol, residential schools.

This has all played into what has happened. Tribes are working on getting out of it. It takes time, 200years of wrong isn't going to be fixed in 50years. This is my feeling and what I know of the subject.

Yes, thanks.

The ag-based Tribes were also nomadic, right? Planted crops and returned later to harvest, right? I remember corn graineries have been found from centuries ago.

No they weren't. Hopi and Zuni were Pueblo Indians which is why they had graineries that are now being found archaeologically.

Thanks for the info.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:32 PM

WISHIMAY

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:36 PM

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I hope this is not off-topic.

I knew about Aspertame stripped away Myelin (see film Lorenzo's Oil for good Myelin info), leading to paralysis. But this was info I had from 15-20 years ago.

Didn't know about the mental illness caused by it (aka NutraSweet}, how it relates to consumption of other products:

http://www.bollyn.com/how-do-ssri-antidepressants-work

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