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Utah Nurse Arrested

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Saturday, September 2, 2017 6:54 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/two-officers-put-on-leave-after-utah-
nurse-confrontation/ar-AAr7SUC?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp


Bodycam footage shows nurse Alex Wubbels arrested for refusing to give a patient's blood sample to police.

Wubbels, 41, is a former Olympic athlete who competed as an Alpine skier in 1998 and 2002. She has worked at the hospital since 2009.

The inquiry into her case will be run by Salt Lake County's Unified Police, Judd, the Salt Lake City police spokeswoman, said. The district attorney's office will review the findings and determine whether they merit criminal charges.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that a blood sample cannot be taken without patient consent or a warrant. Judd said Salt Lake City police updated their blood-draw policy "right away" to match the hospital's, and has already re-trained all remaining officers on the updated policy. 
Police also met with hospital officials within 24 hours of the incident to figure out "what we needed to change to make sure it didn't happen again," Judd said.
"We have a really strong tie to the nurses that we work with. The police interact with nurses multiple times a day sometimes, and we never want to fracture that relationship," she said.
"We took the incident very seriously from the moment we found out about it and have been working really diligently with Wubbels' attorney and ... herself, and trying to make sure that no one in the medical profession ever needs to fear a police officer here," she added. "It's so sad that we've had this rift in our relationship with the medical community and we're working hard to fix that."

Apparently, no charges were filed against Ms. Wubbels

Law and Order in the Age of Trump


SGG

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Saturday, September 2, 2017 7:32 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


You see the one where a cop knocked off this girls rear view mirror and drove away, but she got it on home security cam and they initially sent her a letter denying they hit it, she called the news and after they ran the story the cop sent her a check for $2400?

Cops, man. We've come a long way backwards since Mayberry...



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Saturday, September 2, 2017 7:35 PM

BRENDA


I saw the video of it and it was awful. She was on a cellphone with a supervisor and reading a piece of paper from the police. Apparently the person they wanted blood from wasn't even a suspect in the crime they were investigating.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 4:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I agree, that was awful.

Quote:

Apparently the person they wanted blood from wasn't even a suspect in the crime they were investigating.


That's what I heard as well. WTF is wrong with these cops, this has been going on for some time now...black, white, brown - it doesn't matter, they still try to get away with murder.

Did you see the one about the cop who said to a white person, "Don't worry, we only kill black people." That cop handed in his retirement papers.


SGG

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 9:46 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Sadly, there are bad cops everywhere. And bad cops aren't a new thing. You can almost guarantee that some people will go bad when they become cops if you trust the results of the Stanford Prison experiment.

We even see the dynamic played out here, where people will gang up on individuals and subject them to protracted abuse as long as they think they can get away with it - and such people are often vehemently anti-Trump. Aren't they, SGG?






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


She's white, so it's not a story.

Were she black? Riots

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:14 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I agree, that was awful.

Quote:

Apparently the person they wanted blood from wasn't even a suspect in the crime they were investigating.


That's what I heard as well. WTF is wrong with these cops, this has been going on for some time now...black, white, brown - it doesn't matter, they still try to get away with murder.

Did you see the one about the cop who said to a white person, "Don't worry, we only kill black people." That cop handed in his retirement papers.


SGG






Seeing the caption for that video made me stay away from it. I felt sick just reading that. Well, I'm glad that he had sense enough to do that.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 7:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
You see the one where a cop knocked off this girls rear view mirror and drove away, but she got it on home security cam and they initially sent her a letter denying they hit it, she called the news and after they ran the story the cop sent her a check for $2400?

Cops, man. We've come a long way backwards since Mayberry...

How is it that a cop lies, defrauds in uniform, in the performance of his duties and responsibilities, and he is still employed in the same occupation, and testifying?
Are there so few applicants for cop jobs that this one can't be replaced?

This is a problem.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 11:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


When I was in college many decades ago the local police stomped a man to death for trying to outrun them. It was a big to do. But even back then people were saying the only reason it made the news was because he was a white kid with a rich daddy. Now, this wasn't in some troubled area of the city, it was in a well-to-do suburb.

So even back then Mayberry didn't exist.

It seems to be extraordinarily difficult to turn around the culture of an institution. King/ Drew medical center in LA was a prime example. It was a pit, patients died on gurneys in the halls, it couldn't even meet minimum standards for medical care, morale was low. After multiple years of trying to fix it - even changing out the entire management and 1/3 of the workforce, even with having the only trauma center in the neighborhood and everything to lose - the feds finally closed much of it down.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/11/us/11hospital.html






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 11:36 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How is it that a cop lies, defrauds in uniform, in the performance of his duties and responsibilities, and he is still employed in the same occupation, and testifying?
Are there so few applicants for cop jobs that this one can't be replaced?

This is a problem.



The cops didn't learn shit from the downfall of the Catholic Church, apparently.

They better start firing people, or this will end badly.

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Sunday, September 3, 2017 11:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


They need to start firing people, but I don't think it'll be the fix that's needed.


VERY anecdotally, many years ago an ex cop explained that the CHP had about as bad a reputation as any corrupt small-town southern pohlice. And after several attempts to turn it around, finally they brought it in guy who did the job. But nobody figured out how he was successful when everyone else failed.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 9:55 AM

6STRINGJOKER


By itself, it might not be the long term fix that is needed. It's a good start though.

Firing people isn't just about instilling fear in cops that do bad shit. More importantly, it's about public perception.

I remember reading about a Chicago cop off-duty in a bar about 15 years ago, drunk off his ass, that beat the shit out of a female bartender who barely weighed 100 lbs. He was suspended with pay after the incident. HE GOT A PAID VACATION FOR IT!!!! Almost anybody else in any profession would be immediately fired from their job and thrown in jail after an incident like that.

There wouldn't even be organizations like BLM if cops weren't above the law. As much as I disagree with BLM and consider them to be a criminal organization, it's hard for normal people in the middle to argue when there are such egregious abuses of power that amount to little more than a slap on the wrist when they happen.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 5:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


For the most part I agree. Cops need to be held to a higher standard than you sometimes see.

Doesn't it make you wonder though? It does me. What WOULD it take to turn a police department around? A hospital? A banking industry?

Where I work - I've been there long enough to see an ingrained culture set into stone, even when the original perpetrators are decades gone. There was an original team leader who was a lawsuit waiting to happen. But he had control of the most sophisticated instrumentation at the time, so anyone who came into his favor and wanted to continue to advance their careers, and anyone who hoped to be under his favor, just kind of shut up about what he would do to them and others. Even though he left fairly early, one budding young man who came up in 'the system' and under favor eventually became a manager, and carried on the tradition of favoritism/ disfavoritism based on nothing but personal likes and dislikes, because, well, that's how it was always done. In the meantime, the younger newer hires who came up in 'the system' and under favor of that manager are now entering into leadership roles themselves.

It can just propagate. And now it's an ingrained practice and expectation, despite it having very specific historical roots that are long-dead. How does one change that?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 6:11 PM

6STRINGJOKER


That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that.

Even with visions of their own demise in the not too distant future large corporations will continue the same bad practices that got them into that situation in the first place. Pay the peons nothing, no raises for even the top performers, no room for advancement, keeping current management in even though they're detrimental to the company at worst or completely ineffectual at best while not even considering rewarding any of the top performing low level employees for advancement, letting the property fall to shit, charging the same price as everybody else for most of your stuff while hiring just enough people to make the store barely run so customers can't find anybody to help them and when they do the employees are so overworked and agitated that it's terrible customer service..... etc.


The market will work that one out. The place I used to work for will just be a memory in a few years time, like Circuit City and Service Merchandise.

The problem with the cops is that they can't go anywhere. They're an integral part of modern society, and they know it. The only other option would be to privatize police forces, and I don't know about you, but I'm not too keen on Haliburton being let loose on the streets of my town as bad as the government police forces are today.

Something needs to be done before things continue to get out of hand though. I think some mass firings are a great first step.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 6:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I didn't notice it before, that Utah arrest and video were from July. But nothing was done by Police, City, Mayor, until after the video was released.

A lot more than Det Payne should be held to account.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 7:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
For the most part I agree. Cops need to be held to a higher standard than you sometimes see.

Doesn't it make you wonder though? It does me. What WOULD it take to turn a police department around? A hospital? A banking industry?

Where I work - I've been there long enough to see an ingrained culture set into stone, even when the original perpetrators are decades gone. There was an original team leader who was a lawsuit waiting to happen. But he had control of the most sophisticated instrumentation at the time, so anyone who came into his favor and wanted to continue to advance their careers, and anyone who hoped to be under his favor, just kind of shut up about what he would do to them and others. Even though he left fairly early, one budding young man who came up in 'the system' and under favor eventually became a manager, and carried on the tradition of favoritism/ disfavoritism based on nothing but personal likes and dislikes, because, well, that's how it was always done. In the meantime, the younger newer hires who came up in 'the system' and under favor of that manager are now entering into leadership roles themselves.

It can just propagate. And now it's an ingrained practice and expectation, despite it having very specific historical roots that are long-dead. How does one change that?

The corrupt cop problem is effectively instutionalized.
Cops are required to lie under oath, demanded by prosecutors - or else the court cases will be lost without habitual perjury by police officers.
Consider another thing. Ask a cop if they have ever seen a fellow officer do something illegal. It could be perjury, false arrest or malicious harrassment, falsification of report, framing a citizen, etc. If they say they've never ever have seen another officer do an illegal or dishonest act, then they are either hopelessly incompetent and unobservant, or they are lying themselves. They cannot answer truthfully, or they are crossing the Thin Blue Line, "betraying" a fellow officer by telling the truth. Once this dividing line is broached, further lying is habitually reinforced.

The corruption, perjury, and dishonesty are ingrained. Any cop not playing along will not survive the occupation for long.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 11:18 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I didn't notice it before, that Utah arrest and video were from July. But nothing was done by Police, City, Mayor, until after the video was released.

A lot more than Det Payne should be held to account.



Agreed. I'm tired of scapegoating to appease the public while business as usual continues unabated.


How long do you think that it will be before it will be illegal for civilians to take videos of anything outside of "designated video zones" to keep things like this from seeing the light of day?

I'm already uncomfortable knowing that anytime I leave the house every idiot with a cell phone could take a video of me doing anything, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way. I don't think it would be very hard for the government to protect its own interests in this way. All they'd have to do is show a few egregious invasions of privacy on the MSM and there will be new laws enacted that allow only government cameras to be used outside of these zones.

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Monday, September 4, 2017 11:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I didn't notice it before, that Utah arrest and video were from July. But nothing was done by Police, City, Mayor, until after the video was released.

A lot more than Det Payne should be held to account.

Agreed. I'm tired of scapegoating to appease the public while business as usual continues unabated.

How long do you think that it will be before it will be illegal for civilians to take videos of anything outside of "designated video zones" to keep things like this from seeing the light of day?

I'm already uncomfortable knowing that anytime I leave the house every idiot with a cell phone could take a video of me doing anything, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way. I don't think it would be very hard for the government to protect its own interests in this way. All they'd have to do is show a few egregious invasions of privacy on the MSM and there will be new laws enacted that allow only government cameras to be used outside of these zones.

Are you planning on watching Wisdom of the Crowd?

Cop "business as usual" depends upon when voters wake up. The same populace that bemoans that they don't pay attention to "politics" also whines about police without reins.
Cops have authorities controlling over them, chiefs, Commisioners, Mayors, City Councilmembers or Aldermen, at some point elected. When those elected cease to put up with corruption, it will end. As long as corruption is re-elected, it will continue.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

We even see the dynamic played out here, where people will gang up on individuals and subject them to protracted abuse as long as they think they can get away with it - and such people are often vehemently anti-Trump. Aren't they, SGG?


Real subtle pivot, but.......XXXX

She shoots at the buzzer..............AIR BALL!!!
Nice try, but no cigar.


SGG

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:11 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh --- you're pro-Trump? I didn't realize that.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:17 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The weird part was that it was captured from the dash cam of his patrol car.
Because of that, there is no way to call this 'fake' news, although there are those that will "pretzel" this. Pivot away boys and girls, pivot away.

By the way, I know that there are good and bad cops everywhere, I work with them in my community, and the good cops hate the fact that bad cops are a major pain in the ass. Also, they are a major stain on policing.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I agree, that was awful.

Quote:

Apparently the person they wanted blood from wasn't even a suspect in the crime they were investigating.


That's what I heard as well. WTF is wrong with these cops, this has been going on for some time now...black, white, brown - it doesn't matter, they still try to get away with murder.

Did you see the one about the cop who said to a white person, "Don't worry, we only kill black people." That cop handed in his retirement papers.


SGG






Seeing the caption for that video made me stay away from it. I felt sick just reading that. Well, I'm glad that he had sense enough to do that.


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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:24 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


That's not the point Rappy. She could have been purple, you don't say that...period!

If the cop were black and he said that about white people, there are some here who's head would explode and scream bloody murder. The thing is it's not right for anybody, no matter the color of their skin.

(Wait for it......3, 2, 1......Kiki dumb comment No. 6,666)


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
She's white, so it's not a story.

Were she black? Riots

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

How is it that a cop lies, defrauds in uniform, in the performance of his duties and responsibilities, and he is still employed in the same occupation, and testifying?
Are there so few applicants for cop jobs that this one can't be replaced?

This is a problem.



You've said a mouthful. And, like I said, good cops hate that bad cops get all the press making all cops look bad.


SGG

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:15 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

(Wait for it......3, 2, 1......Kiki dumb comment No. 6,666)
It's telling that you impugn people based on things they've never said. Goes to character. And yours is abusive and dishonest.

No wonder women leave you. And you never DID answer - did they get protections orders on the way out? I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn the answer is 'yes'.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:28 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you planning on watching Wisdom of the Crowd?



Never heard of it until just now. Piven is great. Looks interesting.

Quote:

Cop "business as usual" depends upon when voters wake up. The same populace that bemoans that they don't pay attention to "politics" also whines about police without reins.
Cops have authorities controlling over them, chiefs, Commisioners, Mayors, City Councilmembers or Aldermen, at some point elected. When those elected cease to put up with corruption, it will end. As long as corruption is re-elected, it will continue.



Well... that's just it. It's going to get a whole lot worse before anything gets better.

People don't wake up unless somebody wakes them up. I think what our government excels at is very slowly taking away rights and things we took for granted. They've learned from past mistakes, of our own government and of other governments in history.

Give us enough circus and cake to keep us busy while things are slowly stripped away one by one and you won't even notice that over time you're sitting in the same space you would be if you were ruled by somebody who just held you down with the iron fist overnight.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:32 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
No wonder women leave you.



Ugg.... What a "Wishy" thing to say.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 12:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Someone makes it personal and swings at me first - I'll swing back.

You don't start nothing - there won't be nothing.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 12:11 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Fair enough.

That sounded exactly like something Wish would say is all I was saying.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 12:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/05/health/nurse-arrested-police-protoco
l/index.html


After a tense encounter between a nurse and a police officer drew widespread outrage, a Utah hospital said its nurses will no longer be allowed to interact with law enforcement agents. ...
The new hospital protocol was announced Monday by Pearce, hospital leadership and the university's police chief during a news conference.
Instead of interacting with nurses, law enforcement officers will be directed to health supervisors "who are highly trained on rules and laws," and those interactions won't take place in patient care areas, officials said.
Payne and another officer have been placed on administrative leave pending the results of an investigation.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 12:18 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I think that's sound policy that should be implemented everywhere. There's so many privacy laws out there and differences between states and localities that even if a nurse thinks that they know the law they might not actually know the law in their locality. Let the nurses be nurses and let HR handle the administrative and legal shit.


Any word on if that administrative leave includes a paid vacation for the cop?

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I think that's sound policy that should be implemented everywhere. There's so many privacy laws out there and differences between states and localities that even if a nurse thinks that they know the law they might not actually know the law in their locality. Let the nurses be nurses and let HR handle the administrative and legal shit.


Any word on if that administrative leave includes a paid vacation for the cop?

Paid vacation depends upon the Union Contract. What do you think?

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

There's so many privacy laws out there and differences between states and localities
A serious flaw in our Constitution, for sure! We need a 'right to privacy' amendment, which would (theoretically at least protect) us from police intrusion (4th, 'search and seizure') AND intrusion by business, spooks, and individuals. Plus we need to get off of god-damn microsoft with its backdoors and vulnerabilities.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Paid vacation depends upon the Union Contract. What do you think?
It really depends. Some contracts allow you to keep collecting a paycheck until wrongdoing is proved, but if you're found at fault, that interim money (or specified portion thereof, depending on contract) has to be paid back. For example, if you're dismissed, all goes back. If you're administratively punished - 4 weeks off without pay - 4 weeks goes back.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:49 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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A serious flaw in our Constitution, for sure! We need a 'right to privacy' amendment, which would (theoretically at least protect) us from police intrusion (4th, 'search and seizure') AND intrusion by business, spooks, and individuals. Plus we need to get off of god-damn microsoft with its backdoors and vulnerabilities.



Agreed. All of it.

I've recently been forced into Linux because of a project I'm working on. Learning how to navigate things actually isn't too bad since I know a lot about DOS. I'm not a huge fan of the Linux frontend since it's too much like Mac, but the command line stuff isn't that bad once you learn the different language to make it do what you wanted it to do. Actually, it's quite a bit more powerful, and I'm kind of amazed at how much better it is.

There's also nothing nicer than plugging in any random thing into a USB drive and not needing a driver for it. I plugged in some off brand USB network thumb stick from well over a decade ago and it fired up without a hitch. I was dumbfounded.

Microsoft made a step in the right direction by making Windows 10 essentially free, but it's too little too late. In a year or two's time all of my PCs will be Linux based from now on.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
A serious flaw in our Constitution, for sure! We need a 'right to privacy' amendment, which would (theoretically at least protect) us from police intrusion (4th, 'search and seizure') AND intrusion by business, spooks, and individuals. Plus we need to get off of god-damn microsoft with its backdoors and vulnerabilities.

Agreed. All of it.

I've recently been forced into Linux because of a project I'm working on. Learning how to navigate things actually isn't too bad since I know a lot about DOS. I'm not a huge fan of the Linux frontend since it's too much like Mac, but the command line stuff isn't that bad once you learn the different language to make it do what you wanted it to do. Actually, it's quite a bit more powerful, and I'm kind of amazed at how much better it is.

There's also nothing nicer than plugging in any random thing into a USB drive and not needing a driver for it. I plugged in some off brand USB network thumb stick from well over a decade ago and it fired up without a hitch. I was dumbfounded.

Microsoft made a step in the right direction by making Windows 10 essentially free, but it's too little too late. In a year or two's time all of my PCs will be Linux based from now on.

Don't forget Ubuntu. And that can fit the entire software on an old USB - you can boot from USB and never load up the Windows Virus, or any other Micro$haft or iFruit defects.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:07 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I follow your lead oh great one. Attacking a person's character is more up your alley. So, now that completes the circle, as predicted. Abusive and dishonest, check. After all, you know everything as you have demonstrated...

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I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn the answer is 'yes'.


There's your answer, I know that anything I say you will ignore and continue your Deep State fantasy, as per usual. So continue with your sophomoric and moronic diatribe....I'm listening.


SGG



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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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(Wait for it......3, 2, 1......Kiki dumb comment No. 6,666)
It's telling that you impugn people based on things they've never said. Goes to character. And yours is abusive and dishonest.

No wonder women leave you. And you never DID answer - did they get protections orders on the way out? I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn the answer is 'yes'.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.


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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:21 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Don't forget Ubuntu. And that can fit the entire software on an old USB - you can boot from USB and never load up the Windows Virus, or any other Micro$haft or iFruit defects.



Yeah. I think Ubuntu will be the route I take when I go full Linux. I've used it from a stick, from a CD and in a VirtualBox console before. I've just never installed it yet.

I'm just not a huge fan of the layout that seems to be much more user-friendly to Mac people than Windows people. I suspect they went that way because of the hatered for Microsoft, but I really wish they hadn't. Windows, for all its faults and security flaws is actually pretty great. Well... At least Windows XP was. It's been a downhill slide since then when they decided to start dumbing it down for newbs and taking out some of the old great features of the product.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Don't forget Ubuntu. And that can fit the entire software on an old USB - you can boot from USB and never load up the Windows Virus, or any other Micro$haft or iFruit defects.

Yeah. I think Ubuntu will be the route I take when I go full Linux. I've used it from a stick, from a CD and in a VirtualBox console before. I've just never installed it yet.

I'm just not a huge fan of the layout that seems to be much more user-friendly to Mac people than Windows people. I suspect they went that way because of the hatered for Microsoft, but I really wish they hadn't. Windows, for all its faults and security flaws is actually pretty great. Well... At least Windows XP was. It's been a downhill slide since then when they decided to start dumbing it down for newbs and taking out some of the old great features of the product.

Macs have always been branded as computers for people who don't know how to use computers.
Micro$haft has been downhill since DOS. Even his DOS was a failed version of UNIX, which Lynux and Ubuntu are from.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SHITTY

Next time you post an abusive, unhinged rant, I'll remind you of your pathetic pretense at being a 'shiny good guy'. Deal?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 11, 2017 4:58 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You know something Keeks, "something personal" is when someone calls you a name or uses something from your personal life and snaps off a rather rude and ugly comment such as:

that crack about women leaving me.

That was personal, but that's what I mean about "dumb" remarks. We are all guilty of saying some dumb shit at different times in our life. I've said dumb things, sometimes I blurt shit out and sometimes I think on it and say "fuck it." Then I think some more and realize that maybe I went too far, it happens; we're human.

But I don't give a shit what you say because, simply put, you don't know me. And I don't know you. It's that simple. You could be the most wonderful human being on the planet, and I could be the most dangerous, nasty motherfucker there is. But neither you nor I know anything other than what we say here anonymously. I speak my piece here, as do you, and we all go back to our day to day; and that's that. I did not start this.

You have made several comments recently that have been personal and have impugned my character. Oftentimes, I think, it's due to the fact that I have disagreed with a statement/response you've made. You've have claimed, accused and insulted of a great many negative things directed towards me. Again, it doesn't matter because you can say whatever you like; it makes no never-mind to me. But to try and twist it and put it on me, well no, I don't accept that...not at all.

Saying that you say something dumb is not a "personal" attack. It is something that we ALL do at sometime or another.


SGG


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Someone makes it personal and swings at me first - I'll swing back.

You don't start nothing - there won't be nothing.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.


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Monday, September 11, 2017 5:03 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yeah, shitty indeed. Do whatever makes you happy.


SGG


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SHITTY

Next time you post an abusive, unhinged rant, I'll remind you of your pathetic pretense at being a 'shiny good guy'. Deal?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.


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Monday, September 11, 2017 5:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I saw something on the internet that stated that the FBI was primed to investigate the matter. Don't know if that will help.


SGG


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I didn't notice it before, that Utah arrest and video were from July. But nothing was done by Police, City, Mayor, until after the video was released.

A lot more than Det Payne should be held to account.


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Monday, September 11, 2017 5:18 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I do NOT attack people; I defend myself, just as you do. Read my response to Keeks, you'll see. If she wishes to continue being negative, fine. Me? I'm moving on.


SGG


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Fair enough.

That sounded exactly like something Wish would say is all I was saying.


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Monday, September 11, 2017 5:43 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I believe you. Me and Kiki get into it sometimes and I'll call her a dumbass and start swearing a bit and then she takes it to a personal level and tries to make me question my worth as a man. It's when she does that, that she shows just how similar to Wish she can be at times.

That's Feminism. What are you gonna do?

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:14 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Gotta be like a duck....let the "water" roll off your back. Here's the thing that I've come to accept. Nothing that any of us say is gonna actually change anyone's mind (not at this point anyway, we're all set in our ways).

But we do have every right to speak whatever we believe. We might try to point out something to one another that might make us go "Hmmmm, I didn't know that" or "I never looked at it that way," but generally we're gonna stick to our "guns" and keep on keeping on. It's a fact of life. We're all entitled to our opinion, regardless...we believe what we believe. That's why we're here and why we love Firefly, because it's about FREEDOM.

Sometimes people lash out because of frustration, I know I do, and it's nothing personal because you just wanna be heard and acknowledged. We might not agree on a lot of things, but at least we hear each other out. Like I said before, if I make a dickhead move and you call me on it, and, after calmly looking at it, I'll be the first to admit - "yeah, it was a dickhead move." But that's because we at least hear what the other has to say and give a little bit of respect in the process. So, we'll give each other a little leeway with the bonehead mistakes, or the occasional rant.

That I know of, I don't think we've ever made it personal toward each other. We've both been through enough shit, we don't need to pile more shit on top of it. It's not worth it.


SGG


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I believe you. Me and Kiki get into it sometimes and I'll call her a dumbass and start swearing a bit and then she takes it to a personal level and tries to make me question my worth as a man. It's when she does that, that she shows just how similar to Wish she can be at times.

That's Feminism. What are you gonna do?


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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:00 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Well... I'd like to think that I never got into it with you. Glad to hear you say it. Sigs says that even though I was an obnoxious drunk around these parts that I wasn't attacking anybody here. I honestly have just about zero memories of that time.

You and I have been through some similar shit and I think that's kind of humanized each other, at least for me I know it has. It's a shame that it takes something pretty big like that to make loose bonds like that in the ether.

I'm guessing that if Firefly gets rebooted and this site gets a huge bump in members and sticks around for another decade or so, there will come a time where we're on the same side of most issues. I'm not on the fringes, but more like on the sidelines. I've noticed a complete role reversal between the sides since my time here. I don't know what to think of that right now except for that it's quite interesting. I can't wrap my head around it. It's larger than me.



BTW... I don't know if you're still drinking SGG, but I can't recommend not doing it enough. I've just been getting so much more done with my time this year, the days pass much more slowly and don't look like the same day over and over in retrospect, and I've just become much more reliable in RL. I had become Mr. Maybe for a few years there, and the rare occasions anybody bothered to invite me to anything they were just doing it out of courtesy thinking there was just about a zero chance that I'd actually show up. My next step is to get a part time job so I can keep working on my project that I think I can turn into a separate revenue stream if I put the time and research into marketing it correctly.

I drink way too much coffee now, and I get pretty deep into my projects and loose myself in them for days at a time, but I'm able to pull myself out of that and spend time with the family and help them out when they need it now. I didn't need any religion or 12 step program, but I knew none of that was going to work for me so that was a good thing I didn't. If you're struggling with something, I hope you can find whatever it is that can help you get you away from it. I won't say that I'm this happy all the time guy now or any other BS, but there's no denying that I'm adding life to my years left without booze in them.

Do right, be right.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's the thing that I've come to accept. Nothing that any of us say is gonna actually change anyone's mind (not at this point anyway, we're all set in our ways).

SGG

That is a disappointing point of view that we cannot improve or learn through social intercourse. I'd hoped we were more advanced than that.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:14 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That is a disappointing point of view that we cannot improve or learn through social intercourse. I'd hoped we were more advanced than that.



Which part? Whole lot of things going on in that quote. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

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Friday, September 15, 2017 6:46 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Six,

This site is available to many here that need an outlet, a way of communicating so as to feel that they belong to something, anything and thereby giving their life importance. I understand that more than most, perhaps that's what you are feeling that is bigger than you. I am not going to pretend I know; I will not bullshit you. I don't go around pretending to know it all, that's not me.

I am a firm believer that each one of us has something to contribute, be it to friends or family, or to society in general. Sometimes it's through negative means, and sometimes through positive means; but we each contribute nonetheless. We all do our share. This community is a microcosm of that. Having said that, keep doing what you're doing. You're on the right track, well, I'd like to think so.

Bravo on your accomplishment of staying sober, by the way. It is something to be proud of. I know it ain't easy, but let me get one thing straight, and you'll see how what I said above is relevant. I am not a drunk, contrary to popular belief, this is a product of the evil twins making. I'm truly surprised that you would believe their incredibly insensitive and totally bogus bullshit. Something that Keeks and Sigs made up in their filthy little minds to discredit and impugn my character. This was their way of lashing out for whatever reason, well I do not know, other than this is how they get their kicks. I have some other theories, but I'll keep those to myself.

I do have a person, who is a close friend, who has gone through rehab over the years, so there's that. That is quite personal to me, but I ignore people of low caliber as a matter of course; especially ones that I don't know or care to know. I'm speaking, of course, of the two people here who don't have a soul. Who else would sling around such accusations without a care in the world, with little regard for the affect and personal impact it may produce as a result. I am proud of my friend, who, up until about 3 years ago, was a drunken steaming pile of misfortune. She's been clean and sober for 3 years now and looks and feels wonderful. Me, I had little to do with her recovery, she did this all on her own. I have let her know how proud I am of her, both publicly and privately. She is a new person.

I am not perfect. I have had my struggles throughout life, but I have managed to stay a step or two ahead of the curve. I'm not going to into my life here, it's not the appropriate venue. But I did want you to know that I am a human being. Well, you know the rest. I shit you not.

I follow my own path. I think for myself, and sometimes it rubs people the wrong way. Because generally people want you to conform to their way of thinking...for whatever reason. This goes especially for family as well as people you meet along the way. Take this country , for example, the pledge of allegiance...the national anthem, etc. Anyway, go get 'em, as the saying goes. Do your thing and don't look back. Really, I know that sounds cliché, but keep moving forward Six. Fuck everybody else (even me).............

Do right, Be right!

I am struggling with something, but I will be okay. I will find a way, I always do. I am walking the path.

Just go and do you. I don't give a fuck whether we agree or not. I'm just pulling for you, to be the way you see fit. Me? I'll do the same.


SGG

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Friday, September 15, 2017 4:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Sometimes people lash out because of frustration, I know I do, and it's nothing personal because you just wanna be heard and acknowledged.

I do NOT attack people; I defend myself, just as you do.




Shiny, this is you, in the span of a mere 3 weeks. No discussion, no facts, no debate, just full-on unprovoked attacking and trolling. And some complete raging incoherence thrown in. Yes, this is you, 'not' attacking people.




(So, getting rid of people you disagree with is the function of a 'Modern, intelligent society'?)
That's exactly what I said to those Nazis

Stay Tuned My Comrades!

This is what they know Wish. It's in the Putin/Kremlin playbook, it's under the Disinformation Chapter, right after the "Kiss My Ring Pledge" Chapter.
It's all the rage in Russia!

Me? Evidence....now why would I have evidence.




This is IT! This is the best you got? pity the fools...alas poor Euric, I knew him NOT!
Yeah, Birth Certificate...1 Accusations....0
And yet, I am to produce evidence. You see, the way it works is, hard evidence is dug out from under rocks where one finds the cockroaches that hid said evidence. And dig we must to rid our country, and the world over, of such heinous vermin that
will scatter from the light of day.
Scum and vermin tend to run when the cold hard light hits them as they proceed with their dirty deeds and infamous scratchings.
It's an excerpt from a book called: "Dirty Deeds, Done Dirt Cheap"




Oh, okay...the usual bullshit, deflect, deny and childish misinformation. Got it!

Here it is again...FUCK ALL OF YOU!!!

There's a song too: "Deflections Of" - Deflections of, the way life used to be...Deflections of, the life you took from me."
Catchy isn't it?




Remember: Don't Drink the Kool Aid, by James Jones and the Krypt Kicker 5
The Last Voice You Hear....Zoe, where are you when we need you?
It would take a Miracle Worker to find that evidence; Helen do be careful when going out to the well to fetch a bucket of water.
Let me introduce, my bloodhound partner in crime



Face it Keeks, you can't keep up!




Drunk!? Nah! Just more in tune with reality. You guys, the 3 Fuckateers, just love insulting people; and you can't come close to me. All you do is post crap links and profess that it is the end/all and be/all; pound your boney chests and proclaim victory.
Then once the drugs wear off, you bitch and moan when you, as I have stated many times, can't understand the words used in furtherance of the truth so far above you, that you mope stupefied, reticent to the point that your only response is to lash out. Like a petulant child, throwing a tantrum when
it doesn't get it's way.
No logic on earth, or in the heavens, can satisfy that need to always be right. It's a sickness with you 3. No, I only feel encouraged whenever you 3 hurl insults, and like puny mosquitoes, I swat them like the inconsequential insects that they are. Hell, most times I don't bother to swat. Feed off of me, then maybe, somehow through osmosis maybe you'll gain a modicum of breathable normalcy.
Now I know why Trump is the hero for you, it didn't take much for me to see the obvious connection...but, for some reason, I hesitated to reveal what was gnawing at me all along. You guys follow your soulless leader because, like him, narcissism courses through your veins. I pity you, because this is a lifelong illness; only years of therapy can help you to cope. Seek help.




I'm going to do the Keeks and Sigs thing, let's see how this works

Louie Gohmert isn't exactly playing with a full deck

Were you dropped on your head several times and fed mercury as a child?

(...like commie comedy)
Dude!..lol

You can't make this shit up any better, let's see our comrades 'Fake News' this.
I swear, if someone put this in a movie people would just say, "this is so dumb, who wrote this?"

(Braindead. Completely and utterly braindead...)
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! Jackpot.....what do we have for her Johnny!
A Brand new set of steak knives!





Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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