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Saturday, September 16, 2017 2:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



California lawmakers approve landmark 'sanctuary state' bill to expand protections for immigrants


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-sanctuary-state-b
ill-20170916-story.html#nt=oft06a-1la1


California lawmakers on Saturday passed a “sanctuary state” bill to protect immigrants without legal residency in the U.S., part of a broader push by Democrats to counter expanded deportation orders under the Trump administration.

The legislation by Sen. Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), the most far-reaching of its kind in the country, would limit state and local law enforcement communication with federal immigration authorities, and prevent officers from questioning and holding people on immigration violations.

After passionate debate in both houses of the Legislature, staunch opposition from Republican sheriffs and threats from Trump administration officials against sanctuary cities, Senate Bill 54 was approved Saturday with a 27-11 vote along party lines. But the bill sent to Gov. Jerry Brown drastically scaled back the version first introduced, the result of tough negotiations between Brown and De León in the final weeks of the legislative session.

The decision came hours after a federal judge in Chicago blocked the Trump administration's move to withhold Justice Department grant funds to discourage so-called sanctuary city policies.

On the Senate floor minutes before 2 a.m. on Saturday, De León said the changes were reasonable, and reflected a powerful compromise between law enforcement officials and advocates.

“These amendments do not mean to erode the core mission of this measure, which is to protect hardworking families that have contributed greatly to our culture and the economy,” he said. “This is a measure that reflects the values of who we are as a great state.”

Officially dubbed the “California Values Act,” the legislation initially would have prohibited state and local law enforcement agencies from using any resources to hold, question or share information about people with federal immigration agents, unless they had violent or serious criminal convictions.

After talks with Brown, amendments to the bill made this week would allow federal immigration authorities to keep working with state corrections officials and to continue entering county jails to question immigrants. The legislation would also permit police and sheriffs to share information and transfer people to immigration authorities if they have been convicted of one or more crimes from a list of 800 outlined in a previous law, the California Trust Act.

Some immigrant rights advocates who were previously disappointed with the list of offenses under the Trust Act, were dismayed to see the same exceptions applied in the so-called sanctuary state bill. The list includes many violent and serious crimes, as well as some nonviolent charges and “wobblers,” offenses that can be charged as a felony or misdemeanor, which advocates said has the potential to ensnare people who do not pose a danger to the public.

But immigrant rights groups did not withdraw their support for Senate Bill 54 and also won some concessions. Under the additions to the bill, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation would have to develop new standards to protect people held on immigration violations, and to allow immigrant inmates to receive credits toward their sentences serviced if they undergo rehabilitation and educational programs while incarcerated.

The state attorney general’s office would have to develop recommendations that limit immigration agents' access to personal information. The attorney general also has broad authority under the state constitution to ensure that police and sheriffs agencies follow SB 54’s provisions should it be signed into law.

The compromise helped draw support for the bill from Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount), and moved the California Police Chiefs Assn.’s official position from opposed to neutral. The California Sheriffs Assn. remained opposed.

In their respective chambers on Friday, at least 20 members of the Assembly and six members of the Senate took the floor for debate on the bill, voicing complex stances on illegal immigration, federalism and the diversity of families in California.

Assemblyman Steven Choi (R-Irvine), a first-generation immigrant from South Korea, argued that he came to the U.S. legally and said the bill created “chaos” for a country built on law and order.

Others pointed to the opposition from sheriffs organizations, saying SB 54 tied officers’ hands, allowing serial thieves, chronic drug abusers and gang members to slip through the cracks. Supporters countered the Trump administration was trying to paint all immigrants in the country illegally as criminals.

They pointed to provisions in the bill that would make hospitals, schools and courthouses safe zones for immigrants from federal immigration authorities at a time of fear for some communities.

“We are ironically ending this session the way we started, talking about protecting the most vulnerable among us,” Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) said.

De León introduced SB 54 on what was an unusually acrimonious first day of the 2017 legislative session, as lawmakers in both chambers were locked in bitter debate over the still newly elected President Trump.

It was at the center of a legislative package filed by Democrats in an attempt to protect more than 2.3 million people living in the state illegally. Other legislative proposals and budget deals have expanded workplace protections against raids from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and increased legal defense services for immigrants facing deportation and financial aid for students without legal residency.

Senate Bill 54 received national attention as the U.S. Department of Justice pledged to slash government grants for law enforcement from any so-called sanctuary cities, which limit the collaboration between local and federal authorities on immigration enforcement.

At the request of the California Senate, former U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H Holder Jr. reviewed the bill and said it passed constitutional muster, adding that the states “have the power over the health and safety of their residents and allocation of state resources.”

Still, debate raged on and divided even law enforcement officials and associations. In Los Angeles, Police Chief Charlie Beck voiced his support, while L.A. County Sheriff Jim McDonnell was a vocal opponent.

In a statement Saturday, McDonnell said the final version of the bill “reflects law enforcement mission already underway.”

On Friday, lawmakers said some children without legal status were too afraid to go to school, while police statistics showed a drop in reports of sexual assault and domestic violence as immigrant victims refused to come forward.

Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia (D-Bell Gardens) said the era was reminiscent of the 1980s, when her father dreaded immigration raids.

“We are not living in a hypothetical fear,” she said. “That fear is a reality.”

jazmine.ulloa@latimes.com

@jazmineulloa



UPDATES:

10:40 a.m.: This article was updated with additional details about a federal court order against the Trump administration and reaction from Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell.

This article was originally published at 3:40 a.m.

Copyright © 2017, Los Angeles Times

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 5:07 PM

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California Criminal Colony.

How many non-criminals will want to keep their families getting murdered by their neighbors?

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
California Criminal Colony.

How many non-criminals will want to keep their families getting murdered by their neighbors?

A bill passed by the state legislature Friday requires Trump to release his five most recent years of tax returns to get on the ballot in 2020. California's Democratic governor, Jerry Brown, hasn't said whether he'll sign the bill. Brown is the first governor of the Golden State in more than 30 years to not release his tax returns as well.

www.cnn.com/2017/09/16/politics/california-legislature-trump-tax-retur
ns/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If you want to oppose federal immigration measures, I can see limiting what your law enforcement does. Just as you wouldn't expect federal immigration officers to enforce state and local laws, why should you expect state and local officers to enforce federal immigration law.

But the measures passed by the state go far beyond drawing lines between who does what.

They actually aid - and abet - illegal immigrants beyond what mere citizens can expect.
Quote:


California lawmakers approve landmark 'sanctuary state' bill to expand protections for immigrants


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-sanctuary-state-b
ill-20170916-story.html#nt=oft06a-1la1


California lawmakers on Saturday passed a “sanctuary state” bill to protect immigrants without legal residency in the U.S., part of a broader push by Democrats to counter expanded deportation orders under the Trump administration.

The legislation by Sen. Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), the most far-reaching of its kind in the country, would limit state and local law enforcement communication with federal immigration authorities, and prevent officers from questioning and holding people on immigration violations.

After passionate debate in both houses of the Legislature, staunch opposition from Republican sheriffs and threats from Trump administration officials against sanctuary cities, Senate Bill 54 was approved Saturday with a 27-11 vote along party lines. But the bill sent to Gov. Jerry Brown drastically scaled back the version first introduced, the result of tough negotiations between Brown and De León in the final weeks of the legislative session.

The decision came hours after a federal judge in Chicago blocked the Trump administration's move to withhold Justice Department grant funds to discourage so-called sanctuary city policies.

On the Senate floor minutes before 2 a.m. on Saturday, De León said the changes were reasonable, and reflected a powerful compromise between law enforcement officials and advocates.

“These amendments do not mean to erode the core mission of this measure, which is to protect hardworking families that have contributed greatly to our culture and the economy,” he said. “This is a measure that reflects the values of who we are as a great state.”

Officially dubbed the “California Values Act,” the legislation initially would have prohibited state and local law enforcement agencies from using any resources to hold, question or share information about people with federal immigration agents, unless they had violent or serious criminal convictions.

After talks with Brown, amendments to the bill made this week would allow federal immigration authorities to keep working with state corrections officials and to continue entering county jails to question immigrants. The legislation would also permit police and sheriffs to share information and transfer people to immigration authorities if they have been convicted of one or more crimes from a list of 800 outlined in a previous law, the California Trust Act.

Some immigrant rights advocates who were previously disappointed with the list of offenses under the Trust Act, were dismayed to see the same exceptions applied in the so-called sanctuary state bill. The list includes many violent and serious crimes, as well as some nonviolent charges and “wobblers,” offenses that can be charged as a felony or misdemeanor, which advocates said has the potential to ensnare people who do not pose a danger to the public.

But immigrant rights groups did not withdraw their support for Senate Bill 54 and also won some concessions. Under the additions to the bill, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation would have to develop new standards to protect people held on immigration violations, and to allow immigrant inmates to receive credits toward their sentences serviced if they undergo rehabilitation and educational programs while incarcerated.

The state attorney general’s office would have to develop recommendations that limit immigration agents' access to personal information. The attorney general also has broad authority under the state constitution to ensure that police and sheriffs agencies follow SB 54’s provisions should it be signed into law.

The compromise helped draw support for the bill from Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount), and moved the California Police Chiefs Assn.’s official position from opposed to neutral. The California Sheriffs Assn. remained opposed.

In their respective chambers on Friday, at least 20 members of the Assembly and six members of the Senate took the floor for debate on the bill, voicing complex stances on illegal immigration, federalism and the diversity of families in California.

Assemblyman Steven Choi (R-Irvine), a first-generation immigrant from South Korea, argued that he came to the U.S. legally and said the bill created “chaos” for a country built on law and order.

Others pointed to the opposition from sheriffs organizations, saying SB 54 tied officers’ hands, allowing serial thieves, chronic drug abusers and gang members to slip through the cracks. Supporters countered the Trump administration was trying to paint all immigrants in the country illegally as criminals.

They pointed to provisions in the bill that would make hospitals, schools and courthouses safe zones for immigrants from federal immigration authorities at a time of fear for some communities.

“We are ironically ending this session the way we started, talking about protecting the most vulnerable among us,” Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) said.

De León introduced SB 54 on what was an unusually acrimonious first day of the 2017 legislative session, as lawmakers in both chambers were locked in bitter debate over the still newly elected President Trump.

It was at the center of a legislative package filed by Democrats in an attempt to protect more than 2.3 million people living in the state illegally. Other legislative proposals and budget deals have expanded workplace protections against raids from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and increased legal defense services for immigrants facing deportation and financial aid for students without legal residency.

Senate Bill 54 received national attention as the U.S. Department of Justice pledged to slash government grants for law enforcement from any so-called sanctuary cities, which limit the collaboration between local and federal authorities on immigration enforcement.

At the request of the California Senate, former U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H Holder Jr. reviewed the bill and said it passed constitutional muster, adding that the states “have the power over the health and safety of their residents and allocation of state resources.”

Still, debate raged on and divided even law enforcement officials and associations. In Los Angeles, Police Chief Charlie Beck voiced his support, while L.A. County Sheriff Jim McDonnell was a vocal opponent.

In a statement Saturday, McDonnell said the final version of the bill “reflects law enforcement mission already underway.”

On Friday, lawmakers said some children without legal status were too afraid to go to school, while police statistics showed a drop in reports of sexual assault and domestic violence as immigrant victims refused to come forward.

Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia (D-Bell Gardens) said the era was reminiscent of the 1980s, when her father dreaded immigration raids.

“We are not living in a hypothetical fear,” she said. “That fear is a reality.”

jazmine.ulloa@latimes.com

@jazmineulloa



UPDATES:

10:40 a.m.: This article was updated with additional details about a federal court order against the Trump administration and reaction from Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell.

This article was originally published at 3:40 a.m.

Copyright © 2017, Los Angeles Times






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:46 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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California lawmakers approve landmark 'sanctuary state' bill to expand protections for immigrants

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-sanctuary-state-b
ill-20170916-story.html#nt=oft06a-1la1


California lawmakers on Saturday passed a “sanctuary state” bill to protect immigrants without legal residency in the U.S., part of a broader push by Democrats to counter expanded deportation orders under the Trump administration.

The legislation by Sen. Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), the most far-reaching of its kind in the country, would limit state and local law enforcement communication with federal immigration authorities, and prevent officers from questioning and holding people on immigration violations.

After passionate debate in both houses of the Legislature, staunch opposition from Republican sheriffs and threats from Trump administration officials against sanctuary cities, Senate Bill 54 was approved Saturday with a 27-11 vote along party lines. But the bill sent to Gov. Jerry Brown drastically scaled back the version first introduced, the result of tough negotiations between Brown and De León in the final weeks of the legislative session.

The decision came hours after a federal judge in Chicago blocked the Trump administration's move to withhold Justice Department grant funds to discourage so-called sanctuary city policies.

On the Senate floor minutes before 2 a.m. on Saturday, De León said the changes were reasonable, and reflected a powerful compromise between law enforcement officials and advocates.

“These amendments do not mean to erode the core mission of this measure, which is to protect hardworking families that have contributed greatly to our culture and the economy,” he said. “This is a measure that reflects the values of who we are as a great state.”

Officially dubbed the “California Values Act,” the legislation initially would have prohibited state and local law enforcement agencies from using any resources to hold, question or share information about people with federal immigration agents, unless they had violent or serious criminal convictions.

After talks with Brown, amendments to the bill made this week would allow federal immigration authorities to keep working with state corrections officials and to continue entering county jails to question immigrants. The legislation would also permit police and sheriffs to share information and transfer people to immigration authorities if they have been convicted of one or more crimes from a list of 800 outlined in a previous law, the California Trust Act.

Some immigrant rights advocates who were previously disappointed with the list of offenses under the Trust Act, were dismayed to see the same exceptions applied in the so-called sanctuary state bill. The list includes many violent and serious crimes, as well as some nonviolent charges and “wobblers,” offenses that can be charged as a felony or misdemeanor, which advocates said has the potential to ensnare people who do not pose a danger to the public.

But immigrant rights groups did not withdraw their support for Senate Bill 54 and also won some concessions. Under the additions to the bill, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation would have to develop new standards to protect people held on immigration violations, and to allow immigrant inmates to receive credits toward their sentences serviced if they undergo rehabilitation and educational programs while incarcerated.

The state attorney general’s office would have to develop recommendations that limit immigration agents' access to personal information. The attorney general also has broad authority under the state constitution to ensure that police and sheriffs agencies follow SB 54’s provisions should it be signed into law.

The compromise helped draw support for the bill from Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount), and moved the California Police Chiefs Assn.’s official position from opposed to neutral. The California Sheriffs Assn. remained opposed.

In their respective chambers on Friday, at least 20 members of the Assembly and six members of the Senate took the floor for debate on the bill, voicing complex stances on illegal immigration, federalism and the diversity of families in California.

Assemblyman Steven Choi (R-Irvine), a first-generation immigrant from South Korea, argued that he came to the U.S. legally and said the bill created “chaos” for a country built on law and order.

Others pointed to the opposition from sheriffs organizations, saying SB 54 tied officers’ hands, allowing serial thieves, chronic drug abusers and gang members to slip through the cracks. Supporters countered the Trump administration was trying to paint all immigrants in the country illegally as criminals.

They pointed to provisions in the bill that would make hospitals, schools and courthouses safe zones for immigrants from federal immigration authorities at a time of fear for some communities.

“We are ironically ending this session the way we started, talking about protecting the most vulnerable among us,” Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) said.

De León introduced SB 54 on what was an unusually acrimonious first day of the 2017 legislative session, as lawmakers in both chambers were locked in bitter debate over the still newly elected President Trump.

It was at the center of a legislative package filed by Democrats in an attempt to protect more than 2.3 million people living in the state illegally. Other legislative proposals and budget deals have expanded workplace protections against raids from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and increased legal defense services for immigrants facing deportation and financial aid for students without legal residency.

Senate Bill 54 received national attention as the U.S. Department of Justice pledged to slash government grants for law enforcement from any so-called sanctuary cities, which limit the collaboration between local and federal authorities on immigration enforcement.

At the request of the California Senate, former U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H Holder Jr. reviewed the bill and said it passed constitutional muster, adding that the states “have the power over the health and safety of their residents and allocation of state resources.”

Still, debate raged on and divided even law enforcement officials and associations. In Los Angeles, Police Chief Charlie Beck voiced his support, while L.A. County Sheriff Jim McDonnell was a vocal opponent.

In a statement Saturday, McDonnell said the final version of the bill “reflects law enforcement mission already underway.”

On Friday, lawmakers said some children without legal status were too afraid to go to school, while police statistics showed a drop in reports of sexual assault and domestic violence as immigrant victims refused to come forward.

Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia (D-Bell Gardens) said the era was reminiscent of the 1980s, when her father dreaded immigration raids.

“We are not living in a hypothetical fear,” she said. “That fear is a reality.”

jazmine.ulloa@latimes.com

@jazmineulloa


UPDATES:
10:40 a.m.: This article was updated with additional details about a federal court order against the Trump administration and reaction from Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell.

This article was originally published at 3:40 a.m.
Copyright © 2017, Los Angeles Times


Why repost without anything new, merely changing color of meaninless terms?

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I added more to my post - I post in stages to help me track formatting. The change in font color highlights the things I paid specific attention to.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:01 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Assemblyman Steven Choi (R-Irvine), a first-generation immigrant from South Korea, argued that he came to the U.S. legally and said the bill created “chaos” for a country built on law and order.
Every single legal immigrant that I have spoken to has been against amnesty for illegal immigrants, and voted for Trump for that reason, and that includes every educated female nonwhite professional who, demographically -speaking, should have voted for Hillary.

Feeling against this in the legal immigrant population is very deep.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
California Criminal Colony.

How many non-criminals will want to keep their families getting murdered by their neighbors?

A bill passed by the state legislature Friday requires Trump to release his five most recent years of tax returns to get on the ballot in 2020.

Ooooooooooooo. Big Whoop.
Not having CA as a viable pool of Electoral Votes will really make a difference in Presidential Elections - as long as you are a gullible Libtard.

Perhaps if the same law could be passed in NY, IL, NJ, WA, MA, MD, CT, VT, HI, RI, DE, and D.C. it would be equally inconsequential.


Obviously no purpose to this waste of time beyond grandstanding.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If signed it does become CA law. Maybe that's no big deal to you. As a Californian, it's a big deal to me. I personally resent my $$ going to coddle illegal aliens. Yanno - what part of illegal do people not understand?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:17 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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If signed it does become CA law. Maybe that's no big deal to you. As a Californian, it's a big deal to me. I personally resent my $$ going to coddle illegal aliens. Yanno - what part of illegal do people not understand?

Sorry for any confusion.
My reply was directly to the post about Trump not getting on the CA election ballot.

What do you think would be the most effective, or effective at all, measures that the Feds can do to straighten out the dictators of CA abusing American Citizens in CA, or withhold Fed funding of CA until laws can be abided?

When I lived in SoCal I was amazed that the idiots surrounding me every day were actually allowed to vote.


I was wondering if your use of "Landmark" in the title was intended to be "Laughingstock" instead.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:28 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


CA is beyond reason at this point. So many people have bought into the 'victim of the month' meme. They think that their victimhood is 'special'.

But we're ALL victims. This is a society built on injustice, on fracturing the many so they don't stand against the few.

What we need isn't a picking apart of our differences, but a coming together of our commonality.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 7:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
If signed it does become CA law. Maybe that's no big deal to you. As a Californian, it's a big deal to me. I personally resent my $$ going to coddle illegal aliens. Yanno - what part of illegal do people not understand?

Trump’s decision to kill DACA — never mind the attempt to obscure things with that meaningless delay — is, first and foremost, a moral obscenity: throwing out 800,000 young people who are Americans in every way that matters, who have done nothing wrong, basically for racial reasons. But it’s also worth noting that Jeff Sessions just tried to sell it with junk economics, claiming that the Dreamers are taking American jobs. No, they aren’t, even if we leave aside the question of who’s an American. DACA is very much a boon to the rest of the U.S. population, and killing it will make everyone worse off.

To see why, first note that whatever you think about the economics of less-educated immigrants — most of the evidence suggests that they don’t depress wages, but that’s another discussion — none of it applies to DREAMers. . . .

There is no upside whatever to this cruelty, unless you just want to have fewer people with brown skin and Hispanic surnames around. Which is, of course, what this is really all about.
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/the-very-bad-economics-of
-killing-daca
/

I checked just now: Republicans are Happy Trump ended DACA, but they're less sure about deporting DREAMers. That suggests "illegal alien" is a fluid concept with them.
www.npr.org/2017/09/17/551392700/republicans-are-happy-trump-ended-dac
a-they-re-less-sure-about-deporting-dreamer


Trump says Jump. His Supporters ask, How high? In the Trump era, Republicans have been revising their views on right and wrong. Are their moral convictions writ in stone? Apparently not.
www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/opinion/trump-republicans.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If signed it does become CA law. Maybe that's no big deal to you. As a Californian, it's a big deal to me. I personally resent my $$ going to coddle illegal aliens. Yanno - what part of illegal do people not understand?

Trump’s decision to kill DACA — never mind the attempt to obscure things with that meaningless delay — is, first and foremost, a moral obscenity: throwing out 800,000 young people who are Americans in every way that matters,

meaning that American Citizenship doesn't matter - what a surprise coming from supporters of our first Kenyan President!
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who have done nothing wrong,
except, of course, break our laws, commit illegal acts
Quote:

basically for racial reasons.
have not seen any racial basis - which races are defined in legislation or EO?
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But it’s also worth noting that Jeff Sessions just tried to sell it with junk economics, claiming that the Dreamers are taking American jobs. No, they aren’t, even if we leave aside the question of who’s an American. DACA is very much a boon to the rest of the U.S. population
snort
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There is no upside whatever to this cruelty, unless you just want to have fewer people with brown skin and Hispanic surnames around. Which is, of course, what this is really all about.
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/blahblahblah

I checked just now: Republicans are Happy Trump ended DACA, but they're less sure about deporting DREAMers.
Source: NPR.blahblahblah

Trump says Jump. His Supporters ask, How high? In the Trump era, Republicans have been revising their views on right and wrong. Are their moral convictions writ in stone? Apparently not.
www.nytimes.com/blahblah

What does DACA have to do with CA seceding from the Union? You think it stands for Dimwit Activists in CAlifornia?

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:43 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I find it funny that the same people that call those who would have ceded from the union many years ago traitors are the same people who support anybody in California who talks about it.

Hypocrisy much?

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:11 PM

RIVERLOVE


When Arizona passed its own immigration laws Obama's Justice Dept. sued and shut it down. The courts said only the Federal Govt. has the authority to legislate about immigration. Will Trump's Justice Dept. now do the same to California? Hell no! They're all wimps and idiots in DC now.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 4:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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throwing out 800,000 young people who are Americans in every way that matters
except legally. There's that little matter of the law.
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even if we leave aside the question of who’s an American
Citizens are Americans.
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There is no upside whatever to this
except establishing the rule of law.
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unless you just want to have fewer people with brown skin and Hispanic surnames around
Unless you want to give a break to illegal Vietnamese, Cambodians, Nigerians, Chinese, and so on. Why should only brown-skinned people with Hispanic surnames be exempted from the law? Are you hoping to impose even MORE discrimination?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:35 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Bingo

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Monday, September 18, 2017 9:37 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican. What caused you to flip on fireflyfans.net? There is a story there you are not telling. I'd expect it from 6string because he is made of prototypical Republican stuff (angry about foreigners, angry at bosses, angry that libtards don't respect his whiteness) but what is your socioeconomic motivation? And don't give me this crap about "legal" because immigration laws are made to satisfy some primitive nativism yearnings, not technical reasons.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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throwing out 800,000 young people who are Americans in every way that matters
except legally. There's that little matter of the law.
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even if we leave aside the question of who’s an American
Citizens are Americans.
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There is no upside whatever to this
except establishing the rule of law.
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unless you just want to have fewer people with brown skin and Hispanic surnames around
Unless you want to give a break to illegal Vietnamese, Cambodians, Nigerians, Chinese, and so on. Why should only brown-skinned people with Hispanic surnames be exempted from the law? Are you hoping to impose even MORE discrimination?


There is an opinion worth a two minute reading: "In a society too short of common goals, identity politics are an imperfect answer"
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/16/no-common-goals-fragment
ed-society-identity-politics

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Monday, September 18, 2017 10:18 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Take a hike, trust fund baby.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 10:25 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Take a hike, trust fund baby.

You ain't philosopher Henry David Thoreau living in a self-built cabin on your own personal Walden Pond when you isolate yourself in your fully-paid-for house. There is an opinion piece worth a two minute reading: "In a society too short of common goals, identity politics are an imperfect answer"
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/16/no-common-goals-fragment
ed-society-identity-politics


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 18, 2017 10:29 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Take a hike, trust fund baby.

You ain't philosopher Henry David Thoreau living in a self-built cabin on your own personal Walden Pond when you isolate yourself in your fully-paid-for house. There is an opinion piece worth a two minute reading: "In a society too short of common goals, identity politics are an imperfect answer"
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/16/no-common-goals-fragment
ed-society-identity-politics


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I am whatever I want to be, and as long as I pay my taxes and keep up my property I'm more free to do what I want than almost anybody living in this country.

That being said, I was actually just reading it.

Good on Liberals for trying to sort that out. Identity Politics is poison.

Rather than playing the blame game about it, they should figure out how to un-indoctrinate all of the kids who had it ingrained in their brain at Liberal colleges for the last 20 years. That's a huge job that I don't have a solution for. I didn't have anything to do with it though, so you people can figure it out.


You broke it, you bought it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 11:14 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Rather than playing the blame game about it, they should figure out how to un-indoctrinate all of the kids who had it ingrained in their brain at Liberal colleges for the last 20 years. That's a huge job that I don't have a solution for. I didn't have anything to do with it though, so you people can figure it out.


You broke it, you bought it.


You really can't blame colleges for libtard indoctrination. Long before heading off to college these kids get a steady barrage of it all their lives. It's way too late to do anything about it now. The Culture War is long over.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican.
Well, I'm not a republican.

But why do you say that? Is it because I think identity politics is a means of dividing people instead of bringing them together? Because I think we have a more common identity based on class rather than sliced and diced multiple identities based on pick a selection in any of the categories race, creed, sex, sexual identity, tribe, age, culture ... ? Because I think BOTH democrats AND republicans are playing different versions of divide-and-conquer?

Is that why?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:10 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Gotta love the term "Dreamers". "Hope & Change", anybody?

Democrats are so much better at the divide and conquer game than the Republicans are.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 1:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


PS

Perhaps you don't remember, SECOND, but I had a prescription for democratic identity politics - the FAIR DEAL. Everyone gets a fair deal. It doesn't matter what your pick-a-part identity is. You get the same opportunities as everyone else.

And that also includes reshaping our policies and our economy so that jobs aren't off-shored and manufacturing isn't hollowed out. Because our current economy isn't fair to Americans. To be a FAIR DEAL, it has to be applied equally, and also - FAIR. And what is fair? That people who work have a living wage so that they can reliably afford housing, food, transportation, education, and medical care.

As for 'immigration laws' - EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEM, SECOND. We are NOT citizens of the world, free too alight wherever the breeze takes us. If you don't believe that, try going to live in Canada, or New Zealand. You'll find their laws and enforcement are far tougher than ours.

Our problem, as I posted earlier, is that we didn't enforce ours for decades, out of abundant concern for profit margins. It had nothing to do with their rights to be here illegally, because those rights don't exist.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, September 18, 2017 2:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by second:
What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican.- SECOND

What happened to you, SECOND? Last year you were an idiot. This year you're a ... oh, nevermind.

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What caused you to flip on fireflyfans.net? There is a story there you are not telling. I'd expect it from 6string because he is made of prototypical Republican stuff (angry about foreigners, angry at bosses, angry that libtards don't respect his whiteness) but what is your socioeconomic motivation? And don't give me this crap about "legal" because immigration laws are made to satisfy some primitive nativism yearnings, not technical reasons.
KIKI is telling a story; the problem is, you're not listening to it. If you were, you wouldn't be asking these questions and insinuating secret motives.

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Righto. Laws change, hopefully they get better, wiser as our society matures. Mixed race and same sex marriages were against the law and now they are not. It always seemed stupid and backward to me that there ever were those laws.- G
True.

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Taking care of the DACA people or any immigrants that are here now
You're conflating DACA with "any other immigrants". The reasons for DACA don't apply elsewhere.
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regardless of color or country of origin, especially because they are here in large part due to our broken immigration laws and process
Bullshit. People are here because of poverty and violence in their own countries. The USA represents a relative haven of prosperity and stability. If we want to reduce immigration, we need to reduce the causes of poverty and instability elsewhere, by - among other things- not allowing transnational corporations to screw everyone to the wall via "free trade" agreements, and not interfering in other nations' internal governments on behalf of banks, transnationals, local elites/ military juntas.

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Fix the laws going forward
Fix the laws now. End birthright citizenship. Make English the official language. Withdraw from "free trade" agreements which impoverish ordinary people at both ends of the trade. Reduce the 120-some-odd visa categories to something like 10, and develop a system that will allow Immigration to track those who overstay their welcome. Pass a Joint Resolution swearing off constantly meddling in other nations' internal affairs.

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and take care of these people now - let's be Big about it and not miserly like old man Trump/Potter. And if you DO want to be Trump/Potter, then think of all the tax revenue we get from them and the money we'd save!-
I think we should continue to enforce immigration laws, focusing on deporting those who break our laws (aside from immigration laws) first.

Once the other policy changes are in place, I'd give everyone who had lived here crime-free for more than 20 years an application for citizenship (but take our English-language requirement a lot more seriously than we seem to!). Everyone else gets a two-year visa to settle their affairs and transition back to their home country.



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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican. What caused you to flip on fireflyfans.net? There is a story there you are not telling. And don't give me this crap about "legal" because immigration laws are made to satisfy some primitive nativism yearnings, not technical reasons.

Righto. Laws change, hopefully they get better, wiser as our society matures.

So that's why laws have gotten so much worse. With society magnifying immaturity for most of the 90s and the past 8 years, we can only hope it can start maturing again - how tweeterhound Trump could do that is a mystery.
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Mixed race and same sex marriages were against the law and now they are not. It always seemed stupid and backward to me that there ever were those laws.

Taking care of the DACA people or any immigrants that are here now, regardless of color or country of origin, especially because they are here in large part due to our broken immigration laws and process, is the right thing to do. Fix the laws going forward and take care of these people now - let's be Big about it and not miserly like old man Trump/Potter. And if you DO want to be Trump/Potter, then think of all the tax revenue we get from them and the money we'd save! You could build a wall with it! < / snark >

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/09/07/the-mind-boggling-cos
t-of-daca-repeal
/

"Deportation of Dreamers will mean reduced productivity and reduced tax revenue at the federal, state and local levels. According to a 2017 study from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, Dreamers pay as much as $2 billion annually in taxes."

"Finally, the administrative and functional costs of deporting Dreamers would be staggering. As we have written previously, the average cost to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) from arrest to removal of an undocumented individual is $12,500. Deporting the approximately 800,000 Dreamers would cost the government nearly $10 billion."

$2 B in taxes from 800K is about $1,200 per YEAR per Dreamer. I used to get Tax REFUNDS more than that every year, as did many honest working legal American Citizens. ICE alone was over $6B five years ago. $2B doesn't even pay for the costs of incarceration for their crimes, let alone restitution or drain of the subsidies, welfare, medicare, other expenses.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:38 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
PS

Perhaps you don't remember, SECOND, but I had a prescription for democratic identity politics - the FAIR DEAL. Everyone gets a fair deal. It doesn't matter what your pick-a-part identity is. You get the same opportunities as everyone else.


As for 'immigration laws' - EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEM, SECOND. We are NOT citizens of the world, free too alight wherever the breeze takes us. If you don't believe that, try going to live in Canada, or New Zealand. You'll find their laws and enforcement are far tougher than ours.

Our problem, as I posted earlier, is that we didn't enforce ours for decades, out of abundant concern for profit margins.

Profit margins had no bearing on Tedward Kennedy's master plan to flood the borders with illegal future Democrap voters - it was only to subvert the Constitutional Electorate.
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It had nothing to do with their rights to be here illegally, because those rights don't exist.

How did I manage to forget that children aged 18, 19, and 20 were not allowed to vote until 1971?
Republicans gave uneducated Blacks the Right to Vote.
Republicans gave women the Right to Vote.
So then Democraps had to rebalance the scale.
And then Motor Voter.
And then Illegal Alien Voting.
So why has there been no Amendment to allow any Public Schools Indoctrinated student the right to vote?

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:45 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So why has there been no Amendment to allow any Public Schools Indoctrinated student the right to vote?




I was about to say "just you wait", but then I thought a little more about it and I don't think we'll ever see that.

The system wants to coddle children. To raise them in a bubble where they can put whatever ideas they desire in their heads while both of their parents are wage slaves all day long.

I know that I had absolutely no interest in politics when I was a kid, and even though I didn't go to college I didn't even really have any political opinions until I had been out on my own for a few years.

They've already passed laws that allow college bound children to be kept on their parents health insurance until they graduate years ago. There is all of this talk of "free" college all of the time. 4 more years of indoctrination which would only be intensified when the federal government is "paying" for it all.



I actually wonder if the voting age might increase to 22 or 23 one day, but also with the requirement that if you were born after a certain date that you can only vote if you graduated college.

Of course that would be considered racist still today, but in a US where every kid can go to college no matter what their scores were, without having to pay a dime for it... when nobody could rightfully claim that certain groups have a disadvantage anymore...?



I'm not saying that it will happen, so I don't want KPO to be putting this in the predictions thread. I'm just throwing out the idea. It would certainly be a means to homogenize the vote.


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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So why has there been no Amendment to allow any Public Schools Indoctrinated student the right to vote?

The system wants to coddle children. To raise them in a bubble where they can put whatever ideas they desire in their heads while both of their parents are wage slaves all day long.

There is all of this talk of "free" college all of the time. 4 more years of indoctrination which would only be intensified when the federal government is "paying" for it all.



I actually wonder if the voting age might increase to 22 or 23 one day, but also with the requirement that if you were born after a certain date that you can only vote if you graduated college.

Of course that would be considered racist still today, but in a US where every kid can go to college no matter what their scores were, without having to pay a dime for it... when nobody could rightfully claim that certain groups have a disadvantage anymore...?

I'm not saying that it will happen, so I don't want KPO to be putting this in the predictions thread. I'm just throwing out the idea. It would certainly be a means to homogenize the vote.

That must be the most insipid idea I've heard in a very long time. Not sure if I've ever even heard it before, even from the most rabidly clueless Libtards.

I would support the opposite concept, beautifully outlined by Heinlein. No voting rights until you've served in the military. IIRC, no citizenship until earned by that service, either. So no holding Federal Public Office, either.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:09 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That must be the most insipid idea I've heard in a very long time. Not sure if I've ever even heard it before, even from the most rabidly clueless Libtards.

I would support the opposite concept, beautifully outlined by Heinlein. No voting rights until you've served in the military. IIRC, no citizenship until earned by that service, either. So no holding Federal Public Office, either.



Yeah. I never heard it before. I just thought of it when I was replying to your post. I'd say maybe I shouldn't have said anything to put any ideas in anybodies heads, but I'm sure if I thought of it that somebody else has already thought of it too.

This is the left today. After thinking about it, doesn't it seem exactly like something they would eventually try to push through? I can't tell you how many times I hear that I shouldn't have any opinions since I didn't go to college by lefties who can't get a real job with that liberal arts degree, can't budget and are in debt up to their eyeballs.


I was actually thinking about Starship Troopers when I thought of this idea. In that movie you had basic rights and protections in whatever their government was, but you weren't actually a Citizen with full rights unless you served in the military.

I don't know if I like that idea any better.

I do think that a lot of people are unqualified to vote for a variety of reasons, but who am I to make that distinction? Would I trust anybody else with that job?

I don't agree with any of the wars we've been in during my lifetime, and nobody here would call me anything close to a Liberal. Forcing me to join the military to be able to vote would mean throwing away my own principals to participate in something that is largely a waste of time anyhow.

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Voting, we might even say, is the next to last refuge of the politically impotent. ~Neil Postman, "Amusing Ourselves To Death"



In that instance, I would just forfeit my right to vote rather than serve in the military. The problem is that it wouldn't just end with voting. I'm sure if that were pushed through it wouldn't be long before other rights lost when you're a felon were stripped from people who didn't serve such as the right to bear arms.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I agree, SIX. If a nation depends on its military ... so much that it forfeits rewarding ANY OTHER contribution to society ... well, that society is doomed.

Large militaries are a feature of empires, not healthy thriving economies. In the end, they often suck the national economy dry, such as is happening today to the USA. It's not a sector of society that I'd encourage by over-reward. Heinlein was mistaken.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:51 AM

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Yup. I remember hearing a lot how great war is for our economy.

We're slowly making our way to me living in a country that has been at war for 2/3rds of my life and I don't see any evidence that this is a true statement.



Do you have any suggestions for "qualifications" for voting Sigs?


I think we can agree that military service on one hand and college education on the other hand as prerequisites are two very terrible ideas.

The thing is that I just can't thing of a single one that would be useful AND fair.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:19 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Do you have any suggestions for "qualifications" for voting ?



Full vote - Property owners
3/4 vote - Renters
1/2 vote - College dorm residents
1/4 vote - Live with parents
No vote - Receive Govt. assistance

* penalty for lying on registration form is public impalement.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Voting requirements:

1) Be a citizen
2) Have reached the "age of majority" as defined by the state of residence
3) Speak and read English. BTW, in theory, since learning English is a requirement for becoming a citizen, why does CA provide VOTING MATERIALS in 17 different languages?
4) Not be under conservatorship.
5) Register to vote
6) Be properly and positively identified before voting

Yes, it means that all kinds of stupid, improvident people get to vote, but since we would all be affected by the results (assuming that we didn't actually live in an oligarchy already) we should all have a say.

Personally, I'm more concerned about vote counting, the manipulation of the voter rolls by whichever party is in power, gerrymandering, voter ID, and money in politics than about the voter requirements.



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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:03 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Do you have any suggestions for "qualifications" for voting ?



Full vote - Property owners
3/4 vote - Renters
1/2 vote - College dorm residents
1/4 vote - Live with parents
No vote - Receive Govt. assistance

* penalty for lying on registration form is public impalement.



I'm for it, but only if those who own their homes free and clear get two votes.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:06 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Voting requirements:

1) Be a citizen
2) Have reached the "age of majority" as defined by the state of residence
3) Speak and read English. BTW, in theory, since learning English is a requirement for becoming a citizen, why does CA provide VOTING MATERIALS in 17 different languages?
4) Not be under conservatorship.
5) Register to vote
6) Be properly and positively identified before voting

Yes, it means that all kinds of stupid, improvident people get to vote, but since we would all be affected by the results (assuming that we didn't actually live in an oligarchy already) we should all have a say.

Personally, I'm more concerned about vote counting, the manipulation of the voter rolls by whichever party is in power, gerrymandering, voter ID, and money in politics than about the voter requirements.



I could agree with all of that. It would be nice to actually believe that the votes weren't just predetermined numbers and your vote actually matters. I give that about 50/50, like everything else.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Carlsbad, CA joins the list of cities supporting the Federal Lawsuit against CA Sanctuary Cities.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-no-san
ctuary-options-20180521-story.html


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/22/another-california-city-reb
els-against-states-pro-illegal-immigration-sanctuary-city-policies.html


http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/05/22/carlsbad-joins-revolt-a
gainst-californias-sanctuary-state-laws
/


Including:
Los Alamitos
San Diego County
Orange County
Tuolumne County
Escondito
Huntington Beach
Hesperia
Mission Viejo
Fountain Valley
Orange
Newport Beach
Westminster
Santa Clarita
San Juan Capistrano
Aliso Viejo


Of course, Aliso Viejo is the City that banned Dihydrogen Monoxide. Looks like those idiots have been replaced by people with sense.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/22/trump-administrations-lawsu
it-against-california-sanctuary-laws-backed-by-these-cities-counties.html



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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:16 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


In the recent few days, ICE has apprehended almost 100 Illegal Aliens in WI, mostly from Sanctuary Cities.
Lawless Unenforcement's Police Chiefs are on TV whining that ICE did not leak to them like usual, so they were unable to shelter the Illegal Aliens from the Feds. And now the Sanctuary cops are fearful the the Illegal Aliens community has hurt feelings and won't buy the cops donuts anymore.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And now the Sanctuary cops are fearful the the Illegal Aliens community has hurt feelings and won't buy the cops donuts anymore.



Donuts bought with food stamps they shouldn't be getting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno, I thought that in order to get a green card, you had to be SPONSORED. That means that someone takes financial responsibility for you so that you aren't a burden on the American taxpayer.

So how is is that greencard holders are getting benefits anyway?

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