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Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I would normally put this under "Evidens, Where Are We Now?" (as in ... disappearing evidence) but I thought this was just too juicy not to post by itself:

Quote:

What was previously widely suspected has now been confirmed. In its latest bombshell report that - for once - doesn’t include some nefarious allegations of wrongdoing or incompetence involving President Donald Trump or members of his administration, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign jointly financed the creation of the infamous “Trump dossier," which helped inspire the launch of the floundering investigations into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

Though neither the DNC nor the Clinton campaign worked directly with former British spy Christopher Steele as he compiled the document, the fact that Democrats funded the dossier – which includes information primarily gleaned from sources in Russia – ironically suggests the Democrats indirectly leveraged Russian sources to try and spread information of dubious veracity about a political opponent to try and sway an election.

Sound familiar?

Even though the scandalous accusations contained within the dossier weren’t made public until after the vote, presumably waiting to see what foot the shoe would end up on, this would’ve provided serious grist for the collusion narrative, which we imagine would’ve been stretched to include the entire Republican establishment as accomplices.

While it’s impossible to determine exactly how much money was spent on the dossier, the Clinton campaign paid Perkins Coie – the law firm of Clinton superattorney Marc Elias - $5.6 million in legal fees from June 2015 to December 2016, according to campaign finance records, and the DNC paid the firm $3.6 million in “legal and compliance consulting’’ since Nov. 2015. Some of that money was presumably used to pay for the dossier.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/wapo-dnc-clinton-campaign-fin
anced-infamous-trump-dossier

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:42 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would normally put this under "Evidens, Where Are We Now?" (as in ... disappearing evidence) but I thought this was just too juicy not to post by itself:

Quote:

What was previously widely suspected has now been confirmed. In its latest bombshell report that - for once - doesn’t include some nefarious allegations of wrongdoing or incompetence involving President Donald Trump or members of his administration, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign jointly financed the creation of the infamous “Trump dossier," which helped inspire the launch of the floundering investigations into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

Though neither the DNC nor the Clinton campaign worked directly with former British spy Christopher Steele as he compiled the document, the fact that Democrats funded the dossier – which includes information primarily gleaned from sources in Russia – ironically suggests the Democrats indirectly leveraged Russian sources to try and spread information of dubious veracity about a political opponent to try and sway an election.

Sound familiar?

Even though the scandalous accusations contained within the dossier weren’t made public until after the vote, presumably waiting to see what foot the shoe would end up on, this would’ve provided serious grist for the collusion narrative, which we imagine would’ve been stretched to include the entire Republican establishment as accomplices.

While it’s impossible to determine exactly how much money was spent on the dossier, the Clinton campaign paid Perkins Coie – the law firm of Clinton superattorney Marc Elias - $5.6 million in legal fees from June 2015 to December 2016, according to campaign finance records, and the DNC paid the firm $3.6 million in “legal and compliance consulting’’ since Nov. 2015. Some of that money was presumably used to pay for the dossier.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/wapo-dnc-clinton-campaign-fin
anced-infamous-trump-dossier


r

oh goodness. Say it isn't so. The Fake News MSM whined that it wasn't true, and Libtards across the fruited plains gobbled it up, and regurgitated it verbatim.
Who can we believe?
At least Mueller won't hear of it. He has Trump's childhood to investigate, or maybe Trump's conception and gestation.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:25 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


There is one tinsy little item you left out Siggy...a republican candidate was first to hire Steele to produce the dossier to get "dirt" on Donny Baby, but then withdrew at some point and then the Clintons hired Steele to complete the job.

So, you're right, both the Dems and Repubs were after the slime known as Trump. And you're right about it being too juicy. And now, 7 years after the fact, Eureka! uranium...Obama and Hillary sneaking about to sell to a Russian-backed company. This should be good!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would normally put this under "Evidens, Where Are We Now?" (as in ... disappearing evidence) but I thought this was just too juicy not to post by itself:

Quote:

What was previously widely suspected has now been confirmed. In its latest bombshell report that - for once - doesn’t include some nefarious allegations of wrongdoing or incompetence involving President Donald Trump or members of his administration, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign jointly financed the creation of the infamous “Trump dossier," which helped inspire the launch of the floundering investigations into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

Though neither the DNC nor the Clinton campaign worked directly with former British spy Christopher Steele as he compiled the document, the fact that Democrats funded the dossier – which includes information primarily gleaned from sources in Russia – ironically suggests the Democrats indirectly leveraged Russian sources to try and spread information of dubious veracity about a political opponent to try and sway an election.

Sound familiar?

Even though the scandalous accusations contained within the dossier weren’t made public until after the vote, presumably waiting to see what foot the shoe would end up on, this would’ve provided serious grist for the collusion narrative, which we imagine would’ve been stretched to include the entire Republican establishment as accomplices.

While it’s impossible to determine exactly how much money was spent on the dossier, the Clinton campaign paid Perkins Coie – the law firm of Clinton superattorney Marc Elias - $5.6 million in legal fees from June 2015 to December 2016, according to campaign finance records, and the DNC paid the firm $3.6 million in “legal and compliance consulting’’ since Nov. 2015. Some of that money was presumably used to pay for the dossier.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/wapo-dnc-clinton-campaign-fin
anced-infamous-trump-dossier


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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:42 AM

JO753

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Lucky there wuz so much to find! They didnt waste their money!

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:42 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Lucky there wuz so much to find! They didnt waste their money!


Just, yanno, for posterity.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:44 AM

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Lucky there wuz so much to find! They didnt waste their money!


Just, yanno, for posterity.

Let me see if I have the story straight: The DNC and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to conduct oppo research on Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele. Steele produced his dossier. It was never used. End of story.

I suppose there’s some way to make a scandal out of that. Congressional Republicans have made hay out of less before. But do they really want to highlight the dossier anyway? And shouldn’t they be focusing their attention on Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders and whoever else is actually politically important these days?

Scandalmongering the Clintons has defined the Republican Party for the past quarter of a century. Maybe going cold turkey was just too much to ask.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


According to the WSJ (as quoted by ZH)

Quote:

Let’s give plausible accounts of the known facts, then explain why demands that Robert Mueller recuse himself from the Russia investigation may not be the fanciful partisan grandstanding you imagine.

Here’s a story consistent with what has been reported in the press—how reliably reported is uncertain. Democratic political opponents of Donald Trump financed a British former spook who spread money among contacts in Russia, who in turn over drinks solicited stories from their supposedly “connected” sources in Moscow. If these people were really connected in any meaningful sense, then they made sure the stories they spun were consistent with the interests of the regime, if not actually scripted by the regime. The resulting Trump dossier then became a factor in Obama administration decisions to launch an FBI counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign, and after the election to trumpet suspicions of Trump collusion with Russia.

We know of a second, possibly even more consequential way the FBI was effectively a vehicle for Russian meddling in U.S. politics. Authoritative news reports say FBI chief James Comey’s intervention in the Hillary Clinton email matter was prompted by a Russian intelligence document that his colleagues suspected was a Russian plant.

OK, Mr. Mueller was a former close colleague and leader but no longer part of the FBI when these events occurred. This may or may not make him a questionable person to lead a Russia-meddling investigation in which the FBI’s own actions are necessarily a concern. But now we come to the Rosatom disclosures last week in The Hill, a newspaper that covers Congress.

Here’s another story as plausible as we can make it based on credible reporting. After the Cold War, in its own interest, the U.S. wanted to build bridges to the Russian nuclear establishment. The Putin government, for national or commercial purposes, agreed and sought to expand its nuclear business in the U.S.

...

The purchase and consolidation of certain assets were facilitated by Canadian entrepreneurs who gave large sums to the Clinton Foundation, and perhaps arranged a Bill Clinton speech in Moscow for $500,000.

Well, that's more money than Flynn ever got!
Quote:

A key transaction had to be approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

Now we learn that, before and during these transactions, the FBI had uncovered a bribery and kickback scheme involving Russia’s U.S. nuclear business, and also received reports of Russian officials seeking to curry favor through donations to the Clinton Foundation

This criminal activity was apparently not disclosed to agencies vetting the 2010 transfer of U.S. commercial nuclear assets to Russia. The FBI made no move to break up the scheme until long after the transaction closed. Only five years later, the Justice Department, in 2015, disclosed a plea deal with the Russian perpetrator so quietly that its significance was missed until The Hill reported on the FBI investigation last week.

... for anyone who cares to look, the real problem here is that the FBI itself is so thoroughly implicated in the Russia meddling story."

Same link


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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to the WSJ (as quoted by ZH)
Quote:

Let’s give plausible accounts of the known facts, then explain why demands that Robert Mueller recuse himself from the Russia investigation may not be the fanciful partisan grandstanding you imagine.

Here’s a story consistent with what has been reported in the press—how reliably reported is uncertain. Democratic political opponents of Donald Trump financed a British former spook who spread money among contacts in Russia, who in turn over drinks solicited stories from their supposedly “connected” sources in Moscow. If these people were really connected in any meaningful sense, then they made sure the stories they spun were consistent with the interests of the regime, if not actually scripted by the regime. The resulting Trump dossier then became a factor in Obama administration decisions to launch an FBI counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign, and after the election to trumpet suspicions of Trump collusion with Russia.

We know of a second, possibly even more consequential way the FBI was effectively a vehicle for Russian meddling in U.S. politics. Authoritative news reports say FBI chief James Comey’s intervention in the Hillary Clinton email matter was prompted by a Russian intelligence document that his colleagues suspected was a Russian plant.

OK, Mr. Mueller was a former close colleague and leader but no longer part of the FBI when these events occurred. This may or may not make him a questionable person to lead a Russia-meddling investigation in which the FBI’s own actions are necessarily a concern. But now we come to the Rosatom disclosures last week in The Hill, a newspaper that covers Congress.

Here’s another story as plausible as we can make it based on credible reporting. After the Cold War, in its own interest, the U.S. wanted to build bridges to the Russian nuclear establishment. The Putin government, for national or commercial purposes, agreed and sought to expand its nuclear business in the U.S.

...

The purchase and consolidation of certain assets were facilitated by Canadian entrepreneurs who gave large sums to the Clinton Foundation, and perhaps arranged a Bill Clinton speech in Moscow for $500,000.

Well, that's more money than Flynn ever got!
Quote:

A key transaction had to be approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

Now we learn that, before and during these transactions, the FBI had uncovered a bribery and kickback scheme involving Russia’s U.S. nuclear business, and also received reports of Russian officials seeking to curry favor through donations to the Clinton Foundation

This criminal activity was apparently not disclosed to agencies vetting the 2010 transfer of U.S. commercial nuclear assets to Russia. The FBI made no move to break up the scheme until long after the transaction closed. Only five years later, the Justice Department, in 2015, disclosed a plea deal with the Russian perpetrator so quietly that its significance was missed until The Hill reported on the FBI investigation last week.

... for anyone who cares to look, the real problem here is that the FBI itself is so thoroughly implicated in the Russia meddling story."

Same link.

What link?

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Lucky there wuz so much to find! They didnt waste their money!

Just, yanno, for posterity.

Let me see if I have the story straight: The DNC and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to conduct oppo research on Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele. Steele produced his dossier. It was never used. End of story.

I suppose there’s some way to make a scandal out of that. Congressional Republicans have made hay out of less before. But do they really want to highlight the dossier anyway? And shouldn’t they be focusing their attention on Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders and whoever else is actually politically important these days?

Scandalmongering the Clintons has defined the Republican Party for the past quarter of a century. Maybe going cold turkey was just too much to ask.

is that like saying the Democraps kept castigating Republicans for Ending Slavery, although it only took 95 years or so?
If it is valid depiction of criminality and Treason, why are you so insistent on ignoring it? Are you Anti-Patriotic?

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:03 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

What link?

The Zerohedge link http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/wapo-dnc-clinton-campaign-fin
anced-infamous-trump-dossier


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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:07 PM

WHOZIT


It looks like we'll have at least one more scandal from the Clinton clan, who ever goes near them gets their cooties. The CIA, the FBI, the DOJ, the DNC and the media will be damaged. This is what happens when you get in bed with the Clintons. The dogs they sent to attack Trump have turned on them...woof

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Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He who lies down with dogs wakes up with fleas.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:16 AM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He who lies down with dogs wakes up with fleas.




Trump has a roadmap of flea bites all over him in the form of the Steele Dossier...

When this is all over the FBI will be thanking Hillary's lawyer for the freebie. Saves THEM work digging it all up for themselves.


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Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:34 AM

JO753

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A little detail that you seem to be neglecting to mention, Sig, iz that a republican contender commisioned Richard Steele during the primary. He'd alredy started working on it, then Trump wun, so the opponent (I'm gessing it wuz Jeb) stopped finansing it. Later, the 3rd party Dem backer revived it.

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Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


"Scandalmongering" the Clintons is a full time gi, never mind that the country is facing a possible showdown with the North Koreans. Well, they also seem to enjoy obstructing Obama, even after he's gone.

By the way, before the Clintons added their 2 cents to the Fusion thing, it seems a Repub candidate started the ball rolling. Funny how the Clintons got pegged, but not the Repub who hired Fusion to begin with. Hmmmmm!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Lucky there wuz so much to find! They didnt waste their money!


Just, yanno, for posterity.

Let me see if I have the story straight: The DNC and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to conduct oppo research on Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele. Steele produced his dossier. It was never used. End of story.

I suppose there’s some way to make a scandal out of that. Congressional Republicans have made hay out of less before. But do they really want to highlight the dossier anyway? And shouldn’t they be focusing their attention on Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders and whoever else is actually politically important these days?

Scandalmongering the Clintons has defined the Republican Party for the past quarter of a century. Maybe going cold turkey was just too much to ask.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, I know...., you will crawl endlessly up Trump's anus, looking for some (ANY) undigested piece of meat, but will endlessly excuse your Democratic heroes who did the same, or worse. Clearly, not the sharpest minds at work here!

Now, if you'll excuse me, since I tend to wake up at stupid o'clock in the morning, I have some cooking to do for the daytime. Today's menu is falafels and Greek-style salad (red pepper, cucumber, tomato, onion, parsley) plus commercial stuffed mushroom on the side (manager's special!)

I make dynamite falafels, which are a complete pain-in-the-ass because I literally start from dried chickpeas. Where mine are different from commercially-available is that I steam mine, rather than deep-fry, to avoid adding too much fat. I can always finish them with a quick deepfry for that golden brown color, but family prefers steamed. I also make an awesome stir-fry based on green beans, red peppers, green onions, and any other veggies that I have on hand. That, plus shredded flap meat, is on the menu for tomorrow.

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Thursday, October 26, 2017 7:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


FEC Complaint Alleges Hillary, DNC Broke Election Law By Not Disclosing Trump-Russia Dossier Funding
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/fec-complaint-alleges-hillary
-dnc-broke-election-law-not-disclosing-trump-russia-dos


Democrats Abandon Hillary: 'New' & 'Old' DNC Deny Knowledge Of Trump Dossier Funding
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/democrats-abandon-hillary-new
-old-dnc-deny-knowledge-trump-dossier-funding


*****

If this is all true - and I haven't double-checked the sources - then what this tells me is that the deep state and the DNC have BOTH decided that Hillary specifically is too toxic to continue defending. And since she serves no possible earthly service, they'd decided to jettison her from politics.

But, have fun hanging on the your boat-anchor! Just make sure that you go down with the ship, m'kay?

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Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FEC Complaint Alleges Hillary, DNC Broke Election Law By Not Disclosing Trump-Russia Dossier Funding
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/fec-complaint-alleges-hillary
-dnc-broke-election-law-not-disclosing-trump-russia-dos


Democrats Abandon Hillary: 'New' & 'Old' DNC Deny Knowledge Of Trump Dossier Funding
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/democrats-abandon-hillary-new
-old-dnc-deny-knowledge-trump-dossier-funding


*****

If this is all true - and I haven't double-checked the sources - then what this tells me is that the deep state and the DNC have BOTH decided that Hillary specifically is too toxic to continue defending. And since she serves no possible earthly service, they'd decided to jettison her from politics.

But, have fun hanging on the your boat-anchor! Just make sure that you go down with the ship, m'kay?

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Where is the thread for "evidence" on Hilliary - or for that matter, Slick?

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Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:12 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He who lies down with dogs wakes up with fleas.




Trump has a roadmap of flea bites all over him in the form of the Steele Dossier...

When this is all over the FBI will be thanking Hillary's lawyer for the freebie. Saves THEM work digging it all up for themselves.




That dossier said that Trump hired Russian hookers to piss on a hotel bed Obama slept on. Next time you clean the bathroom with strong cleaning fluids open a window...and stay off the computer.

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Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:20 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FEC Complaint Alleges Hillary, DNC Broke Election Law By Not Disclosing Trump-Russia Dossier Funding
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/fec-complaint-alleges-hillary
-dnc-broke-election-law-not-disclosing-trump-russia-dos


Democrats Abandon Hillary: 'New' & 'Old' DNC Deny Knowledge Of Trump Dossier Funding
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/democrats-abandon-hillary-new
-old-dnc-deny-knowledge-trump-dossier-funding


*****

If this is all true - and I haven't double-checked the sources - then what this tells me is that the deep state and the DNC have BOTH decided that Hillary specifically is too toxic to continue defending. And since she serves no possible earthly service, they'd decided to jettison her from politics.

But, have fun hanging on the your boat-anchor! Just make sure that you go down with the ship, m'kay?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Where is the thread for "evidence" on Hilliary - or for that matter, Slick?



Where's the evidence Russian hookers pissed on a hotel bed? Maybe we should test the stains on your mattress.

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Friday, October 27, 2017 3:01 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Yes, I know...., you will crawl endlessly up Trump's anus, looking for some (ANY) undigested piece of meat, but will endlessly excuse your Democratic heroes who did the same, or worse. Clearly, not the sharpest minds at work here!


YES, I KNOW.....although it gives me no pleasure to "crawl" up Trump's butt, but since I hate this slob with the power of a thousand Suns (kind of like the way you hate Hillary, but better. Actually the best in all the world); still though, somebody's gotta do it.

Oh and I don't make excuses for anybody, but turnabout is fair play. I see your Birther Conspiracy and I raise you -

-Rape charge
-Fraud
-Real Estate thievery
-Pussy Grabbing
-Child molesting/incest
-Lying Donny
-Draft Dodger
-Peeping Tom
-Dirty Old Man, Dirtbag, Scumbucket
-Golden Shower Connoisseur
-Thumbsucker
-Bedwetter
-Monopoly cheater
-Owner of a small peepee

I'll stop here, I gotta go


SGG

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Friday, October 27, 2017 5:02 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
-Golden Shower Connoisseur
-Bedwetter
-Owner of a small peepee

I'll stop here, I gotta go

SGG

I see what you did there.

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Friday, October 27, 2017 7:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Yes, I know...., you will crawl endlessly up Trump's anus, looking for some (ANY) undigested piece of meat, but will endlessly excuse your Democratic heroes who did the same, or worse. Clearly, not the sharpest minds at work here!


YES, I KNOW.....although it gives me no pleasure to "crawl" up Trump's butt, but since I hate this slob with the power of a thousand Suns (kind of like the way you hate Hillary, but better. Actually the best in all the world); still though, somebody's gotta do it.

Oh and I don't make excuses for anybody, but turnabout is fair play. I see your Birther Conspiracy and I raise you -

-Rape charge
-Fraud
-Real Estate thievery
-Pussy Grabbing
-Child molesting/incest
-Lying Donny
-Draft Dodger
-Peeping Tom
-Dirty Old Man, Dirtbag, Scumbucket
-Golden Shower Connoisseur
-Thumbsucker
-Bedwetter
-Monopoly cheater
-Owner of a small peepee

I'll stop here, I gotta go


SGG

Ok, I get that you have this list of dislikes about Bill Clinton, but what about Trump?


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Friday, October 27, 2017 7:39 AM

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Hillary paid for opposition research? That's unheard of! Scandalous!


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Friday, October 27, 2017 10:44 AM

1KIKI

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It was the worst stuff anybody could find on Trump and set an investigation in motion.

Now that we know Hillary paid for it - in the usual Hillary way, with a circle of denials by all associates - you think it's a nothing.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Friday, October 27, 2017 12:41 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Hillary paid for opposition research AND WENT TO THE RUSSIANS TO GET IT? That's unheard of! Scandalous!



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Friday, October 27, 2017 6:41 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Hillary paid for opposition research? That's unheard of! Scandalous!




Which led to hearings in the house and senate and a independent investigator. NOW, Hillary, the DNC, the FBI and the DOJ are in the spotlight...scandalous.


By the way, where did all that money go? How much was spent on lies and who got the check?

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Friday, October 27, 2017 6:45 PM

SIGNYM

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 4:22 AM

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Turnz out it wuz the Washington Free Beacon, a GoP propaganda outlet, that orijinally commissioned the Trump dossier.

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 7:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Turnz out it wuz the Washington Free Beacon, a GoP propaganda outlet, that orijinally commissioned the Trump dossier.

No. As usual, in your haste to excuse the Democratic Party, you got it wrong. The Washington Free Beacon never contracted Steele, who was the originator of the so-called "dossier".

Quote:

In what will probably be remembered as a footnote in the Congressional inquiries into the credibility of the infamous "Trump dossier", the mysterious Republican anti-Trump group that retained opposition research firm Fusion GPS during the Republican primary has finally been revealed.

And surprisingly, it wasn't John McCain, the RNC or the Cruz campaign. It was...the Washington Free Beacon?

The conservative website reportedly told a Congressional panel that it paid Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on Trump during the primary, but asked it to stop in May 2016 when it became apparent that Trump would be the nominee.

The DNC and Clinton campaigns, through lawyer Marc Elias, contracted Fusion to dig into Trump's background in April 2016, which is when the real work that led to the dossier's creation began.

The Free Beacon famously is funded in large part by New York hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer of Elliott Management Corp. Singer strongly opposed Trump during the primary. The conservative-leaning news website confirmed its relationship with Fusion in a post published Friday night. In the post, the Free Beacon explained that it had withdrawn its financial support before former British spy Christopher Steele was brought on to begin the research that led to the dossier.

The Free Beacon also paid to fund opposition research into other candidates besides Trump.

Lawyers for the conservative publication Washington Free Beacon informed the House Intelligence Committee Friday that the organization was the original funder for the anti-Trump opposition research project with Fusion GPS.

The Free Beacon funded the project from the fall of 2015 through the spring of 2016, whereupon it withdrew funding and the project was picked up by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

The original arrangement between the Free Beacon and Fusion GPS involved opposition research into multiple Republican candidates, not just front-runner Donald Trump.

Sources close to the Free Beacon stress that the project, when the Free Beacon funded it, had nothing to do with Russia and did not involve Christopher Steele, the former British spy who gathered anti-Trump dirt in Russia. Steele was retained by Fusion GPS when the project was funded by Democrats, and not in its initial phase, when the Free Beacon was involved.

The Free Beacon has a history of employing so-called opposition research firms to assist in news articles critical of targets ranging from Mr. Trump to Mrs. Clinton, according to the New York Times.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-27/republican-group-helped-finan
ce-trump-dossier-revealed


So, I guess you could say it was the Dems who colluded with Russia to influence the election.


*****

Apparently, the hedge fund manager, Paul Singer ($8 billion) was against several Republican candidates, not just Trump. In trying to understand his opposition to ANY Republican, I looked at the source of his money, which is his hedge fund, Elliot Management. This company is an international "vulture fund", which specializes in representing dead and dying companies which are in the process of being acquired by other firms. What Elliot Mgt does is raise the share price of the companies targeted for acquisition by organizing resistance among the various shareholders and involved hedge fund managers for a more equitable price. His was the fund which bought near=worthless Argentinian bonds at firesale prices, and then insisted on being paid full price, seizing the ARA Libertad, an Argentinian naval vessel, in Ghana which it intended to confiscate in accordance with court judgments awarding it over $1.6 billion in Argentinian assets. The hedge fund has done similarly with national assets of the Congo and Peru.

There must be something specific that I'm missing. Trump is a populist and ran as an "America firster" while Singer is an internationalist who finds the carcasses of companies anywhere he can. Except for the fact that Trump represents the "national" capitalists and Singer represent the "international" capitalists (and prolly depends on the internationalization of financial rules to allow his money to flow everywhere) I don't see any SPECIFIC reason for there to be emnity.

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Fresh off the heels of a shocking report, published by the Washington Post, that confirmed that the infamous “Russia dossier” was actually funded by both the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee, an even more startling revelation has emerged – The Clinton-DNC machine colluded with the Russians to fabricate and spread serious disinformation about Donald Trump in a failed attempt at swaying the election in the favor of Hillary Clinton.

That’s right, in a literal reverse of what the entire mainstream media has fed the American people for over a year, we now have evidence that, either wittingly or unwittingly, the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for what amounted to disinformation that came directly from “Russian sources”.

Obviously this may seem truly unbelievable to some, but the facts speak for themselves and there is no denying that Democrats paid a shady opposition research company to try and dig up dirt on Donald Trump who then subsequently hired former British spy Christopher Steele. Steele then openly used Russian sources for most of the serious allegations in the “Russia dossier”.
Clinton Lawyer Hires Fusion GPS For Disinformation

According to The Washington Post report, which was later confirmed by Politico, Clinton and DNC lawyer Marc Elias hired the “opposition research” (see disinformation) company Fusion GPS who then outsourced the work to former British spy Christopher Steele who eventually went on to release the “Russian dossier” which was chalked full of disinformation, including lurid sexual allegations against Donald Trump.

The fact that the Clinton campaign would hire Fusion GPS in the first place paints a clear picture of a campaign willing to pay for any dirt on then candidate Donald Trump whether it was true or not. This becomes even more clear when you consider the history of Fusion GPS itself.

As Breitbart reported, “Fusion GPS is not some usual-usual oppo-research firm. Among other things, the company has been accused of being a “Democrat-aligned misinformation firm” aligned with Russia. While refusing to cooperate with congressional investigations, including taking the fifth, Fusion GPS has also been accused of advocating for “the interests of corrupt Russian and Venezuelan officials while hiding its foreign work from federal authorities.”

The Federalist’s Mollie Hemingway also noted the serious allegations against the company:

At a July hearing, Senate Judiciary members were told Fusion GPS helped advocate the interests of corrupt Russian and Venezuelan officials while hiding its foreign work from federal authorities.



Fusion GPS has been accused of illegally working as an undisclosed foreign agent and is currently refusing to comply with federal subpoenas for information on its foreign clients.

Fusion GPS also has deep connections to the mainstream media, including the fact that it was literally founded by a team of former mainstream media reporters who have deep connections to those currently in the profession.

Again Hemingway notes:

The principals at Fusion GPS are well-connected to mainstream media reporters. They are former journalists themselves, and know how to package stories and provide information to push narratives. They are, in fact, close friends with some of the top reporters who have covered the Russia-Trump collusion story.



Fusion GPS has placed stories with friendly reporters while fighting congressional investigators’ attempts to find out the group’s sources of funding. Fusion GPS leaders have taken the Fifth and fought subpoenas for information about the group’s involvement with Russia.



Their close friendships with key reporters on these stories have paid huge dividends for the firm, although these friendships and cooperative relationships have not served the public well.

Former Spy Used “Russian Sources” For Infamous Trump Dossier

This is where the story turns from shocking to downright unbelievable, especially when you consider the year long mainstream media disinformation narrative that claims that the Russians helped Donald Trump win the election.

The spook working for Fusion GPS, (which was hired by the Clinton campaign) Christopher Steele, openly bragged about his sources being within the Russian government itself.

Buried deep in a report by Vanity Fair that spends thousands of words trying to pretend that the dossier could be legitimate, is this nugget that paints a picture of direct or indirect collusion between the Clinton team and Russia.

How good were these sources? Consider what Steele would write in the memos he filed with Simpson: Source A—to use the careful nomenclature of his dossier—was “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure.” Source B was “a former top level intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin.” And both of these insiders, after “speaking to a trusted compatriot,” would claim that the Kremlin had spent years getting its hooks into Donald Trump.



Source E was “an ethnic Russian” and “close associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald Trump.”

After “gathering” the information, Steele was then directed by Fusion GPS to “brief” the media about the Russian government fueled allegations against Trump.

As The Daily Caller noted in July:

In one, dated May 18, Steele says that he was instructed by Fusion GPS to meet with reporters at various outlets in order to publicize some of the allegations made in the dossier.



It has been widely known that Fusion GPS and Steele were in contact with reporters to discuss the dossier. It has been reported that rumors of the dossier were floating around in Washington, D.C. political and journalist circles for months prior to BuzzFeed’s decision to publish it on Jan. 10.



[…]



In the response, Steele’s lawyers state that the former spook briefed several reporters at the end of September at the instruction of Fusion GPS, which was working on behalf of a Democratic ally of Hillary Clinton’s.



The outlets were The New York Times, The Washington Post, Yahoo! News, The New Yorker and CNN.



Steele met once more — and again at Fusion GPS’s instruction — with The Times, The Post, and Yahoo! News. Fusion GPS took part in all of those meetings, Steele’s lawyers say.



“In each of those cases the briefing was conducted verbally in person,” the document reads.



In October, Fusion GPS instructed Steele to brief a journalist from Mother Jones. The interview, which was conducted through Skype, was likely with reporter David Corn.

It doesn’t get any clearer than this. Fusion GPS was paid by Democrats to dig up dirt, that dirt was then supplied by the Russians, and subsequently became a major part of the narrative surrounding Donald Trump and Russia.

“What you clearly have here is the Clinton campaign openly COLLUDING with a foreign country, with the Russians, to fabricate scurrilous lies about Trump, which were then fed to a willing media as a means to affect their news coverage, and by extension, sway the election,” Breitbart’s John Nolte wrote.
Fusion GPS “Was Acting On Behalf Of Russia”

Amazingly, testimony and evidence already exists that Fusion GPS has in the past worked directly for Russia and may have been doing so with the Trump disinformation dossier.

At a Senate Judiciary Hearing in late July, Hermitage Capital Management chief William Browder testified that the company was acting on behalf of Russia after co-founder Glenn Simpson was hired by a person connected to lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya to lobby for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act.

The following exchange between Browder and Senator Lindsey Graham is shocking to say the least.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: This whole story reads like some kind of novel that nobody would buy, it’s got to be fiction, but unfortunately maybe it’s true. Let’s just break down sort of why you’re here. You believe that Fusion GPS should of registered under FARA, because they were acting on the behalf of the Russians?



WILLIAM BROWDER: That’s correct.



SEN. GRAHAM: So, I just want to absorb that for a moment. The group that did the dossier on President Trump hired this British spy, wound up getting it to the FBI. You believe they were working for the Russians?



BROWDER: And in the Spring and Summer of 2016 they were receiving money indirectly from a senior Russian government official.



SEN. GRAHAM: Okay. So, these are the people that were trying to undermine Donald Trump by showing the nefarious ties to Russia. Is that what you’re saying?



BROWDER: Well, what I’m saying with 100% certainty is that they were working to undermine the Magnitsky act and the timing of that.



SEN. GRAHAM: But, the Fusion GPS products apparently as they hired a guy to look into Trump?



BROWDER: Yes.



SEN. GRAHAM: Right



BROWDER: Correct.

When you put all the evidence together, keeping in mind that this is only what has been released so far, you can see a clear picture of, at the very least, indirect collusion between the highest levels of the Democratic Party and unknown figures within the Russian government. The scheme was then directly propped up and spread by the mainstream media.

As Nolte so aptly notes, “If purchasing misinformation from Kremlin official as a means to manipulate media coverage and sway public opinion is not colluding with the Russians to rig an election, nothing is.”

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:43 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would normally put this under "Evidens, Where Are We Now?" (as in ... disappearing evidence) but I thought this was just too juicy not to post by itself:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/wapo-dnc-clinton-campaign-fin
anced-infamous-trump-dossier




I see the troll is still referencing a troll blog site. Nothing new to see here.

Fake news





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Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


My response: from another thread - Draining the Swamp - Siggy's response

Quote:

This is probably true, but being treated badly by the press is not a reflection of ANY person's moral character, since the press is a duplicitous lying sack of corporate interest. The fact that the Press printed so many lies about Trump .... which btw is slowly coming to light .... tells me more about the press than about Trump. One thing it tell me is that one should NEVER trust the press!


...one should NEVER trust the press...


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Fresh off the heels of a shocking report, published by the Washington Post, that confirmed that the infamous “Russia dossier” was actually funded by both the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee, an even more startling revelation has emerged – The Clinton-DNC machine colluded with the Russians to fabricate and spread serious disinformation about Donald Trump in a failed attempt at swaying the election in the favor of Hillary Clinton.

That’s right, in a literal reverse of what the entire mainstream media has fed the American people for over a year, we now have evidence that, either wittingly or unwittingly, the Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for what amounted to disinformation that came directly from “Russian sources”.

Obviously this may seem truly unbelievable to some, but the facts speak for themselves and there is no denying that Democrats paid a shady opposition research company to try and dig up dirt on Donald Trump who then subsequently hired former British spy Christopher Steele. Steele then openly used Russian sources for most of the serious allegations in the “Russia dossier”.
Clinton Lawyer Hires Fusion GPS For Disinformation

According to The Washington Post report, which was later confirmed by Politico, Clinton and DNC lawyer Marc Elias hired the “opposition research” (see disinformation) company Fusion GPS who then outsourced the work to former British spy Christopher Steele who eventually went on to release the “Russian dossier” which was chalked full of disinformation, including lurid sexual allegations against Donald Trump.

The fact that the Clinton campaign would hire Fusion GPS in the first place paints a clear picture of a campaign willing to pay for any dirt on then candidate Donald Trump whether it was true or not. This becomes even more clear when you consider the history of Fusion GPS itself.

As Breitbart reported, “Fusion GPS is not some usual-usual oppo-research firm. Among other things, the company has been accused of being a “Democrat-aligned misinformation firm” aligned with Russia. While refusing to cooperate with congressional investigations, including taking the fifth, Fusion GPS has also been accused of advocating for “the interests of corrupt Russian and Venezuelan officials while hiding its foreign work from federal authorities.”

The Federalist’s Mollie Hemingway also noted the serious allegations against the company:

At a July hearing, Senate Judiciary members were told Fusion GPS helped advocate the interests of corrupt Russian and Venezuelan officials while hiding its foreign work from federal authorities.



Fusion GPS has been accused of illegally working as an undisclosed foreign agent and is currently refusing to comply with federal subpoenas for information on its foreign clients.

Fusion GPS also has deep connections to the mainstream media, including the fact that it was literally founded by a team of former mainstream media reporters who have deep connections to those currently in the profession.

Again Hemingway notes:

The principals at Fusion GPS are well-connected to mainstream media reporters. They are former journalists themselves, and know how to package stories and provide information to push narratives. They are, in fact, close friends with some of the top reporters who have covered the Russia-Trump collusion story.



Fusion GPS has placed stories with friendly reporters while fighting congressional investigators’ attempts to find out the group’s sources of funding. Fusion GPS leaders have taken the Fifth and fought subpoenas for information about the group’s involvement with Russia.



Their close friendships with key reporters on these stories have paid huge dividends for the firm, although these friendships and cooperative relationships have not served the public well.

Former Spy Used “Russian Sources” For Infamous Trump Dossier

This is where the story turns from shocking to downright unbelievable, especially when you consider the year long mainstream media disinformation narrative that claims that the Russians helped Donald Trump win the election.

The spook working for Fusion GPS, (which was hired by the Clinton campaign) Christopher Steele, openly bragged about his sources being within the Russian government itself.

Buried deep in a report by Vanity Fair that spends thousands of words trying to pretend that the dossier could be legitimate, is this nugget that paints a picture of direct or indirect collusion between the Clinton team and Russia.

How good were these sources? Consider what Steele would write in the memos he filed with Simpson: Source A—to use the careful nomenclature of his dossier—was “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure.” Source B was “a former top level intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin.” And both of these insiders, after “speaking to a trusted compatriot,” would claim that the Kremlin had spent years getting its hooks into Donald Trump.



Source E was “an ethnic Russian” and “close associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald Trump.”

After “gathering” the information, Steele was then directed by Fusion GPS to “brief” the media about the Russian government fueled allegations against Trump.

As The Daily Caller noted in July:

In one, dated May 18, Steele says that he was instructed by Fusion GPS to meet with reporters at various outlets in order to publicize some of the allegations made in the dossier.



It has been widely known that Fusion GPS and Steele were in contact with reporters to discuss the dossier. It has been reported that rumors of the dossier were floating around in Washington, D.C. political and journalist circles for months prior to BuzzFeed’s decision to publish it on Jan. 10.



[…]



In the response, Steele’s lawyers state that the former spook briefed several reporters at the end of September at the instruction of Fusion GPS, which was working on behalf of a Democratic ally of Hillary Clinton’s.



The outlets were The New York Times, The Washington Post, Yahoo! News, The New Yorker and CNN.



Steele met once more — and again at Fusion GPS’s instruction — with The Times, The Post, and Yahoo! News. Fusion GPS took part in all of those meetings, Steele’s lawyers say.



“In each of those cases the briefing was conducted verbally in person,” the document reads.



In October, Fusion GPS instructed Steele to brief a journalist from Mother Jones. The interview, which was conducted through Skype, was likely with reporter David Corn.

It doesn’t get any clearer than this. Fusion GPS was paid by Democrats to dig up dirt, that dirt was then supplied by the Russians, and subsequently became a major part of the narrative surrounding Donald Trump and Russia.

“What you clearly have here is the Clinton campaign openly COLLUDING with a foreign country, with the Russians, to fabricate scurrilous lies about Trump, which were then fed to a willing media as a means to affect their news coverage, and by extension, sway the election,” Breitbart’s John Nolte wrote.
Fusion GPS “Was Acting On Behalf Of Russia”

Amazingly, testimony and evidence already exists that Fusion GPS has in the past worked directly for Russia and may have been doing so with the Trump disinformation dossier.

At a Senate Judiciary Hearing in late July, Hermitage Capital Management chief William Browder testified that the company was acting on behalf of Russia after co-founder Glenn Simpson was hired by a person connected to lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya to lobby for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act.

The following exchange between Browder and Senator Lindsey Graham is shocking to say the least.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: This whole story reads like some kind of novel that nobody would buy, it’s got to be fiction, but unfortunately maybe it’s true. Let’s just break down sort of why you’re here. You believe that Fusion GPS should of registered under FARA, because they were acting on the behalf of the Russians?



WILLIAM BROWDER: That’s correct.



SEN. GRAHAM: So, I just want to absorb that for a moment. The group that did the dossier on President Trump hired this British spy, wound up getting it to the FBI. You believe they were working for the Russians?



BROWDER: And in the Spring and Summer of 2016 they were receiving money indirectly from a senior Russian government official.



SEN. GRAHAM: Okay. So, these are the people that were trying to undermine Donald Trump by showing the nefarious ties to Russia. Is that what you’re saying?



BROWDER: Well, what I’m saying with 100% certainty is that they were working to undermine the Magnitsky act and the timing of that.



SEN. GRAHAM: But, the Fusion GPS products apparently as they hired a guy to look into Trump?



BROWDER: Yes.



SEN. GRAHAM: Right



BROWDER: Correct.

When you put all the evidence together, keeping in mind that this is only what has been released so far, you can see a clear picture of, at the very least, indirect collusion between the highest levels of the Democratic Party and unknown figures within the Russian government. The scheme was then directly propped up and spread by the mainstream media.

As Nolte so aptly notes, “If purchasing misinformation from Kremlin official as a means to manipulate media coverage and sway public opinion is not colluding with the Russians to rig an election, nothing is.”

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


back to trolling again?

oh, what AM I I saying! you never stopped.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:18 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Odd how the CIA and FBI found out about the Russians helping Trump on their own without the help uv the dossier.

And just az odd how nothing in the dossier haz been disproven yet. In spite uv that, all the GoP propaganda outlets rutinely refer to it az 'debunked'.

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 6:02 PM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Odd how the CIA and FBI found out about the Russians helping Trump on their own without the help uv the dossier.
And even more odd that none of the other 'intelligence' agencies came to the same conclusion.




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Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:35 PM

JO753

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And even more odder that you are rong.

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Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Odd how the CIA and FBI found out about the Russians helping Trump on their own without the help uv the dossier.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And even more odd that none of the other 'intelligence' agencies came to the same conclusion.

Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
And even more odder that you are rong.



You're the one who's wrong.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Quote:

This report includes an analytic assessment drafted and coordinated among The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and The National Security Agency (NSA), which draws on intelligence information collected and disseminated by those three agencies.
note: only 3 agencies involved, not all 17
Quote:

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.
All three agencies agree with this judgment.
CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

note: only 2 agencies agree with 'high confidence'.
Quote:

Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates.
When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election,
the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency.

note: NO confidence level is attached to this claim


That's why you can't trust the news. You need to go back to original sources to find out what these three agencies actually said.

Assuming you want to know what's going on, of course.




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Monday, October 30, 2017 4:56 AM

JO753

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No. As usual, in your haste to excuse the Democratic Party, you got it wrong. The Washington Free Beacon never contracted Steele, who was the originator of the so-called "dossier".


OK, your facts check out.

Unfortunately for you, it meanz diddly squat, kuz the neither the Demz nor Fusion GPS directed the creation uv the dossier. Steele gathered facts from hiz Russian & other soursez, plain & simple.

The only thing that didnt check out so far wuz Cohen being in Prague.

On top uv everything, Hillary and the DNC did not make use uv it. It had no effect on the election.

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:04 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

kuz the neither the Demz nor Fusion GPS directed the creation uv the dossier.
How would you know?

I mean, just because the facts haven't been developed YET doesn't mean it isn't true!

Isn't that what you say about Trump (and Russia!!!). You're so anxious to believe in fantasy about Trump, why stop the belief-machine when it comes to Hillary and the DNC?

Aren't 33,000 "private" emails bleach-bitted after subpoena enough evidence of wrongdoing? The uranium deal which was a clear pay-to-play scheme between Hillary, the Foundation, and the Russians? And what about all of the communications with Podesta showing how "Dirty" Debbie swung the primaries for Hillary? And then, there's "Dirty" Debbie's unusually close... obstructively close ... relationship with tech-provider Imran Awan? C'mon man! Lack of evidence has never stopped you before!

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ha, ha.....the old "I'm rubber, you're glue gambit" - didn't see that coming!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Yes, I know...., you will crawl endlessly up Trump's anus, looking for some (ANY) undigested piece of meat, but will endlessly excuse your Democratic heroes who did the same, or worse. Clearly, not the sharpest minds at work here!


YES, I KNOW.....although it gives me no pleasure to "crawl" up Trump's butt, but since I hate this slob with the power of a thousand Suns (kind of like the way you hate Hillary, but better. Actually the best in all the world); still though, somebody's gotta do it.

Oh and I don't make excuses for anybody, but turnabout is fair play. I see your Birther Conspiracy and I raise you -

-Rape charge
-Fraud
-Real Estate thievery
-Pussy Grabbing
-Child molesting/incest
-Lying Donny
-Draft Dodger
-Peeping Tom
-Dirty Old Man, Dirtbag, Scumbucket
-Golden Shower Connoisseur
-Thumbsucker
-Bedwetter
-Monopoly cheater
-Owner of a small peepee

I'll stop here, I gotta go


SGG

Ok, I get that you have this list of dislikes about Bill Clinton, but what about Trump?


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Funny how it's Fake News when it comes to Donny Baby; but real news and on point when it comes to Hillary.


SGG


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kuz the neither the Demz nor Fusion GPS directed the creation uv the dossier.
How would you know?

I mean, just because the facts haven't been developed YET doesn't mean it isn't true!

Isn't that what you say about Trump (and Russia!!!). You're so anxious to believe in fantasy about Trump, why stop the belief-machine when it comes to Hillary and the DNC?

Aren't 33,000 "private" emails bleach-bitted after subpoena enough evidence of wrongdoing? The uranium deal which was a clear pay-to-play scheme between Hillary, the Foundation, and the Russians? And what about all of the communications with Podesta showing how "Dirty" Debbie swung the primaries for Hillary? And then, there's "Dirty" Debbie's unusually close... obstructively close ... relationship with tech-provider Imran Awan? C'mon man! Lack of evidence has never stopped you before!

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:30 AM

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Funny how it's Fake News when it comes to Donny Baby Gillary but real news and on point when it comes to Hillary Trump
How about just requiring the same level of proof for both sides, and holding both sides to the same moral standard?

Or is that just too much for you to process?



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Monday, November 6, 2017 4:48 PM

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Early Comey memo accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails
By John Solomon - 11/06/17 02:56 PM EST


An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been "grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.

The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.

The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.


MORE AT http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/358982-early-comey-memo-accused-cli
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Just cross-posting the Donna Brazille confessional here, for completeness
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Donna Brazille Accuses Clinton Campaign Of "Rigging" Primary

"When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign."

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC

Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie.

So I followed the money. My predecessor, Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, had not been the most active chair in fundraising at a time when President Barack Obama’s neglect had left the party in significant debt. As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.

Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn’t been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn’t have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was. How much control Brooklyn had and for how long was still something I had been trying to uncover for the last few weeks.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

...On the phone Gary told me the DNC had needed a $2 million loan, which the campaign had arranged.

“No! That can’t be true!” I said. “The party cannot take out a loan without the unanimous agreement of all of the officers.”

“Gary, how did they do this without me knowing?” I asked. “I don’t know how Debbie relates to the officers,” Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillary’s campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearing house. Under FEC law, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a party’s national committee.

Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the thirty-two states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn.

“Wait,” I said. “That victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. You’re telling me that Hillary has been controlling it since before she got the nomination?”

Gary said the campaign had to do it or the party would collapse.

“That was the deal that Robby struck with Debbie,” he explained, referring to campaign manager Robby Mook. “It was to sustain the DNC. We sent the party nearly $20 million from September until the convention, and more to prepare for the election.”

“What’s the burn rate, Gary?” I asked. “How much money do we need every month to fund the party?”

The burn rate was $3.5 million to $4 million a month, he said.

I gasped. I had a pretty good sense of the DNC’s operations after having served as interim chair five years earlier. Back then the monthly expenses were half that. What had happened? The party chair usually shrinks the staff between presidential election campaigns, but Debbie had chosen not to do that. She had stuck lots of consultants on the DNC payroll, and Obama’s consultants were being financed by the DNC, too.

When we hung up, I was livid. Not at Gary, but at this mess I had inherited. I knew that Debbie had outsourced a lot of the management of the party and had not been the greatest at fundraising. I would not be that kind of chair, even if I was only an interim chair. Did they think I would just be a surrogate for them, get on the road and rouse up the crowds? I was going to manage this party the best I could and try to make it better, even if Brooklyn did not like this. It would be weeks before I would fully understand the financial shenanigans that were keeping the party on life support.

***

Right around the time of the convention the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I wanted to believe Hillary, who made campaign finance reform part of her platform, but I had made this pledge to Bernie and did not want to disappoint him. I kept asking the party lawyers and the DNC staff to show me the agreements that the party had made for sharing the money they raised, but there was a lot of shuffling of feet and looking the other way.

When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

I had been wondering why it was that I couldn’t write a press release without passing it by Brooklyn. Well, here was the answer.

When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.

***

I had to keep my promise to Bernie. I was in agony as I dialed him. Keeping this secret was against everything that I stood for, all that I valued as a woman and as a public servant.

“Hello, senator. I’ve completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,” I said. “But I will not kill the patient.”

I discussed the fundraising agreement that each of the candidates had signed. Bernie was familiar with it, but he and his staff ignored it. They had their own way of raising money through small donations. I described how Hillary’s campaign had taken it another step.

I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election.

Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

I urged Bernie to work as hard as he could to bring his supporters into the fold with Hillary, and to campaign with all the heart and hope he could muster. He might find some of her positions too centrist, and her coziness with the financial elites distasteful, but he knew and I knew that the alternative was a person who would put the very future of the country in peril. I knew he heard me. I knew he agreed with me, but I never in my life had felt so tiny and powerless as I did making that call.

When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to.[/quot]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hac
ks-2016-215774


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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:52 PM

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Clinton Loyalists At Foggy Bottom Are Outraged Over Tillerson Push To Fulfill FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) Requests, Here's Why...

Nearly a month ago, in an October 17th email to all State Department employees, Rex Tillerson announced his decision to ramp up FOIA processing to clear a backlog of requests. As part of the new effort, Tillerson set an ambitious—some say implausible—goal of clearing the massive backlog by the end of 2017.

Of course, while more transparency, rather than less, from government entities is generally considered a positive thing, the army of Clinton loyalists still occupying career positions at the State Department are suddenly concerned about efforts to speed the disclosure of documents from the Clinton era and say it's nothing more than a political witch hunt.

More tranparency is ALWAYS a good thing - for the public.

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From Politico:

Tillerson says his goal is transparency. But many State workers fear the real reason is political: expediting the public release of thousands of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s official emails.

"It's a remarkable misuse of resources to advance what is at its core a partisan political aim," one affected State employee said. "We all know what's going on. And, of course, we're all unhappy that we're being made a part of it."


Tillerson’s email, among other things, said the department’s FOIA backlog stretches back roughly a decade...ironically, that's about how long ago Hillary Clinton took over as Secretary of State...though we're certain that's just a coincidence.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-07/clinton-loyalists-foggy-botto
m-are-outraged-over-tillerson-push-fulfill-foia-request



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