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Paul Manafort indicted, on nothing related to Trump

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Monday, October 30, 2017 3:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Money laundering, being an unregistered foreign agent, etc

I wonder when they'll indict Hillary and the Foundation for the same thing?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 6:25 PM

WHOZIT


The libs were so giddy this weekend, now they have to go back to throwing darts at Trumps picture. I wonder if they'll try to connect Trump to Kevin Spacy next?

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Monday, October 30, 2017 7:21 PM

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The charges against Manafort and Gates mirror what many financial experts have long claimed about the Trump Organization: that they have been at pains to hide money from the IRS, including money from foreign sources; that they have engaged in conspiracies to launder foreign money; that they have made false statements and conspired to hide foreign funds. This indictment casts a shadow on Trump's own unlawful conduct in business.
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump
-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 30, 2017 7:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The charges against Manafort and Gates mirror what many financial experts have long claimed about the Trump Organization Clinton Foundation: that they have been at pains to hide money from the IRS, including money from foreign sources; that they have engaged in conspiracies to launder foreign money; that they have made false statements and conspired to hide foreign funds. This indictment casts a shadow on Trump's Hillary's own unlawful conduct in business government
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Monday, October 30, 2017 8:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The charges against Manafort and Gates mirror what many financial experts have long claimed about the Trump Organization Clinton Foundation: that they have been at pains to hide money from the IRS, including money from foreign sources; that they have engaged in conspiracies to launder foreign money; that they have made false statements and conspired to hide foreign funds. This indictment casts a shadow on Trump's Hillary's own unlawful conduct in business government.

If Jeff Sessions could indict Hillary, he would have done it already. The Attorney General has not moved to indict based upon your replacing Trump's name with Clinton's because he knows the law.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 30, 2017 8:36 PM

WISHIMAY

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If Trump didn't know about Manafort, he's an idiot...just on the reports of the guys spending.

If he did know, and didn't care...he's just as dirty.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:57 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But is it collusion with Russia?

Or don't you care about that anymore?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 7:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

But is it collusion with Russia?

Or don't you care about that anymore?

House Speaker Paul Ryan does not care.

Ryan would be happy to see Trump impeached and thrown in jail if that would make it easier to pass a giant tax cut.

And he’d be happy to see Trump fire Mueller, shred the rule of law, and finally carry out his threats to jail Hillary Clinton if that would make it easier to pass a giant tax cut.

If a handful of Senate Republicans say now that firing Mueller would lead them to hold up tax cuts, then Ryan will pressure the White House to let Mueller do his job rather than derail a giant tax cut.

But if Trump fires Mueller tomorrow, Ryan will pressure Republicans to get in line and focus on A GIANT TAX CUT.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:05 PM

THGRRI









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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:07 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


When will they indict Hilary? Soon, dear soon!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Money laundering, being an unregistered foreign agent, etc

I wonder when they'll indict Hillary and the Foundation for the same thing?


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:09 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Actually, I would pay money to see Spacey schtump Donny Baby! House of Pee Pee!

Ha! I kill me!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
The libs were so giddy this weekend, now they have to go back to throwing darts at Trumps picture. I wonder if they'll try to connect Trump to Kevin Spacy next?


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:15 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Don't bother Second, these guys have gulped the Kool-Aid and have surrendered their souls (what am I saying? Repugs don't have souls) to the Scientology church.

Even if these slimy criminals were to confess their sins and burn in hell, our gullible comrades would never believe it. Deny, Deny, Deny! Oh and deflect.....Hillary did it.


SGG



Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The charges against Manafort and Gates mirror what many financial experts have long claimed about the Trump Organization: that they have been at pains to hide money from the IRS, including money from foreign sources; that they have engaged in conspiracies to launder foreign money; that they have made false statements and conspired to hide foreign funds. This indictment casts a shadow on Trump's own unlawful conduct in business.
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump
-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:19 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


And now Mueller most likely will go to a judge (one not paid for by Trump or his Russian counterpart) and seek an order to obtain his tax returns. Oh man! This should be good.

Get out the toilet paper folks, this could get messy!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The charges against Manafort and Gates mirror what many financial experts have long claimed about the Trump Organization Clinton Foundation: that they have been at pains to hide money from the IRS, including money from foreign sources; that they have engaged in conspiracies to launder foreign money; that they have made false statements and conspired to hide foreign funds. This indictment casts a shadow on Trump's Hillary's own unlawful conduct in business government.

If Jeff Sessions could indict Hillary, he would have done it already. The Attorney General has not moved to indict based upon your replacing Trump's name with Clinton's because he knows the law.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:21 PM

BYTEMITE


One of the Podestas has been implicated.

Looks like the whole election was a Russian shell game, with them trying to illegally influence both sides.

Our system is terrible, and our politicians are all even worse.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:35 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
One of the Podestas has been implicated.

Looks like the whole election was a Russian shell game, with them trying to illegally influence both sides.

Our system is terrible, and our politicians are all even worse.



Our system is not crumbling under this Russian assault. The rule of law is winning out and protecting our democratic institutions. It is also showing those who are corrupt the consequences of their actions. Remember, this was done successfully to the Russian people long before they tried it here, where it is now falling apart and people are going to jail.

All good...

When Fox news is backed into a corner and Trump loses them it is over for him.






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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:35 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


If the Repugs could get to jail Hillary, Fire Mueller and get a YUGE Tax Cut...oh, almost forgot, kiss Putin's ring............

There would be ONE GIANT Burning Man-style super-sized orgy and the Troll Army would spasm into Alt-Right heaven from the enormous ORGASM that would bring. The Army of Darkness would slay the sacrificial lamb (Hillary) at the alter of the Great One, Putin, and declare their undying love (and their first born); and drink Hillary's blood to replenish the festering pus-filled sores deep down in their soulless carcasses.

Do you guys like it? It's the second scene/Act 1 from my new horror flick - Night of the Living Dead 2018: Live from Leningrad. Ya know, in the spirit of Halloween.

It's kind of last minute, but I'm pushing for a 2018 release date.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

But is it collusion with Russia?

Or don't you care about that anymore?

House Speaker Paul Ryan does not care.

Ryan would be happy to see Trump impeached and thrown in jail if that would make it easier to pass a giant tax cut.

And he’d be happy to see Trump fire Mueller, shred the rule of law, and finally carry out his threats to jail Hillary Clinton if that would make it easier to pass a giant tax cut.

If a handful of Senate Republicans say now that firing Mueller would lead them to hold up tax cuts, then Ryan will pressure the White House to let Mueller do his job rather than derail a giant tax cut.

But if Trump fires Mueller tomorrow, Ryan will pressure Republicans to get in line and focus on A GIANT TAX CUT.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:46 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Slime will out!

Dirty politicos come from all walks of life, and in all shapes and sizes. Dems, Repubs, Nazis....they're all the same greedy bastards. Some folk don't want to face up to facts.

Now, Hillary's day of reckoning will come (I say this to sooth our Russky allies)
the trick is to find that smoking gun that will finally put her behind bars. I recommend that Mueller, good republican that he is, start on her next....ya know, once he nails Trump's ass to the wall. Also, I think he should look into Pence.

But that's me!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
One of the Podestas has been implicated.

Looks like the whole election was a Russian shell game, with them trying to illegally influence both sides.

Our system is terrible, and our politicians are all even worse.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:53 PM

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Obvious Metaphor Network Covers Mueller's Indictments

Coverage of Robert Mueller's first indictments in the Russia probe from your favorite network for on-the-nose visual representations of the news.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:56 PM

THGRRI


Funny






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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:50 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But is it collusion with Russia?

Or don't you care about that anymore?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?


I think it's safe to say NO ONE cares anymore...that's if they ever did

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:54 PM

WHOZIT


I think it's time for all you libs to just give up, now go sit down and eat a healthy snack. The only person who can bring down Trump, is Trump.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I think it's time for all you libs to just give up, now go sit down and eat a healthy snack. The only person who can bring down Trump, is Trump.

Wrong, again, whozit. Trump's lawyers could be compelled to testify against Trump.

On Monday, Politico reported that Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia had agreed to allow Robert Mueller to use something called the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege to compel testimony from an attorney who formerly represented Paul Manafort and Manafort’s onetime employee Rick Gates. Although that development got lost in the blizzard of Robert Mueller news, Howell’s willingness to pierce attorney-client privilege, as well as her frank description of falsehoods as falsehoods, was in some sense the big news of the day. It was an astonishing win for the special counsel, one that reveals both Mueller’s willingness to use tough tactics and the ways in which the judicial branch may be willing to treat the cover-ups that emerge from the Trump probe. In a way, the decision revealed that the courts may be as tired of houses built of deception as the rest of us are.

Other than relatively common third-party waivers (which happen when the attorney-client communication occurs outside that protective bubble), exceptions to the sacred attorney-client privilege are incredibly rare. The crime-fraud exception is perhaps the rarest exception of them all. These cases are so infrequent precisely because they require uniquely awful behavior by the client and even sometimes by the client’s attorney. Rule of thumb? Behind any successful crime-fraud exception application there is almost certainly one hell of a story.

That story is at www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/why_a_j
udge_ruled_paul_manafort_isn_t_entitled_to_attorney_client_privilege.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 3:59 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


A very deep and profound statement there Who-zit.....but me, I'll wait until Mueller finishes turning over the rocks and dead leaves in the mucky swamp. So far, it's been pretty interesting.

And now, cue the Law & Order sound effect......duh, duh!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I think it's time for all you libs to just give up, now go sit down and eat a healthy snack. The only person who can bring down Trump, is Trump.


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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:13 PM

KPO

Hated Russia before it was cool.


Ukraine willing to 'provide the information we have' on Trump campaign aide, says Ukraine PM:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-manafort-investigation-1.43820
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Thanks, Ukraine.

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Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:01 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I think it's time for all you libs to just give up, now go sit down and eat a healthy snack. The only person who can bring down Trump, is Trump.



Tick tock, tick tock






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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000

"Manafort and Gates acted as unregistered agents of Ukraine"
"Manafort and Gates laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts"
"Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income"

Everything else is an elaboration on those themes.

There is no mention of 'collusion' with Russia.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

"made material false statements and material omissions"




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:41 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Correct-o-mundo.....what do we have for him Johnny!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I think it's time for all you libs to just give up, now go sit down and eat a healthy snack. The only person who can bring down Trump, is Trump.



Tick tock, tick tock







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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Collusion........is that the new Calvin Klein fragrance?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But is it collusion with Russia?

Or don't you care about that anymore?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?


I think it's safe to say NO ONE cares anymore...that's if they ever did


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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, all your previous hysteria about Russia was - what, exactly? A passing fad? A pretense? A pretext?


A lie?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:51 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You know what my sister would do whenever she bought one of her trashy novels? She would go to the last chapter, read it, then go back to the beginning of the book to read the story.

She just couldn't wait to get to the end the normal way, just too much suspense for her taste. I asked her, doesn't that spoil the ending? Just want to know how it ends, she would say.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000

"Manafort and Gates acted as unregistered agents of Ukraine"
"Manafort and Gates laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts"
"Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income"

Everything else is an elaboration on those themes.

There is no mention of 'collusion' with Russia.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:16 PM

THGRRI


Very insightful SGG. I've been amused at how kiki and SIG are already claiming victory regarding the Russian investigation. Apparently they've seen how this all ends. Or so they would like us to believe. It's funny to see the same philosophy on how to confront the Truth being used by Trump as well as our resident comrades. Yep, very funny indeed.

The problem that confronts them is that the facts won't be deterred. They just keep coming.

Tick tock, tick tock




Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know what my sister would do whenever she bought one of her trashy novels? She would go to the last chapter, read it, then go back to the beginning of the book to read the story.

She just couldn't wait to get to the end the normal way, just too much suspense for her taste. I asked her, doesn't that spoil the ending? Just want to know how it ends, she would say.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000

"Manafort and Gates acted as unregistered agents of Ukraine"
"Manafort and Gates laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts"
"Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income"

Everything else is an elaboration on those themes.

There is no mention of 'collusion' with Russia.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?






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Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:40 PM

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James Comey trolls Trump in his book’s title

The book is titled "A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership". It’s a direct reference to the now-infamous private dinner meeting between Comey and Trump at the White House in January in which the president demanded that Comey swear an oath of loyalty to him.

Comey refused, promising Trump only that “You will always get honesty from me.”

Trump fired Comey four months later, in part because of his frustration over Comey’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

www.vox.com/world/2017/11/2/16598394/james-comey-book-loyalty-trump

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Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:21 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Collusion........is that the new Calvin Klein fragrance?



that’s priceless SGG
Put Putin’s hang dog puss on the box and you’d sell a million units.

G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.

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Saturday, November 4, 2017 1:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


more stupidity from rusty who can't address facts
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know what my sister blah blah blah ..


SGG





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