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Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down

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Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:30 PM

THGRRI


First, a quote from the article, then the article.


"What we are finding out is that there is a lot of Russian influence in Washington, and a lot of money flowing in to influence our political process in Washington."


The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned. The contacts shed new light on how closely tied the firm was to Russian interests, at a time when it was financing research to discredit then-candidate Donald Trump.

The opposition research firm has faced renewed scrutiny after litigation revealed that the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign paid for that research. Congressional Republicans have since questioned whether that politically financed research contributed to the FBI’s investigation of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – making Fusion’s 2016 contacts with Russian interests all the more relevant.

The June 2016 Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya occurred during a critical period. At that time, Fox News has learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts.

But hours before the Trump Tower meeting on June 9, 2016, Fusion co-founder and ex-Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn Simpson was with Veselnitskaya in a Manhattan federal courtroom, a confidential source told Fox News. Court records reviewed by Fox News, email correspondence and published reports corroborate the pair’s presence together. The source told Fox News they also were together after the Trump Tower meeting.

"What we are finding out is that there is a lot of Russian influence in Washington, and a lot of money flowing in to influence our political process in Washington."

Simpson’s presence with Veselnitskaya during this critical week in June -- together with revelations about Fusion’s simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests -- raise new questions about the company’s role in the 2016 election.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the Trump Tower meeting as part of his probe of Russian interference in last year’s election.

Simpson and Fusion GPS were hired by BakerHostetler, which represented Russian firm Prevezon through Veselnitskaya.

Veselnitskaya has said she sought the Trump Tower meeting in order to lobby the candidate’s team against Russian sanctions, but the initial approach included an offer of compromising information on candidate Clinton.

Lawyers representing Fusion and Veselnitskaya did not respond to requests for comment lodged on Friday.

Senate Judiciary Committee investigators interviewed Simpson for more than 10 hours on Aug. 22. A spokesman for the committee had no comment on whether Simpson confirmed his contact with Veselnitskaya during the closed-door session.

The DNC and Clinton campaign hired Fusion in April 2016 through lawyer Marc Elias, who was general counsel for the Clinton campaign. Fusion, in turn, paid Steele $168,000 for the dossier, memos from which were shared with the FBI in the summer of 2016.

Fusion officials said last week Steele's money came from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from Elias' law firm Perkins Coie. Prior to contracting with the DNC, Fusion had been conducting research into Trump and other Republican candidates on behalf of the conservative website The Washington Free Beacon.

NBC News first reported that Veselnitskaya and Simpson were both at a hearing centered around another Fusion client, Russian oligarch Denis Katsyv. His company, Prevezon Holdings, was sanctioned against doing business in the U.S. for its alleged role in laundering more than $230 million. Fox News obtained audio records from that hearing in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

The wrongdoing had been uncovered by Russian lawyer and whistleblower Sergei Magnitsky, who was beaten to death in a Russian prison in 2009 after being arrested for probing Prevezon and other companies with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In December 2012, the Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act was passed into U.S. law, freezing Russian assets and banning visas for sanctioned individuals. Fusion’s Simpson is believed to have been working with Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet counter-intelligence officer turned Russian-American lobbyist, to overturn the sanctions.

Akhmetshin also attended the June 9 Trump Tower meeting, along with about a half-dozen others including Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, publicist Rob Goldstone, Natalia's Russian translator Anatoli Samochornov and Ike Kaveladze from a Russian-American real estate agency.

Mueller’s interest in Fusion is unclear, but the House Intelligence Committee, which is conducting one of several related congressional probes, recently struck a deal to gain access to Fusion’s bank records after initially issuing a subpoena. The records show that the DNC funded Fusion’s dossier effort.

Over the weekend, Fusion GPS sought a new restraining order after the House panel requested additional records that could reveal if Fusion was paying media companies or reporters for planting stories.

"What we are finding out is that there is a lot of Russian influence in Washington, and a lot of money flowing in to influence our political process in Washington," Marc Thiessen, a Washington Post columnist and former Bush administration official, said. "It's going into Hlilary Clinton. It's going to Fusion GPS. It's going into a lobbying campaign up on Capitol Hill against Magnitsky."

Meanwhile, a request from Veselnitskaya and Katsyv for a new "temporary immigration parole" to return to the U.S. for a Nov. 9 Prevezon hearing in New York was denied, according to court documents reviewed by Fox News.

A Senate Judiciary Committee spokesman told Fox News they are "encouraged" that Veselnitskaya has "signaled a willingness to cooperate" with the committee.

Catherine Herridge is an award-winning Chief Intelligence correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC) based in Washington, D.C. She covers intelligence, the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security. Herridge joined FNC in 1996 as a London-based correspondent.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/07/fusion-gps-official-met-wit
h-russian-operative-before-and-after-trump-jr-sit-down.html

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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:38 AM

SIGNYM

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Which means?

What I got out of it is that some Russian firms or individuals hired American firms to represent them in American courts, or to lobby for them in American politics. Or just doing business here.

I'll bet you'd find a lot more Israeli influence on US government, if you looked. Even Saudi. Since we are the nation with the biggest military and the highest GDP, and we also tend to throw our weight around financially in the form of sanctions, I would expect that a LOT of nations around the world approach the USA political or legal system as supplicants.

It's like you get triggered whenever someone even mentions the word "Russia". Seems to me that you really should be looking at whether America's interests are being crossed. But then, you'd need to have an idea what those might be in the first place ...



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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Which means?

What I got out of it is that some Russian firms or individuals hired American firms to represent them in American courts, or to lobby for them in American politics. Or just doing business here.

I'll bet you'd find a lot more Israeli influence on US government, if you looked. Even Saudi. Since we are the nation with the biggest military and the highest GDP, and we also tend to throw our weight around financially in the form of sanctions, I would expect that a LOT of nations around the world approach the USA political or legal system as supplicants.

It's like you get triggered whenever someone even mentions the word "Russia". Seems to me that you really should be looking at whether America's interests are being crossed. But then, you'd need to have an idea what those might be in the first place ...




SIG you keep suggesting here it's "me, my concerns," when I post about Russia. Concerns you vehemently post are baseless. I'm just posting the findings of investigations brought upon by the concerns of others. Yes, concerns I share. I'm not so caught up in myself to believe I have a say in any of this. I am only one vote.

It's the countries concerns SIG. It's our judicial system, our intelligence agencies, our media, all which who came under attack, who are investigating Russia not me. Yes SIG, I do post in defiance of our local trolls who troll on Russia's behalf. Trolls who along with Putin attack "my, all" democratic institutions here and around the world.

That would be you comrade.






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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 12:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Some are claiming that this meeting between Fusion GPS and Natalia Veselnitskaya both immediately before and after she met with Trump Jr might have been an indication of a setup. In other words, Fusion GPS and Natalia were working to entrap Trump (Jr) at the same time that Fusion was working on an anti-Trump "dossier".

If this were the case, then you could point to potentially two DIFFERENT Russian influences on the election: one pro-Trump, and one anti-Trump. If you assume that all part of a Putin scheme, it seems a little self-contradictory, right?

One possibility is that Trump's proclaimed goal to normalize relations with Russia set off two DIFFERENT responses in the Russian elite, which (like our elite) is actually divided into at least two factions: (1) "official" Kremlin authorities, and (2) pro-western anti-Putin oligarchs.

For the pro-western anti-Putin oligarchs, normalized relations with Russia (i.e. the Kremlin/ Putin/ authorities) would be the LAST thing that they want, whereas for "official" Russia normalized relations would be a boon.

According to Zerohedge

Quote:

Earlier this summer we were all led to believe that the now-infamous meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was undeniable evidence that the Trump campaign had colluded with the Russian government to effectively stage a coup by preemptively blocking Hillary from her rightful throne. But, what if it was all just a setup?

According to a report from Fox News, just hours before Natalia Veselnitskaya sat down with Trump Jr., Paul Manfort and Jared Kushner at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, she was with Fusion GPS co-founder and former Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn Simpson in a Federal Manhattan courtroom. Adding to the mystery, Fox reports that the pair were together shortly after the Trump Jr. meeting as well.

Of course, this is an intriguing new development because just a couple of months prior to these events, Fusion GPS was paid at least $1 million by Hillary's campaign and the DNC to 'prove' that Trump was working with the Russians. All of which begs the obvious question, was the whole Trump Jr. fiasco nothing more than a failed attempt at political sabotage by the Hillary campaign?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-08/sabotage-hillarys-fusion-gps-
operative-met-russian-lawyer-and-after-trump-jr-meeting


But the REAL reason why Veselnitskaya was in NYC was to defend a company- Prevezon, a Cypriot company active in NYC real estate - against a money-laundering case brought by DOJ. Her goal was the get the case dismissed, and secondarily to eliminate the Magnitsky Act. (The case was settled when Prevezon paid a fine without admitting wrongdoing.) In this instance, Veselnitskaya is widely seen as working FOR official Russia. So, if Veselnitskaya represents official Russia, why would she "entrap" her country's best hope for normalized relations?

Veselnitskaya's meeting with Trump Jr was probably nothing more than a clumsy appeal to repeal the Magnitsky Act, using "opposition research" information (which didn't exist) as the bait.

It seems to me that GPS is a gun-for-hire, like so many consulting/research firms. On the one hand, it was busy fulfilling the DNC's anti-Trump request for oppo research, and on the other hand, working with Veselnitskaya in her representation of (supposedly Kremlin-linked) Prevezon.

There are many nations with financial activities and political interests in the USA. The most obvious ones are Israel and Saudi Arabia, but China, Japan, and South Korea figure into this too. You will find representatives of everywhere - from Andorra to Zimbabwe - here in the USA. Whoever "they" are, "they're" here.


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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 12:59 PM

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Really SIG, zerohedge as your source again. Not reading that! And not going to quote it either. Instead I'll post this about the blog you keep referencing as factual news.

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Blog:a regularly updated website or web page, typically one run by an individual or small group, that is written in an informal or conversational style. A blog is whatever you want it to be.



Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the pseudonym Tyler Durden (a character from the novel and film Fight Club)






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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 1:03 PM

SIGNYM

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I just took apart one of ZeroHedge's conspiracy theories. UNLIKE YOU, I don't read my sources uncritically. Please, try to keep up.

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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 1:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I just took apart one of ZeroHedge's conspiracy theories. UNLIKE YOU, I don't read my sources uncritically. Please, try to keep up.




Unlike you, I don't source Blogs as news or blogs that restructure entire articles to misrepresent what they tried to convey. And, I certainly don't post shit from blogs that push conspiracy theories; period. Only those who troll do that, and concerning that, I am definitely up to speed.

Comrade





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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

And, I certainly don't post shit from blogs that push conspiracy theories; period.- THUGR
Well, YOU blog shit here and YOU certainly push conspiracy theories. And, where do you get YOUR conspiracy theories from? Clearly, from OTHERS who push conspiracy theories.

Hell, this whole thread here is one giant woo-woo conspiracy theory, insinuating that the Russians are here, the Russians are everywhere.
Yep, so much so that they appear to be working against each other.



Relax, Junior. EVERYONE is here.

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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:28 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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And, I certainly don't post shit from blogs that push conspiracy theories; period.- THUGR
Well, YOU blog shit here and YOU certainly push conspiracy theories. And, where do you get YOUR conspiracy theories from? Clearly, from OTHERS who push conspiracy theories.

Hell, this whole thread here is one giant woo-woo conspiracy theory, insinuating that the Russians are here, the Russians are everywhere.
Yep, so much so that they appear to be working against each other.



Relax, Junior. EVERYONE is here.



You ignore the truth in what we are discussing. Just as you do with all the other lies you post, in all the other threads. Your number one source is a blog that cuts up the news and reconstructs it to suit there purposes. A blog where the staff hides their identities.

That's it, that's your main source of information. So, nothing else to discuss here. You're a troll because that's what trolls do. Your source SIG, like you is trolling. Suggesting that is what I do is just another untruth and smear. Something else trolls do comrade.

Are you sure you're educated. Nothing SIG about you, and I mean nothing, suggests to me that's true.






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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

And, I certainly don't post shit from blogs that push conspiracy theories; period.- THUGR

Well, YOU blog shit here and YOU certainly push conspiracy theories. And, where do you get YOUR conspiracy theories from? Clearly, from OTHERS who push conspiracy theories. Hell, this whole thread here is one giant woo-woo conspiracy theory, insinuating that the Russians are here, the Russians are everywhere.
Yep, so much so that they appear to be working against each other.

Relax, Junior. EVERYONE is here. - SIGNY

You ignore the truth in what we are discussing. Just as you do with all the other lies you post, in all the other threads. Your number one source is a blog that cuts up the news and reconstructs it to suit there purposes. A blog where the staff hides their identities. That's it, that's your main source of information. - THUGR

Dood.
I ignore somewhere in the realm of 80% of whatever is on ZH. Stuff that looks interesting, I cross check with other sources, which ZH makes easy because .... as a news aggregator they provide LINKS to the original sources. Something you should try taking advantage of once in a while.

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So, nothing else to discuss here. - THUGR
You're right, there's nothing to discuss here. You posted a meaningless thread about nothing in particular. In fact, what the hell am I doing here?






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Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:24 PM

THGRRI


While the title of this thread is "Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down", I have to laugh as pissed off SIG trys in vein to justify posting from a blog, which she then presents to us as news. It's just to amazing.

Thanks SIG, you make my case for you being a troll easy. I mean, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle, you are my star witness. Why SIG, because zerohedge is a blog that aggregates actual news into bullshit, and is your number one referenced source in theses threads.

Aggregate: a material or structure formed from a loosely compacted mass of fragments or particles.

Blog:a regularly updated website or web page, typically one run by an individual or small group, that is written in an informal or conversational style. A blog is whatever you want it to be.

News comrade, is not whatever you want it to be.




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Friday, November 10, 2017 1:21 PM

THGRRI


Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in blue below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.


In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”


All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.





The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html


According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”





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Friday, November 10, 2017 2:19 PM

THGRRI


The first person to investigate the DNC hacks said Russia wouldn't do anything with the stolen emails — now he's kicking himself

He says those past hacking experiences convinced him that Russia wouldn't do anything with the information gathered from the DNC's servers. He was wrong. The stolen data was leaked to Wikileaks and founder Julian Assange, who published the emails, throwing the 2016 DNC Convention in Philadelphia, PA and the Hillary Clinton campaign into disarray


As the former head of a government cyber protection team, Johnston had plenty of experience with hacks prior to the DNC incident.

In 2015, he presided over a massive malware attack linked to the Russian government that compromised the computers of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the president's top military advisers. The attack affected around 4,000 personnel who worked for the Joint Chiefs and kicked the Pentagon's email system offline for almost two weeks.

http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-johnston-told-dnc-russia-would-n
ot-leak-emails-to-wikileaks-2017-11









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Friday, November 10, 2017 3:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR, do you really think that your so-called "unbiased" sources don't have owners and biases of their own?

WHO OWNS NEW YORK TIMES?
The largest single stock holder is Carlos "Slim" Helu, the Mexican telecom multi-billionaire. I'm sure he has the USA's interests at heart.

WHO OWNS FOX and the WSJ?
Rupert Murdoch, Australian-born British citizen. Like HE cares about the USA!

WHO OWNS THE WASHINGTON POST?
Jeff Bezos, founder of Amazon, a transnational corporation. HIS primary interests are expanding his business internationally, and international copyright protections for content.

WHO OWNS COMCAST? (And, what does COMCAST own?)
COMCAST is the world's largest media provider (by revenue). Not only is it a broadband provider, it owns NBC, MSNBC, Telemundo, TWC, and Universal (and entertainment parks in the USA, Japan, China and elsewhere.) It has been criticized for as having monopolies in a large number of markets, not honoring net neutrality, poor customer satisfaction etc.


*****

I only pass on the credible, fact-based ZH articles that I've vetted thru other sources. I simply link to ZH because - as an aggregator- it tends to have multiple links in one post, as opposed to me linking each source independently. Would it be any different to you if I posted the same information, but linked the original source instead of ZH? If that's the case, then you're an incredibly ignorant news consumer, because I assume that you can vet the information yourself, if you're given a link.

No, your REAL beef isn't with whether or not the articles that I link are factual, or backed by evidence, or are reported by "credible" sources. Your REAL beef with what I post is the SELECTION of articles. Basically, you simply don't like the content because it isn't the MSM.

Dood, you can get mainstream mush anywhere. I know that I do: I listen to NPR when I'm cooking, an 'all news" channel when I'm driving, and I check in with Reuters and the BBC every day. What I post is fact-based. But it is NOT in the mainstream. Still, it's real news, and sometimes its IMPORTANT news .... news that the government and the compliant media may not want you to know.

So if you want to shut your eyes and plug your ears to the broad spectrum of news out there, be my guest, but don't expect me to limit myself because of you.



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Friday, November 10, 2017 5:46 PM

THGRRI


Opps, I think SIG is upset. Sorry SIG but there is no way you can discredit the mainstream news as being anything like a pro Russian blog. It says a lot about your critical thinking skills. Or should I say, lack there of, that you would think that pig would fly.







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Friday, November 10, 2017 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
no link and important parts edited out

see below
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According to Zero Hedge, Lokey “approached us over a year ago begging for a job after he was fired with cause from Seeking Alpha following a fight with a coworker.”

“Unfortunately, Colin was also revealed to be an emotionally unstable, psychologically troubled alcoholic with a drug dealer past, as per his own disclosures,” Zero Hedge adds.

The article goes on to claim these issues were the true cause of Lokey’s departure and were not mentioned in the Bloomberg piece at all.

Zero Hedge included a number of message captures allegedly from Lokey that detail his issues with alcohol impacting his work, including the one below.

Credit: Zero Hedge

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

Eh comrade troll ?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Friday, November 10, 2017 7:24 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
no link and important parts edited out

see below
Quote:

According to Zero Hedge, Lokey “approached us over a year ago begging for a job after he was fired with cause from Seeking Alpha following a fight with a coworker.”

“Unfortunately, Colin was also revealed to be an emotionally unstable, psychologically troubled alcoholic with a drug dealer past, as per his own disclosures,” Zero Hedge adds.

The article goes on to claim these issues were the true cause of Lokey’s departure and were not mentioned in the Bloomberg piece at all.

Zero Hedge included a number of message captures allegedly from Lokey that detail his issues with alcohol impacting his work, including the one below.

Credit: Zero Hedge

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

Eh comrade troll ?



Again, that's to funny. All you did was post what zero hedge was spinning while doing damage control. I chose to leave that out. You can't win with this kiki. The facta are in and you lose.







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Friday, November 10, 2017 7:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I chose to leave that out. You can't win with this kiki. The facta [sic] are in ...
Except of course the ones you chose to leave out.

I read this a long time ago, THUGR. There were accusations and counter-accusations, and I looked into both sides independently, and it looked to me like ZH was a high-pressure job ... a lot of work output ... and the guy that quit was just too drunk and unstable, constantly missing deadlines. But, whatever. It's not important.

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Monday, November 13, 2017 12:17 PM

THGRRI



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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I chose to leave that out. You can't win with this kiki. The facta [sic] are in ...
Except of course the ones you chose to leave out.

I read this a long time ago, THUGR. There were accusations and counter-accusations, and I looked into both sides independently, and it looked to me like ZH was a high-pressure job ... a lot of work output ... and the guy that quit was just too drunk and unstable, constantly missing deadlines. But, whatever. It's not important.



Common sig please develop a brain. kiki should try and up her game as well. I posted a quote from an article and left a link. That's how it's done. I realize at times sig you'll post pages of shit but that's not my style.

As for zero hedge's denials of what one of their creators was claiming, I found it lacking. I believed him when he said that zero hedge was a bunch of Russian sympathizers. And I understand why you and kiki, a couple of Russian trolls would wish to dispute that.

Dispute away sig. It doesn't change the fact that a creator of zero hedge admitted it.





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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:59 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


ZH...Fake...Fake...fake-fake!

And the hits just keep on coming!

Tyler Durden is turning over in his.......? Does a fake character have a grave to turn over in!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in blue below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.


In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.





The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html


According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”






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Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:37 AM

THGRRI


Amazing isn't it. JSF is on the record as loving sig's zero hedge posts, and kiki denies there's anything wrong with using a Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.” source.

Trolls SGG, nothing but trolls.




Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
ZH...Fake...Fake...fake-fake!

And the hits just keep on coming!

Tyler Durden is turning over in his.......? Does a fake character have a grave to turn over in!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in blue below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.


In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.





The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html


According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”










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