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Where are the democrats? Waiting for the Deep State to get rid of Trump?

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:57 PM

1KIKI

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I keep looking for the party to rise up and become a real opposition party. Where'd it go?


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Monday, December 4, 2017 6:39 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I keep looking for the party to rise up and become a real opposition party. Where'd it go?




Pity bump for Kiki!

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Monday, December 4, 2017 7:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I keep looking for the party to rise up and become a real opposition party. Where'd it go?



Yes, the DNC is waiting for the deep state to get rid of Trump. Assuming that they DO get rid of him, they'll be back at their globalization agenda: more trade agreements, more immigration, more war.

Yep, that'll fix things!

[/snicker]


And I see GSTRING, their useful idiot, is thumping that agenda.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 7:54 AM

SECOND

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I keep looking for the party to rise up and become a real opposition party. Where'd it go?



Yes, the DNC is waiting for the deep state to get rid of Trump. Assuming that they DO get rid of him, they'll be back at their globalization agenda: more trade agreements, more immigration, more war.

Yep, that'll fix things!

[/snicker]


And I see GSTRING, their useful idiot, is thumping that agenda.

Trump will leave when 67 Senators vote him out. Since there are 52 GOP Senators, that won't happen. You can see how those 52 GOP Senators can work their will on the President and the country with their tax bill, which passed at 2 AM this past Saturday. It wasn't the Deep State that voted, 1kiki and Signym. Texas Senator John Cornyn said, “This is not a bill that is designed primarily to benefit the wealthy and the large businesses”; that was a lie. Senator Bob Corker said he wouldn’t support a plan “adding one penny to the deficit”; that was a lie. John McCain — who has delivered sanctimonious lectures on the importance of “regular order” in the Senate — declared his support for the GOP tax bill rushed to the floor without holding any hearings or soliciting expert testimony (and tax policy is an area where you really, really need to hear from experts, lawyers and accountants even more than economists). This whole process involves a level of bad faith we haven’t seen in U.S. politics since the days when defenders of slavery physically assaulted their political foes on the Senate floor.

As long as 52 GOP Senators protect him because he will sign their laws, Trump is safe from the Democrats and the imaginary "Deep State".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:01 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND: Another neocon-in-liberal-drag.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


There would be a lot of unhappy people if Trump was "voted out" by congress. I doubt that even if Democrats had a majority that would happen, and I'm sure it would not be nearly as simple as you make it sound if the ball were to begin rolling on that. If it was, this would not be the first time in my life that it would be attempted. Bill Clinton's impeachment doesn't count, unless as an example of how it's not as simple as you make it sound since he finished his term even after being impeached and lying under oath.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:21 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: Another neocon-in-liberal-drag, pretending that there's no deep state.

Your imaginary "Deep State" (with an agenda that is less solid than a cloth bag filled with air) is completely powerless against the will of 52 very real GOP Senators with their heavy-weight agenda. So long as those GOP Senators want Trump, Trump stays in power.

“People will just believe you. You just tell them and they believe you.” -- Donald J Trump.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/quote-of-the-day-you-just-tell-
them-and-they-believe-you
/

Without confirming data, I am the 1% that never believes Trump, Signym, 1kiki and Republicans, either voters or GOP politicians. That cynical rule of thumb has always worked very profitably for me. It is a rule that never fails to be a quick and easy way to handle a great volume of false claims.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You gotta love how the "elite" like Second get the best of both worlds. They can virtue signal all day and complain about the way things are, but then never fail to rub everyone's nose in the fact that they're rich beyond belief at every opportunity. Wow... The 1% are just so much better than the rest of us, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:53 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And I see GSTRING, their useful idiot, is thumping that agenda.



Hey I was thumping your useful idiot's post! Get something right, k?

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Monday, December 4, 2017 3:17 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Kiki gearing up for "reluctantly" voting Republican in 2018.

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Nope. I voted against Hillary and will continue to vote against neo-cons. But thanks for lying. As usual.
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Kiki gearing up for "reluctantly" voting Republican in 2018.

Hey, not hearing much about Syria lately. How'd that work out for you?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Without confirming data, I am the 1% that never believes
Well, there's your problem right there. You "believe/disbelieve" things, and you have no data. That's quite a mental aberration you there, SECOND.

But, where ARE the Democrats?

Yanno, if they came forward with an agenda ... something that involves NOT stabbing ordinary Americans in the back and does NOT involve globalism .... I'd be happy to vote for them again.

What do you think, SECOND? Are Dems going to start representing those average Americans that you (and they) claim to care so much about? OR are they going to continue flogging fake issues, jonesing for war, and collecting up beaucoups bucks and lining their pockets with their foreign and neocon donations?


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Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:50 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


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kiki: Nope. I voted against Hillary

Lol, I don't think that surprises anyone here. I always guessed you went for Jill Stein. But come 2018 I don't think you'll be taking any chances; I think you'll be GOP all the way. At least, I'll be disappointed if you're not.

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Hey, not hearing much about Syria lately. How'd that work out for you?

Like this:

'Facing disaster': children starve in siege of Syria's former breadbasket
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/24/syria-eastern-ghouta-sie
ge-talks?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Besieged Syrians eating trash, fainting from hunger: U.N. survey
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-hunger/besiege
d-syrians-eating-trash-fainting-from-hunger-u-n-survey-idUSKBN1DM2IP


Your hero Assad has taken a break from gassing men, women and children and is now simply starving them, entire towns at a time. So are you going to do a victory dance about this, or what?

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by kpo:
'Facing disaster': children starve in siege of Syria's former breadbasket
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/24/syria-eastern-ghouta-sie
ge-talks?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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On Thursday, the main Syrian opposition group, meeting in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, said it continued to reject any role for Assad at the start of a UN-sponsored interim period leading to a political transition.
Because the US would rather see people starve than stop supporting the 'rebels' (ISIS). The US has decided that an elected government needs to be deposed. "Assad must go" at all costs.
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Your hero Assad
THANKS! for proving yourself to be a troll! AGAIN.

But to state this clearly, and highlight it unmistakably, so I can quote it later on when you me troll again with the same lie -
I don't care about Assad one way or the other. He is neither my hero, nor my enemy.

He's the legitimately elected head of government the US decided to depose.

And he's on the list of many heads of state the US deposed: Hussein, Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Zelaya, and Préval, leaving those countries with thousands dead, and hundreds of thousands refugees, in clusterfucks of extremism and corruption.

I reject the notion the US had any legitimate self-defense or other legitimate interest in those coups, soft or otherwise. I reject the notion that the US has some 'right' to involve itself in other country's internal affairs. And I hold the US to blame for the death, destruction, violence, and poverty we caused by our actions.

And THANKS for the opportunity to state my position. You can be sure I'll hang it around your neck when you troll me again.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:53 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


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But to state this clearly

Actions speak louder than words, kiki. If you want to be seen as something other than an Assad apologist and fangirl, why don't you stop cheerleading and PR campaigning for him? For example, you say, "I don't care about him", but then in your very next line you call him the "legitimately elected head of government" of Syria. This is a mass murdering, mass torturing, war criminal dictator (part of a dynasty that has run the country for decades) who violently suppressed a peaceful uprising to unseat him. He's "legitimately elected" according to his own propaganda, and Russian propaganda - and no one else. Exercise some critical thinking before you regurgitate his propaganda here.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Actions speak louder than words, KRAPPO. If you want to be seen as something other than a n Assad apologist liar and fangirl troll, why don't you stop? For example
why don't you post links to back up your claims about Assad? Was he not elected? "... an international delegation from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela.[23] [24] [25] issued a statement claiming the election was "free, fair and transparent" And Assad is STILL recognized as the leader of Syria by the UN. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-un-re
solution-leaves-president-bashar-al-assads-future-unclear-a6780121.html


MEANWHILE, to state this clearly, and highlight it unmistakably, so I can quote it later on when you me troll again with the same lie -
I don't care about Assad one way or the other. He is neither my hero, nor my enemy.

He's the legitimately elected head of government the US decided to depose.

And he's on the list of many heads of state the US deposed: Hussein, Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Zelaya, and Préval, leaving those countries with thousands dead, and hundreds of thousands refugees, in clusterfucks of extremism and corruption.

I reject the notion the US had any legitimate self-defense or other legitimate interest in those coups, soft or otherwise. I reject the notion that the US has some 'right' to involve itself in other country's internal affairs. And I hold the US to blame for the death, destruction, violence, and poverty we caused by our actions.
(formatted so that you can't say you somehow 'missed' this part of my post.)

And THANKS for the opportunity to state my position. You can be sure I'll hang it around your neck when you troll me again.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 11:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I don't care about Assad one way or the other. He is neither my hero, nor my enemy.

He's the legitimately elected head of government the US decided to depose.

And he's on the list of many heads of state the US deposed: Hussein, Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Zelaya, and Préval, leaving those countries with thousands dead, and hundreds of thousands refugees, in clusterfucks of extremism and corruption.

I reject the notion the US had any legitimate self-defense or other legitimate interest in those coups, soft or otherwise. I reject the notion that the US has some 'right' to involve itself in other country's internal affairs. And I hold the US to blame for the death, destruction, violence, and poverty we caused by our actions.



This is a stance I agree with 100%, and have ever since I got involved at all with politics. It holds just as true with me today as it did when I was slamming GWB all those years ago.

The funny thing is, the Left no longer had my back and seemed to have no problem when it continued unabated for 8 years under the Obama administration. So lost in the marvelous hope and wonderful change we were all a part of.


Somewhere in the last 8 years the sides were switched, and hardly anybody even noticed where the new lines were drawn.




I don't agree with Kiki on a lot of things, but at least she's one of the few who remain consistent and don't immediately flip-flop on a position because their "side" is doing it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 11, 2017 12:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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If you want to be seen as something other than an Assad apologist and fangirl, why don't you stop cheerleading and PR campaigning for him? For example, you say, "I don't care about him", but then in your very next line you call him the "legitimately elected head of government" of Syria.
Since when is stating a universally-recognized FACT "cheerleading"??

Only in KRAPO's twisted world!

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Monday, December 11, 2017 12:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I don't care about Assad one way or the other. He is neither my hero, nor my enemy.

He's the legitimately elected head of government the US decided to depose.

And he's on the list of many heads of state the US deposed: Hussein, Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Zelaya, and Préval, leaving those countries with thousands dead, and hundreds of thousands refugees, in clusterfucks of extremism and corruption.

I reject the notion the US had any legitimate self-defense or other legitimate interest in those coups, soft or otherwise. I reject the notion that the US has some 'right' to involve itself in other country's internal affairs. And I hold the US to blame for the death, destruction, violence, and poverty we caused by our actions.- KIKI

This is a stance I agree with 100%, and have ever since I got involved at all with politics. It holds just as true with me today as it did when I was slamming GWB all those years ago.

The funny thing is, the Left no longer had my back and seemed to have no problem when it continued unabated for 8 years under the Obama administration. So lost in the marvelous hope and wonderful change we were all a part of.

Somewhere in the last 8 years the sides were switched brains were washed, and hardly anybody even noticed where the new lines were drawn.

I don't agree with Kiki on a lot of things, but at least she's one of the few who remain consistent and don't immediately flip-flop on a position because their "side" is doing it.

Amen, amen, and amen!

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Monday, December 11, 2017 2:07 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... an international delegation from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela.[23] [24] [25] issued a statement claiming the election was "free, fair and transparent" And Assad is STILL recognized as the leader of Syria by the UN. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-un-re
solution-leaves-president-bashar-al-assads-future-unclear-a6780121.html



Lol, classic kiki, posting a false link to back up her claim. Your quote is actually from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

The preceding sentence: "Attempts to hold an election under the circumstances of an ongoing civil war were criticized by UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon,[21] and it was widely reported that the elections lacked independent election monitoring. [22]"

From the Washington Post article cited by YOUR Wiki article:

"There are no serious opposition contenders or independent monitors, and voting did not take place in the many war-ravaged parts of the country that are under rebel control."

This is the "legitimate" election you were talking about?

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an international delegation from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela.

"Democracy" observers from Iran, Venezuela and Russia?? Come on, kiki! Critical thinking!
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And THANKS for the opportunity to state my position.


Blah blah blah, America is the great Satan. Who cares? Why should anyone listen to you when you're an apologist for a dictator who starves children?

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